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Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on April 05, 2003, 05:56 PM:
I know we have some very experienced coyote callers in this forum, so I think I can ask this and get some answers. Have you ever seen a look (anger, suprise, proud etc) on a coyotes face? If so please explain. Some people say this is not true ( it's called anthropmorphising) I have personally seen looks on there faces and I don't care what those biologist say, Good Hunting.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 05, 2003, 06:27 PM:
Okay, what is the expression on the face of the Huntmasters' coyote at the top of the page? LB
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on April 05, 2003, 06:39 PM:
Inquisitive? ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Leonard you know what I mean, you've seen it many times, ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Good Hunting.
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on April 05, 2003, 09:10 PM:
Yes, once I had a territorialish Kaut come stomping his front feet hard, high stepping left to right. Every hair on the back was bristled up and he was showing me his teeth. He was only about 15 feet way when he came into view. He spookified me, So I shot him in the eye!
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on April 05, 2003, 09:16 PM:
...and once while I was elk hunting and taking care of business, I looked up to see a big fat doe invading my privacy. She wouldn't go away, for crying out loud. "Go on, get of here", I thought, but she just stood there with this really stupid, confused look on her face. She just kept staring at me and turning her head from left to right.
(sorry, I realize you asked about coyote faces but this deer expression, I'll never forget)
Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on April 05, 2003, 09:28 PM:
Yes, I have seen the look change from whats for dinner to OOOOOOOOs**t when they realise that they have been fooled and they are now the hunted. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
I've also witnessed an adult male posturing to show his domanance, then twist his head in confution when I bark to stop him.
I've also seen their eyes bug out of their head when they know they are about to die.
Yes, I do think they exibit facial changes.
Smote the Yote
Slydog
Posted by Bryan J (Member # 106) on April 05, 2003, 10:32 PM:
I know I have implied a facial expression change when calling coyotes in another thread. To be honest it is this change that keeps me going. I only notice it on the ones that get really close, and I see it more in their eyes than on their face.
I should also mention, that my partner says I get an interesting look on MY face when I spot an incoming coyote.
Posted by Purple220 (Member # 173) on April 05, 2003, 10:35 PM:
The expression on the coyote from last week will forever stay in memory. I had called about two minutes and saw a yote coming up the canyon. I lip sqweaked a little and the yote came up on my left side out of the canyon about 25 yards from me. The expression was similar to the cartoon with Wiley right before he gets blown up, one of those sad frowns. He was busted and knew it. To say the least the fur flew !!!
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on April 06, 2003, 03:19 AM:
Purple.I think he knew who was behind that purple vapormatic.
Posted by Ernest Sandoval (Member # 156) on April 06, 2003, 03:40 AM:
I seen the facial, that 20t-n-t said, but I wonder what it is when, the bullet buzzes pass him, and I miss. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on April 06, 2003, 09:21 AM:
I saw a pair of coyotes locked up one time. It looked like the expression on the male coyote was suggesting "WHO'S YOUR DADDY?"
~SH~
Posted by Terry Hunter (Member # 58) on April 06, 2003, 03:12 PM:
Several facial expressions have been noticed even the oh sh*t expression on a few.
Posted by varmit hunter (Member # 37) on April 06, 2003, 04:51 PM:
The one I see most often is, That old man can't hit sh%t.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2003, 06:37 PM:
The one I may never forget is one that jumped up in front of me, and froze. No expression whatsoever, while I did the slow motion; his nose about two feet from the end of the barrel.
I couldn't believe he stood his ground, and it was pure hell moving that slowly. We had eye contact for what seemed about a minute, but he didn't even gulp. I mean, yeah, he quivered a little when he fell, but that was understandable.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 06, 2003, 06:41 PM:
I started off this past season by hopwling a group of five to right in front of me. I was in my ghillie and panned from one to the other thru my scope the entire thime they came toward me. I finally settled on whacking the middle coyote and had him dead in my sights. He stopped and just stood there looking through me for the source of all that howling. To this day, I can see very clearly the instant in time when he realized that the one-eyed cedar tree in front of him wasn't. His eyes went from that typical just-doin'-my-own-thing-relaxed look to wide-eyed and dilated. I bet that's what you mean when you say the oh %#&( look, huh? I've had several occasions with both coyotes and bobcats when they come in close, look through you, then make eye contact. Their face undergoes a very distinct change in expression at that point.
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on April 06, 2003, 09:48 PM:
Cdog, I know you know what I'm talking about.... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
but I have never seen a smart bobcat' or one that makes expressions. Coyotes yes, bobcats no? hehehe, Good Hunting.
Posted by moses man (Member # 76) on April 06, 2003, 09:49 PM:
Ahhh yes the o s--t look , i have seen it alot . called in a female back in september ,she came in on my left about 20 yrds away , when i tried to lift my rifle she looked right at me , i waited and she walked right in front of me , i shot her at 8 yrds when she was crossing in front of me . as i lifed the rifle i barked , when i looked thru the scope all i saw was a set of wide open eyes . ( the oh s--t look ) .
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 07, 2003, 11:12 AM:
OC-
I never said they were smart. How much brains does it take to see a camo'd finger wigglin' and go TO it rather than away? As far as expressions, sure they do. On several occasions, I've seen them doing the, as I said, looking through me kinda thing, then all of a sudden you see their eyes get wider open. In some cases, this is immediately followed by them looking casually to one side or the other and then slowly work their way to about ten yards away, then run like hell. I love it when they do that. If they knew how to whistle, they'd be doing so for sure. In one particular instance, the cat made eye contact, his little amber eyes bulged for a split second then he arched his back and gave me this wicked hiss. We were about ten feet from one another, and I reached up and pulled my hood down to show my face, said "Boo!" at him and he made hay they hey outta there.
Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on April 07, 2003, 11:37 AM:
Gentelmen,
There is one other facial expression that I left out.
Its the HA HA HA look. It comes when you pull up your gun, have a coyote at 20 yards, pull the trigger and hear "CLICK". That sound will haunt you for a long time and its even worse if there is a witness.
Funny thing about coyotes, I went back the next day to the same spot, used the same calls and the HA HA HA coyote came back to smile at me one last time. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Hence, the old addage: who laughs last laughs longer. Point in fact.
Slydog
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on April 07, 2003, 11:39 AM:
Cdog, I'll have to pay more attention to those cats from now on. I have seen bobcat eyes bulge out before....all the way out of the sockets. I can hunt at night, so now and then we will get a "between the golden eyes" shot and that's when the above happens. The only predator I can remember making facial expressions are coyotes, I guess I never paid much attention to the bobcats, badgers, gray fox, etc. Interesting, Good Hunting.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 07, 2003, 03:40 PM:
It never fails that when we have a coyote up close, we only seem to be able to focus on one sense at a time. We SEE the coyotes eyes bulge for the "oh ^@&*" look, but have you heard it? "It" is that sudden rushing sound as the coyote sucks a large amount of air up his ass. It only lasts a fraction of a second since it's usually followed closely by a sudden tightening and locking up of the sphincters thereabouts. That sudden increase in internal pressure no doubt makes the coyote's eyes bulge momentarily. Kinda like that slanty eyed smirk they get when the air's going the other way. Which reminds me of a funny that happened during family dinner last night. My 4 y/o daughter lets loose a very commendable, well, uh, you know. Everyone looks at her as she looks sheepishly around the table.
"What do you say when you do that?", I asked, fully expecting her to excuse herself. But no. She looks to her left, points at her mother, and say, "Mommy did it." Trained her right good. And she never cracked so much as a smile until the rest of us broke up laughing. Screw the world. Life's all about kids.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 07, 2003, 03:43 PM:
Oh damn! I worked so hard to become an Advanced Goonygoohoo and now I've been demoted to member.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2003, 03:58 PM:
Yeah, this will be a classless society, for the time being. I could make a special catagory for you, though. What do you think of "Lance the Writer"?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on April 07, 2003, 04:14 PM:
Onecoyote,
That two headed coyote you called that time, Did both faces have same expression on em?
Posted by Lil'dawg (Member # 165) on April 07, 2003, 09:07 PM:
Until I kill a yote I won't have any stories but I have seen some coons do some strange things. The wierdest thing we ever saw was one landed in a shallow creek after I shot him and he wrapped his paws around a root and held himself under water and drowned himself instead of coming up and fighting our dogs.(we had 1 grown & 3 pups)
He had an unforgetable expression as he looked at us and us at him while he drowned himself.
[ April 07, 2003, 09:10 PM: Message edited by: Lil'dawg ]
Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on April 07, 2003, 09:25 PM:
Just in case ya'll didn't know from the way he spells dog, Gene's from Georgia, you've now been warned.
Smote the Yote
Slydog
Posted by Maineiac (Member # 21) on April 08, 2003, 11:48 AM:
So how is lil bawh wawh?
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 08, 2003, 12:03 PM:
Leonard,
I much prefer "The writer previously known as Lance", if it's all the same. Don't much matter what my title is - I'm called worse daily any old way.
Posted by Lil'dawg (Member # 165) on April 08, 2003, 10:47 PM:
I'm just peachy there Tom, thanks fer askin'.
(get it? Georgia, peaches,peachy)
Hey T-N-T it's dawg not dog. Also frawg, hawg, lawg. Am I gonna have ta learn ya'll evethang.
Posted by 20t-n-t (Member # 46) on April 08, 2003, 11:28 PM:
I see your SHORT tempered also. Its ok, but I still want to know what horizontaly impaired means.
slydog
Posted by Curt2u (Member # 74) on April 09, 2003, 08:18 AM:
I think the facial expressions of many humans can be quite comical while calling. The human "oh sh!t" look put's the coyotes to shame. LOL
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