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pup
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posted March 19, 2003 01:45 PM
I went to Phoenix, and refreshed some acquaintances over the past few days, and left with some new friends.
I traveled 15 1/2 hours on Friday, arrived in Phoenix at 9:30 pm. I got the pregnant wife and 3 1/2 year old daughter checked into the motel. I received a call from Rich Higgins making sure I had arrived safely(what a great guy).
Rich picked me up at a quarter to six the next morning. That is where the learning begins, I came out to learn something so I paid attention to as many details as I could about the way Rich and Tyler handled themselves during the day. From the way he drove to the way he picked a stand etc. Man do I have alot to learn. I was amazed at the way Tyler and Rich nonverbally communicate, I guess you develope that sense after you hunt with your dad from the age of a year and a half. One thing about "sleepy" , he knows the tendancies of coyotes, and he has a great teacher at his fingertips. I am in need of some practice in the full use of my diaphram.
We called in three coyotes on saturday , I got two of them on film. Both would of been kills, if that were the objective.
The next thing that I was to learn is that even though you say you live in Phoenix you are closer to Tucson, lol. not really Matt.
We went to W@W house and had some of the finest BBQ that I have had, mess on the secrets of howling, I want his secret receipe for BBQ sauce man was that awesome, Matt thanks for the dinner and the take home sauce. After dinner I bored the natives with some footage that I had gathered.
On Sunday Rich and Tyler had other commitments and Robb graciously took me out for you guessed it more instruction. You know I never sat in a spot all weekend that I didn't think would produce a coyote, all though not all did, I thought that all should.
Anyhow Robb took me out and we messed with some native callers on the first stand, with that stand being a bust we moved on down the road.
Now the weather was a bit tropic, as it would spit on us every now and then, which is a beautiful thing in a dry climate. On the next stand we sat down Robb proceed with his series and He called up one that came in behind us at 35 yds, I let the triple duece fly and Robb grinned and continued with the music and I be danged if another coyote didn't come in. I shot that one too, at 56 yds. A double, Well I could call it a day right there, but we didn't. I must add that it was a full moon over the weekend, if any weren't aware, and it is late in the year as far as numbers go. Not exactly the best time of year to get very many.
The next stand is my turn. Don't you just hate that It is kinda like giving a speech to somebody you don't know, and if you don't get one in you look like an idiot, and to my ear Rich and Robb sound like finely tuned instruments in the hands of a skilled musicans and I well, I pretty much just kinda of sing along. Well it was my turn so off I go. I got one up (pretty close) , but we didn't get him shot, but we sent him on his way Okie style with lead and smoke in the air. lol.
I then got a course on skinning, I think I made a "B" lol. and I got a great view of some Az. countryside. You know sometimes you meet a person and they are exactly the way you envisioned them.
thanks guys and Mrs. W@W, for the great time and hospitality, I have alot to practice now. I hope that you have made a new friend as I feel that I have made some new friends. I will be seeing you in the fall or rather early winter. If you are ever in the area, or just want to come out just holler.
Thanks again for your time and lessons, they won't go to waste.
later pup/Jim
I did not mention what I learned about howling from Rich as I am not in the position to defend my statements at this time.
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posted March 19, 2003 03:49 PM
Thanks Pup, my wife and kids enjoyed the heck out of your family. Youngest daughter had a fit when we told her Tyler and Rich went home. She was having a blast w/ him. We thorougly enjoyed your company.
My wife and I agreed, next time you guys come out, screw the motel, stay with us. (Onis too) As long as you guys don't mind staying in BFE as Rich so eloquently described. hehe.. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
And don't down-play your video footage. I still chuckle everytime I think of "the Blair Coyote Project".
BTW, the sauce is a family secret, but like I told you, those jars have free refills. Just let me know when you run out.
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posted March 19, 2003 06:11 PM
I'm jealous PUP,
I chated with Rich Monday and got His version, LOL, I liked yours very much and they were very close. Rich, Tyler and W@W are guys that I would like to spend a few days huntin with. For me what makes the hunt, besides shootin coyotes, Is the people that you spend your time with. I've not had the plesure of meeting any of the guys YET,But I hope to and soon. I seem to learn something everytime I hunt with someone new.
From the sounds of things you had a good trip. I'm glad for ya.
Later / Slydog
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posted March 19, 2003 07:31 PM
If you feel like e-mailing what you learned, I'm dave@rmvh.com. Won't make you defend anything, I promise ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
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Leonard
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posted March 19, 2003 08:23 PM
I also talked to Rich. He explained to pup, the exact meaning of the 127 known coyote vocalizations, and regional variations, and to answer with a yip-group howl, or a yip warning bark, or a yip-interogation howl....depending.
Good hunting. LB
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posted March 19, 2003 09:13 PM
Pup's visit was a little different than the way it reads. Pup's a big bear of a man, very comfortable with himself which makes you comfortable with him. Besides being good company he's a very experienced caller which is obvious from the footage on the good video he filmed and was kind enough to donate to me. He has the enthusiasm for calling that makes a windy day under a full moon during denning season with hikers, bikers and horsetrailors busting our stands alot of fun.(If anyone can think up any other excuses I would be grateful. I only called in 3 coyotes on 7 stands.) We showed him a couple of things that we do a little differently that he's going to work with. Dave, come down and bring your camera. Leonard, you're just full of oats(processed) lately. You should come over and work off some of that orneryness. I've invited you before, Slydog. If you do come down we will pick up W@W over in BFE and call some of his critters.
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posted March 20, 2003 03:01 PM
He also taught me how to tell exactly what it was that brought the coyote in, just by looking into his eyes. Some kinda Jedi Mind trick.
Seriously though, I'll call w/ anyone that comes out. I may even be convinced to come out to the "Rich" end of town. After all, I've still got to see the cow in action. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Pup, I've been hanging out w/ Robb and talking w/ Rich for some time now, and I always learn something new everytime I go out. If they don't teach me, the coyotes we call in do.
I've got to get out and scout some honey holes to pay Robb back for all the one's he's shown me.. hehe..
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posted March 21, 2003 06:50 AM
W@W, Yeah, I had to swear an oath, or ride around with a blindfold.
I learn something new everyday.
You guys get a chance to come up, come on and I'll try to return the favor.
later pup
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posted March 21, 2003 07:49 AM
Pup. I know you had a good trip. I turned green reading about it. After driving 15 1/2 hours you have made me feel a little guilty. So guilty I am going to divulge one of my Most Secret, Secrets. There are two secrets. The other will go to my grave with me, And stay there millions of years after I am dust( I'll bet Leonard cant figure that one out).
Instead of driving so far. Just before making a stand. I call the Guru on my cell phone. I then suspend the phone dead center of my chest. Rich chants incantations directly into my chest. Mystical sounds flow from my call. Coyotes bound forth with total abandon. It seems if there only purpose is to have a spiritual relation with a 75 gr V-Max.
No need for the rest of you to try this. The line will be busy.
Super secret II, is so secret. My computer has a program that will not let me print it.
Pup, Glad you had such a wonderfull trip. When I win the Texas Lotto. I am going to bring all of you down . Well except for DAA. He shoots to damn good.
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posted March 21, 2003 10:55 AM
varmit hunter,
I think that you have got it. I mean on both the "force is with you" and the cell phone.
Technology is far enough that we could technically have Rich with us on every stand.
I followed the line of thinking of some of those here that "questioned" everything and the only thing that wasn't questioned was studies done with radio telemetry. We could get the ADC to collar all the coyotes , then we could get Rich to locate them on the grid, tell us where to sit, and to call the appointed number and he could then call the stand and monitor the movement of the coyotes at the same time. This would also give us a true unquestionable study on the effects of different howls. This would also help with the ADC as they would just have to locate the dens in the spring and put a chip( collars would need adjusted) on each pup. Better yet if the Adc had their own satelite and ray gun, they could just control the population at the end of each season as needed.
?????where in the crap did all that come from, talk about no fun, yes I am on my way to wash out my mouth and sit in the corner. Where I will contemplate the error in my ways. lol..
just a laugh
later pup
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posted March 21, 2003 01:29 PM
Late this past summer, I was out doin' some howlin' and I bumped this big brown coyote from a ditch and watched him go into a field of standing milo. The angle was bad for me so I exited, circled the section and made my apporach from a more calling-friendly direction. I knew he was in there, but couldn't get him to come in. I had my cell on my hip and actually considered calling Rich for some man-on-the-spot advice.
And, pup, you post made me think of a Bass Pro catalog I saw yesterday, on the cover of which was this gadget that Humminbird makes now that looks like a portable DVD player and a bathtub toy. You put the "unmanned drone" on your pond and control it from the control stick mounted with the LED screen. This thing's a fish locator for use by people who fish from the dock or the shoreline. Shows some guys standing there with his young son showing him how inept you can be as an outdoorsman and still have fun. What a waste. If ya need something like that to find fish, you're so stupid, you don't even know HOW to fish.
Does anyone know of something like this for locating coyote? Wouldn't it be nice to have an RC plane with a FLIR camera mounted on that you could fly out over the place you want to hunt and locate/identify any coyotes in the area without having to waste your precious time with just plain old tryin' first?
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posted March 21, 2003 04:51 PM
Does anyone know of something like this for locating coyote? Wouldn't it be nice to have an RC plane with a FLIR camera mounted on that you could fly out over the place you want to hunt and locate/identify any coyotes in the area without having to waste your precious time with just plain old tryin' first?
I admit that I have daydreamed about being towed behind a truck in a parasail. LB
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posted March 21, 2003 09:50 PM
Maybe you could rent one of those military RC spy planes.They ARE called "predator" drones you know.
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posted March 25, 2003 06:00 AM
pup: "I followed the line of thinking of some of those here that "questioned" everything and the only thing that wasn't questioned was studies done with radio telemetry."
I followed the mentality of some of those here that never question the logic behind others theories. Now I know that when a coyote stops at 50 yards and will come no further, it's a result of being outside the "core area". Heck, and here I thought a coyote simply stopped at a particular vantage point to determine the source of the sound. Silly me!
To think that I once believed that most adult coyotes spend most of their days well within their territories where they couldn't hear the calls unless the caller was also within their territory.
I guess the fact that roughly 60% of the population being pups is irrelevant to this new found territorial behavior.
I'm so glad I have finally seen the light!
I guess we all have "alot to learn".
~SH~
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posted March 25, 2003 07:59 AM
Why Hello Wiley E--
There is that wonderful agitator that we have all grown to love. I wonder how many times you have been compared to that little ball in the can of spray paint.
I am glad that you can take a jab now and then. ![[Confused]](confused.gif) If you didn't notice there was a just for laughs note at the end.
I have come to the conclusion that I must of done one of three things to you in a former life.
#1. Slap the everloving crap out of you.
#2. Messed around with your woman.
#3. Stole your thesis on coyote behavior at Acme U.
I have don't feel the need to go into your circular questioning again. However I will show your circular reasoning therory, or Questioning behaviors to you.
Wiley E-Now I know that when a coyote stops at 50 yards and will come no further, it's a result of being outside the "core area".
This statement is made refering back to my original post , wherein you were questioning whether or not I had a clue about what a coyote looked like.
Wiley E.-Heck, and here I thought a coyote simply stopped at a particular vantage point to determine the source of the sound. Silly me!
Now I know that this is where the spit hits the ground and wonderful quotes are made. But does the coyote really have the vantage point?
A coyote that stops at 50 yds is not in the advantage unless, it is on the other side of a brushy creek that is on the edge of that coyotes core area, which the coyote knows will make him/her hard to spot, from my vantage point. Then that coyote has the advantage/or rather a vantage point.
See what I mean?
Regardless, Scott it was good to hear from you.
later pup
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posted March 25, 2003 05:31 PM
Scott, invite pup up to SD. He has gun, will travel. Your personal charm will win him over, not to mention your skill, which will astound him!
Good hunting. LB
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posted March 25, 2003 11:52 PM
Hey pup,
If your ever in my neck of the woods or lack there of, I would consider it an honor to have you help me hunt some Idaho dogs. I have over a hundred and thirty thousand acres of private ground that I have soul hunting rights to and yesterday I may have added another 15 thousand to that. If you ever want to come up and hunt just e-mail me or give me a call.
E-mail: ravenarr1@aol.com
Cell # 208 841-5554
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posted March 26, 2003 06:54 AM
South Dakota??!!?? Someone lives in South Dakota ?? Another blonde moment brought to you by Clairol! I just gotta tell ya something, when I decided to pack my jeep up and drive to Montana and back, South Dakota was the state that I fell in love with the most! If I ever win the lottery or come into some money, I will be back to that state in a heart beat! Oh, Wiley E, I'm just sick I tell ya, sick, green, envious and all that stuff ![[Frown]](frown.gif) ! I left my heart in South Dakota!
Light Dawned on Marble Head,
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posted March 26, 2003 06:58 AM
20t-n-t,
Thanks for the invite, I would love to come up and hunt with you, I will e-mail you and also give you a call, so that we can start scheduling a date. I believe the honor will be all mine though. My wife has family somewhere in Idaho, so I don't think that it will be too hard to persuade her. lol.
Leonard,
I hope that I do not come across as portraying, that Wiley doesn't know how to eradicate coyotes. I know that there are things that I can learn from Wiley, if presented in the right environment. I hate for Wiley to change the way he posts now, as that would not be his character. Sometimes he comes across as wiping with 34grit paper, but as I am learning , tact is somewhat of a pipedream when communicating with him. I would like an invite, as that would be awesome!!
later pup
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posted March 26, 2003 08:32 AM
Turn the tables Pup, a dog fights best in his own backyard, remove the advantage from wileys offer, and have him come and hunt some of your Okie coyotes:) You give that little fart the upper hand and hunt his country, his way, and I think it would be like tying two cats tails together and throwing them over a clothesline:):)I would want him in MY backyard, thus removing the constricts of you having to get along with him, but him having to get along with you! Hell who knows, you might end up getting along:)
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posted March 26, 2003 08:53 AM
pup,
I just love the way you have assumed the moral high ground here. LOL!
Let me see if I have this correct, it's OK to throw a harmless jab now and then but a harmless response to a harmless jab now and then is not OK?
Is that the new ground rules?
pup: "There is that wonderful agitator that we have all grown to love."
"agitator".....I like that!
I'm sure "theory challenges" can get agitating.
"We" have all???
Am I to assume that YOU BELIEVE you speak for all forum readers?
My private emails would suggest otherwise.
I must have missed the election. Oh well, you get my vote for forum spokesperson because along with leadership comes accountability for statements and that's certainly what I am after.
yup, you guessed it, another harmless jab in response to your harmless jab.
Don't ya hate it when that happens?
pup: "I have come to the conclusion that I must of done one of three things to you in a former life."
Why would I be surprised that you have reached yet another false conclusion?
Oops, did it again!
pup: "I have don't feel the need to go into your circular questioning again."
I can understand that, not everyone has the level of self confidence necessary to allow their coyote calling theories to be publicly scrutinized.
Wiley E (previous): "Now I know that when a coyote stops at 50 yards and will come no further, it's a result of being outside the "core area"."
pup (in response): "This statement is made refering back to my original post, wherein you were questioning whether or not I had a clue about what a coyote looked like."
Pup, please provide the statement that will back this allegation. Show us where I was "questioning whether or not you had a clue what a coyote looked like". Prove to us that you don't just make this stuff up as you go.
The posts are still there.
Let's see if this dog will hunt.
No unrelated statements, now! You made the allegation, now back it up!
pup: "But does the coyote really have the vantage point?"
Or could it be that the coyote simply stopped at this particular spot simply to determine the source of the sound?
If I remember correctly, research has shown that coyotes can detect the origination of a sound to within 30' at a half mile. My observations of occasionally calling one series on a stand then watching coyotes respond, would suggest that this theory is "fairly close" to accurate in "many" situations IN THIS AREA UNDER THESE CONDITIONS.
Or could it be that this particular coyote simply stopped when he "SAW" what appeared to be the source of the sound?
As Vic has pointed out, and he is correct, a coyote uses their eyesight last in many hunting situations to determine their prey. Kudos to Vic on that observation I might add. I have also seen where they doubted their eyes but trusted their hearing. Under most situations, they almost never doubt their nose.
pup: "A coyote that stops at 50 yds is not in the advantage unless, it is on the other side of a brushy creek that is on the edge of that coyotes core area, which the coyote knows will make him/her hard to spot, from my vantage point. Then that coyote has the advantage/or rather a vantage point."
Who said anything about the coyote not being "in the advantage"?
You really do make some of this stuff up as you go don't you?
What I said was, "I thought a coyote simply stopped at a particular vantage point to determine the source of the sound."
I would love to hear you back your "core area" theory on why this particular coyote stopped where it did.
Consider:
1. 60% of most coyote populations are non territorial pups and yearlings.
2. Adult coyote territories change seasonally based on hunting pressure, prey availability, coyote population, weather, etc.
3. According to numerous radio telemetry studies (proof) most territorial adult coyotes spend their days well within their territories. With that in mind, wouldn't it be safe to assume that in "MANY" cases you would probably have to be within their territory for them to hear the sound in the first place?
Sorry for being logical!
So come on pup, step up to the plate and defend your "core area" theory.
Before you question my motive for challenging you, let me save you the time. If you prove me wrong, I learn something in the process. If you prove me right, you learn something in the process. Either way, everyone else learns something in the process or reassures themselves of something they already believed.
That, my friend, is my only motive for asking.
It's been enjoyable exchanging pleasantries with you again pup!
Have a wonderful day!
Crow Woman,
I'm glad you liked S.D. Our official tree is the REA pole. LOL!
The next time you drive through S.D., take hwy 44. With the exception of some of the man made sights on the reservations, that is where you learn to appreciate the beauty of S.D. Hwy 44 certainly beats the bare pastures and crops along I-90. The Cheyenne River valley, the Badlands loop, and the Missouri River at Chamberlain are probably the highlights of I-90 for most people.
A friend of mine is a highway patrolman. He stopped someone once and they asked when they would be getting out of the Badlands when they hadn't even gotten to the Badlands yet. LOL!
Leonard,
Do I detect a note of sarcasm? LOL!
Your invitation is still there Leonard.
Surprised that you would know so much about me from such a short visit in Globe?
I usually save my judgement of anyone for when I meet them in person. I don't put much stock in computer evaluations anymore because I have been proven wrong so many times.
Nasa is a classic example. I have met few people that were as friendly and accomodating in person and I would never have gathered that from his posts. Let me explain, in his posts it appeared that his expectations would be high. That was not the case. He was appreciative just to have someone take the time to teach his son about coyotes and coyote calling knowing that success would come at a day of the coyote's chosing and not ours.
So much for computer evaluations.
~SH~
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posted March 26, 2003 09:24 AM
Az: "Turn the tables Pup, a dog fights best in his own backyard, remove the advantage from wileys offer, and have him come and hunt some of your Okie coyotes:)"
Why does so much of what you say always relate to fighting?
Is that how you usually deal with those people that don't exactly fit your mold of how you think others should be ON A COMPUTER?
Az: "You give that little fart the upper hand and hunt his country, his way, and I think it would be like tying two cats tails together and throwing them over a clothesline:)"
Little fart huh?
Ok, little fart it is!
You sure are better at dishing it out than you are at taking it aren't you? LOL!
Why would it be like tying two cats tails together and throwing them over a clothesline?
Don't tell me you were one of those kids that actually used to do that.
Az: "I would want him in MY backyard, thus removing the constricts of you having to get along with him, but him having to get along with you! Hell who knows, you might end up getting along:)"
I already fed the ravens in your back yard.
Talk to Joe Melton from Yuma sometime about our calling expedition. He's trapped and called coyotes for many years. A great guy. I think he's even on the Az game commission now.
It sure was different not seeing them come from a further distance in many cases and having to shoot them at closer range, I'll certainly grant you that. We did ok for the short time I was there.
From what I hear, your a pretty good shot Vic. I suppose calling in areas of heavier cover would require some pretty good shooting.
Have a good one Vic!
~SH~ (i.e. "little fart")
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posted March 26, 2003 09:34 AM
Wiley, I'm very glad you have a thick skin and are in command of what is USUALLY impeccable logic FOR YOUR AREA.LOL. The board quiets down way too much when you're not around.
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posted March 26, 2003 09:50 AM
BigBark and Littlefart on Arizona calling safari.
Good Grief!!! Sounds like a good title for a book.
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posted March 26, 2003 10:48 AM
Wiley E-
My bad. I do not speak for the board, nor did I intend to. I am sorry Leonard.
I do feel honored that you and your buddies are talking about me behind my back via email. I must of touched a nerve when I didn't roll over and wet myself when approached by you.
Your other questions are just bunk questions, and in which and through which, in your great teaching manner, which has thousands flocking to hear one of your great oracles, you imply whether or not I have a clue.
As I have stated I'm not going down that road again. I'm not learning from it, and your not teaching.
Figure out another method and get a little tact and then we'll give it a shot.
You stated that the coyote had the vantage point. I questioned whether he did or not.
The dictionary describes vantage as having the advantage.
I dont think that a coyote that stops broadside in the open while I have my gun ready as having the vantage point.
NOw on the other hand , the coyote in whose territory I was in , that stopped on the edge of the creek, at the edge of his/her, core area. Core area being in that coyotes territory. That coyote had the vantage or rather advantage.
Once again Wiley, I don't have anything to prove,or sell. Our whole relationship had been established on, and exists of, you questioning my question, and belittling my abilities? I don't get it. I am begining to think that there is no means to resolve the matter.
I'll tell you what , either you come down or invite me up so that we can settle this face to face. That way if we don't get it worked out and find some way for us to properly communicate, then we'll let the one speaking from the ground be determined as the looser, and will forever be declared as wrong. Fair enough?
AZ, I did offer to have Scott come down. He scoffed at me, by belittling my abilities.
Rich Cronk,
Are you making light of my effort, to learn more about coyotes and thanking the guys for the trip?
later pup
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