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Topic: Sceery Calls
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Maineiac
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posted February 22, 2003 06:32 AM
I have read in several places that some of you have lockup or freeze-up with your Sceery calls. Due to the warm temp. here in Northern Maine, I have had to learn how to deal with the Sceery's. The AP-6 is the only Snowshoe hare call that I have found. What I have found is not to blow the call with my lungs or diaphram, I use the air that is my throat and mouth. And gently push the air through the call. With the temps. latley being from -5 to -30 the last 2 months, I have not had a single lock-up or freeze-up. Good luck hunting. Tom
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Wiley E
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posted February 22, 2003 07:48 AM
Good point Maniac.
I find that the tighter the reed is to the mouthpiece, the more they will freeze up.
The old Tally Hoes were worse then the Ed Sceery or Boddicker open reed calls for freezing up.
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[ February 22, 2003, 07:50 AM: Message edited by: Wiley E ]
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Curt2u
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posted February 22, 2003 08:13 AM
Hi Maineiac. I was not aware that the AP-6 was a "Snowshoe Hare" call. I know you can make it sound like one. Sceery does make a specific closed reed Snowshoe Hare though. Can't remember the number right now. I really like all of Sceerys calls except for the AP-6. I have the first original AP-6 but quit using it long ago because it would not make it through a stand without locking up. Once it locked, it was nearly impossible to get going again quickly and silently.
The new AP-6 was slightly better because I could usually get it going again by simply blowing real hard on it. It would make a few weird sounds then start working again. But it's habit of consistently locking still drove me mad. Of course the maker claims that those of us that have problems with this call locking are simply "inexperienced" or "slobber when we call".
The AP-6 is one of the best sounding calls to my ear when it is working. I know several people that have had OK luck calling coyotes with the AP-6. However I have had very poor luck with it. I have called exactly one runt summer pup with it over the last 10 years but admittedly don't use it often. It's lack of effectiveness just baffles me cuz as I said, to my ear it is one of the best sounding calls I've heard when it is working. The coyotes I have around here just won't come to it. I've talked to guys in NM, WA, OR, NV, CA who have had the same experience with this call. Even those that are successful with it complain of the lack of reliability. Needless to say, this call stays home now. I have no use for calls that won't work reliably or call coyotes consistently.
The AP-7 is a different story. This call I simply love! I know some AP-6 lover will be on here proclaiming that they think the AP-7 is the biggest POS they ever used and the AP-6 is the only call that ever worked for them, and I am full of it. That's great. I hope your success continues. I'm just relaying my experience with these calls in my locale. Anyway, I have had outstanding performance with the AP-7. Next to the Critr-Calls it is one of my favorites. Doesn't lock up usually and if it does it is a piece-o-cake to get going again. Pulls duty as a howler when needed and is extremely smooth.
The closed reed Sceerys have worked very well for me calling coyotes but when the weather gets cold they lock all the time also, as all closed reeds do. I know there are ways to keep them working in the cold but why jump through hoops when I can just use an open reed that works all the time.
The big Sceery howler works good but kills my ears and is too cumbersome for my calling style. Don't use it much anymore either.
Hope this helps.
Take care, Curt
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Maineiac
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posted February 22, 2003 08:59 AM
Curt, I know what you mean. The day that I triped over this information. It was -32 when I left my house and they wind was in the 20's. I was haveing a lockup problem in the summer. But it was so cold that day I did not want to take a full breath, the air hurt my lungs. So I blew with the air in my throat and mouth. Ever since I have been blowing on the AP-6 in this way the thing has not locked up once. I have tried blowing on it using my lungs and diaphram and about 50% of the time I get lock-up.
According to Sceery it is their Snowshoe, if not I got jiped. Well, at least on the name of the sound. It is one of my favorite calls(now that I figured out how to call with it).
Take care and Good luck, Tom
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onecoyote
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posted February 22, 2003 10:49 AM
I solved that problem years ago, I don't go when it gets that cold. Good Hunting
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Curt2u
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posted February 22, 2003 12:29 PM
Little clarification. Hope you guys didn't think I meant cold was making the AP-6 lock-up. The cold only adversely effects closed metal reed calls. The AP-6 (which of course is not a closed metal reed call, it is a bite call with plastic reed) locks-up no matter what the temp, no matter how I blow it.
Take care, Curt
[ February 22, 2003, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: Curt2u ]
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Lone Howl
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posted February 22, 2003 01:25 PM
I too used to call in a lot of animals with the Sceery bite call but bite calls in general like to stick because unlike an open reed it has two sides(toneboards) for the reed to stick to.
I know everyone knew that, just wanted to chime in ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Lone Howl
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posted February 22, 2003 01:30 PM
While were sort of on the subject,since the size of the Sceery howler was mentioned, what do you guys think the perfect size ( length,etc) should be for a howler? And what things would you like to see in one( type of reed, mouthpiece)?
Wiley E, chime in here,I remember your discussion with Rich Cronk on this a long time ago,would like your current preferences.
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Rich
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posted February 22, 2003 03:06 PM
Lone Howl,
The serious coyote man wants a howler that can give him lots of volume (read LOUD) when wind is blowing, or he is calling hilly country where sound needs to reach waayyyyy out there. A good howler must have a bell or "funnel" out front to give that volume, and also the bigger sound like adult coyotes have. A cow or buffalo horn of 6"-10" in length with fairly thin walls and a bell out front of 2" to 3" diameter will fill the bill quite nicely. The "voice" needs to be of open reed design in order to give wide variety of sounds when you want them. Everything from really loud puppy squeals, high pitched challenge howls etc. to the low pitched barks and howls of a dominant old coyote should be built in to a really good howler. Sounds like a very large pair of boots to fill don't it? Yes, you are correct but it can be done. With a howler like I just described along with well trained vocal chords, a man could call a lot of coyotes without carrying a bag full of different predator calls. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Lone Howl
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posted February 22, 2003 04:51 PM
Hi Rich, yep I agree.Ive built a couple of cow horn howlers using my mouthpieces and they work real well.Im still messing with turning wood barreled howlers which is my favorite.I am still not settled on a size as far as length and width.Im close though, Im just picky. I dont like a lot of bulk or weight hanging around my neck.
Just trying to get a few opinions from people.
BTW thanks for the mylar a while back, I appreciate it
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Wiley E
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posted February 22, 2003 06:37 PM
What Curt said about AP 6 lock up.
What Curt said about AP 6 sound authenticity.
Good job Curt!
What Rich said about Howlers.
Good job Rich!
Nothing to add other than that with a howler you want a full range of sound with no pitch jumps and no dead spots.
A friend and I are working on just such a mouthpiece that anyone can stick in a horn.
For a commercial howler, I would use a Rich Cronk howler, an Ed Sceery howler, or a Rich Higgins howler.
Seriously! LOL!
I'm still a little gut shot.
~SH~
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