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Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on April 19, 2019, 08:25 AM:
Due to the stupidity of the Arizona Game and Fish Commission they are considering banning all coyote hunting contests in Arizona. They are considering this hoping the antis won't attempt to ban cat hunting again. The department is asking for feedback from the public right now; and to make matters worse, they allow anyone and everyone to provide input. Anyone in the world with an accessible post office or an email address can provide their opinion. I'm already working with my state senator to get this rule changed because it should be input from Arizona residents ONLY. Please help us stop the stupidity. Please email the Arizona Game and Fish Department at rulemaking@azgfd.gov
Thank You
Aznative
PS I apologized if you are already working on this issue.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2019, 01:31 PM:
This is basic to our Constitution. They decided over 200 years ago to protect the minority from the majority. Suddenly the Liberals have created a false idea that MAJORITY RULES. Fuck you and your interests and your personal issues. We are going to vote away your rights, and smile at you sweetly and tell you that "majority rules" sorry!
If we created a religious sect claiming that our religion compels us to have genital mutilation, we would probably get away with it. If, like some Native Americans claim, they need special mind altering drug, it would be allowed. Same thing with killing the National Bird. The Hopi kill 40 endangered Golden Eagles every year as part of their ritual.
If we had a cult that dictated that we must gather 4 times a year, face the four holy directions and everybody call and kill as many coyotes as possible, this would be allowed. No? Okay, then give up, maybe we can throw horseshoes for glazed donuts?
Just remember, when they impose their will on us, it will be democratic. And for you guys that don't have any interest in contests, sure, it's no skin off your nose. All you trappers out there, pay attention.
Good hunting. El Bee
[ April 19, 2019, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on April 19, 2019, 04:33 PM:
Well put Leonard. I'm not really into contests. I might do one a year. This year I haven't had to clean my rifles at all. Too much other stuff going on. Need to do a bathroom remodel and I wanted to start in February.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 19, 2019, 05:15 PM:
Bear in mind that once the do-gooders get their way, there will be no end to it. Carp shoots, Bass tournaments, Big Buck contests, Boone & Crocket and Pope & Young awards ……………………………..
They will not stop.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 19, 2019, 05:24 PM:
Contests dont bother me at all, but I do think it's a self inflicted wound on the hunting community.
Mark
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on April 21, 2019, 11:20 AM:
I do believe we are sometimes our own worst enemy when we put pictures of our kills on social media. This site is probably not monitored heavily, but facebook and PMS I'm sure give the antis lots of ammo.
Even if you do not care about contests and let this pass, These anti hunting groups will evolve with a new goal in mind once they achieve their current goal on this subject. Why!!! Because this is their day job, and they want the donations to continue. Don't think for a second they will close shop and get a real job.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 21, 2019, 12:15 PM:
It's a combo Disney, enviro, anti fur, and just plain anti hunting. It's the same old theme, we will tell you what to think and what to do because we are CONTROL FREAKS!
Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 23, 2019, 07:23 AM:
Its was a done deal before it ever came out. There will be no stopping it. Might as well accept it. I don't contest hunt much and feel its only the first chip off of the block.
Its not a game and fish issue to begin with. Its a social issue. Commission shouldn't even be considering it.
Between the guys posting inappropriate pictures, hang dead animals on fences and dumping carcass piles beside interstates and roads do you really feel we had a chance? The dumb fucks highly out number the guys with common sense unfortunately.
[ April 23, 2019, 07:24 AM: Message edited by: Brent Parker ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 23, 2019, 10:47 AM:
Can't anybody get a little concerned about people imposing their will on others? Let's just outlaw those crummy Fords! Who needs 'em?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 23, 2019, 01:12 PM:
Sure Leonard I see plenty of shit to be pissed off about on a daily basis. Till the day we go back to killing people cause he just needed killing as a viable defense we are stuck with this bunch of softer, kinder, gentler population we currently have I think we are just fucked. We can bitch and moan all we like and I think it sucks too but its the new shitty norm. Started with smoking. Hell I have never smoked or bitched about it but plenty have, No one ran to their defense. You think hunters have it bad, try being a trapper. Talk about the lowest scum on the planet earth and here that shit from hunters as well. There is no will to help your fellow sportsman anymore. Shit will get serious once they go after the deer and bird hunting. Till then its every group for their self.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 23, 2019, 01:35 PM:
I think you have identified the problem. The deer hunter won’t stick his neck out in support of assault weapons. Duck hunters wouldn’t lift a finger to protect predator hunting and that’s basically how we lost lion hunting in The People’s Republik. Myself, just between you and me, I wouldn’t shed a tear if they confisticated AR’s. I’d be against it for sure but I think we catch a lot of shit over those scary looking rifles. The problem is, the public is ignorant. But they are very willing to restrict YOUR rights.
Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 23, 2019, 02:14 PM:
Agreed!
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 24, 2019, 03:48 AM:
Confiscate AR's ? did I actually read that ? come take mine ! we need to stand together I don't hunt ducks but I support duck hunters , I don't hunt African game but I support big game hunters what the fuck are you actually saying ?
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 24, 2019, 03:50 AM:
Your software still does not recognize the back button !
[ April 24, 2019, 03:51 AM: Message edited by: Paul Melching ]
Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 24, 2019, 05:29 AM:
I was agreeing to the " hunters dont stand together" I have several ARs and one is in an SBR configuration. Favorite 200 yards and in rifle I own.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 24, 2019, 06:36 AM:
I'm not understanding the question, either? Perhaps something was lost in the translation?
Personally, I'm not for any confiscation, but I have stated my opinion about assault weapons a thousand times, more or less. They are ugly and I just don't like them. Nothing against a semi auto rifle, like whatever it is a 7600 or a 742 or a Model 100 Winchester. To my mind, they look sporting and have the advantage of a quick followup shot, in the case of pairs, etc. To me, an AR looks too much like an "Erector Set" if anybody out there is old enough to remember those things?
I can't help it; when it come to a jarring affront to my cosmic mellowness, I'm just like the co-ed that never touched a machine gun in her protected short life. They just look like I'm preparing to invade Viet Nam. That's just me. But I would suppose a lot of the assholes that don't know and don't want to know have that kind of reaction to the black rifle.
Okay, I'm overdoing it. But, I could easily live without an AR. Period. You know, America's rifle?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: I'm sorry about what you think is wrong with my software, Paul. I know it won't help to mention that it works for me.
[ April 24, 2019, 06:38 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 24, 2019, 07:10 AM:
I don't like all the tacticool shit body armor and 12 pounds of shit hanging off an AR but I will defend their right to do so! Assault is an action not a rifle !!!! By the way they operate my Ruger 10 22 would be an evil rifle lol
PS every time I use the back button it repeats my post only here nowhere else ! go figure. I try to remember to scroll up and close the thread but don't
always make it !
[ April 24, 2019, 07:11 AM: Message edited by: Paul Melching ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 24, 2019, 07:43 AM:
Well, you know I'm no help. What I could say is what all the computer nerds say, delete your cookies, etc. Just because something is happening when you view this site doesn't mean there is something corrupted with my software. Computers are fucked up, I have plenty of issues with Google Chrome, for instance. I have something driving me nuts with my email right now but I'm not blaming AOL. It's actually some bug that got into my laptop. The actual problem, in many cases is the warped mind that causes deliberate harm to computers of total strangers....because they can. It's sick, bu they seem to love the power. Don't ask me to explain it?
There is no doubt that computers attract some twisted kids. They intentionally create/invent a bug, a virus that can cause other people's machine to malfunction. They deserve to have the shit beat out of them, ensconced in their mother's basement, thinking of ways to fuck over total strangers. Apparently, it's done all the time, just to be malicious. They are literally sick, while thinking they are smarter than everybody else.
That's all I know about computers and all I want to know. I would have given up a long time ago except my son in law has a degree in computers and has worked for Apple for more than 25 years. He helps, here, when I twist his arm. Yeah, without Corey, I would have folded my tent a long time ago. He works for free; when he feels like it.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: as far as that back button. I haven't a clue but I do know that several sites while entering data or whatever, they will say, DO NOT USE YOUR BACK BUTTON! So, why do you need to use the back button? Not that you shouldn't be allowed to use it if your little heart desires, but why? Why not use the navigation buttons across the top to get where you want to go? Where is says, "Huntmasters" or "Member Forum" or "Please help save...."? That might indicate that it's your browser rather than the software on this site? Again, I don't know any more than you, maybe less? Good luck.
[ April 24, 2019, 07:50 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 24, 2019, 07:55 AM:
This is your navigation bar:
» Hello, Leonard [ log out ] The New Huntmastersbbs! » Member Forum » Please help save Arizona Coyote Hunting Contests
Anywhere yo want to go, you can do it right here, below the Huntmaster's coyote. I know you are too stubborn to change but I'm just trying to help. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 24, 2019, 12:58 PM:
Paul;
After you post just go up to the 'forum home' top right on the screen. Click that. No fuss. No muss. So simple a coyote hunter can do it. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 24, 2019, 01:33 PM:
Well, that works too. But the "Hello" bar, above the "post a reply" and beow the Huntmasters Coyote; that is where you can follow the breadcrumbs wherever you want to go. This is by far the easiest way of navigating this site. LB
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 25, 2019, 04:21 AM:
I am used to the back button as stated I try to remember to scroll to the top but dont always manage I agree with everything you said leonard except my heart is not little !
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 25, 2019, 12:46 PM:
Uh huh. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. <sigh>
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on April 25, 2019, 03:56 PM:
I use like the look and feel of semi automatic sporting rifles. I use to call ARs star war guns. I checked around and felt the HK630 was the best semi sporting rifle on the market. Check out the link for a picture:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hk630&rlz=1C1CHBH_enUS833US833&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCl8qPtuzhAhUYFTQIHU95DuQQ_AUIDigB&biw=768&bih=375#imgrc=VkxUMj0jdxRJSM:
That rifle within the first five years went back to the shop twice. Also, it ate the cases up so bad you didn't wish to reload them after one shooting. Each visit to the HK repair center was 8-10 months. Local gunsmiths don't have access to parts.
You go to any gun show in any free state like Arizona, Kentucky, Utah, etc. and you will find every part imaginable for an AR, and people that can fix them. I doubt you would find every possible part for a Browning BAR Mark III at a gun show. I also doubt you could find every possible part for any of the sporting semi autos at a gun show. The AR is a standardized product that is the norm today. My choice to go to ARs was for practical reasons and not for looks.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 25, 2019, 06:18 PM:
Maybe if somebody would come up with a really nice wood stock & forearm for the ARs they would seem kinder and gentler and not scare the general population so much ?????
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 25, 2019, 06:46 PM:
Back in "the day", before AR15's were so readily available and affordable, I carried an evil Mini-14 as a throw gun. Dirt poor and other than the M-1 Garand, it was the only semi-auto rifle available to me. An old air force vet I used to run hounds with saw my Mini once when I had a collapsible stock on it and he had a fit over how I didn't need a gun like that. A short time later, I had it back in the factory stock and he told me he was glad I'd finally gotten rid of that machine gun. Just shook my head.
The one I use now is the second one I've owned. The first was a Bushmaster Carbon 15 that I picked up for 500 under what a mil-spec AR cost at the time and there were so many flaws in the design that I ended up returning it to Bushmaster after what amounted to a real shit show. With my money back in hand, I decided to shop for an AR the same way I buy computers now. Determine what I need it to do, try to guess what I might want it to do down the road, and go shopping. By sheer luck, I found one that fit my needs being sold privately by a guy who built it himself for another guy and the deal had fallen through. Then only changes I've made was to add a larger pull lever on the charging handle (better with gloves), put in a two-stage trigger, a finger-friendly handguard around the mag well, and replace the carbine-length plain Jane knurled handguard with a quad rail. Although I have the quad rail set up to accept a bipod, I replaced that this past season with an angled forearm grip to make the rifle more ergonomic. IMO, this is just a .223/5.56 rifle, nothing more. The AR platform is built to be rugged and functional. I don't have to concern myself with bumping it and damaging the stock. The adjustable stock allows me to change the length of the stock and thus, the eye relief for when I'm wearing heavy winter gear versus a tee shirt in summer.
I don't have the means to own an arsenal like some of you and I typically stay with one rifle all the time. When I first got this rifle, it was to be a short-range rifle and a pack gun when I didn't want to donkey my boat anchor 22-250 around. I quickly learned how accurate and effective it is as a hunting gun and my 250 rarely leaves the gun locker. In my own situation, the AR is simply the best tool for the job, hands down. How it looks to others? I really don't give a good gawddamn. I try not to be scared of inanimate objects.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 25, 2019, 06:52 PM:
First of all, we are all free to use whatever we want. But that H&K is a real clunker, I faintly remember it was around for about five minutes back in the day.
I think the thrust of your post is that AR parts are very available, if I understand you correctly? But, parts for a Browning are not. So, even though you originally thought AR's were StarWars Guns, your choice now is AR's because of practical reasons.
As I said at the top, that's great, and you can exercise your freedom of choice. With my blessing, if it matters.
It's still an ugly piece of shit, and offends my senses, so I am free to dislike that cocksucker. In that sense, just about every Liberal and Democrat and other kneejerk crybaby agrees with me! As I said, we would be better off had it not been born, but here we are, stuck with America's Rifle come what may.
For pure spite, I am opposed to Liberal demands, they don't know a damned thing about guns anyway so why would I pay any attention to what they think? The only reason I can think of is that there are so many of these ignorant people and they don't need facts, any stupid emotional thought will do and they are scared to death of the friggin' "black gun".
Logic doesn't seem to have any effect whatsoever on these folks? I won't give in as a matter of principle and they don't need logic or reason so where are we? As soon as they have 50% plus one, they will impose their will on the rest of us. I wish I could be more enthusiastic about our eventual victory.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 25, 2019, 06:54 PM:
On the original subject, banning contest hunting, Kansas faced a few challenges some time back. Part of why the St. Francis ended, because outside groups were coming here and trying to file civil cases to stop coyote calling contests under state gaming laws because, as they tried to point out, they are games of chance. The hunt they filed on quickly rolled over and canceled. The guy I helped in running the Kansas Predator Challenge and I were sincerely upset that they'd caved because we could have helped provide as many statements as would be needed to establish that rather than a game of chance, winning a coyote calling contest requires great skill and knowledge and that each person entered does not, in fact, have the same odds of winning. The guys who have a proven strategy and do immense amounts of advance planning are the who win, and not by luck, but by hard work. We wrote letters to legislators to that end and there are hunts every weekend in Kansas now during the winter. Referring back to prior posts, this is why Kansas prefers NOT allowing ballot referendum. Had the anti-hunters had that option here, all they'd have to have done is buy TV time and billboard space around Wichita and Topeka to shut us down with a majority vote of ignorant, ill-informed voters. Instead, the dumb fucker factor is filtered through the debate process in the legislature where both sides of the issue are given equal time.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 26, 2019, 03:26 PM:
Just read your post, LB. I dread the day that the libs actually get any traction on regulating AR's for those already owned. You live where you live and you aren't privvy to 99% of conversations that are being held in flyover country. If, and that's a BIG if, they ever tried to take AR's away from folks, the carnage would be immense. I honestly do sense that guns is the tipping point for people in places like Kansas. The vast majority of Sheriff's - the highest elected official in any county in most states, are already on record in saying that they will not enforce any such law, federal or not. Enacting a law, and enforcing a law are two very different things. Some like to say that they'll just send the military to do the seizures. And "some" don't understand the mindset of those folks either. I have hear from, and confirmed with quite a number of active duty military in at least two branches who have told me that there are off-the-record conversations being held regularly - especially during the Obama years - as to what would happen if the federal government tried to light that turd off and I was told multiple times that there are unwritten action plans that involve securing military assets to ensure that they will not, under no circumstances, be used in such an action.
Personally, I think the entire anti-gun hullabaloo is blown out of proportion by the media in an attempt to keep us all stirred up. What would libs have to run on if guns were suddenly all seized, as if that's even logistically possible? They want us owning guns as much as the gun nuts do because guns are a major money maker for them. Too many lib politicians depend upon the gun fear to ensure their future living and relevance to want them gone forever. The best thing we could do as Americans is stop focusing on Washington, and redirect our treasure and energy on a manipulative national media.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on April 27, 2019, 02:17 AM:
I'm not saying you cannot get parts for sporting semis. I'm saying you won't be able to get them locally. The AR15 is a milspec rifle so all of the parts are readily available, except the full auto stuff. You can probably find all the parts you would need to repair an old Winchester model 100. It will be just more difficult and take more time.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 27, 2019, 09:50 AM:
It's ok, I understood what you were saying. All that tells me is to have a back up. Which reminds me of the question my dear wife never failed to ask; "why do you need another gun?" Answer #27: something to shoot while my Model 100 is in the shop.
Good hunting. El Bee
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