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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on December 14, 2017, 04:45 PM:
Fred has his .220 Redline project well under way. He did a write up of progress so far that's posted on my blog. Check it out:
Birth of the .220 Redline
- DAA
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 15, 2017, 09:18 AM:
Pretty cool!
Mark
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on December 22, 2017, 05:41 AM:
Humbled that you'd put that up on your blog, Dave! Sure hope this turns out to be what I expect. If not, at least I tried! That's a big part of the fun, anyway...
Posted by Displayed Name (Member # 4669) on December 24, 2017, 06:21 PM:
Tim the tool man Taylor roughly said the project is more fun than the result. I’ve found that to mostly hold true. Great work!
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 24, 2018, 05:57 PM:
The REDLINE is up and runnin!
Began testing today and will be compiling info for 'Part 2' of Daves blog...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 25, 2018, 11:29 AM:
What's the tab on this effort, to date?
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 25, 2018, 01:21 PM:
I'm out for a custom reamer, Brux barrel & smith fees to chamber, thread & Cerakote.
Using dies I already have (Redding Type S 7SAUM) and brass & boolits on hand. I did go ahead & order a new McMillan stock, which is the biggest cost, by a long shot...
P.S. got a 75gr JLK going upward of 3950 fps. Those with 'hotrod' .22 calibers will know that is absolutely well beyond BADAZZzzz performance. With a bit of 'dialing in' a load, should be all I'd hoped...and then some!
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 25, 2018, 04:38 PM:
Fred that crazy good! Congrats.
Mark
Posted by Displayed Name (Member # 4669) on April 02, 2018, 11:01 AM:
3950 with a sleek 75 is cookin! Hold on fur till 450 ish, crazy I love it.
I had guided for a bullet developer around 10 years ago that was working on a .22 hot rod that was supposed to be within 16inches all the way to 600yds with a powder core 60gr bullet. I have no idea how they got along but their bullets in .30 cal were the bomb on wolves. They said it would look like they were hit with a cookie cutter and I swear it did. When I flipped the wolf over after being hit by a 300wsm at 240 ish there was a 3inch perfectly round blood hole going straight down many feet into the snow.
The .22 round was to be an urban tactical cartridge so to get that 16 low at 600 was likely quite high at 300 but still fine for what they wanted it for.
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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 03, 2018, 05:01 AM:
Finally warmed up here, so wanted to see how higher temps affected the RL33 powder I'm testing. Turns out, it is quite sensitive!
Temp was 87, and pressure definitely spiked! Got 4088 fps from a 75 JLK...YIKES! Heavy bolt lift and ejector mark, so that's too much for my liking...
Will ease er back down & hope to settle into a nice safe load in the low-mid 3900s. That'd be just dandy, by my expectations!!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 04, 2018, 06:37 AM:
Must be new? I've never heard of R33?
My load for the 25'06AI is a lot of R22 and I use 100 grain bullets....almost exclusively. I never noticed any temperature sensitive issues with that one? But then, for some reason, I was dinking around with 75 grain TNT's and bought 8 pounds of Reloader #2700. Boy, is that stuff temperature sensitive! I've still got (like) 7 lbs, somebody make me an offer?
For me, temperature sensitive is seldom an issue, mainly because I don't load hot, in the first place. I like to get at least 10 reloads out of my brass, I treat them with respect, always have my left hand, fingers extended, to knock down ejected cases. I've never understood folks that flip brass all hither and yon, then can't find them, step on them, dented necks. Lots of things happen when you allow that stuff, (premium brass) to fly off in the bushes. Not this kid. I can't even estimate how many hours I have invested in processing, weighing and sorting cases. Some people consider it a chore, pure drudgery, but for me, it's therapy, I enjoy working that stuff with my hands.
My kid's a power tool person. He would fire up an edge trimmer to cut a single blade of grass. There is a place for brute power, nail guns, etc., but I like a hand tool. I get satisfaction in turning necks, chamfering those flash holes, and trimming to length. I can do it all day, and have, countless times. Sorta like, if it's worth doing, let's be careful and do it right. Other people like their Dillons. I'm looking at you, Vic. Of course, I'm not shooting a gazillion rounds every weekend. That's different. But, building precision ammunition is like a work of art, you can't be too careful when launching missiles at critters.
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on May 07, 2018, 06:50 AM:
3950 with a 75 gr pill. WOW!!!! that'll oughta put the fear of death in some critters WAY out there.
My guess is we will be reading about a long range deer kill in the not too far off future.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on May 07, 2018, 07:10 AM:
Fred whacked some 'chucks over the weekend with it. He went four for four, with one of those over 500 and another over 700.
Five and seven spins, no sighters, that's quite the debut.
- DAA
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 09, 2018, 02:06 PM:
Here's raw video of #1, 195yd chip shot...
VIDEO LINKY
A 75 is HATEFUL @ nearly 4K!
P.S. you can select HD on the video for better res...
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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 10, 2018, 03:55 AM:
Victim #2, 512yds...
(select 720P HD for playback, btw)
Vid LINKY #2
Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on May 10, 2018, 03:43 PM:
Looks like the new gun is a shooter Fred, well done!
We have a few chucks in Oklahoma, wish we had enough to hunt it looks like it would be some fun shooting.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 11, 2018, 04:44 AM:
Thanks Eddie!
Here's chuck #3, shot gettin' long now... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
did some minor 'slo-mo' editing during the shot
VIDEO LINKY 737yd chuck
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on May 11, 2018, 07:54 AM:
Here is Fred's update write up: The .220 Redline Lives!
- DAA
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 11, 2018, 12:09 PM:
Thanks Dave!
Humbled to be able to share something of interest on your most excellent blog!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 13, 2018, 10:32 AM:
I'm impressed, Fred. I don't impress easy, BTW. You had an idea and ground it out and it looks effective. Any great need, well, you know me? No offense!
How much freebore are we talking about? I assume you're not seating to the lands? Have you stated a specific application for this rig? Probably not for colony critters? Does it heat up after not very many rounds? It's not fluted, is it?
I'm interested.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 14, 2018, 12:49 PM:
Thank you, Leonard!
Surprisingly, the barrel doesn't heat up real fast? My .17P gets to cooking anfter maybe 3 rounds. But, the REDLINE is barely warm to touch after 3.
I set freebore to have my bullet choices fall within a certain OAL window that allowed land engagement. All pressure testing was done with 'jammed' bullets.
Dunno how fast the throat will wear, but I've taken good measurements with several bullets, so as to reference after xxx #rounds.
Think I'll just roll with the JLKs for a while! I backed them .015" off a hard jam, and they seem to shoot well enough. Just gonna keep an eye on how well the brass holds up...
Honestly, I sure did NOT expect to be running a 75gr bullet at nearly 4K! That's 100fps more than I was hoping for, so consider me VERY happy!
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 03, 2019, 06:59 AM:
Update:
Couple slick head whitetails succumbed to the Redline, via 70gr Barnes TSX to the vitals. Got #1 on video, as content for Daves blog, but it ain't much to look at...just zipped thru ribs and hopped a couple yards, before piling up...
Considering how that TSX sizzled thru deer at 3900fps, not gonna even try em on a coyote, for fear of underwhelming performance. Might be spectacular if impacting bone, but horrid if poking a hole thru something soft? Nobody likes runners/spinners!
So, have some 69gr Sierra TMKs to try, and a few warp speed 75 JLKs leftover from chuck schwackin. Hopefully, either of those should be able to expand enough to stove up a coyote when pushed +/- 4,000fps!
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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 03, 2019, 03:49 PM:
Good stuff Fred! I shared your enthusiasm when you nailed the 737 chuck!
Are you going to stay with the 70 TSX for deer?
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 04, 2019, 05:14 AM:
Thanks Lonny!
Just couldn't contain myself after seeing that chuck flip off its mound out yonder!
Yep, so far, so good far as the TSX goes, here's exit hole from blackstrap sample #1:
And the current lineup, all seated just off jam:
70 TSX, 69 TMK, 75 JLK
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 04, 2019, 08:33 AM:
Yep, that is definitely a hole.
Mark
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 04, 2019, 08:35 AM:
Looks good Fred.
Reason I ask is my two nephews got Ruger 1-8 twisted 22-250's for Christmas.
If time allows, I plan on reloading deer bullets for them for next fall and have been leaning towards the 62 grain TTSX and 70 TSX.
I have a bunch of 60 grain Nosler Partitions on hand that I have used on deer and might give them a whirl in their rifles, but I know some rifles don't like the 60 NPT.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 04, 2019, 12:17 PM:
Yeah, and some people don't care for partition bullets. they have never claimed accuracy on a level with monolithic solids or lead core, gliding jacketed bullets. Personally, I think the divider and where it's located along the body is a very dicy place if everything isn't balanced perfectly. Just a personal opinion. The whole theory is based on the retention of sufficient mass after the forward part frags. I don't know, it just seems to add a more complicated element, and I can't argue that it's not done with precision, I just see lots of non partition bullets perform satisfactorily, like the Swift A frame comes to mind, for dangerous game.
Just put me down as never a fan. Really, no offense intended, just stating a long held opinion.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 04, 2019, 06:12 PM:
I know from talking with others the 60 grain np can be a bit finicky and some rifles will shoot them and some won't even if the twist is a faster.
I'll have to see how they shoot in my nephews rifles before I try something else though.
I've been lucky in that the two 22-250's I've tried them in both shoot the 60 np's pretty well. Darn sure good enough for deer and that is what I have used them on. Effective little pills that penetrate well, bust bone, etc..
There seems to be quite a few good deer bullets available in .22 cal anymore so there are options.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 05, 2019, 07:47 AM:
Yeah, and you know something else? First you buy them the gun and then you do the handloading for them. I'm talking about myself, here. If these folks just aren't motivated, I should have let them buy factory, a long time ago. Or somebody else wants the instant gratification of pulling the handle on a Dillon. I always liked the tactile part, working with my hands, trimming, deburring, etc. And some don't.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 08, 2019, 06:33 AM:
Lonny, you'll never know unless ya try! And the testing part can be kinda fun, in & of itself. The 62 TSX comes in a (T)ipped version now, too...might fly a bit flatter from the .22-250?
I went with the 70, cuz they worked great from .22-243Win speed, and didn't wanna risk "splashing" a VLD type boolit on deer bone. So far, so good! Can say that, the massive impact velocity (3900) didn't ruin much meat due to bullet shrapnel, but the rib area around the entrance was obviously 'bruised', for lack of a better word?
Just never got into Nosler bullets too much. Reckon that's from the realization that they were using some rather 'optimistic' b.c. values, for stretch there, before independent testing showed otherwise. Call me silly, but I took that exaggeration as a bit of marketing fuckery. So, I just don't patronize em...
Conversely, Sierra actually has a reputation for understating their published b.c. values , and they test at or above published b.c numbers. Beyond that, Sierra even provides stepped values, based on given velocity ranges.
And, Sierra 'match' boolits have quite the thick jacket, compared to some of the more 'sexy' sleek offerings available. So, ya might get away with some 'extra' useable barrel life, if/when your barrel starts nuking more thinly skinned pills...
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 08, 2019, 08:13 AM:
Yeah, Fred. I've always been a little stink eyed at Nosler, but admit, I have nothing bad to say about their Ballistic Tips, particularly the ones I use, the 55 grain .224, and the 100 gr. .257. But, other than that. However, I'm tempted to consider their new cartridges, like 22 Nosler, 25 Nosler, etc. Just seems like a slick design. I have some Nosler 300WM brass that is every bit as good as Lapua, in my opinion.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 08, 2019, 08:45 AM:
Id kinda like to step up to a big .22 myself. Since Fred posted this thing, Ive been hankerin for something different.
Mark
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 08, 2019, 09:20 AM:
That's the hook, Mark. Just sit down and relax until the urge evaporates. You do NOT need a Red Line to kill coyotes! It's very the same as fishing tackle, those tiger striped spoons catch fishermen, not fish.
But, if you really must, I highly recommend a 22-250 Ackley. It's a marvelous cartridge, not withstanding it doesn't have the magic word, "Creedmoor" in it. Come to think of it, "Ackley" USED to be a very potent "Buzzword". Am I that old?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 08, 2019, 09:33 AM:
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 08, 2019, 12:31 PM:
I second that motion Leonard.... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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