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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 17, 2018, 05:32 PM:

Since we don't seem to be having a camp-out this year and another thread seems to indicate that we're shutting down in Oct. I thought that I'd mention that I have a Rigor Rabbit decoy that I may part with if the offer's good.
I plan on taking it to the 'North of Willcox' site on Sat. 5 Jan. '19 and Sun. 6 Jan. '19 if anybody would care to drop by and look it over.
The dates or the location are not up for debate.
As long as I'm there, I'll probably set up my tent trailer and awning. Might as well put a package of Brats on the bbq, too. A bottle of mead would go well with the brats. And some music; gotta have a Willy Jack cd playing. [Cool]

[ November 24, 2018, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 18, 2018, 07:04 AM:

Well, the way I read the chatter, if someone comes up with $25,000, the site will close down. BUT. This will give me the opportunity to do the remake and the reincarnation of
The New HuntmastersBBS 2.0

Everything would be transferred, membership rolls, archives, and all your sage pronouncements.

PS the phrase Rigor Rabbit rings some kind of bell? Was it a decoy of some type?

You know, back in the dark ages, before camo, I invented a decoy using string and rubber bands and a stuffed puppy. While it was pretty useless to yank on the string most of the stand, when a coyote was spotted, I could have used an assistant to keep up the motion, so I could unlimber the machine gun. Incidentally, this was also before C cell batteries were invented.

Well, I'm kidding about that, but not about camo. At one time, it was totally unavailable. If lucky, you might score a WWII surplus HBT, but commercial camouflage clothing had not been invented yet.
El Bee

edit: HBT, you might ask? I was in the Army for a year and a half, filling out my laundry slips and never knew what the hell HBT meant. "Herring Bone Twill" (don't ask, that's all I know)

[ September 18, 2018, 07:09 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 18, 2018, 08:05 AM:

Yeah, it's a paranoid looking rabbit that shakes & shimmies.
I'll be at the old camp-out site for two days if anybody wants to look at it.

Actually, I may get there Friday afternoon to get set up and pull out Sunday afternoon.

Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on September 18, 2018, 03:44 PM:

I will be there Koko. Drove past it couple months ago, when hauling my dog to the vet there in Safford. Sure looked like it was locked up to my eye? Maybe I wasn't paying close attention? Looked like the rancher had improved to site, corrals, water etc?
I plan on being in the area from mid December for a couple four weeks or so, I'll sure plan on dropping by and shooting the shit with you, don't know about the Meade?, never had a swig of the stuff.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 18, 2018, 05:27 PM:

The two track goes past the corrals & tank. Actually, we have the option of either east or west of the Hwy. I'll get down there and figure out which side would be more better.
Mead is what the Vikings in Valhalla drank. A bit on the sweet side but I like it now & then.
You know Dr. Debbie ??? Invite her to stop by, too. Amazon Women always welcome !!!!

Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on September 18, 2018, 07:33 PM:

Dr. Debbie is a good one for sure. In 2003, I worked for a ranch east of my place about 15 miles. One day we had about 25 head of new angus herd bulls that had to be semen tested, Deb was the vet who took care of this place. I had the unsavory job of punching the ass of each bull with an electrode about the size of a caulking gun, when fully inserted, the juice was turned on, the bull stiffens like hit with a tazer, immediately gains an erection, while Dr Deb hold the member in question and lets it squirt a load in a dixie cup.
That sample is put under a microscope and the bull is given a heads up for a good sample, or a thumbs down. One young cowboy took an obvious shine to Deb and her deft handling of bull pricks.
The next bull in line, when achieving an erection had obvious problems with warts, which looked somewhat like half a dozen small concord grapes along the shaft, Dr. Deb popped those things between her thumb and forefinger and shot blood two feet, this occurred just as the hand mentioned he wished he could be a bull. Without missing a stroke, she said step up cowboy and you can be next in line!
She's a good one Koko, hell, I saved over $150 bucks even after driving all the way to Safford, to get my dog neutered compared to the cheapest in Cochise county, they run a tight ship there at Desert Cross.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 19, 2018, 07:03 AM:

Wow! We need pics! I need Dr Debbie as my next screen saver. I think it best that Dorthee tags along on these neutering trips, next time. (just kidding)

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 19, 2018, 07:20 AM:

El Bee; Screen saver sent. [Smile]

Vic, it'll be good to se you again.
Ariel mentioned that he'll stop by, too.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 19, 2018, 12:40 PM:

If we let it drop that you are providing free root beer, we might see a reincarnation of the famous campouts of the past.

BTW, what's the reason for the date and the non negotiating? Not that I care, somebody's got to step up.

But for me, when certain people backed out of a commitment at the last minute, I had the feeling like herding cats, in organizing these events and getting people to turn out. None of the annual campouts were for my personal benefit, I just always felt that this was a worthy thing, to meet and greet. I sometimes felt that they might like to be paid to be there, anyway, if we can have a little bs session and reacquaint I'm all for it.

I think if we headline up in Member's Forum that the original Coyote God, Victor Carlson is going to attend, we might exceed expectations. LB

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 19, 2018, 01:04 PM:

The reason the place & date are not open to debate is because for the last few years we pissed around over details trying to please everybody until the wheels fell off of the train.

I have a small supply of Henry's Root Beer. First come first served.

Hope that you liked that screen saver. Never get tired of that one.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 19, 2018, 01:08 PM:

I can't open it? if you could send it in the body of the text as a link instead of an attachment?

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 23, 2018, 06:50 PM:

Hmmmmmm…………
The subtle approach to a camp-out doesn't seem to be getting much attention.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 24, 2018, 03:50 AM:

It's because nobody looks at anything past Member Forum. If you, I or we want to get information out, it pretty much needs to be posted in Member's Forum at the top of the page.

So, are you beginning to understand the frustration involved in organizing just about anything when strong independent minded men are concerned?

Don't give up yet. Not quite yet.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 24, 2018, 04:47 AM:

Yeah, that's why this is going to pretty much be a low keyed thing.
Well aware that in most cases if ten people say that they'll attend, setting the table for five would be about right.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 24, 2018, 03:06 PM:

The way I have felt about these things, ever since the first one, I guess it was 2003? I just never wanted to jazz it up and try to "enhance" the turnout. I have always felt that if they want to come, that's great. But I don't want anybody to feel like they are doing me a favor. If these guys don't see the value in getting to know each other on a personal level, as opposed to writing a post on a message board. Big difference.

Sometimes, you feel exactly how you expected towards the particular member. Rarely, they aren't quite as you expected. Mostly, they come across in person as they do on the boards.

Still, (oh) one thing that's different is they sometimes don't look like you expected. Sometimes they have a snow white beard, which is a surprise; stuff like that.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 24, 2018, 04:56 PM:

[Big Grin]

Should'a seen it when it was the color of a new copper penny.
And long. People used to cringe when I pulled the bowstring back into it. Never got tangled, though.
[Cool]

Edit 2 spel.

[ September 24, 2018, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: Kokopelli ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 25, 2018, 06:48 AM:

Interesting. That entanglement would concern me, kinda like I feel wearing a ghilli suit and working a bolt action. I'd be scared that those strings would get jammed up in the action.

I also wonder how best to keep the frosting of the cake from being smeared all over my face? I assume it requires decisions, what to, and what not?

My apologies, as you can guess, I'm not a big fan of that stuff. Seriously, I don't get what is the satisfaction? Nothing feels better, after a week in the woods than to get the itchy stubble shaved off. I'd be as white as you; and at one time, my beard was a dark reddish color.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 25, 2018, 08:46 AM:

[Big Grin]

I razor burnt my chin once too often about four decades ago. Hasn't happened since.

Cake frosting's no big deal.
Bbq-ed ribs, on the other hand, it ain't pretty.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 25, 2018, 09:42 AM:

The mental picture is gruesome

Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on September 28, 2018, 04:49 PM:

I’ll be there Koko, let me know if there is anything I can help you with.

I second the motion that we should invite Dr Debbie, she is easy to look at.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 28, 2018, 06:29 PM:

Yeah, and if we have an arm wrestling contest she could hand us all our asses.

[Eek!]

Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on September 28, 2018, 09:26 PM:

That’s a fact!!

Seriously let me know if I can do anything to help. I have a rotisserie I could bring out and we could cook us up a little pig (lechon style). There is a guy in Pima who i buy my pigs from and his prices are good.

If the location doesn’t workout there are plenty of options. Stockton pass has a nice camping area, high creek, sunset loop, plenty of good areas.

Posted by ATexan (Member # 6799) on November 01, 2018, 03:17 PM:

How would a outstate member like myself get the directions to this campout? Is this an invite only deal or open invite?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 01, 2018, 07:49 PM:

If you are a member, you are invited, Amigo!
Directions will be forthcoming, it's described as north of Wilcox, but ko ko is local and he can nail it down in plenty of time. LB

Posted by ATexan (Member # 6799) on November 02, 2018, 04:53 AM:

That's good news. Looking at a map of Arizona, Wilcox is about 10 hour drive for me. Not to bad at all. If I read the earlier post correct the dates are Jan 5th and 6th 2019.
Being this would be the first get together I have attended, what would one expect from this campout?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 02, 2018, 08:53 AM:

the usual, group hugs, etc.

No, that's dedication! 10 hour drive! For me, it's like probably 7 hours. ko ko can walk it.

The ambience is casual, dress is hunter chick. Some are up and at 'em. And some wait awhile before heading out to slay a few critters. It's all freestyle, if anybody might know a couple of areas to try, ko ko?

It's not seminars and that kind of stuff, it's mostly getting to know people that you previously only knew in print.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by ATexan (Member # 6799) on November 02, 2018, 09:15 AM:

Sounds like a good time!
Shoot 10 hrs drive ain't to bad. Hell I can take off from here nd drive 10 hours and still be in Texas!
What type of hunting license would I need to purchase? Don't know the rules for as predator hunting in Arizona.
Looking forward to meeting y'all and having a great weekend.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 02, 2018, 12:38 PM:

That’s a good question! Arizona loves to stick it to non res.

The last I paid was $160 for an annual small game. If they come up a little short funding illegal welcoming committee, I’m sure non resident hunters will be the first they ask to contribute.

Posted by ATexan (Member # 6799) on November 02, 2018, 01:24 PM:

Wow, I better start saving for my hunting license and fuel. Yea, I always get bent over when going out of state hunting....

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 02, 2018, 02:37 PM:

The way that I'm reading the Regs, you can get a one day combo hunt / fish license for $20 a day. Even three days would be cheaper than the yearly cost.
It would be prudent to call Game & Fish to confirm that and cover Hunter Safety requirements, etc.

Posted by ATexan (Member # 6799) on November 02, 2018, 03:10 PM:

Thank you Ko Ko for the information. I am happy to hear the price for one day hunt/fish is only 20$. I have sent a email out to Arizona fish and game inquire about non-resident hunting licenses and requirements.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 03, 2018, 05:51 AM:

OK, one thing on the license; since this is going to happen in Jan. if you do buy the yearly license, it would still be good should you decide to return in the fall.

Bring clothing; It's not unlikely to see temps of 20* to 80* …………………. the same day. Wind is optional and rain is always a possibility.

Tim Behle's not here to cook for us so bring your own vittles.

Hopefully, we can keep this whole thing simple and have a good time.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 03, 2018, 07:55 AM:

That's one of thee only benefits that non res ever got was a couple years ago they changed to an annual license. If you purchase the annual license in (say) June, it's good until the following June. Before, I'd buy a license in the fall, and it would only be good until December 31. Of course, it wasn't too long ago that the Arizona non resident small game annual license was $40. Which, for shooting coyotes, other states like Nevada and Wyoming, you don't need a license at all. Arizona has always reamed the non Resident, but the good part is the resident license is dirt cheap....wonder why?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 03, 2018, 09:30 AM:

It's a vast right wing conspiracy to attract armed red-necks to this state. We have a western boarder to defend against hippies from Calif. and the southern boarder against migrant drug smugglers.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 03, 2018, 11:55 AM:

No, I'll tell you what it is. And has always been, a distinct prejudice against foreigners, especially California residents. Arizonans think they are pretty hot shit. The truth is, they copy every little trend emanating from the Golden State, almost as quickly as Japs, where it is well known that the latest California fad is 10 hours from Tokyo via Jumbo Jet. It's almost funny to see those Nip hipsters with their Rad styles and dance moves, straight from Hollywood. Even funnier is the Arizona Cowboy version, all hat, no cattle; but they follow California styles two weeks after it's passé from Santa Monica to San Francisco. They are just discovering Hula Hoops and In N Out Hamburgers.
But, like puppies, they're cute when they are little.

(just kidding)

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: PS besides, I seem to recall, ko ko is an immigrant himself. As is Paul. But, I ain't bragging, no room to talk, until I get off my ass and buy me a double wide somewhere across the river.

[ November 03, 2018, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 03, 2018, 12:13 PM:

HA !!!!!
When I moved to Arizona I was welcomed by damn near everyone that I met.
Contrast that with moving from Calif. to Wash. I lived up in that corner of Hell that's too wet to burn for 13 years. The locals never forgave me for being Californian with only one exception; Krusty.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 03, 2018, 02:50 PM:

I gotta admit, that's probably true, all of it.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 24, 2018, 02:09 PM:

It's time to go mainstream with this get together. If you want to know what's going on, check this space. Anyone who is a member is welcome to attend. ko ko will post clear and precise directions on how to get there and will be the bouncer if you start mouthing off, which has never happened knock on wood.

Anyway. it's getting close so anything you want to know or ask about, do it here so every body can benefit, meaning, don't email me or him, put it here on the Forum so everybody can appreciate your dumb questions; and as everybody knows, there is no such thing as a dumb question.

Good hunting. El Bee

[ November 24, 2018, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 24, 2018, 06:19 PM:

That was a great story Vic ! I needed a laugh.

Koko is kalifornain NOOOOO say it ain't SOOOOO

[Razz]

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 24, 2018, 07:35 PM:

Ok just cooked supper. Chili burgers !! Beef from a friend home grown. Got to thinking. Dangerous I know.

If anyone is a days drive away please go. I'm probably three away [Frown]

I feel like I know everyone here. We could meet up anytime & feel right @ home !!

The "net" is a strange place. It can bring us all together from far & wide. Yet we mostly never meet on an individual basis.

So we all know each other right ? If given the chance we all need to meet one another when & if possible.

I'll host next year. Cold as shit in January though !! my pasture will be froze though. Shouldn't have to worry about mud ? Plenty of parking !! RV's welcome !!

Sleeping with the goats optional. They do have a nice little house. Straw layered pretty deep. Cozy !!

[ November 24, 2018, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on November 25, 2018, 03:21 AM:

Golden state ????? polished turd !

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 25, 2018, 05:09 AM:

Dave;
Not sure what I am.
Born in Ohio.
Grew up in Mich.
Lived in Mo. for a bit.
Moved to Calif. with the folks. Stayed for 25 years & hunted most of the Western States.
13 years in Wash. When I left I stopped and ran across the freeway to piss on the 'Welcome to Wash.' sign.
Been in Arizona for ten years. I'm home now.
Note down by my sig line …... "Under a wandering star".

Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on November 25, 2018, 05:57 AM:

I would love to show up Koko but I'll be guess where?
Komyfunkinornia. I told the wife this is our last trip to the gay,stoned, left wing beaches. We made plans months ago to go over there and it is too late to cancel. The deal killer for me is the ammunition license you now have to have to possess ammunition. NO provision is made for out of state tourists. In the past I always took revolvers with a bunch of ammo carried legally. I cannot take my semiauto pistols because I only have high cap mags. My reasoning is in the event of a big natural disaster, I wanted something to stop the raping and plundering like what happened after Katrina. I have an Az CCW which means if I get pulled over by a Komyfornia cop, he will know I have a CCW when he runs my driver's license, and I'm sure he'll search the hell out of our car looking for illegal guns and ammo. Arizona doesn't put CCW information on vehicle license plates. They put it only on our drivers license.

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 25, 2018, 09:50 AM:

Good Kalifornians unfortunately take too much undeserved shit !!

Really sad. Orygone & Warshington is just as bad.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 25, 2018, 11:59 AM:

And, I feel sorry for holier than thou arizonans because when they elect that Blonde witch to the Senate, they are next in line for a progressive reversal. I never thought it could happen, and I'm wrong. But, I have been telling you guys for years, you follow every trend from The Land of The Fruits and The Nuts. Welcome to Liberalism/Socialism.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 25, 2018, 12:24 PM:

We didn't 'elect' her.
The absentee ballots from all of the cemeteries did.
Somebody prove me wrong. [Frown]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 25, 2018, 03:10 PM:

WHY AIN'T YOU SCREAMING;

"THE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATS STOLE THE ELECTION!"

"WAH WAH WAH"

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 01, 2018, 11:25 AM:

Need to start the count down. 35 days!

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 02, 2018, 09:01 AM:

35 days!

Hello? Need to nail this down. Who's handling the raffle and the band?

Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on December 02, 2018, 02:06 PM:

I can't help with raffle or band but could drop off a load of fire wood if evening fires are on the agenda.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 02, 2018, 02:31 PM:

Perfect !!!! Wood will be great !!!
Thanx.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 02, 2018, 07:42 PM:

It's time to get specific, ko ko.

Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on December 03, 2018, 04:38 AM:

Let me know if there is anything I can help with Richard. I plan on making it out there for a night or two. Might sleep in my own bed though, where you wanna camp its only 15 minutes south of me. Hopefully there are still some callable coyotes around, with the southern az two weeks ago and worlds this weekend I’m sure all the dumb ones are dead.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 03, 2018, 06:11 AM:

I'll get down there in the next day or two and decide if we're better off East or West of the Hwy.

Question; How do we want to handle the directions to location ???
We've done the secret handshake & password route in the past.
Or El Bee could email specific directions to interested parties.
Or we could just post directions here.

Ariel, Thanx for the offer !! If I think of anything I'll let you know but this is pretty much 'come and camp for a couple of days & bring what you need'.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 03, 2018, 09:18 AM:

Hmm? I could go either way on directions. The main highway and turnoffs may be published, and the exact X marks the spot could be sent to interested folks via email. Or, I'm open for suggestions.

Of course, reading the latest info from Senior Perez, there might be scarce or slim pickings; however we are experts, right? And, the main thing is the "meet and greet" aspect.

Now, as far as what to expect. Do not expect any organized welcoming committee and door prizes and scheduled speakers and seminars. I think it will be very casual, not much hard hunting, save that for the next time. As far as celebrities, I think Vic has mentioned he might drop by, and that's worth the price of admission right there. I will have a table for autographs, and reasonable. I'm just kidding. Just expect a friendly group, a little hunting and a lot of conversation. Pretty much, everybody will have to provide their own grub, unless someone wants to share. I brought spaghetti one year and I think it went over well, but that's up to our members to do as much or as little as they can manage.

So, let's see what happens. I think putting a face to the name is the main thing. My wife had a online group that had a Ronde up in Reno one year at a restaurant, a few pictures and fun. I guess it's what you make of it?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on December 03, 2018, 01:55 PM:

There are still plenty left to be killed, majority of the dumb ones have been killed I imagine. Like you said though your the expert so I’m sure you can coax one out for a shot. Night hunting will be open in unit 31 and 32 so if anybody is interested in that don’t forget your night hunting gear.

I’m not expecting anything fancy, I just like to bs, shoot coyotes and drink a few cerveza‘s.

Posted by ATexan (Member # 6799) on December 04, 2018, 08:54 AM:

Looking forward to this campout/get together. Looking at taking off the 4th of Jan after work to make the 10 1/2 hour drive. hopefully I will be in arizona early Friday morning. I have a few questions for the locals. Where would be the easiest place to buy my hunting licenses there in Wilcox? Is there a wally world or sporting good store handy? Also, I am not gonna try driving my 89 jeep that far so I will be in my two wheel drive duramax. So getting out hunting may be hard for me... Is anyone bring atvs for hunting? I was debating on bring my Dirt bike for transportation between stands.
And HELL YES to the night hunting! I am very interested in night hunting.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 04, 2018, 10:23 AM:

If you can get your license on-line thru Az. Game & Fish it might be easier.
Otherwise the Wally World in Scenic Safford would be the closest.
I hunt out of a pick-up and rarely need four wheel drive. A lot of decent dirt roads go thru good calling areas. Ariel's already killed all of the coyotes but they're still nice areas.
BTW; We tend to regard people from "The-Great-State-of-Texas" (pronounced as one word) as you guys from Back East. [Big Grin]

Looking forward to meeting you !!!!

Posted by ATexan (Member # 6799) on December 04, 2018, 11:02 AM:

Thank you for the info koko. I will go the online route. Sounds easier. I lived in Phoenix for a few years so I know a little about desert life. Rode lots of miles out in the surrounding areas in the valley of the sun. Never made it to the southeast part of your state. Looking forward to seeing your part of the world.
Ya make me smile calling me a person from back east. Good one!

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 04, 2018, 02:22 PM:

[Big Grin]

Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on December 07, 2018, 12:10 PM:

Leonard are you coming to the camp out??

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 08, 2018, 09:04 AM:

I'm planning on it. I want to. I think I'm up to it. I might have to pack some medication in ice. We will see how it turns out.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 10, 2018, 08:01 AM:

Ok, the gas line two track to our regular spot is gated & locked so I found a pretty fair spot on the East side of the Highway.
I sent Leonard the directions so if anybody needs them he should be able to forward the email to you.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 10, 2018, 10:13 AM:

Wouldn't it be interesting to know who locked that gate and the justification for it?

Another thing. I can forward these directions which are in word form but I think it might be helpful if either me or ko ko included our cell phone number to help someone that's lost.

Service is, or was spotty in that area, by the way.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on December 10, 2018, 07:47 PM:

That's all state land there too, curious how it is legally locked? One would think it could be legally "unlocked" with a good pair of bolt cutters?
It pisses me off that the G&F, State or BLM doesn't take some steps to rectify this growing problem of locking off State land because further in is deeded land, fence the deeded land and lock it, but our State lands should be accessible to the taxpayers....it's our land, the rancher is just renting the grass from us.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 11, 2018, 03:25 AM:

Yeah, I feel pretty strongly that if a rancher uses deeded land to block access to public land they should be denied grazing permits.
At one time Klump Ranch had the two track East of the Hwy posted at the cattle guard.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 11, 2018, 09:59 AM:

I completely agree! Some asshole running cows on BLM or state land feels justified to throw a lock on it because somebody left a gate open.

Pat and I used to hunt very long stretches of Nevada and after driving 50 miles in the dirt and an empty gas tank, we would come on a locked gate! Turning around isn’t an option. So out of courtesy, we would cut the friggin’ chain instead of his fancy lock.

When you are right, I’m not afraid to neutralize access denial.

Good hunting LB

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 11, 2018, 12:05 PM:

Many times, we would cut the closest link on the chain, pass through and then wrap it up to make it look like it was still locked. I can't tell you how many times some asshole would lock a damned gate within a 100 feet of the highway! His intent was to discourage those on the paved road from getting into open desert but when you are on the other side, something has to be done.

I had a friend, passed away but I completely believe what he said. This fella had a little station in the middle of nowhere and on a rather well traveled graded road. As the driver got out to open the gate that wasn't even locked, this guy stood in his doorway with a gun and said there was no trespassing through that gate, which had been open for years. My friend stood up in the back and also had a gun and said; "we are going through that gate." And they did. All BLM land for miles around, I knew the place and had been by there several dozen times, myself. It gets pretty desperate up there with gas so far between and what makes it worse, you had to know which ones were open at night or on Sundays. Lots of times I have waited til morning, and a few times had the deputy go get the owner. You learn, it's on the job training. This is why my buddy built his camper shell on his new truck sitting on top of a 90 gallon extra gas tank the length and width of the bed, but only 5" deep, with several baffles for inclines and a tep front and back. I've never seen problems like this anywhere besides Nevada. Makes for a long walk, and bring the damned bolt cutters!

I've no interest in trespassing on private property, but this is different.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on December 11, 2018, 12:37 PM:

I just ran into the locked gate problem on some State Trust land that I have previously killed some coyotes on. I call the Az Game and Fish in Tucson and was directed to Arizona State Land Department whom I called (602 542-4631). I was informed that if the land was leased, the rancher as lessee could legally lock the gate. By accessing Azland.gov and opening the parcel viewer, the person leasing the land is listed. No contact info just some info on the land i.e.. acreage , legal description. I am trying to find out if you can legally access the leased land on foot. I have encountered access problems on trust land surrounded by posted deeded land, that sucks to! I guess I will contact my state representative and see what kind of BS they have to offer.

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 11, 2018, 12:44 PM:

Well, if you are on Facebook...you can join the Arizona Sportsman Open Access to State and Federal Land page.
Its newer, but some good info on there.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1217527875071120/

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 11, 2018, 12:45 PM:

How much is it to lease AZ land? Maybe we should get together and lease it all up?
Mark

Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on December 11, 2018, 05:23 PM:

I know Vic knows the orchard north Wilcox. On my last trip there in November The two track off the blacktop is now posted by the pivots, and the gate to state trust land is locked. Ran into the game warder there and he checked my license, while guys on the state trust ground told us we were trespassing.

Noticed a bunch of state trust ground gates are locked, even on the old devils highway.

Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on December 11, 2018, 05:37 PM:

OH well, I just noticed the dates again, I planned on getting there the week before the MLK holiday. Looks like I'll miss this one.

[ December 11, 2018, 05:38 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]

Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on December 12, 2018, 04:46 AM:

Dan S that’s the lazy S ranch, I have been lucky enough to be on good terms with Eddie and I have a key to all his locks but it’s still crazy how he gets away with locking up all that land.

I was just there a few weeks ago and he was talking about somebody from out of state that was trying to get on the leased land and dealing with game and fish. I assume it was you, Eddie isn’t that bad of a guy and as long as people go talk to him and not sneak on he will usually give you access. But he is still in the wrong for locking all that shit up in my opinion, I think this is his second or third year locking all the gates.

Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on December 12, 2018, 05:36 AM:

I have been out of town helping my grandson harvest a late season bull elk.

On election night McSally was the clear winner. A day or two later after counting all of the provisional ballots that slime commie bitch won. I fear for my states future.

Wish I could join you guys.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 12, 2018, 06:31 AM:

Bad news, all the gates are locked! Good news, Mr Scorched Earth will be leaving a few for the rest of us. lol

These pricks locking gates are starting to piss me off!

Another thing. It's real easy for some dink to tell you that you are trespassing and nothing to back him up. It's one thing to own title and restrict access. It's quite another to lock up public land because he's tight with some authority figure. This shit is pissing me off and I ain't even there yet!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: I will have available some printed up business cards that allow the bearer access to all state trust land authorized by well known Supervisor Mr Victor Carlson, with a toll free number to call for to verify. That should do it!

[ December 12, 2018, 06:34 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on December 12, 2018, 08:23 AM:

That should work Victor is A Gawd in them parts !
And my hero ! man shoots eggs thrown in the air with a .22

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 12, 2018, 01:10 PM:

He's a God in these parts, too!

And, by the way, I've never seen that demonstration. Guess I was too busy hunting. But, come January, if somebody brings a 22, maybe he will entertain us?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on December 12, 2018, 06:37 PM:

Good grief LB, Ariel and his pardner, Brent and his pardner tore em up the weekend before I got there. Hell I think it took "Scorched Earth" all week to get what Ariels team did in 1.5 days. Laffin, those guys are Machines!

Ariel, yea that was probably us he was talking to at the locked gate. That is the same gate that has had a State trust sign on it for the last umteen years.

I wonder if someone posting public land or blocking hunting on public land could get arrested,cited for hunter harrassment.

I think Krump has signs on state trust also in Wilcox too.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 13, 2018, 09:09 AM:

I think we need Vic to look into this situation! How does state trust land become private or leased? But, I have a big problem with these people trying to keep out the riff raff. Afraid somebody will shoot one of his fucking cows!

All in favor, say AYE

edit:
PS dan, your title is a joke. a compliment to your dedication.

[ December 13, 2018, 09:10 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on December 13, 2018, 10:19 AM:

He says it’s because people trash his water tanks, leave gates open, mess with his horse pasture. The list goes on and on with him, one thing he told me is somebody drove into a washed out road and damaged his vehicle and wanted Eddie to pay for the damages. So now he locked up a few gates and put a sign up saying road is washed out needs work. I have looked into it a little and I think he can lock the gates for veichle access, you can still hunt the public land but you have to walk in which doesn’t really work for predator hunters.

Yes the klumps put their signs all over the place even though the majority of it is blm or state. I know a few people have cut their locks but I don’t mess around with that, they are a little on the crazy side. I know its our right to be on public or blm land but I’m not gonna get into a gun fight over a dam coyote. There is still plenty of good land to hunt where you won’t have to deal with anybody calling you out for trespassing.

There are a good number of coyotes out this year, when we did the contest here in Safford we only killed 7 coyotes on private the rest was all public land. We did the Nm championship all on public land and the same for worlds a few weeks ago was all on public.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 13, 2018, 11:09 AM:

Well now. It seems the cat's out of the bag, we have a celebrity amongst us! Just kidding, Ariel but somebody has to tease you over all that success.

I say that with respect, as virtually all my coyote hunting has been involved in contests since the 1960s. I know what it takes and apparently, you have what I call; "the fever". A good thing to have if you are looking for a body count. In fact, unless you have the fever, you will never advance, a coyote or a double and that's it, let's get some lunch!

But still, I don't care what this rancher is crying about. He doesn't have the right to restrict access; fuck walking in! If he has a bitch with somebody, and again, it doesn't pass the smell test, why would somebody fuck with his water tank? If there are hoodlums traveling the back roads of public trust land, the State of Arizona had better get off their ass and take care of the situation. It's not for some non appointed little napoleon to take the law into his own hands. And, that's what he's doing and that's what he is. Next time it comes up somebody needs to oppose his grazing application.

Yeah, cutting locks is a bullshit situation and I don't take it lightly. But I've been in a jamb before. Well, nobody NEEDS to get past that gate, this is true. But there is also a principle involved, we don't have to resort to a friggin' gunfight that the rancher will initiate and will lose if he picks the right victim; i.e.: a varmint hunter. That's very poor judgement and I sure as hell don't advocate it.

I'm against the unfairness, and as I understand it, it's getting out of hand and nobody seems to give a shit. All he and the others are doing is pushing as far as they can get away with, and if nobody feels it's worth it, he always will and maybe decide to extend his reach, (like) who's going to bitch about it? The sheeple? That won't happen.

End of rant, Sheriff Vic is coming to town. [Smile]

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 13, 2018, 11:15 AM:

From what I see on that page, if you are leasing state land you can lock it up. If a horse or cattle get out and cause an accident on the road, the rancher or leasee is responsible. I do agree with ranchers when dipshits litter or otherwise tear shit up everywhere. Fucking up fences and waterholes, leaving gates open, etc. Sometimes tearing up a road cant be helped if you HAVE to get thru, but fucking shit up on purpose I dont agree with. Then again, its state and or public land....they are making a living on land I have a right to be on as well...so theres the rub.

I just think some respect on both ends would go a long way.

You still have it better than most of us here in Kali. I love AZ, love hunting there, dont get to do it enough thats for sure.
Mark
PS...I like good ranchers and farmers, and most are...but just like hunters, theres always an asshole out there doing stupid shit.

[ December 13, 2018, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 13, 2018, 11:35 AM:

What page is that? I'd guess off the top of my head that they can close gates but locking gates is a lot different.

I don't care how many people have accidents while texting, that doesn't allow authority to take away my smart phone. We need to deal with whoever is fouling water holes, and I'm on that guys side, a stupid $50 fine is not enough. But I think this is about a freedom issue.

I'd be the first one to report somebody destroying anything that doesn't belong to them. This sign in sign out situation does have some merit. I don't really have a problem with it. But, this particular solution offends me.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 13, 2018, 12:29 PM:

The facebook page I posted on page 3 of this thread. AZ law allows ranchers to lock it up when leasing.
Mark

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 13, 2018, 12:51 PM:

Okay, thanks. That's a problem. Some deepstate bureaucrat made an unjustifiable rule and everybody's got to submit. That's what deeply offends me. Write your congressman.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Ariel Perez (Member # 4678) on December 13, 2018, 01:42 PM:

Definitely no celebrity here Leonard, that’s the exact reason I never posted anything here on the forum is because I knew you or somebody would give me shit haha. November was really busy for me, I did three contests with two different partners and we ended up killing 59 coyotes in three contest and only won one of them. I had a mission to beat Brent/Brandon and the Stewart brothers and we did just that in the Safford contest. Definitely a weekend I will never forget for the rest of my life, I doubt I’ll ever top that record especially in Arizona.

Brent and Brandon make a dam good team and they are kick ass dudes on top of it. Stewart brothers are a tough team to beat, they are clevengers protégés. They won worlds this year with 23 and 22 were shotgun kills, I have the utmost respect for them and on top of that they are good people.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 13, 2018, 01:45 PM:

I looked at that. Not before, since I'm not on Facebook and have never been allowed access. I also watched a couple of the videos by the ranchers and I am in sympathy. The problem always is, while they say that they are receptive to asking permission, it's frequently impossible to get that permission without trespassing and something I am loathe to do. Somebody mentioned adding a lock, and that's actually a good idea. I have seen places with a half a dozen different locks on a gate, so at least that offers some relief and convenience to somebody that took the effort to ask permission.

I don't know, what the answer is, but the west is tightening up and I don't like to see it. I am quite sure that places I used to go 30-40-50 years ago are out of reach nowadays. Oh Boo Hoo, you say. Yeah, well someday, someone will gore your ox.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: whoa! sorry, ariel, just your turn in the barrel. But one thing about whoever might be a protege of Clever Gary. That gives them at least one strike, but I really try to be fair. Gary has proved for many years that he is a chickenshit son of a bitch. Can't hold a grudge against somebody just because they know Gary, hell I used to know him too. Small world, ain't it?

edit: I want to hunt with Ariel! He apparently knows his way around the local situation!

[ December 13, 2018, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on December 13, 2018, 02:46 PM:

Oh hell LB, I was actually making light of my title, I wasn't offended.

Ariel, I was polite to Eddie, and the game and fish guy. Nobody threatened anyone.

All I am going to say about some SOB pointing a gun at someone, that could get ugly for the pointer, maybe on a different day, some people don't forgive or forget shit like that. Like you said, hell of a price to pay for harassing a hunter, or for someone trying to hunt some coyotes.

I have a couple ranches now where the rancher gave us a key, and told us to kill'm all. Plus he mentioned a lion problem on his ranch. So bought a lion tag too. I just love calling those little rascals in, get the same feeling when I call in a Tom turkey close enough to hear them drumming.

Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on December 13, 2018, 03:02 PM:

I agree with Leonard’s accessment as far as gates in Nevada. I always have bolt cutters in the truck and have used them a few times as you stated out of desperation (running low on gas).

Good Hunting Chad

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 13, 2018, 03:07 PM:

Yeah, thanks! I knew if anybody here would know what I was talking about it would be Chad.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on December 19, 2018, 05:01 PM:

Man that sounds like fun!!
My boys are 18 and 21 now. I'd love to make it and bring them along! I just had a lower lumbar fusion a couple of weeks ago. Maybe I will be ready for a campout that soon.
Lord willing, and the creek don't rise! No more drugs, nor need for tent visits from Dr.
Vic.

I won't be dragging around any coyotes though...may be just some of those cute AZ greys.

"I hope I can, I hope I can, I hope I can!!"

[Big Grin]

[ December 19, 2018, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Locohead ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 19, 2018, 06:17 PM:

Outstanding !!!!!

We'll even have some 'smokey wood' for the campfire, just in case.

[Cool]

Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on December 19, 2018, 07:12 PM:

I only drink root flavored beer now.🙂

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 20, 2018, 06:49 AM:

In that case, I'll set aside a bottle of Henry Weinhard's Root Beer for you.
This is the good stuff, not to be squandered on children or the weak minded.

[Cool]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 20, 2018, 06:51 AM:

Hey ko ko! is the di rections graven in stone? As in, can't miss, for those without that downloaded app shit? I'm still concerned about finding it without pieplates.

Carry on

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 20, 2018, 01:40 PM:

Yeah, the directions should work.
Go to the turn-off where we used to camp and turn the other way.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 21, 2018, 06:49 AM:

I note that Fred has not asked for directions? He flies all over from Oklahoma to the Dakotas, I was sure expecting he show up. Prob needs to rearrange his sock drawer that weekend?

Oh well, we all do what we can. Myself, and my daughter's concern is that I'm up to this shit. But, if Paul can make it, I can. Iron Leonard can do it.

I should have brought Pinky instead of boarding him at the Bird Farm. He loves gettogethers. Being a tropical, I don't know if he would fair well in that cold, besides, he gets loud when pissed off, like when I try to wrap him in a blanket. Besides, he likes to visit with his bird friends at the Bird Farm. The lady said some of the regulars bring their bird every month when they are out of town. They must live closer than I do? (35 mi)

http://www.magnoliabirdfarms.com/

All I know is I trust them and their rates seem fair, they sure as hell know birds. Where else can you get wings clipped and nails trimmed "for free"? It's a resource that few other places can brag about.

Now, what the hell does this have to do with campout info? Not much. It's funny how you get attached to a pet. Mostly dogs and cats, but I've had an iguana and a female mallard at different times that fit the bill. I just thought of something; both of them used to peck and/or scratch at the slider to come in the aviary for the night. They know a peaceful, quiet & safe place to spend the night when they see it.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on December 21, 2018, 06:53 AM:

I get it Leonard my dogs are special ! Stupid but special !

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 21, 2018, 07:15 AM:

My dog's dumber than your dog.

[Razz]

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on December 21, 2018, 08:51 AM:

Actually my dogs are well trained and pretty bright but I don't want them to get wind of my knowing !

[ December 21, 2018, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: Paul Melching ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 21, 2018, 09:31 AM:

ok, bring both and we will have a showdown, dumbest dog contest. But, Paul's egg head will be tough to beat, remembering how she? pestered that pit bull.

I saw a hilarious video yesterday, dogs doing dumb stuff, although some of it was more brilliant than dumb.

I want a dog. I'm trying to talk "he who shall not be named" out of "Tina". A nice looking Walker that would make a good pet. So far he has not taken the hint.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on December 22, 2018, 03:14 AM:

My ole knothead heeler passed three years ago she was a good girl !

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on December 22, 2018, 03:23 AM:

I have a beautiful Airedale that I got from Andy Laughlin and I have one of her daughters a Labri/dale. she had what they call a dual sire litter I bred her to a pure Airedale sire and they produced 6 beautiful Airedale pups I turned her out too soon the vet said she must have had some eggs remaining and was more than likely raped by the lab they produce 5 beautiful pups. All went to good homes hunters and ranchers. the one remaining was my daughters dog she had no clue what it was to raise a terrier so she is back with me Turing out to be a fine dog fast fearless and not an ounce of quit !

Posted by ATexan (Member # 6799) on December 22, 2018, 01:44 PM:

Raising any kind of terrier is a pain! But I must say they are very loyal and have a energy reserve that never depletes. I have a 13 year old bull terrier that I swear will out live me. I swear I have trained him at least 12 times over... Its like every year or so he forgets everything he knows and I spend the next three months lining him back out.. Lol my wife says the same about me.
I have three dogs and prairie dog to boot. Bull terrier, catahoula, and German Shepard. Its a circus at my house to say the least.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 23, 2018, 08:35 AM:

I'm just sitting here wondering about the "pain" in raising and training a terrier? What is it they do, or won't do that makes them so difficult? I've never owned one and wonder if I would ever be tempted, based on some of the comments. Like Ricky says to Lucy: 'Splain me?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on December 23, 2018, 12:28 PM:

They are very high energy Leo and require a little more attention than most dogs and that's putting it lightly ! My greeting in the morning when I open the kennel usually involves blood they are just happy to see me ! They lick and bite to show affection when you start bleeding the licking speeds up !LOL

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