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Topic: Coyote in heat!!!
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Coyote_250
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posted December 29, 2003 05:43 PM
Now that we are headed into the coyote mating season and many coyotes tend to shy away (or run away) from the distressed rabbit call, have any of you tried using the coyote in heat call this time of year?? Have you read about it, lately?
This is my second year for it and it works very nicely. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Bob
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Coyote_250
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posted December 29, 2003 05:44 PM
Please forgive me for not being on for a while.
Bob
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Rich Higgins
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posted December 30, 2003 05:05 AM
Hi Bob, welcome back.
Female in heat call? Is this the sound that Randy Anderson filmed along with the solicitation behavior? I'm very interested. Would you describe the sound you use and the manner in which you use it?
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Norm
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posted December 30, 2003 05:58 AM
Hey Bob; Like Rich, I am very interested in this sound... how it is made, how it is used...
Thanks for the update...
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Norm
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posted December 30, 2003 10:09 AM
I was searching through my collection of tapes. I found one of these coyotes in heat tapes... I will have to try it in the caller tomorrow...
I am hessitant to give up on the rabbit though... it has called in 20 coyotes in the last two days I have been out calling... bringing them home is a different topic...
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Coyote_250
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posted December 30, 2003 11:29 AM
Hi Rich and Norm
Yes, it is the female in heat and I got the idea from Randy Andersons's Calling all Coyotes. I immitate that female by making a series of high pitched yips and distress type vocalizations. I start with a Domain Howl (Bill Austin) I make these calls with Dan Thompson's rabbit call which is a modern Weems call.
Bob
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Leonard
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posted December 30, 2003 03:33 PM
Hey, I can't vouch for this, but I plucked this from another board. What do you think?
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your open reed call or howler and put it at a 45 degree angle in your mouth.Use your teeth and bite down on the reed and blow quickly into the call.Make your blows in pipes unlike when you call with wahs.
Good hunting. LB
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Coyote_250
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posted December 30, 2003 04:31 PM
I was using this technique the other day in a high pressure area where coyotes seldom come to anything. After 10 min of calling effort, the local educated coyotes answered with enthusiasm. In 5 minutes they came charging in but 300yards down wind. I paniced and tried the rabbit distress to straighten them out. They took off straight away as if being shot at, before they could get my wind. (Should have been using the misting technique on that stand)
Bob
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Coyote_250
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posted December 30, 2003 04:38 PM
Leonard,
I have tried with the open reed but cannot make the yips sharp, rapid and distinct enough, like I can with the closed metal reed. It would probably still work, though.
Bob
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Steve Craig
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posted December 31, 2003 05:15 AM
Bill Austin taught me this call more than 25 years ago. I made it on his open reed call and it is very easy to make on a Critter Call as well. Today, I just press the play button on my WT. It is a good calling sound to use when they are beginning to pair up.
FWIW
Steve
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bearmanric
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posted December 31, 2003 06:07 AM
coyote_250 I have the burnham Brothers cc#103 Female coyote in Estrus Tape. they say they can't resist this sound during mating season.going to Eastern wash this weekend for coyotes. going to do alot of Howling. going to have to listen to that tape. Good Luck. Rick
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Coyote_250
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posted December 31, 2003 04:17 PM
Rick,
Good luck hunting!! I was raised in Rosalia, at least until I was 10.
Steve,
Bill Austin termed a call the Female Invitation but it sounds nothing like the one that I use as a female in heat call.
Bob
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Steve Craig
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posted January 01, 2004 12:57 PM
250,
You are correct,the Female Invitation Howl is nothing like the in Heat vocalization. They are two very distinctly different vocalizations. They also are used at different times of the year too!
FWIW
Steve
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Coyote_250
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posted January 03, 2004 08:10 AM
Steve,
I have never been able to attribute much success to the female invitation call. Never really understood it much. I listened to Bill Austin's tapes about 12 years ago. Does he have instruction for the female in heat as well? Can you share what you know about it? When I was using his open reed howler, I had very good response to that higher pitched howl.
Bob
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Coyote_250
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posted January 03, 2004 08:16 AM
Steve,
You say you had personal instruction from Bill Austin?
I did not get to meet Bill, but I was invited to his mentor's house and watched some videos of Vern Dorn and his coyote dogs. I have been hunting with my dogs ever since. Vern was a nice man.
Bob
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Steve Craig
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posted January 04, 2004 06:07 AM
Bob,
Yes I took personal instruction from Bill. 1975 I think. May have been 76.
I start all my stands with the female howl. I use the matting or some call it the in heat howl right about this time of year. You dont need any other sound in the month of Jan. Because it is such a long drawn out and continuous vocalization, I prefer a Critter Call or some other easy to blow call. Lets face it, Bill's call was/is very had to blow and takes alot of air. I still have one of his original prototypes with the really thick reed.
Vern was a great caller and probably should be nominated to the Predator Callers Hall of Fame. I know of no other man who has killed more coyotes than Vern.
Steve
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Greenside
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posted January 04, 2004 08:57 AM
I also find on the Austin calls that the reed locks are not real good. Those rubber bands just don't hold them in place. They take constant adjustment.If I ever find some .020 or .022 bulk reed material I'm going to adapt one with a reed block similiar to the the critr' calls. Probaly use cork sheet or bulk gasket rubber for the block.
Dennis
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Coyote_250
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posted January 09, 2004 06:50 PM
Last stand of the day I notice tire tracks going into my hunny hole. I park anyway and find where the vehicle parked and foot prints heading to the knob that I have called from before. I find where the person kicked out the snow and sat down to make a stand
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Coyote_250
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posted January 09, 2004 06:55 PM
Figuring that that person used a rabbit distress, I started with a domain howl. Soon I heard a reply 800 yards straight upwind. I go to female in heat yips and challenge howls. Coyote is getting excited and finally starts his way over. Growling helps keep coyote on task until he is less than 100 yards. Felt good, first 2004 coyote. On the way back I could see where that same person had been there about 4 or 5 days earlier by some older tracks but made the same exact pattern.
Bob ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Krustyklimber
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posted January 09, 2004 10:24 PM
What do you make your growl with?
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Leonard
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posted January 10, 2004 10:03 AM
Krusty, a growl is a growl. You can emit a passable growl with your vocal cords, it doesn't even need to be authentic. Predators, and most of our fellow carnivores recognize the sound and the intent. It gets their attention.
Good hunting. LB
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Krustyklimber
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posted January 10, 2004 11:56 AM
Thanks Leonard, I figured as much. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
The reason I asked is there is pretty much only two sounds made by canines I have never been able to recreate with a mouth/hand call..
A realistic growl, and the "whistle whine".
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Coyote_250
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posted January 10, 2004 06:22 PM
Krusty,
Leonard is correct. I use my vocal cords and that does the trick most the time. I picked that up from a video of coyotes on the Discovery channel (if remembering correctly) Three coyotes had managed to take a sucker from an otter on the ice and once they got it they were fighting and growling over it.
Try a growl on the next coyote that hangs up on you.
Bob
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Krustyklimber
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posted January 10, 2004 08:04 PM
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Try a growl on the next coyote that hangs up on you
...you obviously don't know who you're dealing with LOL! ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
I can't try that on the next coyote that hangs up, I am still waiting for the first coyote ever to show up, hung up or not.
I make calls (ironic I know ) so I was just wondering if there was a call I didn't know about, I might be able to learn a new sound (or a new type of call) from.
I have pretty much thrown in the towel on coyote hunting, but that is good advice, I'll pass it along to others when I can.
Krusty
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CrazyCooydog
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posted January 11, 2004 08:25 AM
Coyote_250
I would be very interested to hear your version of a female in heat and domain howl.
Would it be asking to much for a sample of these sounds.
Thanks.
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