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Topic: Army Camo
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Locohead
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posted August 27, 2003 11:56 AM
Does anyone use just plain old Army camo?
I like the idea of the big funky pattern breaking up your outline as opposed to helping you blend into your backround with cool colors and such.
I know a guy can sit still and wear glow-in-the-dark purple if he so desired. But leave it alone already, I just want to know about the old camo. LOL
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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted August 27, 2003 01:46 PM
Loco,
A couple years ago while prepping photo supporty for an article in T&PC, I enlisted the help of a friend and we burned a couple rolls of B&W film taking pics up close and at distances of all my camo patterns. What I found was that the military patterns are very effective at distances over 200 yards where the small pieces and parts of leaves, etc., just kind of disappear. The photorealistic patterns like Advantage and Realtree just kind of merged into one homogenous color and it often created a human shaped silhouette-like pattern which differed from that of the background. No matter how good those patterns are, they don't reproduce natural shading for spit. The military patterns blended pretty well out at 100-300 yards.
Now, when in close cover where the coyote may be within fifteen to fifty yards of you, the large pattern of the military pattern distinguishes it from the leaves and other structure that comprises the environment around you. In those cases, I wear the photorealistic stuff, usually Advantage Timber. Sportsman's Guide now has the new digital military BDU's in their most recent catalog and I think they'd work great in up close situations. Personally, I've become quite partial to NatGear, but I do have a lot of BDU's, if for no reason than to wear under my overalls for all the pockets and their durability. Hope I answered your question without over-answering it too much.
Lance
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Leonard
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posted August 27, 2003 02:43 PM
Nothing wrong with Military patterns.
One time, I was passed up by my two friends, twice, as I was standing there, waiting for my pick up, wearing "Day Desert", head to toe. Each time I moved closer to the road. The third time, I got tired of the game and screamed at them to stop. They still didn't see me, but they stopped real fast. It was a Club hunt, they weren't joking around.
But, I'm not real fussy about patterns, and I frequently mix brands. Whatever's closer to the top of the bag.
Good hunting. LB
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onecoyote
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posted August 27, 2003 03:28 PM
I used Army camo for three years, after that I never used it again. It worked for people if done right, no reason it wouldn't work on other predators.
[ August 27, 2003, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: onecoyote ]
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Barry
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posted August 27, 2003 06:50 PM
Wow,what a vision.Danny screaming away on his AP-6 while dressed in a Barney suit.Let me run the camera that day.
Desert camo would probally serve us better since everything will be brown by October.I see it in the surplus stores cheap.I get it 2 sizes too big to go over my Carharts.I also see some of the new digital enhanced patterns but they are a little pricey.If you can get'em to come while playing"I love you"you will be THE coyote god.
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Locohead
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posted August 27, 2003 08:36 PM
Thank you Lance. That was a great response. It seems to me that a bout a year ago or so, I was considering buying a ghillie suit and you said that you were considering it too. Well, did ya'?
How'd it do?
Barry,
2 sizes to big my hiney. Your outfit could of fit both of us inside of that thing. EEEEeeeewwww grosssss - an even worse vision!!!!!
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Cdog911
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posted August 28, 2003 07:29 AM
Loco,
Yeah, I did. Bought the Bushrag kit for the poncho. I started putting it together in my living room while watching TV and sitting on the floor. Bad idea. My back hurt so bad from bending over the next day I could hardly walk. The mess I made with all those damned jute fibers made Christmas tree tinsel look like a walk in the park. So, I hung it over the front porch railing and sat in a lawn chair while my daughter rode her bike back and forth. My wife started tying knots and pretty much saved my butt. She can sit and do nothing for hours on end. My ADD kicks in after about 47 seconds and I start looking for another small, short-term job to work on.
If you saw my recent piece in T&PC, the pics are me in that suit. It was a poncho, but I got tired of pulling it over my head. So, about a month ago, I opened the front up like a jacket and zip-tied four plastic life jacket snap closures things to it and they work great. Are they useful and do they work? Not only yes, but HELL yes! I had some of my most incredible experiences calling ever this past season because of that suit. It's a tool that sits in the toolbox and is pulled out for use when it fits the situation. Not on every stand by any means. But, if I have a good day and the setup is perfect in every way except for no available backdrop for me, I get out the ghillie and plop my butt down any old place and make like a bush. Coyotes don't seem to know the difference. (besides, even if you don't see anything, you look really, really COOL trying.)
At $50, the kits are reasonably priced, and assembly took about 12 to 15 hours total. Having put one together, I can say I USED to think the already assembled suits were over-priced, but that price is pretty good when I look at the time and effort that went into making mine. I guess it's a matter of how much free time you have and how much that time is worth to you. If you have any other ????'s, feel free to ask. I'll answer them to the best of my personal experience.
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Locohead
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posted August 28, 2003 07:49 AM
Just one question: If it looks that much like a bush and the coyotes really believe it, have any tried to mark thier territory yet? Sheesh, close encounters indeed.
Okay, a for real question then. When I was considering buying the ghillie it was because the drought killed most of the tall grass (lots anyway). You can just plop down in the middle or nowhere and be a bush and call successfully??? If so, I will indeed buy one this year. I would suspect the coyotes would know whether or not there is supposed to be a bush there.
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