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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 20, 2003, 07:26 PM:
 
Last weekend I took Phoebe calling for the first time since she her puppies. We intended to set up over a den and film the coyote pups. As we approached I flushed 2 pups out of the wash in front of the den and they ran up the hill. We moved a ttle further down the wash and flushed another pup, so I decided to set-up right there even though I could only see 10 yards or so down wind, I had a good view of the hillside the pups climbed. Set upm the camera and put it on standby Started misting and then blew a short series of little puppy howls. Four adults popped up out of the brush in a semi-circle about 10 yards in front of me and I was busted trying to hit the record button. Managed to call two adults and a puppy back for a couple of minutes of video, but that was all. Tomorrow morning Jay and Tyler and I are going to set up in a bowl overlooking the denning area. Jay and Tyler will be in an elevated position with great visibility and I'll be down in the bowl with some props and call them into me. We will then drive up to Flagstaff To Gerry's house, who has been simmering a pot of beans for 2 days and has the rib-eyes marinated, and spend the day with him, his sons Mike and Gerry Jr., George Oakey and maybe a friend of Gerry's from Winslow. So tomorrow we get to do it in the morning and then talk about it all day with some fine men that flat know how to do it. Kinda like Christmas in June.
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 20, 2003, 08:09 PM:
 
Rich, you lucky guy. I hope you have a ball and I'm sure you well. Almost everybody knows who Gerry is, but not to many folks outside of Arizona know who George Oakey is. I know he's an old timer and I've heard one of the best at the game. Hey, take some pictures of those guys and post them so we can all see what we missed lol, Good Luck and Good Hunting.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on June 20, 2003, 08:53 PM:
 
Why you lucky #@!!*&$&$#$#!
 

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Posted by jerry (Member # 195) on June 20, 2003, 09:13 PM:
 
sounds like fun to me , last fall i had the pleasure of doing some calling and trapping with Very Howey and Kirk Jessop while vern was visiting with kirk in Idaho , I also picked up my dog OBE from kirk at that time . that was the most educational and fun time i have had in a long time . nothing better to put a smile in your heart as spending some one on one time with a couple of the best in the business . have a great time , but dont eat to many of them beans , cover scent is one thing , but the beans just might scare them away . LOl. Jerry
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 20, 2003, 09:34 PM:
 
C'mon Lone Howl, 2!!, 2 &, 3$ and 3#, If you were truly envious you would have typed a whole line without repeating yourself. Jerry, Jay and I are doing "Interview with a Legend" segments and Vern Howey is one we would like to talk to. His video is one of the most informative of the genre. Danny, we'd like to talk to you too.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 20, 2003, 09:36 PM:
 
The joks on you, Rich. Gerry and Danny, they're both dead, last I heard? LB
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on June 20, 2003, 09:40 PM:
 

 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 20, 2003, 09:51 PM:
 
Danny died? Good Lord, how many Merry Widows does that make?
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on June 20, 2003, 09:59 PM:
 
Rich H. you have mail.
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 20, 2003, 10:05 PM:
 
Damn, I'm dead and don't know it? Is this what it's like to be dead? At least the big coyote in the sky did'nt get me lol.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 21, 2003, 09:36 AM:
 
Okay, I tried, but nobody believed it anyway. Ya know, it really hurts when they want to "interview" some guy; (or more accurately: some legend ) that I've beaten so many times.

Good hunting. LB (pond scum)
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on June 21, 2003, 11:20 AM:
 
Rich H,

!@#$%^&*()\-]`'/?[";+°®¿§~¢ƒ£½!!!!!

How's that for ENVIOUS?!?

I hope if I ever meet guys who "flat know how to do this" I will do a better job of listening to what they have to say... I once spent the better part of a weekend hanging out with Curt, Jerry, and a few other quite knowledgable callers/trappers... but because I was so new to the game, I didn't know I was being blessed with golden wisdom, and didn't bother to learn more from them (but you gotta understand the questions before you can even come close to understanding the answers!).

Jeff
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 21, 2003, 11:57 AM:
 
Hey, +Krusty, where you bin? Thought SE might have taken you hostage?

Killed anything lately? LB
 

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Posted by jerry (Member # 195) on June 21, 2003, 08:30 PM:
 
Rich, Vern is in Idaho right now doing some ADC work for the feds, I can get ahold of him most any time , so if you have a problem let me know . It takes a couple of days some times as he is out in the field alot and his hours are long . Verns video is one of those you dont hear people talking about much , when i saw it i thought it was probably the Best for a beginner or exp , caller to watch . Im having a big e.mail problem so if ya need to get ahold of me call my cell 509- 760-0566 Jerry .
 

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Posted by jerry (Member # 195) on June 21, 2003, 08:37 PM:
 
Hey leonard , maybe your just to young and good looking to have achived the ( legend) status as of yet Jerry
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 22, 2003, 10:33 AM:
 
Jerry and friends. Jay and I are producing a video, {and perhaps a book for Jay}, comprised of interviews with men who by right, talent and longevity have become national celebrities in our sport. Gerry Blair, Tal Lockwood and George Oakey were first with the likes of Doug Kittredge, Major Boddicker, Gerald Stewart, Ed Sceery, and hopefully Jim Dougherty to follow. This will be the first of 2 parts. The second part will be intervieiws and hunts with men who are famous within their own right and venue. Men who practice their murderous art with quiet deadly efficiency (D-D-D-Damn, I was bitten by a Greenie and I'm beginning to turn)and are vast reservoirs of knowledge and great and goofy stories that can be shared with the rest of us.(Jay Nistetter will probably soon qualify for both parts)Leonard and I are planning a hunt in Aug. or Sept. He will be the first of the working masters and I am expecting some exceptional footage with him. Scott Huber and I have discussed a hunt together in S.D. and I hope he will consent to an interview. Our own varmit hunter, AKA Ronnie Robison, a Gold Stall member of Outland and maker and star of videos, has said he will hunt with me. Danny Batastini is just brim full of it(great and goofy stories).If anyone would like to nominate an interviewee, I would like to talk to them. edited for spelling and an omission

[ June 22, 2003, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: Rich Higgins ]
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 22, 2003, 11:27 AM:
 
Yesterday was exactly like Christmas. We arrived at Gerry's house and were greeted by Gerry, Mike and Sean and were treated to their marvelous homestyle hospitality. Gerry Jr. arrived and was well met. George Oakey arrived and treated us to a fascinating videoed interview in which he demonstrated his championship calling technique. Ray Branch arrived and joined with his stories. Gerry served lunch? out front in the cool shade of his pine trees, 60 or 70 footers complete with Abert squirrels and Band-tails. Rib-eye medium rare with homemade salsa, beans long-simmered with ham and fatback, potato salad presented in a cassarole dish with paprika and boiled egg slices. I probably won't have to eat for several days now. We watched some video after lunch. I got to talk with each man alone during the afternoon and greatly enjoyed the time spent with each. We were regaled through the afternoon and evening with quick and wonderful stories of the famous and the notorious and much of it is on video. I hope that some of you guy's favorite color is green because during a discussion of Jack Cain and the origin of the Circe calls Gerry walked over to me and shook my hand and doing so placed a plain unfinished wooden call in it. Gerry said that it was a prototype of the first Circe that Jack Cain had given him, there were only three in existence and Gerry, Jay and I each had one. Gerry gave each of us a new in the wrapper copy of his first video "The Masters Secrets to Predator Calling". Gerry had already presented both of us with copies of his book "Calling East and West", mine inscribed "To Rich- My new old friend." Signed Gerry Blair and (gasp) Gerry's personal copy of "Predator Caller's Companion" hardcover, unused condition and inscribed "To Rich- Thanks for being a friend-" Gerry Blair. Yup- just like the very best Christmas.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 22, 2003, 12:29 PM:
 
Geeze! Words fail me.
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 22, 2003, 01:02 PM:
 
Awesome
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 22, 2003, 01:58 PM:
 
Yeah, that too! Hey, Danny. You thinking what I'm thinking?

Picture this:

TALK TO A LEGEND 1-900-1coyote
$1.99 per minute

(I'll hold your coat) hehehe

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on June 22, 2003, 02:31 PM:
 
Rich,

You and Jay had better take it easy on the man. I've a few autographed books and videos from him as well.

He also promised me a hunt several years ago. In fact, when I first moved to AZ, Gerry was the first person I called. He told me his health had been troubling him, and he probably wasn't going to be able to get out and hunt that winter. That was the last time I talked to him, a few months later, I was told he had developed a brain tumor, the next summer, I was told he had passed on.

I about fell out of my chair when I got the note from Nistetter last week telling who he was going to visit.

I won't pass on a chance to visit with the legend again.
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 22, 2003, 04:35 PM:
 
First off, Rich forgot to mention that we started the day waiting for each other at two different spots before heading out to call and film some coyote. We obviously manage to connect and we even filmed a coyote. Next stop was Jack Ass Acres before heading up I-17 towards Flagstaff. Our contribution for the banquet was to be one of those famous pies (possibly two) from Rock Springs. Well, being a couple motor-mouths, we were well beyond the Rock Springs turnoff when we remembered our PIE duty. Ya just can’t trust either of us.

Just to add to what Rich said above rather than repeat his recollection, we stopped off to shop for die-cut camo material. Do we have one-track minds or what? We found a bakery and bought a lemon moraine pie. Is “moraine” correct? Sure doesn’t look right. Anyway, the pie topped with fluffed egg whites.

We are a long way from producing any video and just brainstorming the possibilities. Although we find the idea fascinating, others may not share our viewpoint.

The “great and goofy stories” is Rich’s way of saying… boorish and politically correct memories that can be put in print.

The good stories, as some of the long time callers out there know, cannot be openly told in mixed company. We turned off the cameras more than once and then put them away entirely.

The Circe prototype call was actually presented to Gerry by Lewis Mossinger, who was actually the designer of the Circe calls and together with Jack Cain, made Circe Calls. The rest is history.

Gerry and George are truly entertaining and a wealth of information. My definition of a mentor is a person who teaches without pretense of teaching.

We also had the good fortune to meet and share the day with Raymond Branch who I found quite knowledgeable and fascinating. He makes professional quality bullropes, has ranched and rodeo-ed. You just need to listen to the life experiences of guys like these. Without knowing, fellows like Ray, are people thrust into the world of predator control and predator calling as part of their lifestyle.

I did manage to read yet another chapter of Gerry’s new book that will hopefully be available this fall. Needless to say, this is probably his best work because of the enthusiasm he exudes. One chapter per visit ensures that I will be making many more trips up the mountain.

There’s a lot of fascinating people out there, but Gerry, his life experiences, his easy manner and gift for storytelling is someone I sincerely wish all of you could meet someday. We are extremely fortunate that he finds time to be a part of this family.
 

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Posted by jerry (Member # 195) on June 22, 2003, 05:40 PM:
 
Sounds like a great day you will always remember , Jay , thats how i got into predator hunting , i used to team rope with several of the local cattle men in my area. One night a group of 4 coyotes anchored my dog down at the end of my driveway at 3:00 A.M. i heard the rucus and in my underwear ran down the driveway, all i could see was fur flying , and a bunch of shadowy features, i started yelling and kicking and the coyotes scattered. I relayed the story to some of my friends , and the reaction was ( well what ya gonna do about it) . I figured i would go out and see about getting even , I got three dead sheep from a friend of mine and set them out for bait . I sat on thoses sheep for almost two weeks , night and day , thru snow storms , freezing weather etc . i never once saw a coyote . but they were feeding on them. this got my hackles up , i figured i had to be a lil smarter then a damn dog , well that started it , and im still at it . its a passion i just cant shake . nothing has ever and will never excite me more then watching a coyote come in to the call .Like a few others here , i have spent thousands of hours watching and learning the habits of these critters . and again like so many others here have yet to know the animal as well as i would like to . I also have been blessed with the opportunity to call with some very good callers . some from this site as well as 0thers i have met thru friends .There are so many of you guys i would like to meet and share a stand with , if only i had unlimited time and resources LOl. jerry
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 22, 2003, 06:11 PM:
 
In all seriousness. I promised I would ask.

Rich Higgins: My wife wants to know how you can get out EVERY weekend, and still stay married?

And, the rest of us (me, especially) would also like to know your secret.

If we send ten dollars, each? Wadda ya say, pal?

Good hunting. LB

PS I'm thinking of flying down for our little hunt.
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on June 22, 2003, 06:29 PM:
 
I think it's because he works at home and she just gets tired of seeing him. Afterall Leonard, you've seen him. Can you blame her?
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on June 22, 2003, 06:38 PM:
 
This is a fantastic undertaking. I have always thought that the old timers of the profession should be recognized for their accomplishments. Deer and elk hunters have been honoring themselves for decades. A tribute to predator hunters is past due. It is to bad that many have already passed but there are many that are still alive that are very worthy of legend status. I think it would be a compliment to the video and the book if you were to touch on the life stories of men like Vern Dorn and Bill Austin as well as a handful of others that have their own claim to fame. Craig O’Gorman deserves a slot as well as Steve Craig. O’Gorman has taken instructions and or associated with some of the very best coyote men in the country. His contributions would be priceless. While you are interviewing Scott H I am sure he could point you in the right direction to find many, many more coyote men that no one hears about that has taken literally thousands of coyotes in their lifetime. I feel like a kid at Christmas waiting impatiently for the day to arrive when the book and video is done!! There is no doubt they will be hot sellers.

Good luck!!

Q,
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 22, 2003, 07:35 PM:
 
While recording the history of our sport, (a noble effort) it seems to me that the final chapter should involve the young turks that are standing on the shoulders of those early pioneers.

Guys like, oh, maybe, Quinton or ?

That's what they should do, give tribute to the past, and look to the future.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on June 22, 2003, 07:56 PM:
 
Ya, Leonard!! LOL I want to be famous too!! They are going to interview a guy (Major) that at the 2001 VHA jamboree recognized yours truly as probably the best caller that he knows of. He was the featured speaker for the night and said it in front of a symposium full of people. Needless to say it took two or three guys to help me get my head squeezed through the door on the way out. Don’t laugh it’s true. They even sell the tape. LOL

No I am not worthy of such an honor. I am not yet 30 years old so I don’t have enough $hit on my boots to be of much value to them. Thank you for the nice gesture though!

Q,
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 22, 2003, 08:13 PM:
 
Leonard, I'll save you 10 bucks. I have a lifetime supply of Viagra. My wife welcomes the break. Leonard, great idea, and a great balance. Q is a perfect candidate and so are all his suggestions. I would really like to talk to Vern Dorn.
 

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Posted by Rob (Member # 75) on June 22, 2003, 08:18 PM:
 
Don't forget Cal Taylor or Mark Dobrenski from Montana who's speciality is callin bears.
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on June 22, 2003, 08:34 PM:
 
Vern passed away November 1st 1995 at the age of 77 years. I didn’t mean to sound like he was still alive. Craig O’G, knew him well as did John Graham. John worked with Vern in the mid 80s doing denning work for Carbon County Wyoming so he could give you a lot of information on the man. Vern Howey worked with the late Bill Austin at about the same time so he could help you fill in the blanks of Bills life. If I remember right I think Vern H said he helped Bill to identify a few of the vocalizations that Bill became famous for and also (if I remember right) Vern H told me that he named the group howl “Sunrise Serenade” or something like that. I just love all of this kind of stuff, especially the historical aspects of ADC and fur taking in America. I wanted to do something for the old-timers but I didn’t know how to go about it. I would be happy to help gather information for the project if you would like. Just let me know how I can help and I will!

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 22, 2003, 09:21 PM:
 
Q, I had heard that Vern Dorn had passed away. I would really like to have interviewed him. He seems to have been a study in contradiction. I agree with your choices of men who should be recognized for their work. There are so many that it will probably be necessary to establish two catagories, competition/recreational callers and the pros of ADC. I appreciate your offer and will gladly accept any and all help. I will E-mail you tomorrow.
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on June 22, 2003, 09:59 PM:
 
Scott H is the man to see about ADC. On our trip to Kansas we talked about a lot of different ADC men both alive and dead. It was far and away the most informative and interesting talk I have ever had on the subject. He is truly a wealth of information on anything coyote and ADC. BTW most of you think that old Scott is just an ADC man from the state of South Dakota but no one knows of him in that regard up there. His real claim to fame is that he and his father are the reining world champion gofer ropers. I am serious. LOL just ask him. Well maybe not “World Champs” but they are the state champs anyway. I ask him how he did it and he said in a serious voice “If I told you I would have to kill you.” The tone in his voice told me that he was serious so I just shut up and left it at that. Maybe you can get a little more information out of him during his interview but I doubt it. He is likely to take his gofer roping secrets to the grave. LOL

In every town (or county anyway) in the West is a local legend so weeding people out may prove difficult. There are a LOT of people out there very worthy of an interview. I think if you start at the top and work down you will know where to quit though. The best guys out there usually know who the “Who’s Who” in coyote hunting is. This is a big country with a lot of hunters in it. It should prove to be an interesting and informative journey.

I am looking forward to helping and your e-mail!!

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 22, 2003, 10:23 PM:
 
Scott Huber roping gophers. There's a mental picture. When I was a kid I read about Hugh Glass and his epic 600 mile crawl. He snared ground squirrels with a twisted grass rope. Placed a loop around the burrow hole. When the rodent popped up he gave the rope a tug. I tried and did it twice with fish line.
 

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Posted by Cal Taylor (Member # 199) on June 23, 2003, 11:30 AM:
 
I think you guys are on a great path if you can gather some info from some of these guys. My votes go for Bill Dixon from Kaycee, Wy. A true veteran ADC man that knows coyotes better than any I have seen. Next would be O'Gorman, I think his predator total is over 30,000 now. And he could also tell you alot about Vern Dorn. And Tim Fish from Casper,Wy. who is probably the next Vern Dorn. I think he takes more coyotes in a year than most. I know his average is somewhere close to 8 or 900 coyotes yearly from denning, trapping, snares, and M44s. That is on the ground, not in the air. He has also spent alot of time with both Dorn and O'Gorman. I'm sure there are others that should be noted. Eddie Wimberly is capable and a nice guy, I met him at Rawlins a few years ago. I was calling with Tim, and Eddie was there for Hunter Specialties. They know each other well and I think Eddie had spent some time with Dorn also. Some of you probably seen him on the Operation Predator video for HS. But before he was a movie star hes was a tried and true ADC man. I know it was a good time that year at Rawlins, we were setting around talking coyotes and at the table was Tim Fish, Eddie Wimberley, Vern Howey, Bill Dixon, Cenny Burnell, and myself. Myself not included, there was alot of knowledge there at one time.
 

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Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on June 23, 2003, 12:11 PM:
 
How many of the great canine men, when asked who was(or is) the best, would name themselves? I have always wondered what names they would be throwing out when asked that question.

Dennis
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 23, 2003, 02:34 PM:
 
Q, your E-mail address isn't listed. Mine is. E-mail your phone # and I'll call you this evening. Rich
 

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Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on June 24, 2003, 07:38 AM:
 
Sounds like a very worthwhile project Rich.

With Tyler in the editing room, the video is bound to be a hit. Even my wife and daughter enjoyed Tyler's vivid imagination.

The book, "interviews with calling legends".....hmmmmm???

From a commercial (recognized) and knowledge standpoint:

Tal Lockwood
Ed Sceery
Gerald Stewart
Major Boddicker
Jay Nistetter
Rich Cronk
Gerry Blair
Rich Higgins

From a competitive callers and knowledge standpoint:

Leonard Bosin
Dan Batastini
Steve Craig
Gary Strader
Quinton Wagoner
Vic Carlson
John-Henry
Tom and Ted Schmid from Colorado
Todd and Tory Heid from North Dakota
Belcourt Brothers from Wyoming
Brett and Wayne Heath - SD

From an ADC standpoint:

Delyle and Gary Rowley from Montrose and Craig Colorado
Merril Nelson - Rock Springs, Wyo
Larry Sanders - Craig, CO
Herb Brusman from Herb's Howlers - Oregon or Washington
Glen Sterling Sr. & Jr. - Faith, S.D. and Huron, S.D. respectively
Dave Nelson - Wisconsin
Pat Dinkins - Bison, S.D. (Vern Howey learned from Pat Dinkins)
Chris McAllister - Dallas, SD
Rod Yoder - Camp Crook, SD
Jim Stevens - Helena, MT
Vern Howey
Ron and Don Frieda - NE
Randy BenBen - NE

The best unknown callers I have personally hunted with:

Doug Huston - SD
Larry Denke - SD
Howard "Bud" Eggers - SD

That would be my who's who list.

[ June 24, 2003, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: Wiley E ]
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on June 24, 2003, 01:14 PM:
 
I wonder how many coyotes are no longer among the living because of the guys on that list? Yikes!! I have heard you say a lot of good things about Denke and Huston. B Heath is also somewhat of an unknown other than locally anyway. I met him last year and he was a very nice and soft-spoken man. It makes you wonder how many other great callers are out there that just mind their own business and kill a ton of coyotes every year? With your list alone Rich has his work cut out for him. LOL I hope he finds the time though.

Q,
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 25, 2003, 04:14 PM:
 

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The book, "interviews with calling legends".....hmmmmm???

From a competitive callers and knowledge standpoint:

Leonard Bosin
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Okay, let's assume that Scott is sucking up a little, for some reason?

I have a small knowledge of what it takes to kill a bunch of animals in a short amount of time, but, I'm just an amateur, guys.....just like the rest of you. I couldn't make a living hunting coyotes; wouldn't want to. It would take the enjoyment and satisfaction from it. I have no idea how to kill a specific problem animal, I get the easy one's!

On anybody's list of professional coyote men, include me out. But, thank you, Scott.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 25, 2003, 05:45 PM:
 
I tried to assume Scott was sucking up, for whatever reason and couldn't, sorry. Just doesn't compute. I agree with much of what you said, and your candor and modesty are really refreshing, but the fact that you are master of the night is going to be a real attraction for a video if you are willing to demonstrate your winning way for me. I believe the difference between talented and enthusiastic amateurs and professional callers is great enough to seperate them in different catagories as Scott did.That will require the production of three videos. What I envision is having all the master callers answer from the same scripted questionaire and then freestyle their approach and philosophy to calling followed by a days hunt with them in which they will hopefully demonstrate their approach and techniques. If we are able to condense all that into 10 minutes each we will profile nine men on each of the three videos. After editing some will run longer and others less but that will probably be a realistic amount of time to devote to each.
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 25, 2003, 06:19 PM:
 
Leonard, I don't think in your case making a living killing coyotes is what Scott was talking about. I agree with you that we are in no way ADC men and like you...I would have no idea how to find and kill a problem animal. I think what Scott is talking about is longevity in the sport and competition hunting. Leonard, how many guys have been in the sport as long as you...not many. And how many have competed with the caliber of hunters that you have for as long as you have? Again...not many. You get the dumb ones huh, how many guys can get that many dumb ones?...Not many. One more thing you have to think about is how many places you've hunted predators...Calif, Arizona, Nevada, Texas, Utah, Wyoming and a few other places I don't know about, oh I forgot Mexico and Africa. Last but not least, we can take and talk big numbers of animals in a short period of time. Who else besides a few CVCA members can do that? We are not and never will be legends. Guys like Murry Burnham, Johnny Stewart and a handful of others, those are the real legends of our sport. The rest of us just happend to have hung out longer than most guys did and the most important thing of all is.......(we found the internet) with out it, non of these guys would never know who we are and vice versa. I think you should get some recognition for all that, Good Hunting.
 

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Posted by NASA (Member # 177) on June 25, 2003, 06:38 PM:
 
YES, what Danny said!
 

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Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on June 25, 2003, 06:41 PM:
 
I agree with you onecoyote, that's why I would like to have Leonard appear first and in two hunts, one day and one night hunt. Second should probably be some oldtimer who's rumored to be part coyote named Danny Batastini. Last I heard he was denned up with some young she-coyote and might be available for the video?
 

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Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on June 26, 2003, 12:31 PM:
 
One Yipper: "Leonard, I don't think in your case making a living killing coyotes is what Scott was talking about. I agree with you that we are in no way ADC men and like you...I would have no idea how to find and kill a problem animal. I think what Scott is talking about is longevity in the sport and competition hunting."

Let me make something perfectly clear. I hope I never dropped the implication that ADC men are superior in their calling abilities to the private sector. I have know a few high caliber callers in the private sector that are every bit as good as the best ADC men. I listed a few that would fall in that category.

I have no "prima dona" attitude towards the private sector and I might add that my best competition hunting partners were not ADC men.

Just wanted to clear that up!

~SH~

[ June 26, 2003, 12:33 PM: Message edited by: Wiley E ]
 

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 26, 2003, 03:46 PM:
 
Wiley E, let me clear something up. There is no way any ( Amateur Dog Caller ) ADC man can beat Leonard or me in competition without the use of a helicopter and a machine gun lol.....yes I'm crazy.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 26, 2003, 05:11 PM:
 
Whoa, Danny.
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on June 26, 2003, 06:22 PM:
 
I’ll make a deal with you Danny. You and Leonard come on up to Scott and my neck of the woods and we will have a privet competition for 5 days, you and Leonard against Scott and I. I would feel bad taking your money so we can just do it for fun and to show you that not all competitions are created equally. Your rules are unique to Kalifornia and there is no night hunting in SD or NE from a vehicle. The other obstacle to over come is you need to hunt privet ground if you want to be competitive in these states unless you get reeeeel lucky.

You painted “competition” with a pretty wide brush. On your turf we couldn’t compete with you for the first few hunts and I know you couldn’t compete with us on the first few eather.

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 26, 2003, 07:18 PM:
 
Quinton, that Danny is such a kidder. hehehe

Of course, we couldn't kompete with a couple guys like you and Scott, at half our age. Even then, you'd have to spot us a dozen. LB
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on June 26, 2003, 07:43 PM:
 
I am just rubbing you Kalifornians. LOL Besides if you have seen Scott’s belly lately you might reconsider my offer. LOL I guess I don’t have to much room to talk. I wore a 32-36 pant size in high school and now I ware a 36 waste. Everything has gone down hill (literally) sense school.

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 26, 2003, 08:08 PM:
 
Yeah, Q, I can remember the day my waist caught up to my inseam. Anymore, the inseam's broke down by the side of the road and the waistline's just getting it's second breath. And you're right, it is all downhill from here. BTW, your hair falls out, too, 'til you just sit there with a grin on your face, like him >>>

[ June 26, 2003, 08:09 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
 

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Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on June 27, 2003, 06:35 AM:
 
Q: "Besides if you have seen Scott’s belly lately you might reconsider my offer."

Hey, I resemble that! LOL!

I'm a fat SOB, no question there but I'm losing this summer. Gives the less confident something to criticize.

What I lack in attractiveness is more than compensated for with knowlege and experience. I'm slow out of the gate but hell for stamina. LOL!

I wouldn't want to compete against Dan Bad Ass Teeny or Leonard when I would have more fun calling with them. Besides, I might be able to keep up with them if they weren't willing to carry me to the stand. LOL!

~SH~

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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on June 27, 2003, 01:06 PM:
 
That's what Budweiser does to you. And yes to what Leonard said....I'm always joking around, what's life if you can't have fun. Q, I detect that competitive spirit in you. I had it for years myself, still do, but I'm too damn old to do anything about it now days lol. Yes, I know we'd lose butts in your neck of the woods and we wouldn't stand a chance in any other part of the country either. To take away our trucks would be leaving us NAKED lol. I don't know for sure but I think the only states that let you hunt from your truck are Texas, Nevada and California. I talked to a Arizona Game and Fish man, he told me in Arizona, as long as you have one foot on the ground you could shoot from your truck DUHH lol. Q, did you ever hear about the two headed coyote I shot? Or the one I caught on a rod and reel down in Mexico? Please don't believe everything I say, but then again you never know? lol, Good Hunting.
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on June 29, 2003, 05:38 PM:
 

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I wouldn't want to compete against Dan Bad Ass Teeny or Leonard when I would have more fun calling with them. Besides, I might be able to keep up with them if they weren't willing to carry me to the stand. LOL!

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