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By no means am I saying I’m above the average joe but why should we cater to the father/son team who is doing it for fun when team all star have been putting in their homework to make sure they are killing double digits??

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Leonard kills 15 coyotes and I kill 4 monster males and I win?? No sir I’ll pass

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Believe me, if someone rolls in with a haul like that, they will have earned the respect of every team there. Even if they still got milk on their lips...

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 08, 2019, 04:24 PM:
 
I definitely see both sides of this issue. We’ve hunted in some of the big contests a few times and I can say they are a lot of fun. I do see the idea that the teams that put in the time and effort should not be penalized for that. But then again what are you proving when you(team A) have the only access to a few ranches that are locked up and hold lots of coyotes and haven’t had any pressure, and go out and kill 20 in a day and a half. And (team B) goes out and scouts the hell out of Public land and find Coyotes but they have been pressured to beat hell and you end up killing 7 or 8 coyotes. Who’s the real Champ here..... I remember Scott Huber saying once, if you really want to even the playing field, have the contest on Public land only and have teams draw areas to hunt. Then let them scout those areas and see who can come up with the most coyotes.

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 08, 2019, 04:28 PM:
 
I dunno? Lots of ways to look at these things. I'm way past trying to drum up participation by giving somebody a lottery ticket chance of winning by a goofy format.

Besides, I don't think these contests are geared towards a father and son team and artificially tinkering with the rules to give them a chance, to me smacks of catering rather than what I thought was the object, which is skill. Not withstanding all the access considerations and tilting the playing field.

Truthfully, I think it's long past the point where they have managed to fuck up the whole concept. It's not like it used to be in the CSVCA. Crimminy sakes, we were a club, not a bunch of hired guns, total strangers with a single motivation; win the money. No wonder they talk about ethics, nobody has any. I've heard stories about teams pooling animals, stuff like that.

I know one thing, when I first started, I had a lot of suspicion about the guys that were throwing down the big kills. At some point, I got better and understood that those things don't just happen without a lot of work.

I don't know? But fiddling with weighing so many animals, I'm sorry because I don't know what the hell we are measuring anymore?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 08, 2019, 05:18 PM:
 
Well said DAA.

I was just getting hunting during those high-price days for coyotes and man that seemed like a lot of money to a kid. I figured if I killed two coyotes I could buy myself a new variable Leupold scope.

Everybody had a coyote rifle and place to take care of hides during that boom.

Honestly, it doesn't bother me a bit if the price of coyote hides is in the tank. When there is money in it things don't get better in my opinion.

Speaking of coyotes being worth something... Is the Utah bounty still in place? Are the deer herds thriving again? That was why the bounty was set up in the first place wasn't it, to save deer?
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 08, 2019, 05:53 PM:
 
Lonny it’s funny you say that about everybody having a coyote rifle back then. I remember back in the mid 80’s all I wanted was .222 Remington. Seemed like most of the Coyote callers I knew had them. I was shooting my Dads .243 Winchester at the time and was saving all the money I could for that .222. But by the time I had the money saved to buy my gun, a buddy of my dads had been shooting a .22-250 Remington and I saw what he did with it. So I changed my tune and bought a Remington 700 in .22-250 and have been so glad I did. Shot that rifle off and on for damn near 25 years. Then I rebarreled it to .22-250 AI Several years back. Damn I love that rifle.

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 08, 2019, 06:43 PM:
 
Man y'all are getting me depressed.

I was thinking HWY 93 was the cats "meow" nope.

All this talk of fancy calibers used to get me excited. Not anymore.

Don't blame y'all for wanting to try different stuff though.

I'm tired. I have a 223 & a 22/250 & a 243 all loaded with soft point "old school" bullets.

All have killed coyotes.

I just want a weekend & not see anybody. I'll take care of the rest. It's possible. I'm asking to much ? our eastern friends are hampered compared to what were used to. (edit) I think ?

But, were used to what were used to !!

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 08, 2019, 07:45 PM:
 
Chad,

My lust in my early years was for a Remington 700 "Varmint Special" in 22-250. I figured with one of those, I could conquer the world!

Eventually got one in the mid 80's and tried to convince myself it was everything I thought it would be... Truth was it was a pig to pack and wasn't handy on a stand, in the truck, or packing around the hills in this part of the world.

Sold it for a sporter-weight 22-250 and things went much better with that rifle.

Live and learn.
 

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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 09, 2019, 03:31 AM:
 
This topic sure has been an eye opener for me anyways.
In the 60's, 1962 in fact, I started calling coyotes with a Weems call that my mom got me out of an add in one of the sporting rags. There was only one other predator caller where I lived at the time in Lompoc, Commiefornia that I was aware of and never ran into anybody out calling on any of the ranches I did have access to. The calling was pretty good even for a kid that just read the instructions that came with the call and trying to go at it like hunting deer. It worked for me and I did call in many coyotes and bobcats that all fell to a 30-06.
The good ole days back in the 70's I ran a trapline for coyotes up in Washington state on the west side and it paid for a lot of Christmases and fuel and just lots of stuff. I also ran hounds on bobcats and the ole bread and butter racoons. Each coon was a tank of gas back then.The cats were better than a weeks wages I made as a union carpenter. Never ran into any predator callers either. I did some calling during that period because of my love of calling them in right up to me. Being the caller I Was the hunted and still get a kick out of it.
The 80's roll around and I was living in Nevada and the calling was pretty good for me and I got to meet some other callers around and discovered that I wasn't the only one in town doing it, but I didn't really run into but a few while I was out calling. I remember the wife always saying there were to many callers back then compared to when she started going out calling with me. That was in the 70's. And she was the best hunting partner I ever had, good hearing, good eyes and a champion pistol shot. But that's another story.
90's roll around and I would run into people out calling on a regular basis and there were lots of contests, like one a month in many towns in Nevada. I didn't run into many people out in the far reaches of Nevada but by the 20's even that changed and some of the ranchers I did know weren't real keen on most coyote callers because the few ruined it for the rest of us.
Now I am in Tennessee and the calling is pretty much like western Washington. There are plenty of coyotes but getting a shot off through the jungle is pretty fun. But I haven't ran into any callers here and the land is all tied up and there are houses on every 5-20 acres so it isn't a cake walk like I was used to in Nevada.
I imagine this scenario is pretty well played out everywhere you go now a days.
And yes I tried out the ole Johnny Stewart stuff and a Foxpro but ambushing a coyote from 50 yards away from the call just doesn't do anything for me compared to the thrill I still get when I call a coyote up right to my face with my own homespun mouthcall.
Anyways, enough of this old farts rambling.
Enjoy your New Year and good calling to all of you.
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 09, 2019, 03:46 AM:
 
Lonny, the bounty is still going here. And yeah, supposed to be for the poor blessed deer. Gawd bless the baby deer.

Not sure if it has had any impact at all. There are probably some numbers somewhere, but I haven't seen them.

A friend I go calling with occasionally, really good guy, according to the agent that takes them in for his county, kills more in Tooele county than anyone else. Which, if you know Utah, that is saying something.

Killing coyotes ain't gonna un-build hundreds of thousands of new homes or bring back the winter range or un-build the highways across migration routes. The deer ain't ever coming back in this state.

- DAA
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 09, 2019, 05:46 AM:
 
Leonard, "goofy" is what is presently working, And, it's not as if it's just a cakewalk to stroll out and whack 4 coyotes on any given day, even in 'good country'. I'm sure you've had many a day back in your glory years where your team was humbled?

And please note, I'm NOT sharing all this from an advocacy standpoint, as I'm blessed to have friends with connections, so to speak! I like the body count tally, too, but not averse to this new format, as it doesn't really hinder the better teams from winning, either. Was just explaining, cuz ya asked...

To expand on that, the teams that kill a truck load STILL win most of the contests, simply because they have their pick of large/mature coyotes to submit for their overall weight. So, the notion that Pop & son (or the like) teams routinely pull out a win under this new format, is misguided. If any one of their coyotes is a dink, there's no chance. Just sayin, the "best" team still usually wins, which is why those teams still enter, too! From a sponsor/promoter standpoint, an obvious win/win...

To reiterate, all the stringer system does is set a more realistic goal to achieve for almost anyone interested. But, they still gotta kill their limit, which nowadays isn't as easy as it useta be....right old people?

P.S. I ain't using my Redline in any contest, cuz I haven't even killed a coyote with it, yet. Would be a friggn' idiot to take an unproven rifle/load out! So, trusty .22-243AI gonna do work, and that it does well!

Happy hunting
 

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Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on January 09, 2019, 06:49 AM:
 
Well I read threw all this thread and it looks to me like everybody got their own way of hunting. Just because someone doesn't hunt like you doesn't mean there not doing it right. As long as there doing it within the law and having fun then power to them.

If we don't stick together as a group of hunters then we will lose.

My grandpa always told me to pass on what I had learn, so when someone asked me how to call I try to help them.

As far as hunting contest I cut my teeth back in the 70s doing bass tournaments. I seen just about everything you can think of go on to win a tournament.
For me the run and gun hunting you have to do to compete in a contest is not for me. Hell it took me 20 min. Yesterday to work this old male across big hay field to the 80 acres that I was hunting on. You can't win a contest hunting like that.
But everybody does it different, so the next time you want to cut somebody down because there doing it different than you.

Remember what the good book said those with out sin cast
the frist stone.......I ain't seen anybody in this group breaking a leg to get up and start throwing rocks.
That's my 2cents take it or leave it.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2019, 07:38 AM:
 
Reading Fred, I had a thought. Maybe there is a way to appease the various factions? You would have to do it as a novelty, just like big dog, little dog. In some of the big hunts they used to have a "Sportsman" category. Didn't cost as much for the entry fee and didn't pay $8,000 to win it, either.

Anyway, what if you kept body count and then had some kind of a Calcutta for a 4 or 7 animal stringer? Separate entrance fee. Maybe it would increase interest overall? Not that I am of the opinion that we are desperate to increase participation, because I'm not.

We have been all around the block, in our little organization and folded the tent about 15 years ago. But, at the time, if you weren't a contender, you didn't bother with it. Some may find this hard to believe but winning a state hunt involved killing 45 animals, and there are accommodations that have to be made for that much actual space, which is why we had to go with a proof of kill. It can be done and with this crowd, you don't even want to think of cheating.

So, the field narrowed considerably and every team entered stood a reasonable chance of winning. And still the whiners that couldn't do it would grumble. Sometimes I think predator hunters give old ladies a bad name because we sure had enough petty bickering. And then it ended, the whiners eventually torpedoed the whole enchilada. And, we actually had a long history, something that might deserve to be preserved. And, nobody was in it for a huge payday. Just a stupid trophy. But as somebody said, in the right circles, that still earns some respect.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on January 09, 2019, 08:26 AM:
 
Fred I understand why they are doing these new formats I just don’t really care for it or agree with it. The coyote limit is a better format then heavy 4 but that’s just my opinion. I’m just stubborn in my ways I guess and don’t like seeing change, it’s just different from the way I grew up contest hunting. We got our asses handed to us plenty of times back in my younger days, so we stopped doing them all together until we improved ourselves and figured out how to contest hunt. Shit I still get my ass handed to my now but that’s just coyote hunting.

Chad there is nothing more I would rather see then a public land only contest in a designated area like Huber had mentioned. That really is the only way to really know who the best was for that time and location. Here in southern Az/Nm we have plenty of public land and coyotes to choose from and i like to think I can hold my own against some of the private guys but if it was Texas or any of the northern states there is no chance I could hold my own on their public land. Like my buddy from California says there are no killers on private just shooters, wallet kings and butt sniffers.

Ps: Fred my comment about not having enough land wasn’t generated towards you, I’m saying in general that’s a lousy excuse for somebody to use.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 09, 2019, 08:53 AM:
 
Lonny, back in the day I packed heavy barreled rifles on stand as well, for a few years...then realized it was a waste of energy. I had heavy Remingtons, Rugers and Winchesters, they were all good shooters but a giant pain in the ass overall. I rationalized it by telling myself that a heavy rifle was more stable etc, but I went back to sporter weight guns and that was that.
I remember when Varmint Hunter magazine in late 90's into 2000's, ran articles debating light vs heavy coyote rifles. Of course the coyote calling thing was just taking off with them and most other people in the country, but it was amusing to watch the back and forth...eventually the "walking rifle" moniker was invented for strolling the prairies shooting coyotes and cute little rodents, which probly is still in effect to this day with middle America.

Actually, I had a Winchester rifle, that was in between a sporter weight and medium heavy. I actually loved that thing, it was a "heavy sporter" and I did well with it. Who knows what I traded it for?
Mark

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2019, 09:00 AM:
 
It's just no damned wonder some people have such a negative opinion on hunt contests!

On the other hand, I think it's incredibly stupid to pass laws prohibiting them.

No shortage of crybabies that enter hunt contests.

Still, I have to say, increasing participation in these hunts is misguided. I'm sorry, I can't figure a reason for a stringer. My 4 selected coyotes are a bit heavier than yours? How did that involve skill? Who gives a shit about increasing participation, pop & son teams, etc.? That's like participation trophies in soccer.

Maybe Scott's suggestion has merit? I just know it wo uld be a nightmare to organize and administer. Still a crapshoot though. I think a shotgun only hunt might be cute, kinda novel. No more Redline's! Ban 'em! See, right there, that's the kind of left turn thinking by people that just don't get it anyway, and never will. Heaven forbid putting folks like that in charge of anything! Liberals can fuck up a wet dream!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: Mark, the rifle I carry now, on stand has a fairly heavy barrel. I just don't buy into the argument. Why stop at barrels, get militant about scopes. Anyway, It's not like I'm lugging this rifle up mountains. I always have another rifle handy if I decide to go on a "walkabout". Remember my concept, it's like a bag of golf clubs. Sometimes you need a driver and other times you are faced with a chip shot. LB

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 09, 2019, 09:25 AM:
 
Mark, all of my calling rifles are heavy sporter barrels. Lilja #4. More sporter than heavy, but more meat than an ADL for sure.

- DAA
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 09, 2019, 09:34 AM:
 
Hunting Public land is only half the deal. A drawing of areas would be the other half. That way you don’t know for sure where you will be hunting. I know the World Contest has turned to shit the last couple years. It has always moved around. Lately it has been in Arizona the last 4 out of 5 years. Was supposed to have stayed in Utah but that changed. Even then you have guys flying into Utah on a commercial flight from Texas to check in for the contest then flying back to Texas the same day Hunting a private ranch down there and driving all night to check in. That’s why a lot of guys are done hunting the World, myself included.Just not worth the effort.

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on January 09, 2019, 09:57 AM:
 
Chad it has gone to shit, we entered it this year for the first time ever and it was a bust and I was so disappointed, ever since I was in middle school and high school I have always followed worlds and always dreamed of entering it. 15 years later things finally pan out for me to enter it and there was fukin 19 teams, what a joke.

The flying back to Texas and killing 25 coyotes in a day then driving all the way to checkin did happen and I’m sure it scared off a lot of teams. But those rules have been set for years and years from my understanding and everybody is allowed to do it somebody finally did and killed a pile and now everybody is hurt.

What really hurt worlds is the new owner. Raffling off donated guns, auctioning off donated scopes and suppressors and so on and so on. People can do simple math and things weren’t adding up, I will say though that for only having 19 teams it payed better then the western leg in Utah and they had 35 teams. So the owner is trying to push it in the right direction but I think it’s too late.

I doubt I will enter it again unless ownership changes. Crazy thing is the owner wants somewhere between 20-25k to sell the contest??? How he thinks it’s worth 20k is beyond me.
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 09, 2019, 10:32 AM:
 
Yeah I don’t have anything good to say about the guy who runs the Worlds. We won biggest Coyote last year in Utah and you’d have thought we had robbed a bank or something. He just couldn’t believe we could have shot such a heavy Coyote without cheating. I was talking with Garvin Young while we were waiting for an official weight and he said that in the 20 years they had been in the Contest no one had checked in a coyote over 40 lbs. That’s why they were thinking it wasn’t legit. But we ended up eventually winning it with a 45lbs Coyote. But it really soured me that he acted like that.

Like I said that last World Contest will probably be my last.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 09, 2019, 01:17 PM:
 
LB yeah I run a few different rifles for different things, along with a couple shotguns. I do have a favorite little Model 700 that I tote almost all the time now though.

Dave I do like that size barrel.
Mark
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2019, 01:19 PM:
 
The last time I attended that hunt, it was in Williams. Cal Taylor was right behind or ahead of us in line and I saw a little dog he had, but the guy checking animals just tossed it. Cal just shrugged, but I ran down the guy running the hunt and bitched about it. He went up and asked the guy what the deal was and went and looked at it and told him to accept it. So Cal and Cinny won that little dog which was less than 8 pounds. We were second, with an 11 pounder but I just thought it was bullshit to toss that pup the way he did. Anyway, Cal knew I went to bat for him and appreciated it. I guess he's a little more shy than I am?

It was $800 bucks, so at least it paid for his gas

Anyway, I seem to remember it being alternately between Williams and Cortez, CO? When did it get to be Utah? Shit, there ain't any coyotes to speak of, in Utah!

Good hunting. El Bee

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 09, 2019, 02:09 PM:
 
It usually would be changed up every two years. 2 years in Arizona, then a couple years in New Mexico, then 2 in Cortez, then 2 years in Elko. 2017 was the first year it was in Utah. And it was set in Utah again for 2018, I was still planning on hunting it again, then I got a letter in around August saying they were changing it back to Arizona. I said bullshit to that and we decided to be done with it. I’ve Hunted the Elko hunt a few times and it is always fun.

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 09, 2019, 03:21 PM:
 
Leonard, the heaviest 3-4 coyote weight total seems to be working, least for the one day contest I look forward to in OK. And my Okies hunt a bunch more 'smallish' contests that have adopted the same terms...

And, I don't think the change was so much to increase participation, rather it was considered as a remedy to make the contest appealing again for teams who stopped showing up. It don't take many years for teams to show up, only to get their azz handed to them by the same few killer teams, year after year, for participation to suffer as a result...

I don't follow the World hunts closely, but could be the same shit is happening, on a more grand scale. Reckon teams just ain't bothering to sign up, since they know the odds are stacked against them?

After all, who the heck would wanna spend all the time, effort and money trying to compete against a coupla ringers with enough land locked up for it to be its own State, let alone teams with a jet at their disposal??? That kinda shit puts a bad taste in ones mouth. Legality be darned...

Whereas, these little local day hunt contests are doing fair to middlin, thanks to the format change, and most everyone seems to having a fun time of it. Go figure?

And yeah, #4 sporter contour in a Micky GameScout is my kinda honey of a rifle!

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 09, 2019, 03:43 PM:
 
That’s funny you say that about top 4 coyotes by weight. I don’t think we finished in the top twenty in the World. We shot a measly 4 coyotes. The winners from Texas won it with 26 I think. But those pussy little Texas coyotes they shot would have hurt them. I bet we would have won the World Contest. We shot a 45 lbs coyote, 38 lbs Coyote and 2 in the mid Twenties. We would have won and the team that won probably wouldn’t have got in the top 10. Those coyotes were noticeably smaller than most that were checked in. Lol
 

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Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on January 10, 2019, 04:50 AM:
 
Move the 'worlds' to the Dakotas or Montana.Rent snowshoes reasonably.Bet lotsa people would show up.Many like snow and cold and longer range shooting.LB misses Mn I bet."No name' would show as well.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 10, 2019, 08:04 AM:
 
Yeah, I miss Minneesota! Or, you haven't been paying attention. I had enough of that weather by the time I was 12 and I've never been back. I guess there is about 2-3 weeks in the spring that would be ok before the mosquitoes hatch?

The lake fishing in the summer was pretty good, for Northerns, maybe a few Walleyes?

No, I can do without that state. I think the main attraction is the Swedes and a country similar to where they all came from. 10,000 Lakes? I heard Florida has 20,000?

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: PS I have my snowshoes, just in case.

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Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on January 11, 2019, 02:56 AM:
 
No I was kidding LB,it's still F ing miserable here and I'm close to giving in to the boss and getting the hell out winters.We've been spending 5-6 of the worst weeks in SE Kansas and the coyote hunting there is pretty good and she is much happier so....I'm 75 now and it's not getting any easier dealing with cold n snow with age.

Wednesday AM it was minus 3 here with a nasty wind to boot.Shot one that required quite a drag including crossing about 100 yd strip of drifted cattails.Wasn't wearing snowshoes cause in windswept areas it wasn't necessary but oh man,kept breaking through to the waist in those cattails and finally left the coyote rather than have the big one.Went back yesterday when it was a balmy 6 degrees and got it.With shoes.
Just ain't as much fun anymore at my age.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 11, 2019, 07:16 AM:
 
I might be close to caving myself. I'm 53 & the last few years seem to be getting to me ?

We've had a mild winter 20 above now with about 80% humidity & no wind. Used to not bother me.

I don't know do ya trade miserable hot summers for mild winters ? I know what Koko would say
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 11, 2019, 10:40 AM:
 
Arielp, The reason why the World paid out more than the west leg of the new contest is simple. The World has a $300 per team entry fee plus Calcutta. and the the new contest has a $150 per team entry fee.
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on January 11, 2019, 10:43 AM:
 
I don't miss the heat of the valley of the Sun used to be anything under 110 was okay then as I got older it got old, now in northern Arizona the winters are getting harder its not the weather its my Age ! Everything is more difficult !
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 11, 2019, 12:27 PM:
 
I hear ya Paul !! I hate winter & I hate summer !!

Any thoughts on the Vegas area, other than there is too many people ? @ least from where I'm coming from anyway ?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 11, 2019, 02:21 PM:
 
As far as climate, Las Vegas is very agreeable. Does it get hot? You Bet! Does it get cold? Yes it does. It's not exactly as moderate as Southern California, which is ideal, but it's livable.

It's also where Paul should be, now that he's approaching senior citizen status. However, politics rears it's ugly head, so he must put up with the chilly winters in Ashfork. Or, Gold Canyon's nice, I hear?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 11, 2019, 06:28 PM:
 
Thanks Leonard. Kickin' a lot of stuff around right now.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 11, 2019, 07:31 PM:
 
Hmm? Is this sudden interest domestic inspired?
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 11, 2019, 08:42 PM:
 
Love your new custom title Dave..nice.
Mark
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 12, 2019, 07:45 AM:
 
You know, to each his own.

I despise Las Vegas, personally.

My baby sister has lived there for 20 years now. Which is why I visit the place two or three times a year. She's stuck, by a divorce/joint custody situation. She hates the place too though and would move out of there in a heartbeat if she could take her kids away from her ex.

Things I don't like about it. Crowded, two million people. Filthy - outside the main tourist areas just trash in the streets everywhere. Crime - my sis live in a "nice" neighborhood in Henderson and every house has bars on all the windows and security doors and shit locked down like bands of roving thieves are coming through every night - which they ARE. She even suffered through an attempted home invasion, they picked the wrong little girl for that though... Traffic, it's nasty, by my standards anyway and people visiting from other places tell me the traffic here where I live is bad. Drunk drivers everywhere, all the time, empty liquor bottles on the sides of the roads - car insurance rates there are astronomical. Etc.

It would take a lot to get me to live there. That's just me though.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2019, 08:02 AM:
 
Well, you know a hell of a lot more than I do. I was just speaking to the climate part. I visited a relative of my wife, in Henderson, and this part of town was definitely upscale so that's all I know, a gated community.

Other than that, all I know is downtown and I only stay in 5 star properties.

Boy, there must be quite a story there, home invasion with the wrong girl!

I have to say, females with guns or while hunting is actual porn, for me. Nothing interests me more than a good looking chick pursuing the shooting sports. We need a lot more of it because the usual portrayal is that guns are icky and masculine.It's too bad the way the Media beats up on females posing with game, such as recently in Africa with a giraffe and in Scotland with goats. Too much judgmental opinions.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 12, 2019, 08:22 AM:
 
Vegas is a shithole imo. Nothing there that interests me at all. Been there many times over the years and cant stand it.
Mark

Edit

Girls with guns...fuck yeah.

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 12, 2019, 09:25 AM:
 
I appreciate the input. Kinda what I figured. My daughter must live on the right side of town. I thought it was nice ?

Traffic yeah might be a problem, nothing like around here.

If, I do it. I need to live & work in the same part of town. Nothing permanent maybe a year test drive ? I've lived around here almost four decades now. My daughter along with my grandson seem hell bent on staying there @ least a couple of years.

My work has really changed lately. I might need something different ? Hell, I made a call to a guy yesterday & basically got hired if I want the job.

I miss my family something terrible.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 12, 2019, 11:09 AM:
 
Dave I hope you figure it out. I also see a lot of change in the works, not sure its all good either.

Every week someone I know or know of, is moving out of Kalifornia. All motivated by politics and our new governor that IS going to change this state into even more of a shithole....and Im going to pay for it all. I sit here and stew about it every day...I see the crime, the shitty people, and the money thats being taken from me, and Im just pissy about it every day.

I crave peace and quiet...and I am always eyeballing places that have it, out of state. My wife doesnt like what I like, and thats a problem, plus..we just arent in a position to just get something somewhere and call it good, have to have income. Same as most I suspect. Im trying to come up with a plan, been a little serious about it lately too....so I feel ya...at this point I would have to reinvent myself and do something out of the box perhaps...dont know....maybe Ill do nothing...but hell, I may be forced to at some point.
Its clear to me though...things are a changin'.
Mark
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2019, 12:11 PM:
 
Yes, ok. But keep in mind that with social media, TV and everything else, the culture is amazingly homogenous. What that means to me is that society, the current rotting core is mainly like a malignant growth coming out of Kalifornia and affecting your favorite state, little by little. It's quite commonly observed that these assholes pull out of Kalifornia and immediately set up Kalifornia rules where ever they buy into. They work their little fanny's off changing paradise into something like they left behind in The People's Republik. I've seen people, in videos and on TV in Ohio and Alabama and they sure as hell look and act just like people on the street in Hollywood and South San Francisco. Blame TV, the Internet, FaceBook and Twitter. Have you noticed that nobody has a regional dialect or accent any more?

Well, pretty soon the whole damned country will be acting just as stupid as Nancy Pelosi. And voting for Kamala Harris for President. (I hope you threw up a little in your mouth over that comment)

As far as that goes, it's a fucking BEAUTY CONTEST! Vote for Beto, Vote for Pedro, Vote for Ocasio-Cortez! Vote for Michelle Obama/gag! You don't need any "qualifications" to be President any more. There are at least a half a dozen moderately hot chicks in congress forming exploratory committees. I'm seriously considering it, myself; just another pretty face, but who knows?

Excuse the rambling. I'm done!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: Or, more likely, I'll buy some nice little property just outside Safford and POST IT, just like every other Kalifornia Fuck does.

[ January 12, 2019, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 12, 2019, 12:37 PM:
 
Yes, I think Ill sell out, and buy Safford, kick everyone out and post it up.
Mark
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2019, 12:52 PM:
 
Double Dog Dare ya!
 

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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 12, 2019, 01:04 PM:
 
I worked in Lost Wages for just a few too many years and it was a shithole then and the traffic was a nightmare for me. The insurance quadrupled from where I was from,Ely area. The wife made us move back up north to, at the time, Gods country but Vegas and Reno are just suburbs of Commifornia and the socialist mentality.It is like a pandemic this mind set those brainwashed assholes have.
Got rid of the place up by Ely and the daughter got a nice place in Tennessee with acreage and two homes for what a lot with a piece of garbage home costs out west. Cheaper actually. The demographics are amazing and very conservative, to say the least. As an example, the landscapers are all white people. When have you seen that for the past 20 years.
I thought the movie "Wagons East" was funny but then when I saw "Idiocracy" I thought the same. Now I am a believer that both of those were not comedies but documentaries. Also I might add that the weather here is a bit on the muggy side in summer but it is the middle of January now and as I check the outside temp it is a chilly 48 degrees. Had to put on a cotton long sleeved shirt to go out calling, with no luck I might add, this morning. I feel for you that are stuck in the Workers Socialist Paradise. But, so goes life.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 12, 2019, 03:03 PM:
 
Yes, one of my co workers is retiring this June. He is originally from TN and his 2 older daughters have gravitated to NC..both teachers.., so he is selling out and moving back to TN or NC one or the other. They love it back there. My old boss sold out back around 2004-ish when home prices were real high. He couldnt move back if he wanted to, but he dont want to.
Mark
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 12, 2019, 03:08 PM:
 
I’ve got about 8 more years until i can retire that will give me 38 years there. That’s enough. Then I’m the hell out of this (Salt Lake) Valley for sure. It’s getting bigger and bigger every year. And a lot of the growth is California people coming in and bringing there bullshit politics with them. I don’t even recognize this valley anymore. I have a nice 1 acre piece of property in a small Central Utah town just waiting for me to start building a house on. Hope to get top dollar for my current house with all this growth plus it will be paid off by then too. Probably will start building in about 7 years so it will be done as soon as I retire.

[ January 12, 2019, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 12, 2019, 03:29 PM:
 
12 more years for me and I'm outta here too.

Got a house with a good well and 20 acres of sagebrush between Caliente and Pioche. Wife is even gradually warming up to the idea.

Long way from now till then and no predicting the future. We'll see.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 12, 2019, 03:57 PM:
 
Ill take it..shoot me a price.
Mark
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2019, 05:24 PM:
 
Yes, well. Maybe you guys know my story and maybe you don't? Just saying; sometimes these long range plans, "12 years from now" etc. they have a way of "changing" unexpectedly.

I used to wonder about all the options, real estate property values, even the tempting differences between applying for social security at various mileposts, I even added it up, in fact.

But, for me, it was something my employer thought they expected of me and just like that, I came home that afternoon and told Nanc, I quit! They don't know it yet and wouldn't know it for six more months but I just said, I gotta do it, and even though she was seriously concerned, she supported me. And, boy did I fuck over them, thinking I'd be back in that six months, a leave of absence. So, I actually and secretly retired in June, on my pension, and was vested, but I didn't turn 62 until September 1. I was able to retroactive my retirement three months before, a loophole that was coinciding with my medical insurance. It was complicated, but fell in place beautifully.

That was 14.5 years ago and I can't say that I have regretted it ever, and "they" didn't know what hit them. I'm not saying I was the "indispensable man" but oh my god, did I piss off a bunch of people, people that thought they had me boxed into something. So, I just ran off half cocked and got lucky, stupid lucky and I admit being smug about it. They fucked with the wrong asshole, there was a little drama and yes, I'm still peeved about it, but I don't mind retirement at all. I was already burned out.

I can't be any more specific, but even when Nanc died, I shouldn't have been covered and even though I had left the company two years previous, they covered it because they still carried me as an employee, all the while thinking I was going to come back to work, still thinking they had me boxed in, like I didn't have a choice. That $200k worth of her hospital bills were covered, it felt like a friggin! miracle, even though I lost the best friend I ever had and ever will have.

So, yeah, it was sudden and unexpected and I might be better off if I had not had that little temper tantrum, but I don't regret it because I did beat the bastards. Just be careful about all that calculated planning. I'm sure Bezos never thought he would get caught with his pants down and lose, what the hell is it, half of 140 billion dollars! You just never know what the future holds.

I have heard several people say, with conviction; Oh I'll never be able to retire! Maybe not but to me it sounds wretched. Never retire? Just one day, you don't call in because you're dead, and that won't look good in your file now, would it? So, go ahead and plan ahead. Maybe it will work out just like you planned it, in 12 years or so?

Good luck and good hunting, when you get a chance!
El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 12, 2019, 07:09 PM:
 
Cheap advice from a semi-retired guy who works two nights a week;

The days drag by.
The years fly by.
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 12, 2019, 07:42 PM:
 
Ain’t that the truth. Can’t believe I have worked at the same job for 30 years. Seems like I just started looking back but it also seems like a long time. Lol

Speaking of being semi retired, I really can’t complain to much I only work 3 days a week(13 hrs days) so I usually have a 4 day weekend. Unless I’m working some Overtime.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 12, 2019, 08:30 PM:
 
Caliente & Pioche ? I went thru there a few weeks ago. Around 4am My wife sound asleep. I'm not sure how she could sleep ? with me behind the wheel ? We were trying to get ahead of a storm.

Didn't work out snow packed roads for quite awhile.

I would guess it to be pretty good country ? I would have to check my map. I felt like it was high elevation ?

It didn't take long to get to Conner's pass. I believe it was called. Elevation 7722'
 

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Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on January 13, 2019, 04:55 AM:
 
I thought I had it all set up to retire, had work 16 yrs at a power plant left there and bought a tire shop. Well after 20 yrs in the tire shop some young guy came in with a banker and said he would like to buy the shop. I sold that suckers before he changed his mind.
Well I was 59 when I sold to early to retire but I was coming up to have my knee replaced, so I thought I would get the knee done then see what would happen. About a year into my little plan my daughter come back from college and tells us that she's going to get her masters, didn't see that one coming.
Two and a half years latter and a big chunk of my little nest egg gone. The wife says I need to get part time job four 5 more years to make up some of the money that the daughter took for school.
So here I'm am, maintaince man for 38 hud homes for the next 4 yrs. Then we're going to load up the camper take the dogs back to my daughters place because they were hers anyway and head north where every the road takes us.
Now this might sound like a plan, but for me it's a dream. Right now we have 5 grandkids from the 2 oldest boys, still got one more boy and the daughter to go. It's birthdays, ball games, horse shows, pig show and just about anything else you can think of.
Wouldn't take anything in the world for my family, so you guess it, I ain't going no where in 4 yrs but to what every function the kids got going on at that time.
So to all you guys that got a plan I hope it's works out!
GOOD LUCK ON THAT!!!

[ January 13, 2019, 06:36 AM: Message edited by: Eddie ]
 

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Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on January 13, 2019, 05:20 AM:
 
Dave A, the grass isn't greener on the other side.
Get use to driving down to see them.
You couldn't get me to even drive through L.V anymore.
I'd take a 500 mile detour.
HEAT! You think the valley is hot.
No I don't have kids so don't know or understand this thing that grandkids take over your life.
Hell you can fly down and back cheaper than you can drive it.

After this summer I'm retiring. More or less 40 seasons on a mountain top. Most people think I'm crazy.

But here is the thing. Neighbor at the other place. She was the soul bread winner. Worked everyday she was 62. She got sick this winter was on antibiotics. Getting sicker by the time the husband finally convinced her to go to the hospital it was too late. She passed away.
I want to at least have some summers off to go enjoy life. Might be tough here for a few years. Might have to find a summer part time job up here. But at least I'll be sleeping in one bed not 3 different beds in a weeks time.

We found a good place here. The trapping/calling sucks big time because every other guy is trapping and screwing up the coyotes or you have guys calling that shouldn't be let out of the city limits. 98% of the trappers only want to trap cats. But they are still screwing with the coyotes. It's been a huge learning experience up here. It's a interesting challenging hair pulling experience full of frustrations. But it isn't boring.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 13, 2019, 11:29 AM:
 
I do appreciate everyone's opinion or I wouldn't post asking for one

The problem is when someone is your heart & soul my daughter. Is just that. We are so much alike it would crack y'all up !!

I have no need need to follow her around. Except I love her more than anything. I was pissed when she moved to Houston about a year & a half ago. Then to the Vegas area last summer.

I kinda get it though. Two winters ago was really rough. Helped run her out. She will go somewhere more suitable for me @ least ? some day.

I think I did mention it was likely a year deal for me to move. We fucking plan & plan..Yeah-fucking yeah. We ain't living for fucking ever !!
I guess when everything is just right & my grandson might be ten. Trust me I'm taking all kinds of shit !!
It will all be Ok then ?

Thank you all. I'll ponder probably another month or so ?

[ January 13, 2019, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 13, 2019, 11:52 AM:
 
One thing is for sure Dave..DONT MOVE TO KALIFORNIA!

Mark
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 13, 2019, 12:24 PM:
 
I wonder if somebody could make coin returning U-Haul trailers to Calif. ??????


 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 13, 2019, 01:45 PM:
 
I'm about to put a for sale sign in the front yard. All you displaced Idahoans and Houstonites would love it here, lots of fellow Liberals & Q Annon types. And it's goat friendly.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on January 14, 2019, 05:55 AM:
 
Ash Fork was a decision made for me when I got sick the insurance company claimed pre existing condition and won their claim leaving me with 870 K worth of bills. I already owned this land and sold my home down south to keep from losing it as I could no longer work . Best thing that ever happened to me, I cut wood I haul water and could not be more pleased I put a manufactured home up here built a solar equip set up and here we are I own it all outright and I can say fuck you to whom ever I please ! Ten acres and no neighbors ! Go Dave do what works for you I just got lucky !
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 14, 2019, 07:38 AM:
 
Thank y'all for the kind words. So, Mark likes my custom title aye ?

I might have a screw loose thinking about Vegas !! I ain't movin' to Kalifornia though don't worry !!

It might not be all that different though ? Dunno

Sold my cows Saturday that's a relief. Fed the goats this morning 20 above no big deal. I can't figure it out though the mild Idaho winters are really screwing with me lately ?

Thanks Paul. I understand your situation now. Bottom line is life isn't always supposed to be the same. Sometimes shit just happens. I get so tired of everyone it seems sometimes. Getting on me for consideration of different things.

They might be right ? sometimes change can be good though. Even though it might come in a different form than we expect.

Despite being the "prick" that I am. I try to keep an open mind.
 

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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 14, 2019, 08:09 AM:
 
Dave,

"I might have a screw loose thinking about Vegas !! I ain't movin' to Kalifornia though don't worry !!"
Lost Wages, Boulder City, Henderson. Everybody locks their doors, can't keep Christmas,Halloween,St.Patricks Day anything outside because it gets stolen or trashed. Did I mention when I was working down there that it was not uncommon to find corpses around where I was, on Boulder Hwy.
ileagles everywhere and on and on. Not to mention it really is just a suburb of Commiefornia with the same brainwashed socialist, communist mind sets. Really think about it before you regret it. Even if you have family there. I have family there in Henderson also but I absolutely dread even the thought of visiting them. I could go on and on but you get the picture.
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on January 14, 2019, 10:20 AM:
 
Vegas Think Harry Reid
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 14, 2019, 12:59 PM:
 
He's from Searchlight. Largest building in town is a casino. And, it could just as easily have been named, "Crossroads". I bet he could get hired as a Greeter, like ko ko. Why does everybody pic on ko ko? Anyway?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 14, 2019, 03:10 PM:
 
Yeah, I'm just a harmless loveable little fuzz-ball.
Oh, and by the way, I'm a forklift driver, not a greeter anymore. Reid couldn't qualify as a greeter; a personality is required.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 14, 2019, 03:11 PM:
 
And another thing; You misspelled 'pick'.


 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 14, 2019, 03:24 PM:
 
Ya, but it don't count because it was intentional. ha ha!

edit: oh, and another thing, also intentional. We all know you flunked "greeter" but I like to keep bringing it up in my subtle ways, like I forgot or something?
Any chance they might give you a 2nd chance? Or is GREETER a demotion or promotion? I'm pretty sure you need a fork lift license to drive a forklift, right? Maybe you didn't pass the "Greeter License" if there is one? There SHOULD BE! That's a pretty important position they don't just hand out to anybody! You have to be old, and look it. So, what other qualifications? Grumpy? You can do grumpy, can't ya? If it don't pay as much, forget it. You still have to get all dressed up, wear the vest and comb the nettles out. All them bathroom breaks, and you're the first line of defense, tackling shoplifters and the other Walmart People we see on You Tube. Besides that, you are quiet a celebrity, with everybody in town knowing you.

Good hunting. El Bee

PS I left a little nugget for you to find. Let's see how long it takes for you to find it! If you do?

[ January 14, 2019, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 14, 2019, 04:09 PM:
 
It wouldn’t be the fact he was in silent movies in his younger years would it.

Good Hunting Chad
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 14, 2019, 06:21 PM:
 
You misspelled yeah as 'ya'.
They did away with Greeters at our store because all we could do with the thieves is to tell them "Thank you for shoplifting at Wall*Mart."
Now we have a Security Guard in uniform and I can spend most of the night outside.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 14, 2019, 06:24 PM:
 
That's it Chad; pile on the frail old guy.
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 14, 2019, 07:26 PM:
 
Sorry KoKo, I was just subtly trying to answer LB’s little nugget post script without coming right out and answering it. (Clue: quiet). 😉
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 14, 2019, 09:03 PM:
 
He wouldn’t have noticed, Chad. Now he’s going to say it was so blatantly obvious, why would I bother pointing it out? You don’t get too be old without treacherous to.

(It’s a trap, Chad, don’t touch it this time!)

Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 15, 2019, 03:50 AM:
 
While you guys play 'Speling Police' I think that I'll go fishing.


 

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Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on January 15, 2019, 08:19 AM:
 
Chad you are right I didn’t think about the entries being different so that makes more sense.

Side note, rumor has it is that a group from Nevada bought the rights to worlds and its heading back to Elko.
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 15, 2019, 09:17 AM:
 
It’s probably the Shippy’s. They ran it several years ago when it was in Elko. They did a good job. I hope that’s the case. I really enjoyed that hunt.
 

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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 15, 2019, 10:35 AM:
 
The world in Elko was my first ever coyote contest with my buddy Ron Welch from Susanville. It was a blast and we didn't do bad for a couple contest newbies 12TH OR 13TH something like that and met a lot of great guys. Sold a bunch of calls and that pretty much paid for it. I believe they had one more there and then it was gone to Arizona I think. Been awhile. Glad to hear it may be back in Elko. Like I said it was fun time with a bunch of pretty nice guys.
 

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Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on January 15, 2019, 11:30 AM:
 
Seems to be true, WEPS bought it, Jim cashed the check yesterday. Not sure who they are but that’s the word on the street.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 19, 2019, 05:44 PM:
 
Thanks Walt !! Sounds like you & others here know what your talking about. I'd consider Ely but there ain't no jobs & it's probably windier than here.

See that's the thing about Nevada if your still in the working age. There ain't shit except for Reno or Vegas. I just really wanted to be a few hours away, don't look like a possibility ?

I guess a flight here & there is in order. Did I mention I hate airplanes. Did I mention I'm closterfobic ?

Oh' well raining like hell here. I think it was two years ago today we got 15"-18" of snow in about 5 hours. On top of the two feet or so of settled packed snow. Ah' memories

[ January 19, 2019, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 20, 2019, 07:25 AM:
 
Dave Allen, you bring up a subject that has always baffled me. Every time I cruise through some quaint little Berg, I always wonder just what the hell the locals do for a living?

For me, I always sort of envied the people that could earn a living anywhere. Like, a cop can be a cop in New Yock City or Boron, it's all the same basically. Or, a writer, or maybe an artist? These people can live in an apartment in West Hollywood or (say) on a mountaintop watching for forest fires. But, when you carefully drive the speed limit through one of these chickenshit little towns, I think, well, I know somebody has a job at the gas station and then there's 3 more at the greasy spoon on main street, but after that, what do the rest of these people do to earn a living? They can't all be pensioners?

Of course, I happened to learn, accidentally, at a Dairy Queen at Cherico Summit, that the crew was bussed in from Blythe, none of them lived in that god forsaken "Last Picture Show" community. Still, I always had the daydream that I would like to experience 30 days in July, in some backwater in Kansas, or even in DAA's dad's place in Caliente, NV where the Union Pacific puts on a hell of a 4th of July fireworks display every year. So, that's one answer, a man retires to a sleepy little town on a semi busy highway, then passes away a few years later.

I always needed a major population center with industry to make a living. I spent my whole life in the food industry, or pharmaceuticals and those type of businesses tend to be in the big city; any big city will do, but nobody is looking for what I do in small town America. Meaning I always must endure rush hour, or in SoCal, about a 4 hour rush hour, uphill, both directions. And yet they say that the Millennials are moving from rural areas to the big population centers because the wages are higher?

Seems like it's a tradeoff because, take the welfare people for instance. The state of California or the various counties are moving people that have lived their whole life in borderless southern California out to sleepy towns in Yucca Valley and Boron because they can rent an apartment for $600 rather than $1,200 in West Covina. This leaves more disposable income for drugs and cable TV. Take Boron. Used to support an Airforce facility and then a Federal prison and then nothing. There is a trailer park in town with nothing but concrete pads, and maybe hundreds of small apartments with plywood on the windows and no utilities, but that doesn't keep out the squatters. To say the community has changed is an understatement. I know a guy who owns 18 crummy properties, he's the Landlord in town and he rents to the welfare people bringing much needed crime to sleepy, bucolic Boron. I think there is one legit restaurant in town and of course, it's Mexican. So, that's the hope for these small towns, rejuvenating with welfare people and cheap rent. But it's not exactly the sleepy little town I could retire to. I'm pretty sure there are no medical facilities closer than Lancaster?

That's the other thing. Retire to someplace where there is no hospital within 50 miles? That's what happened to my cousin's husband, Billy. When he collapsed on the porch of his cabin in Mormon Lake, he had to be helicoptered to Phoenix, where he never regained whatever it is? My spellchecker refuses to cooperate.

Somebody a lot of us know once said that he would never move anywhere that there wasn't a Walmart within 15 miles. By that measure, I'm so fortunate to have 3 within 3 miles of me. Why would I want to move? Except for the oppressive Democratic Socialism, it's like Paradise....with high taxes. Even gas is a dollar a gallon more than across the river in AZ. Property taxes? Don't get me started!

I know, too late for that. Sorry to ramble!

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 20, 2019, 10:42 AM:
 
Yeah it makes ya wonder ? Government jobs ? Railroad maybe ?

I wonder if some retired folk moved to these places when things were cheap ?

Ain't no where cheap now as far as I can figure ?
 

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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 20, 2019, 01:28 PM:
 
Came here a couple years ago now and all the land is being bought up and homes put in.
there is work for those that want it, I'm retired.
The meth heads are rampant and will steal you blind. Have had two encounters and one I was glad I had a pistol on my belt. The newspaper is nothing but reports on meth and pills or heroin busts and two pages of church listings. Welcome to the Bible Belt.
Does seem like the people that are moving in and buying land and putting up houses are either from north of here, like New York, etc. or from the west coast,in this case Nevada.
But it is pretty conservative in the particular place I live and really like 96% white. I don't have any problems with a black man but they don't seem to be here anyways. Can't say the same for the cities. And like I said before I haven't seen any Mexican landscapers. When was the last time you saw white landscapers?
So in saying, I don't think you can escape any of it. Nearest China-Mart is 15 minutes away which is better than Ely was with it being between 3 1/2 to 4 hours away. And medical is the same. No life flights if you have a heart attack. Which I had in Ely/Ruth.
Caliente is ok and Panaca is pretty nice, but a Mormon town with no beer and no tobacco.
No where you go anymore because of the overwhelming population growth to be happy and make a living or even retire it seems.
But keep looking, there has to be somewhere you can find that has good weather,hunting and fishing and a China-Mart not too far off. You may have to lower your standard of income but everything is some sort of trade off. Isn't it.
 

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