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Topic: Mojave Preserve
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walt
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posted March 16, 2003 01:59 AM
Leonard, read a post in the Cat Forum by you, about no hunting of predators in the Mojave
Preserve. Is this something you have herd or read
lately. Hope not, this is a area I was going to try hunting. Went out there last year with my
son in law, and as we pulled up to the dry lake and was geting our rifle's out of the truck I looked over and her comes this coyote up to the truck, I guess to see who's in his territory.
Came up to about 20 feet from us.
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onecoyote
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posted March 16, 2003 07:34 AM
Walt, I heard such stories about closing predator hunting in the so called perserve going around last year, I don't know what happed though this would not surprise me at all. What we may need here is another civil war....The land...gun grabbing...liberals vs true freedom seeking Americans. ![[Mad]](mad.gif) Personally I'm tired of having my rights taken from me...but the scarey part is our young people (don't even know what they have lost and they are the future), scarey huh!!! ![[Frown]](frown.gif) Nowadays, in our once great state almost everything is against the law, so.....WELCOME TO THE SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIA and Good Hunting if you can find a place to do it? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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20t-n-t
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posted March 16, 2003 09:24 AM
Onecoyote,
I have no idea about the closure but I do know what we have to do about the young people. Take them hunting, fishing, camping, calling predators, hell take them for a walk in the woods but do something to get them off the video games and out of the house. We can't bitch about our kids if we don't activly seek them out and introduce them to the things we love so much. We have the knowlage to teach them about nature and the great outdoors and I feel we all have an obligation to pass this understanding and knowlage down to them.
I do this all the time and the rewards are greater than I can explain in words. Not everyone can do this on the same level that I do but everyone can do it one kid at a time. It makes a diffrence, it truly does. As the saying goes,
Take a kid hunting so you don't have to hunt for your kid. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Smote the yote
slydog
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20t-n-t
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posted March 16, 2003 09:26 AM
By the way, Hello Walt.
slydog
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Leonard
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posted March 16, 2003 09:49 AM
Hi Walt, I notice that you are almost a neighbor, in Rialto?
First, don't take my word for it, find out from the Park what you can do. I'm just repeating what others have been told; that predator hunting in incompatable with "their" management of the Preserve. I think they can't get away with closing dove and deer hunting, so, just like everything else....it's incremental.
As you know, we have a congressman from that district that is on our side. Supposedly, the deal when they created the Preserve was: NO NET LOSS, TO HUNTING.
I really don't know the exact status, but for sure you will get the CS harrasment if you park on the grass, etc. They have also closed off almost all access and monitor who goes in, and where they go. It seems that they are interested in the Mojave Preserve as a destination for foreign tourists, and don't want to scare them off with gun toting natives slaughtering the wildlife.
A Clinton outrage. Bush has his hands full, but maybe there will be a fair resolve. Southern California has very few areas to recreate without being bothered by dirt bikers and such.
Good hunting. LB
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onecoyote
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posted March 16, 2003 10:04 AM
20t-n-t, I have a 37 year old daughter that lives in Colorado, she knows all about the outdoors. I also have a boy 16 that hunts, fishes and does a little gold prospecting. He has lived almost all his life in the desert and mountians. 20t-n-t, it's NOT our kids I'm worried about. Brain dead moms and dads = brain dead kids that play vido games all day and well soon evolve into one large eye and one finger hehehe, think about that one, ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) Good Hunting.
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Leonard
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posted March 16, 2003 10:12 AM
Whoa, Danny!
You live practically at the front gate into Mojave. What's the deal, pal? I hear that they have the whole place sewed up, tight as a bull's a** in fly season?
Ve haff veys to mak yu talk! LB
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20t-n-t
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posted March 16, 2003 10:49 AM
Danny,
I was not pointing any fingers and I know that all our kids were exposed to hunting and the outdoors. My statment was about all the other kids out there that aren't getting the exposure.
We can make a change in their lives if WE want to.
My statment was that we don't have to only teach our kids, we have to teach others kids too. I was not in any way jumping on you OK.
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Frank
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posted March 16, 2003 05:12 PM
Danny;
I know what you mean and I agree.
If you look at the areas open to night hunting and overlay them with the closures imposed on us in recent years you will see that all the good, productive coyote areas in California have been closed for some time now. It's almost as though the bastards knew our best areas and then closed them to hunting. Combine that with the population growth here in California and it's not hard to see why we are loosing hunting grounds.
Leonard, you talked about incrementalism. That is the tactic used by the anti crowd to get what they want. They know they can't grab every one of our hunting grounds at once so thay have done it a little at a time. Congressman Jerry Lewis of San Bernardino County was one person instrumental in getting a waiver for hunting in the Mojave Preserve when it was created but that has since been undercut by Feinsquat. Liberals are using that same tactic all over the US.
Look at the recent advertising campaign of environmentalitst to have people donate their land to the Nature Consrevancy. As soon as they have control over these privatly donated lands they immediatly make tham off limits to hunting or development.
I think this all stems from overpopulation here in the US. We only have so much land and too much hunting or recreational pressure causes areas to become closed. Look at Yellowstone, California lakes and the Grand Canyon as an example.
Yellowstone has so many visitors that the natural systems are being threatened so you have environmental groups advocating closures....like closing the areas to snow-mobiling. Same with California lakes. There are so many people enjoying watercraft on these lakes that they have banned them. Pollution is their excuse.
Same with the Grand Canyon. Too many people have ruined it so as a result many areas are closed to people. You can't even fly over the area because the environmentalists screamed NOISE POLLUTION!
These are perfect examples of incrementalism. Take a little here and a little there and pretty soon you have the whole kit-and-kaboodle. clinton was real good at that.
The bottom line is that we have too many people putting too much pressure on our natural resources. Why these same bastards keep advocating immigration is beyond me?
We got too many people here already. The bottom line is that as we get more people in this country who are putting more pressure on our resources, you will suffer ever increasing restricions on your freedoms.
Get used to it. Our way of life is slowly comming to an end.
Frank
PS... If you want to stop this trend you have to take steps to control our population levels and that means, in part, to stop immigration. I think this country is big enough already. I'm sick of loosing our freedoms and rights to the world views esposed by the likes of America's liberals.
What? Do we keep growing until we are like China?
PSS.... While I'm at it I may as well relate another experience that has caused me to loose some of my freedoms.
The Mojave River runs from Deep Creek to Barstow. One of the few rivers in the world that runs north.
Years ago, we could drive our four wheelers all the way fromm Deep Creek to Barstow. It was one hell of an exciting adventure. You had to know the river and the sand or you would get stuck. We would make a weekend affair out of the whole thing. We would bring our lawn chairs, BBQ, beer and whatever and have so much fun that you actually enjoyed LIFE! I can remember digging deep pools of water in the sand to that we could bath in the water and cool off in the hot desert sun. We would set up our lawn chairs, BBQ and have a super good time of it. We would even tie boogie boards to the back of the jeep and tow the kids thru the shallow water! We had such a good time that it would be hard to imagine by those who have never been there and done that.
The bastards eventually closed the whole thing to everybody. They claimed that our activities were changing the environment of the river.
Well, what they never mentioned was thet the whole bottom land of the river changes every year as the floods come. The river bottom is never the same from year to year as the floods scour the sands and change the whole thing. That was part of the fun of driving it from Deep Creek to Barstow....you never knew how the river had changed the environment from year to year. It was a new challenge all the time. Yet they used the excuse of our causing a changing the river bottom for banning us from recreating there. What an un-mitigated crock of $hit !
Frankly, I've had some of the best times of my life there and now it is off limits. Seems to me I've lost one of my most treasured and fundamental freedoms. I'll never forgive the bastards that closed this area to everybody.
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onecoyote
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posted March 17, 2003 07:05 AM
20t-n-t, I know you were NOT pointing fingers, I was making a joke with the eye finger thing and letting you know how old I was by telling you my daughters age hehehe. Don't worry guy, I'm always cool unless I have a triple or more of coyotes coming to the stand. Leonard, they do have alot of it shut down, but they didn't get it all YET. Some of the good cat areas are still there, but like Frank said much of the coyote areas are closed down and Frank I didn't even know you couldn't get into Deep Creek untill I went there the other day. It had a big sign that said US GOVERMINT KEEP OUT?? Hunting and fishing is NOT a privledge it's a God given right and I'll be damn if I'll sit back and watch them close what ever they want, it is our land. I have already had a story and my picture on the front page of the paper out here. They know where I stand and many people feel like I do.
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