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Az-Hunter
Hi, I'm Vic WELCOME TO THE U.S. Free baloney sandwiches here
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posted February 19, 2003 12:20 PM
Let me throw this against the wall to see if it sticks. I would imagine Im not the only one who tires quickly of the hushed and veiled "secrets" of the masters? Im not sure anyone has a secret that hasn't been done or tried before, just maybe hasn't been thought of by me, or you. I bet I can count on one hand the number of posts that really laid out a tip for beginners, or even for the more experienced. Leonards magic mist is his contribution, Ive given the tip on continuous calling over series, Rich has made mention of his howling tips, although not very detailed. Why in the hell is anyone, afraid to give what they think is a secret tip away????? I sure as hell am not trekking to S.D. to call and kill wileys coyotes, or southern Ca, to bust into Leonards territory, I have all the coyotes I could ever want to call and kill right here. I imagine lots of other guys have all they need in their neck of the woods too. What most new guys want are some simple effective tips to get them started, not cryptic lengthy dissertations on variables..GAWWWWD I tire of that shit! Someone stole my line long ago,"calling and killing coyotes ain't rocket science", and thats the truth, keep it simple, and keep it in generalities. Those of us with experience need to give out the tips freely, instead of constantly remind the rest of the flock that we have a hand full of aces we are not showing. There's only four in a deck fellas,and we didn't make em, someone showed us or we blindly stumbled upon them ourselves.......share with the minions. Fellas come here to glean a tip or two, not listen to us argue who is the big dog. Here's the short list thus far, lets see who can add to it:
#1 Leonards mist, rabbit/coyote urine in misting bottle sprayed to downwind while on stand.
#2 AZs' reccomendation of calling constantly instead of the series method.
#3 Ed Sceerys technique of calling to the downwind instead of conventional wisdom of facing wind
#4 Ahhhhh????? I can't remember seeing any other tips here?
#5 ?
#6?
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pup
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posted February 19, 2003 12:35 PM
I don't know who I heard it from first , but howling at the first of a set. Gets the natural sound out there that can reach a ways, and "without the debate" depending on the presentation, raises other curosities as well.
I also have used the lip squeak only(soley), as soon as the coyote is within hearing distance or what I think is hearing distance given the conditions.
Use the bark to stop, Which with some of the new methods that I have been exposed to has produced some in your face ballistic yotes.
later pup
[ February 19, 2003, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: pup ]
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Dawgkilla
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posted February 19, 2003 12:39 PM
I don't know many tips...but here is one that has worked for me more than once.
You'll need two howlers.
Just before you are ready to leave a set go FREAKIN' nuts on two howlers, alternating each one with "fighting" sounds. Barks, ki-yi's, screaches, short howls.
Seems to convince any coyotes near by that no sane HUMAN could make such a racket, so it has to be dawgs.
Try it!
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Az-Hunter
Hi, I'm Vic WELCOME TO THE U.S. Free baloney sandwiches here
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posted February 19, 2003 12:41 PM
Your in the same book pup, just not the same page:) We all know about the idea of beginning a stand with a howl, and all are familar with lip squeaks et al: tell us about the "new methods" you allude to. Im looking for the tips that are not generally bandied about the boards. Not a pat answer, or a generalization, but an honest to goodness fresh new idea or tip.
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pup
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posted February 19, 2003 12:49 PM
Az-hunter-
I have taken a few beginers form my area that had no clue what I was doing when I went to lip squeaking. Including My good friend and hunting pardner, and he had been calling for a while.
One of the new to me methods was Leonards Magic mist and the other that I eluded to.
Is to wear a camo poncho along with instead of the normal camo. I am not refering to the Gillie suit although it works, personally a little heavy. I am talking about the Burlap camo from wally world with a hole cut in for your head. Totally blobs you out. It is not my idea, but combined with the magic mist it sure does the trick if you want them really close.
Is that what you were after.
later pup
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brad h
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posted February 19, 2003 12:52 PM
Here's something no one told me when I started doing this a little over 2 years ago. I live in wide open caling land, they can usually be seen comming from a long ways away. However with all the big draws and deep washouts, I've learned that coyotes will come as close as they can before exposeing themselves.
They're very good at coming in in stealth, using all available cover, and just appearing out of no where.
This is the type of thing I learned the hard way. All I knew was that they come in to calls. This type of info would have been usefull.
Think about this. How many times have you brought the call down from you're mouth and realized a coyote was standing there watching you. The path of least resistance is often the path of most cover.
I know its diffrent in diffrent parts of the country, but I'll bet they all have this reaction in common, just as they all have the same instinct in common, born with the inctinct of being hunted.
Brad
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Wiley E
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posted February 19, 2003 02:22 PM
Az Hunter: "What most new guys want are some simple effective tips to get them started, not cryptic lengthy dissertations on variables..GAWWWWD I tire of that shit!"
But yet you keep reading it when you wouldn't have to. I don't get it.
Does someone have a gun to your head forcing you to read my posts?
GAWWWD I get tired of the continuous evaluations.
Let's see, a tip!
Ok, I have a tip.
It's better to call intermitantly than continuously because it works more on the natural curiousity instincts of a coyote.
When you call in open country like I do, every time you blow the call, it allows a coyote to pin point your location more exactly and possibly spot you during their approach if you
are skylined or happen to move when they are looking at you. Keep in mind that if you are using hand calls, when you are calling, there is movement that a coyote can spot from a distance.
If you call more intermitandly, it tends to creat more curiosity than the continual noise.
I have done it both ways.
If you call intermitantly, when a coyote happens to get in close and hasn't pinpointed the source of the sound, they will usually look around allowing you to get into position for a shot without being seen.
If you call continually, when a coyote happens to get in close, they are staring right at you making it more difficult to get into shooting position.
Now if you are using an electronic caller with a remote in heavy cover, this situation may be totally different.
Hows that?
Here's another tip. When calling in open country, you need to keep the wind in your back because coyotes will circle downwind of you and get your scent outside of effective gun range for most callers.
I wrote a lengthy post to a fella by the name of
Killah on how to call coyotes in his part of the world when he was having problems.
Leonard, what happened to that post?
Hope this helps!
~SH~
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Az-Hunter
Hi, I'm Vic WELCOME TO THE U.S. Free baloney sandwiches here
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posted February 19, 2003 04:25 PM
No, no real help there wiley. Way to many spelling errors, and factual errors to boot. A rather feeble attempt to kick me in the nuts for my tip, but your shooting spitwads at a battle ship. Last thursday I called one of the big ranches I work over, it is classic "open country", miles of gently rolling grass covered lava beds. Ignorant of me to try, but I called continuously, and I'll be damned if every time I spotted a coyote five hundred yards away, I was quite adept at moving into position to shoot the coyote/coyotes when they reached the 30 yard mark. I'll add they never stopped until I barked or simply stuck their nose in the dirt while moving. Thats what the tip is all about, the excitement level is hightened and manifests itself by having the coyote come from "there to here" without stopping. I will add, that particular morning I called 10 coyotes, shot at seven and killed six of them within a four hour period....all with continuous calling. See, continuous calling stimulates their curiousity and holds it, even elevating it, whereas intermittent(write that down wiley,correct spelling) calling raises and lowers their curiousity, causing them to stop and go and look around. Albiet their eyesight is not the best(20/75 by the accounts of the experts) they have great ability to see movement. If you can keep them coming hard, you can actually get away with a little movement, and trust me, they never see me shift the rifle in their direction while driving hard at several hundred yards. Sounds like your weak area is being in proper shooting position when the party begins? Watch for movement of coyotes way out ther wiley,and fluidly get into shooting position, they will never see it coming, practice some and you'll get the hang of it. In tight country, I would suggest that a mouth caller not call continuous, electronic calls work well in either situation, in the open country that I call continuous calling will put more coyotes on the ground than "series" calling.
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UTcaller
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posted February 19, 2003 04:44 PM
I think that the debate over intermittent v.s continous is purely a personal preference.I have done both over the years and I have had more success with the "series" of calls by far.I try to adhere to Sceery's advise "less is better" when calling.You will call coyotes using either or both methods no doubt about it.Just my opinion.GOOD HUNTING Chad......
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Wiley E
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posted February 19, 2003 04:51 PM
Thanks for the spelling tip Vic.
I never was very good at spelling.
Thanks again!
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Leonard
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posted February 19, 2003 06:15 PM
Well, yes. I have expounded on Magic Mist for a long time, and patiently explained it on numerous occasions. It's a tip, or a gift. If you use it properly, you will kill animals that you haven't been able to kill, previously.
My gift to night hunters is Red Spray Dykem. I'm actually proud if that one because it's my own invention. Not the spray, the application.
I am in 100% agreement with Az on continuous sound, as long as you use electronics, and you set the speaker out away from you and supliment it with hand calls or in my case, diaphrams. Of course, I hunt similiar terrain, so it's understandable that methods would be similiar.
In defense of Wiley, not that he needs my help, but there are little tricks that you keep to yourself, when you reach a certain level. That's not dishonesty, but he's a contest hunter, and so am I. I can understand reserving a few methods. As I said in a different thread, some tips can not be appreciated, or more discouraging, they are disputed, so you loose enthusiasm. If they don't get it anyway, why waste the breath? I completely understand and can't fault him for spilling his guts, but not the last drop.
Good hunting. LB
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catskin
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posted February 20, 2003 10:01 AM
I have an easy tip, I rarely see it mentioned and although it's basic, from my observations it’s ignored by a lot of people using electronic distress calls. See the volume knob? Turn it down, if you can hear it at 100 yards it’s to loud.
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