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Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 16, 2003, 04:52 AM:

On hunting yotes over a gutpile during deer season?

It's been said many times here in these hills that a successful deer hunter should stay within seeing distance of the first deer's gutpile if he wishes to kill another. All that ever means to anybody with sense is that if one buck was there,there are probably more in the area,so it'd be a good idea to continuing hunting that area.

Thinking about that got me to thinking about experiences with yotes the last 2 years at deer camp. My best friend Tim killed a deer 2 years ago,that ran forever,crossing a couple of ridges and heading way down in a gawd-awful holler,before he caught up with it and finished it off. While he was gutting it,it got real dark, and the yotes went to howling [Big Grin]

.This kinda spooked ol' Tim [Razz]

. He had to leave it,or it would have taken all night to drag it out. What he did was skin it out before leaving,and separate the shoulders and hindquarters and backstrap, and tie them up in the center of the hide.Then he hid it. Next morning something had knawed on it a bit,probably a possum.But he dragged it out pretty easily.

Last year we had them yotes coming up to the tent and howling at the deer we had hanging in the trees!

So, my question is,since it's obvious from personal observation and prior posts here,that yotes are interested in deer as a food source,are they the same way about the gut piles left in the woods,or would they only frequent them at night anyway ? Seems to be a nice group of yotes continually hanging in that area,at least for the last 2 years.I figured I might benfit in both directions,yote and deer wise, if I hunted/called reasonably close to a gutpile ?

Do they make a tape of yotes fighting over food,that could be used for this purpose ?

[ May 16, 2003, 04:54 AM: Message edited by: Seldom Ever ]

Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on May 16, 2003, 06:46 AM:

In my area, although it is not uncommon to see coyotes trucking around during the day during deer season, generally speaking they seem to clean up the gut piles mostly at night. Probably depends where the pile is of course. If there is enough cover for the coyote to feel safe during the day, he may check it out. Personally I think you would be in for a long wait and would be better off just trying to call them. Never know though.

Later, Curt

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 16, 2003, 07:51 AM:

I was speaking of using a coyote fight tape near a gut pile,to give the impression of a couple of yotes fighting over the guts,as a way of luring them in ? Heck,couldn't somebody simultate that with 2 howlers or one Rich Higgins howler ?

Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 16, 2003, 09:12 AM:

I believe that if there are coyotes near a gut pile they will clean it up at night like Curt said.Will you call coyotes in near the gut pile?Maybe or maybe not.Depends on how much calling pressure they've had,how aggressive they are,if they continue to stay close to that area.Like Curt said you could be in for a long wait.Personally I wouldn't really waste to much time there.Calling coyotes,at least for me personally is a game of numbers and I don't spend much more than 15 or 20 minutes at a given stand before I'm moving at least a mile or so to my next stand.Granted I realize I am strictly speaking from a western calling style view point and can't really relate to the Eastern way of calling.GOOD HUNTING CO

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Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 16, 2003, 11:27 AM:

Only difference I can see,speaking solely as someone whose read or been told,but experienced none of it yet,would be that here in the East we don't have to move as far,maybe 1/4 to 1/2 mile,sometimes just a couple hundred yards,on account of the terrain.

At least now I know hunting them around a gut pile is probably a waste of time.

[ May 16, 2003, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: Seldom Ever ]

Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on May 16, 2003, 12:07 PM:

I'd think in the day time the crows, magpies and ravens would be feasting on the gut pile, maybe at night the coyotes would give it a try. I wouldn't wast my time hanging around a gut pile, I'd be out making stands. I have an old motto I go by, (the more stands you make in good coyote country the more coyotes you well get.) I don't spend much more then 10 min. on a stand and I go about 1/2 mile between stands. The guy that makes 1/2 hr to 45 min stands and moves a mile or two is wasting time in good coyote country. Whats good coyote country? thats another story and it depends on where you live I guess. The way I hunt would probably not work back east up north or down south, but it works real good in the southwest. I wonder if I'm wrong again? [Frown]

LOL,

Good Hunting.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 16, 2003, 12:19 PM:

If it's working for you one coyote,and you're killing yotes,it sure as hell can't be wrong [Big Grin]

!!

Good point,never thought about the crows and other critters molesting the pile!

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 16, 2003, 03:29 PM:

Danny. Yeah, you seem to know how it's done, now will you quit whining? (insert obligatory smiley)
[Smile]

Good hunting. LB

Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on May 16, 2003, 03:58 PM:

[Roll Eyes]

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on May 16, 2003, 06:48 PM:

Actually any bait that attracts coyotes to the area is good. Whether it's an artificial bait station or natural such as dead piles and winter carrion, if they draw aggregations of coyotes they are a positive for the caller. Mo. coyotes become totally nocturnal during deer season and I would imagine that is true in W. Va. Since they are well fed during this time they respond better to vocalizations and curiosity attractants than to prey distress. Don't expect to pull them out into the open, make sure they can approach your stand in cover and absolutely make sure they will have to expose themselves to get downwind of you.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on May 16, 2003, 07:14 PM:

To address the time on stand issue again, I stay on stand at least 20 minutes unless I get a negative feel for it before then. Coyotes show up at different times with a large percentage at 20 minutes and longer. Sat AM we set up one ridge over from an active den and the coyotes still didn 't show up until after 20 minutes and 5 different sounds. We then got 23 minutes of absolutely great video. Tyler and I entered 4 contest hunts this past winter and trophied in 3 of them, one with Jat Nistetter, one with Robb Krause and one just Tyler and me. The one hunt with Robb Krause that we entered and planned as a military operation, that is 18 planned stands of exactly 10 minutes each, in areas we had called successfully in the past, we totally blanked. In MO. I would call on the little 40 acre goat farms, 3 stands, 45 minutes each, 100 or so yards apart. I took an offending coyote on the third stand often enough to continue the practice. SE if you've got no appointments or clocks to punch on your calling day and the area has a coyote feel to it, try an extended stand and remember that the cautious coyotes are still very curious. I would sit still and quietly for an additional 10 or 15 minutes watching for the coyote that just couldn't stand it any longer to sneak in and investigate all the commotion .

Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on May 17, 2003, 01:21 AM:

Rich, I think it comes down to where and how we hunt. How many animals does it usually take to win those hunts? The way you do it is ok for day hunting, I have no problem with that. The way we do it is a little different. first of all we can hunt at night and that makes for a huge advantage, we get the most action usually at that time as I'm sure you know. I'm not trying to say that your way is wrong, but if you had to compete day and night like we do, sometimes for about 36 stright hrs, long stands don't make it. I mean we got to get big numbers just to get in the ball park, sometimes a team can bring back 20 animals and won't even get in the top five or more places. We have no time to mess around, they come in or we move LOL. I do have a problem with always thinking of the way we do it vs how others have to do it, Sorry about that. I'll try to do a better job of it from now own. Can you find a way to excuse me Rich, you know I'm an old old fart and set in my ways. Hey, I have fun in this fourm, even if you guys never agree with me, thats kinda fun in itself LOL, Good Hunting.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 17, 2003, 05:35 AM:

Thanks Rich,much obliged.I had planned on doing so up North anyway,on account of all the cats up that way. I got a feeling if and when I get good enough to compete,the Good Lord will be calling me home,I'll be so old by then! But I sure do plan to have fun trying,and that's the name of the game.

Rich,what'll you take in trade for one of those howlers,I got a hankering for one real bad now ?

Posted by Maineiac (Member # 21) on May 17, 2003, 07:19 AM:

SE, for us on this side of the big muddy it may not quite be move 200yds or 300yds or 1/2 or 1 maybe 2 miles.

For me I like to move at least 100yds. I am looking more for a stand where I have nice opening. That might be just over the hill in the next holler and 50 yrds from last stand or down aways where I find somewhere that is more open with a good vantage point. Could be a holler,cut over, old field. Because there is more woods than open, I try to find the more open areas with good vantage points. I like stand where I can shoot at least 75 yds. I have place that I can shoot 600 yards, and some just 50.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 17, 2003, 07:28 AM:

Dang Maneiac, you sound like you're hunting in West Virginia! I guess Maine is fairly similiar in terrain ? Has everything growing in Maine got thorns on it,seems like they do here [ even the women did when I was trying to find wife number 4 [Big Grin]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 17, 2003, 07:45 AM:

Wife #4?

You and Danny have a lot in common.

Where are most of those thorns, anyway?

No, thanks!

Good hunting. LB

PS Danny, Rich is a special case. First of all, he isn't all that focused on winning or killing. Second, he doesn't always hunt total wilderness, as we do. That means he has to entice fairly educated dogs, and that takes time, ya know? If he knew our areas, and our reasons, he'd get with the program. What we do is a proven technique for competitive hunting, but it isn't a leasure walk in the park, you know that.

....In fact, he would be a secret weapon as a team member, for during the day when we need to crash for a few hours! Plus, administer our medications on time and warm up our soup, then tuck us in for the drive home. Get atta here, U knucklehead! [Smile]

Posted by Maineiac (Member # 21) on May 17, 2003, 11:47 AM:

SE, I can actually say that the terrain is quite simmular. I have ole family friends that live in Hurricane,WV and I have hunted there. About 18 months ago I transfered here from Pa. I have lived in Sc hunted in GA and NC and lived in LA and MS. With so many miles seperating it is amazing just how similar much of the land is.

Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on May 17, 2003, 03:47 PM:

Danny, I know your system is the best for you in the areas that you hunt. Certainly can't argue with success. I'm way too lazy for those killer contest routines you guys endure. Getting up 2 hours earlier on weekends ruins me. Leonard, why don't you drive over to Az and hunt that area we talked about? Your new howler will be ready in 2 weeks, good reason to come and get it.Don't know anything about soup and medications and tuck-ins. Lord, I hope I never get that old.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 17, 2003, 04:07 PM:

Well shoot Maineiac,I know where hurricane's at,been there. If you are ever down this way visiting,give me a yell!

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 17, 2003, 06:47 PM:

Hurricane? Been there. It's in Utah. LB

edit: That area we talked about, eh? We would need two camera men, one to follow the action and the other to catch your facial expressions. [Smile]

[ May 17, 2003, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Maineiac (Member # 21) on May 18, 2003, 05:20 AM:

I will let you know. I have been trying to get there the last two years to do some bowhunting. Then 9/11/01 happened and just when we get settled down the war starts and now with so much international terriorism. Professionally speaking is quit busy, it has taken a toll on much of my free time. Tons of overtime, it's nice on pay day but hard on the home life. Hence the reason for being on wife number 2.

One of these days the wife and I will be bowhunting the wild WV.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 18, 2003, 05:35 AM:

Well when you decide to,I can take you to the strip jobs in Wyoming county where the big boys roam.It's bowhunting only in Wyoming county,but you probably already know that.There are 3 other counties in the state with bowhunting only.

Heck,there are some real nice bucks in pocahontas where I rifle hunt,but nothing like the bow only counties.Those deer are monsters.

You can e-mail me when you decide to go.What do you do for a living anyhow ?

[ May 18, 2003, 05:37 AM: Message edited by: Seldom Ever ]

Posted by Maineiac (Member # 21) on May 18, 2003, 06:30 AM:

I work for the U.S. Customs Service.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 18, 2003, 06:35 AM:

Well, do you guys auction off any hunting type contraband, hehehehe ?

Posted by Maineiac (Member # 21) on May 18, 2003, 06:44 AM:

Most all firearms are destroyed. But vechiles are another story. They are auctioned off. I know they are some good deals to be had.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 18, 2003, 06:54 AM:

How good are the deals ? What kinda money for 4 wheel drives are they asking ?

Posted by Maineiac (Member # 21) on May 18, 2003, 08:54 AM:

It is an auction. There are a lot of varibles. Like how many people are bidding, how many attendies, remote bidding, sealed bidding( submit a letter with bid). That kind of stuff.

Posted by Seldom Ever (Member # 185) on May 18, 2003, 08:56 AM:

Ahhh,I wouldn't know how to act at one of those! Probably scratch my butt and wind up buying a fleet of cadillacs or something [Big Grin]

Posted by Maineiac (Member # 21) on May 18, 2003, 08:57 AM:

I know of 40-60,000 $ cars going for 5-10,000 $ It is pennies on the dollar. I guess it depend on how bad whoever wanted it, and how bad they wanted it.

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