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Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on December 29, 2003, 05:43 PM:
Now that we are headed into the coyote mating season and many coyotes tend to shy away (or run away) from the distressed rabbit call, have any of you tried using the coyote in heat call this time of year?? Have you read about it, lately?
This is my second year for it and it works very nicely. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Bob
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on December 29, 2003, 05:44 PM:
Please forgive me for not being on for a while.
Bob
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on December 30, 2003, 05:05 AM:
Hi Bob, welcome back.
Female in heat call? Is this the sound that Randy Anderson filmed along with the solicitation behavior? I'm very interested. Would you describe the sound you use and the manner in which you use it?
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on December 30, 2003, 05:58 AM:
Hey Bob; Like Rich, I am very interested in this sound... how it is made, how it is used...
Thanks for the update...
Posted by Norm (Member # 240) on December 30, 2003, 10:09 AM:
I was searching through my collection of tapes. I found one of these coyotes in heat tapes... I will have to try it in the caller tomorrow...
I am hessitant to give up on the rabbit though... it has called in 20 coyotes in the last two days I have been out calling... bringing them home is a different topic...
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on December 30, 2003, 11:29 AM:
Hi Rich and Norm
Yes, it is the female in heat and I got the idea from Randy Andersons's Calling all Coyotes. I immitate that female by making a series of high pitched yips and distress type vocalizations. I start with a Domain Howl (Bill Austin) I make these calls with Dan Thompson's rabbit call which is a modern Weems call.
Bob
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 30, 2003, 03:33 PM:
Hey, I can't vouch for this, but I plucked this from another board. What do you think?
quote:
your open reed call or howler and put it at a 45 degree angle in your mouth.Use your teeth and bite down on the reed and blow quickly into the call.Make your blows in pipes unlike when you call with wahs.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on December 30, 2003, 04:31 PM:
I was using this technique the other day in a high pressure area where coyotes seldom come to anything. After 10 min of calling effort, the local educated coyotes answered with enthusiasm. In 5 minutes they came charging in but 300yards down wind. I paniced and tried the rabbit distress to straighten them out. They took off straight away as if being shot at, before they could get my wind. (Should have been using the misting technique on that stand)
Bob
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on December 30, 2003, 04:38 PM:
Leonard,
I have tried with the open reed but cannot make the yips sharp, rapid and distinct enough, like I can with the closed metal reed. It would probably still work, though.
Bob
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on December 31, 2003, 05:15 AM:
Bill Austin taught me this call more than 25 years ago. I made it on his open reed call and it is very easy to make on a Critter Call as well. Today, I just press the play button on my WT. It is a good calling sound to use when they are beginning to pair up.
FWIW
Steve
Posted by bearmanric (Member # 223) on December 31, 2003, 06:07 AM:
coyote_250 I have the burnham Brothers cc#103 Female coyote in Estrus Tape. they say they can't resist this sound during mating season.going to Eastern wash this weekend for coyotes. going to do alot of Howling. going to have to listen to that tape. Good Luck. Rick
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on December 31, 2003, 04:17 PM:
Rick,
Good luck hunting!! I was raised in Rosalia, at least until I was 10.
Steve,
Bill Austin termed a call the Female Invitation but it sounds nothing like the one that I use as a female in heat call.
Bob
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on January 01, 2004, 12:57 PM:
250,
You are correct,the Female Invitation Howl is nothing like the in Heat vocalization. They are two very distinctly different vocalizations. They also are used at different times of the year too!
FWIW
Steve
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on January 03, 2004, 08:10 AM:
Steve,
I have never been able to attribute much success to the female invitation call. Never really understood it much. I listened to Bill Austin's tapes about 12 years ago. Does he have instruction for the female in heat as well? Can you share what you know about it? When I was using his open reed howler, I had very good response to that higher pitched howl.
Bob
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on January 03, 2004, 08:16 AM:
Steve,
You say you had personal instruction from Bill Austin?
I did not get to meet Bill, but I was invited to his mentor's house and watched some videos of Vern Dorn and his coyote dogs. I have been hunting with my dogs ever since. Vern was a nice man.
Bob
Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on January 04, 2004, 06:07 AM:
Bob,
Yes I took personal instruction from Bill. 1975 I think. May have been 76.
I start all my stands with the female howl. I use the matting or some call it the in heat howl right about this time of year. You dont need any other sound in the month of Jan. Because it is such a long drawn out and continuous vocalization, I prefer a Critter Call or some other easy to blow call. Lets face it, Bill's call was/is very had to blow and takes alot of air. I still have one of his original prototypes with the really thick reed.
Vern was a great caller and probably should be nominated to the Predator Callers Hall of Fame. I know of no other man who has killed more coyotes than Vern.
Steve
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on January 04, 2004, 08:57 AM:
I also find on the Austin calls that the reed locks are not real good. Those rubber bands just don't hold them in place. They take constant adjustment.If I ever find some .020 or .022 bulk reed material I'm going to adapt one with a reed block similiar to the the critr' calls. Probaly use cork sheet or bulk gasket rubber for the block.
Dennis
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on January 09, 2004, 06:50 PM:
Last stand of the day I notice tire tracks going into my hunny hole. I park anyway and find where the vehicle parked and foot prints heading to the knob that I have called from before. I find where the person kicked out the snow and sat down to make a stand
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on January 09, 2004, 06:55 PM:
Figuring that that person used a rabbit distress, I started with a domain howl. Soon I heard a reply 800 yards straight upwind. I go to female in heat yips and challenge howls. Coyote is getting excited and finally starts his way over. Growling helps keep coyote on task until he is less than 100 yards. Felt good, first 2004 coyote. On the way back I could see where that same person had been there about 4 or 5 days earlier by some older tracks but made the same exact pattern.
Bob ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on January 09, 2004, 10:24 PM:
What do you make your growl with?
Krusty 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 10, 2004, 10:03 AM:
Krusty, a growl is a growl. You can emit a passable growl with your vocal cords, it doesn't even need to be authentic. Predators, and most of our fellow carnivores recognize the sound and the intent. It gets their attention.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on January 10, 2004, 11:56 AM:
Thanks Leonard, I figured as much. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
The reason I asked is there is pretty much only two sounds made by canines I have never been able to recreate with a mouth/hand call..
A realistic growl, and the "whistle whine".
Krusty
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on January 10, 2004, 06:22 PM:
Krusty,
Leonard is correct. I use my vocal cords and that does the trick most the time. I picked that up from a video of coyotes on the Discovery channel (if remembering correctly) Three coyotes had managed to take a sucker from an otter on the ice and once they got it they were fighting and growling over it.
Try a growl on the next coyote that hangs up on you.
Bob
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on January 10, 2004, 08:04 PM:
quote:
Try a growl on the next coyote that hangs up on you
...you obviously don't know who you're dealing with LOL! ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
I can't try that on the next coyote that hangs up, I am still waiting for the first coyote ever to show up, hung up or not.
I make calls (ironic I know ) so I was just wondering if there was a call I didn't know about, I might be able to learn a new sound (or a new type of call) from.
I have pretty much thrown in the towel on coyote hunting, but that is good advice, I'll pass it along to others when I can.
Krusty
Posted by CrazyCooydog (Member # 265) on January 11, 2004, 08:25 AM:
Coyote_250
I would be very interested to hear your version of a female in heat and domain howl.
Would it be asking to much for a sample of these sounds.
Thanks.
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on January 11, 2004, 05:11 PM:
Crazycooydog,
It would not be too much to ask for a sample of these sounds, however I believe there is too much emphasis on reproducing the exact sound rather than knowing when and what to use. I could e-mail the sounds to you and actually you could record them and use them in the field. You would be better off just howling yourself. I learned from Bill Austins instruction on Coyote vocalizations. There have been many instructions made since. There are several others on here that know howling better than I. Rich and Leonard are two of them. Get Calling all Coyotes 2 and listen to that female coyote. She will teach you better than I.
Also there is too much emphasis on what call to use. The cheapest and best call in my opinion is yourself. I use only one hand call and my voice. I immitate female invitation, female in heat, coyote distress, rabbit distress (you choose which one...cotton tail, jackrabbit, or snowshow...it doesnt matter), magpie feeding frenzy...all with one call. I immitate domain howl, coyote distress, growl, yips, roughs (to stop them), raven/crow, deer/antelope/elk distress all with my voice. The other day I immitated a slobering feeding frenzy and my partner was laughing so hard that he missed the coyote. One day over 10 years ago after 30 minutes of rabbit distress and no coyote, I reached over and grabbed the barbed wire fence and immitated a deer caught in the fence. My partner was grinning and busting gut over there but suddenly he got all quiet and PPPPPsssst! Pointed to a coyote coming hard about 1/4 mile out. I missed that coyote at 100 yards.
Krusty, don't give up, you're missing out.
Bob
Posted by Coyote_250 (Member # 137) on January 11, 2004, 05:17 PM:
They don't always come to the call. If they do I don't always see them. Yesterday I sat on stand for 90 minutes! A personal record for length of time on stand. I saw 4 coyotes and heard two other groups. Sometimes they just don't come in. One pair got up to return howls then layed back down to go back to sleep. Another pair kept on mousing the entire time. Both pairs were over a mile out. This behavior is quite typical in January after a moonlit night.
Bob
Posted by CrazyCooydog (Member # 265) on January 11, 2004, 07:08 PM:
Coyote_250
My e-mail is cooydog@yahoo.com
I am interested in your version of the female invitation, female heat, domain howl,and coyote distress
As for recording them,I will not. I don't use electronics anymore,only mouth calls.(Crit'r-Get'r and Songdog)
I would just like to hear them,and possibly learn how to make simular sounds if I feel they have a place in my bag of tricks.
I agree with ya on the "witch call is the best" thing. I have learned it's not only the call but the situation ya use it,and setting it is used in.
Not sure where I heard it but someone once said "It's not the call, it's the caller".
I have sat at a stand for 2-3 hours.The first 30-40 mins trying to get something to come,and the rest of the time just watching and trying to learn why the are not comming. I have found that if ya stay long enough(sometimes 1.5-2.5 hours) something will have to come a have a look. I have offten wondered if they have fogoten about all the racket I was making.But I don't thing they forget it, they just come when "THEY" want.
Posted by Barndog (Member # 255) on January 12, 2004, 05:16 PM:
250
Thanks for sharing your wisdom. You are right about when they come in. I sometimes hunt rabbits and try to imatate their calls. Once I shot a rabbit and listened for about 30 seconds, then imatated the call the very next day on a small cliff edge, about 4 minutes into the stand a cougar jumped up on the ledge and looked me and another guy face to face. All of us were shocked, I don't know how long we sat and stared at each other, it seemed like eternity for me, but I'm sure it was less than a second, the next thing I remember is that cat running across the valley at mach 3. I've tried using that same rabbit squak with the same call for two years after that and nothing, just two weeks ago I tried it again and had a coyote show up in under a minute.
Posted by wyoboy00 (Member # 99) on January 20, 2004, 11:36 AM:
coyote_250
I myself would greatly appreciate it if you could e-mail me the sounds you are talking about. I use a mouth call, for all my stands but, I would love to get a better understanding of the coyote frenzy, coyote in heat, mating call, or just some of the coyote vocals that are out there. My e-mail is meyerfamily@fgn.net. I would appreciate the info.
Thanks
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