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Topic: Kudos To Lance for "Coyote Nirvana"
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Crow Woman
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posted December 19, 2003 01:06 PM
Fantastic article Lance Homman, featuring Professors Higgins and Leonard in the January issue of "The Trapper & Predator Caller" magazine!
After reading on this board about what Leonard said that there is either a Jay or a Rich... are you sure you interviewed and photographed Rich, not Jay??!!?? Did you get DNA results?
Great job! Good Topic and Great Coverage!
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Sheri L Baity
Lord, Please give me peace, because if you give me strength, I might beat someone to death!
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Rich Higgins
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posted December 19, 2003 01:16 PM
Actually those photos are of Tyler.
I'm still not sure if Rich and Jay exist.
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Crow Woman
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posted December 19, 2003 01:25 PM
ahhhh... you can't full this blonde! This one looks tall and pretty so must be Jay or is it the tall one is Jay and the pretty one is Jay's alterego, Rich?
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Sheri L Baity
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Cdog911
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posted December 19, 2003 05:53 PM
Thanks, Sheri. But the credit goes to the contributors. All I did was put one word after the other. And since I'm in the midst of my humbling year, I must admit that this is a classic case of "those that cannot do, write about it." ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Crow Woman
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posted December 20, 2003 12:30 AM
knock it off Lance... you want I should have to come out there and take you outside and have a talk with you... or maybe an ancient tickle with the feathers tricks?? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
seriously though, you had a beginning, middle and end and great research and flow throughout the article. Now this is the reporter talking for a moment. It kept me grabbed from moment one all the way through. True, you had great subjects, but you put it together!
nuff said, I'm done lecturing now. You can go to your room now ...
AND WRITE ANOTHER STORY!!!
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Sheri L Baity
Lord, Please give me peace, because if you give me strength, I might beat someone to death!
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Krustyklimber
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posted December 20, 2003 11:13 AM
quote:
"those that cannot do, write about it."
And every once in a while we shut-up, and just read...
Don't sweat the ratio of success, Lance... have you stopped learning anything new? Is there not wonders in the world yet to be seen out there in the field?
Every bit of experience, good or bad, adds to your bag of tricks, and skills as a hunter.
Be happy you're out hunting, and success will find you when it's time... I am bankin' on that!
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Wiley E
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posted December 20, 2003 05:51 PM
Lance,
You did a good job of pointing out the difference between the falacy of cover scents to mask odors and "misting" to stop or direct a coyote approaches.
A very important distinction that I think a lot of people miss.
I am glad you gave Leonard the credit that he is due. Personally, I appreciate that. Many times I see newcomers take ideas from the veterans and act like they came up with it on their own. Not that you are a newcomer but it's refreshing to see an experienced veteran given proper credit for a somewhat new concept.
One thing jumped out at me in the article for whatever it's worth. Leonard has stated many times, and he can correct me if I am wrong, that the "magic mist" serves it's most useful purpose during night calling to stop coyotes.
I think the "night calling" value of misting was a very important point that was missed in the article unless I missed it by reading too fast.
As a student of coyote behavior, I know that you realize that "MOST" coyotes are a different animal at night than they are during the day. Most of their bad experiences with humans happen during daylight hours. Most of their good experiences with humans happen in the dark of night.
When Leonard explained the value of "misting" in the context of night calling to direct the approach, to stop the approach, and to provide for more eyeshine, it made perfect sense.
In the open country that I call in during daylight calling, "misting" makes absolutely no sense.
In country with cover in 365 degrees during daylight calling, it may help stop or direct a coyote's approach. When it's convenient for them to circle, due to habitat, they usually will circle downwind. In that situation, it may have more value than open country and less value than night calling.
Again, I think "misting's" most useful value is for night calling to stop coyotes and that is what Leonard has advocated many times.
Not to rain on your parade but for future reference, I think "night calling" is an important point to make when discussing the value of "misting".
The only reason I mention this is because you know how some people can be. They'll try something like "misting" in the wrong situation and think you were crazy for advocating it.
The problem was not the "misting", the problem was not knowing when to use it or why.
For whatever it's worth!
~SH~
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Cdog911
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posted December 21, 2003 08:39 AM
No offense taken, Scott. One thing you have to learn when writing is that different people will have different perspectives and experience levels that they apply to their perception of your work. As both Leonard and Rich will attest to, contributors are the final greenlight on any piece like that which depends upon their input for the information base. I've seen far too many instances where an article gets printed with scores of misquotes and information taken completely out of context. In this case, I relied completely on these two generous gentlemen for the foundation for the piece, and using misting at night was not even addressed. I'm sure you are right, but cannot hunt at night so would not be able to refute your statement even if I wanted to. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) Also, never hesitate to provide constructive criticism of my or any other writer's work, if you know that your experience has taught you something that differs from my own, when taken within the context of where and how you hunt as opposed to my conditions. No one bit of information can address calling conditions in all places at all times. Just this past week, I read a good piece in Fur-Fish-Game that touted the Mini-14 as the best all around coyote rifle out there. I used one for years, but now readily admit it to be a lousy rifle for coyotes, IMHO. Great for plinking, but not so good for keeping a coyote down or shooting any further than would allow you to accomplish the same end with a 9-iron and a decent follow through.
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Leonard
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posted December 21, 2003 09:09 AM
Scott, you are basically correct. I have said many times that coyotes circle downwind much more readily, at night, than on a day stand. And, misting on the wide open plains, can be almost a waste of time, if you are in the habit of locating and calling upwind especially.
But, when hunting broken terrain, with shooting lanes, and many avenues of approach where you do not have the oportunity to see the animal until he gets there; then the "Magic Mist" will hold him for a shot. A shot at an animal that would have been lost, without it. It's up to the individual, if it's worth the effort. But, you don't need it on every daylight stand, I'd be the first to point it out. You need to look at your setup and determine it's value. The caller has some responsibility to use the tools available to him, wisely.
A final point. IT NEVER HURTS.
Good hunting. LB
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