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Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 08, 2019, 12:23 PM:
When you have multiples on stand, how do you decide which one you shoot first?
Its been my experience to always shoot the farthest back coyote first. They are normally the least aggressive coyote of the bunch and the least likely to remain once the shooting starts. Not only that but the others are closer so when they do start leaving shots are closer.
I do use a dog on stand and find that dog makes a difference at this time of the year if you allow them to engage and get worked up. It seems that at times they don't even recognize the shot depending on what's happening at the time.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 08, 2019, 01:18 PM:
Well, Brent, in my opinion, there's no wrong answer to the question.
I always shoot the closest animal, whether the others are within sight of the setup or not. I feel that if I shoot one further out, the close in one that I presumed to be a duck shot now has a rocket up his ass, and if there is any cover available, he will find it before I can jack another round.
No, not always, sometimes they might stand around and wait to get shot, but I will stick with the plan that has worked for a long time.
I realize a lot of men feel the way you do, Brent and as long as you make it work, I'm not going to fault it, But, for me, I'll take the chip shot every time.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: I just thought of something that's not exactly applicable but what the hell, it gives me another chance to tell a brief version of the story where I killed 6 on one stand. It started with a complete choke, I missed the first animal!. But the rest of them kept filing out of the bushes until they were all out in a mud flat with not a twig in sight, except for an old tire. I even had the chance to reload my blind magazine and I'm pretty sure the sixth coyote was the first miss who was slinking away and in and out of visibility. Also, the longest shot by far. LB
[ April 08, 2019, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 08, 2019, 03:35 PM:
I definitely see the reason behind shooting the back Coyote first. That being said as you mentioned the first one is usually the most aggressive. So if you are going after the stock killer it is probably that first Coyote. So if it’s to save live stock losses it would probably pay to kill that aggressive coyote first and take your chances on the less aggressive one further out second.
If your recreational calling, I’m with Leonard a bird in hand beats 2 in the bush. Take the best shot, sometimes it’s the furthest one first due to the country you’re hunting, sometimes it’s the closest. Every stand is different... just my 2 cents
Disclaimer: I’m speaking as one the doesn’t use dogs, so that could change the game completely. I’m talking about targeting coyotes without the use of decoy dogs....
Good Hunting Chad
[ April 08, 2019, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 08, 2019, 05:27 PM:
Well then it's all a crapshoot...so for me it's easy ones first, I've learned my lesson to many times trying to get tricky and shoot them from back to front Sergeant York style. Hopefully they are all close enough that I can clean up with some easy running shots or get them stopped.
Mark
[ April 08, 2019, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 10, 2019, 05:00 AM:
BACK TO TOP!
Dammit, I KNOW we haven't heard enough about this one yet! Vic? WTF? Anybody?
The BG's Stayin' Alive. stayin' alive!
Pretty soon we won't have a damned thing to talk about! Them what, Bucko?
Good hunting.. El Bee
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 10, 2019, 06:39 AM:
I look for the best available shot, might be the one further out in a pair, or the closest one. It's usually a faster calculation with multiples, versus watching the focused approach of a single, but which ever coyote presents me the best shot is the one I will shoot at first.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 10, 2019, 08:07 AM:
Very good. I suppose I could have said that since it's what I do when the situation presents. Be flexible, is the answer, but as I have always maintained, using straight pool.or any pool, (8 ball, 9 ball, 5 ball, doesn't matter), as an example. Take the easy most makable shot and try for position on the next shot. You want that ball to stop where you want it, not to just roll arbitrarily and wind up with a difficult angle or a lot of green. The comparison might be imperfect, but frequently, you can see what will be the best. But mostly, at least for me, you take the easy shot, then deal with what's left. It's like; a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
No doubt, multiples will separate the men from the boys and no matter how you do it, the important thing is that you kill something, and don't try to be too cute about it.
Now, if you use a wild west example, a challenge out in the street. One guy might slap leather and fan the hammer, while the other uses both hands, aims and wins. No style points awarded.
Thank you, Victor. Quit making me pry these tidbits out of you like pulling teeth! Now, anybody else?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 10, 2019, 10:18 AM:
Now remember I always have a dog on stand and that changes the dynamics of the coyotes reaction. If the coyotes have come close enough that the front coyote is engaged, they normally do not recognize the sound of the shot being suppressed. Normally they stop look around like what was that and reengage the dog. Then if I connected on the first shot, the second normally falls afterwards. A lot of times when coyote death cry from the FoxPro is played if they see the dog shaking the dead one they come back and pissed off. It makes for good dog work.
Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on April 10, 2019, 10:38 AM:
As a rule I try for the closest frist, but like most of you if it's not a good shot I will take the best shot no matter which one it is.
I grew up shooting a single shot and still do today, so getting more than two every thing has to fall just right. Two weeks ago I called in a pair got the big male but the female got behind some cows couldn't shoot so I turn back to the call and there stood another big male so I got him both shots were around 75 yards. Calling in the thick timber like I do you don't get to see them coming from a half a mile way, so you got to take what they give you. I've hunted with guys that use a AR, hell my oldest son hunts with one. I seen him get five in one stand one time. After it was all over I asked him how did they come in and he said they were single file and he started at the back and worked his way to the front. You just never no how their going to come in, for me that's what makes it exciting.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 10, 2019, 11:33 AM:
Shoot the one that's ready to die.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 10, 2019, 11:43 AM:
Vic, I only pick on ya 'cause I love ya! So don't forget it.
Share like you are at Confession and seeking absolution....
It's that important!
well, you know what I mean!
Good hunting. El Bee
PS Brent, your explanation does change the situation.
PPS Eddie, a son uses an AR? Buy 'em books, send 'em to school....
edit: ko ko I suppose that's the one with the sign that says: SHOOT ME FIRST?
[ April 10, 2019, 11:45 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on April 10, 2019, 12:08 PM:
I usually shoot the easiest but once in awhile will shoot an ‘almost’ as easy if the easiest is close. Often the easiest isn’t the closest-usually when one out further stops giving you a gimme.
I shoot bolts 90 % of the time so most of my multiples come with bolts and my only quad ever was with a bolt 243.
Multiples are obviously exciting and the key to success for me is mentally coming up with a plan,making SURE I kill with the first shot, and trying to stay somewhat calm thereafter. The calm part is easier cause i early on had a bolt that didn’t feed well if you hurried the stroke. Pain is a good teacher.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 10, 2019, 03:37 PM:
To my experience, multiples start falling together long before the shot. First sight of the coyote, I get my machine gun (mg) aligned with the first one and just stay calm. As to which one dies first, it's usually either the easiest shot or the one that's most likely to blow my cover by being too close or getting into my downwind stink. Patience is a huge factor here. As has been stated elsewhere, you can't get a double until you kill the first one first.
Two scenarios, eerily similar. Three years ago, opened with a howl. A group lit up to my right about 300 yards out. They come in right to left along a long pile up of trees from clear cutting a new field. Get right in front of me - an adult and two yearlings. Pup number one is out front and gets to my 11 o'clock at about 40 yards. I shoot left handed so anything left of 12 gets dicey. I shoot that one and it goes down. Two and three check up at about 50 with the other pup standing just left of the adult. I swing, drop it with the next shot. Swing slightly right to pick up the adult and he's charging me. Don't know if he was pissed or couldn't tell where the sounds were coming from. At 25 yards, straight on, third shot drops him. Look up and number one resurrected itself from the dead and is up on two legs. Shot number four drops him. Four shots, less than five seconds.
This past season, corn stubble field blown clean by a blizzard the week before. Start with some distress and quicker than I figured it would, a coyote pops out of a thicket at about 125 heading straight for the deek on the caller. I line up the scope and realize another one has fallen in behind it. I shoot the first one and it goes down. Number 2 stops - just a matter of tilting the mg and shot number two drops it. Realized I'd stopped breathing when number three comes out of the trees just left of the other two. Shot number three drops it. Hear all kinds of breaking brush to my immediate left and look over the scope to see what it is and realize number two is trying to sneak away. Shot number four closes that deal and a fourth coyote then appears at about 250 running like hell away. Held my fire because I didn't want to drag it back and it was a low percentage shot anyway.
Third scenario, using my 22-250 bolt gun. All the way out that morning, Kevin had to keep bagging on the fact that he had two coyotes and I had none (start of season). Every break in the conversation walking in, he's asking me how many I have. I say none, and he asked me if I'd heard he had two. Bastard. And no, we're not competitive. LOL
Anyway, I open with a couple high pitched howls and a coyote runs up about 30 yards behind us (we're side by side) and starts barking at me. Big head, pup. I'm sitting on the right and Kevin's to my left. Coyote opts to circle out in front of us and goes out of sight behind a small roll in the meadow. I'm guessing where it will appear next so I line up aiming across Kevin's sector. He doesn't seem to be anticipating the opportunity and I ain't about to suggest he do so. Coyote appears at 40-ish running right to left. I fire, coyote folds. Immediately, Kevin's arm comes up and he points in front of me as he says, "there's another!" Quicker than I thought I could, I grab my forearm at the yoke on my sticks, left, turn, find the coyote and drop it with the second shot. Five, maybe six seconds total. After the shot, I just sat there for a few seconds before saying, "Hmmph, how many coyotes did you say you have?" to which he muttered, "fucker!"
The best multiples are double-doubles. At the place where the first triple story was. Just sat down. Put Kevin in what I thought was the best place to be. Turned on the caller and immediately see something in the milo stubble near the caller. Raise my rifle and it's a bobcat. Squared up on the eye and shot. Five seconds later, a coyote pops up on the brushpile in the background and I dropped it too. We'd been on stand maybe 30 seconds. I look at Kevin and he's just staring at me. Said, "Well, that's all I feel like killing outta here. Let's go back to the truck." LOL
Multiples or singles, I'm sure that most everyone here can agree that most coyotes will give you ample shot opportunities as long as you aren't flailing around where you're sitting. Move deliberately and slowly and let the damned coyote choose when to die. Most newbs screw up when they panic and try to get on them in a hurry. Coyotes see them and bust out.
"Some" may try to call bullshit. Oh well, with one exception, anyone here is sure welcome to come join us any time we're out. I've got witnesses for pretty much every one of those stands. I'm pretty particular about who sees how we call and set up and I trust this bunch to know the "code of conduct" when hunting as a guest. What you see hunting with me, stays a secret.
The first triple
The double-double. Two critters, two species
[ April 10, 2019, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 10, 2019, 04:28 PM:
What's your number?
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 10, 2019, 05:25 PM:
LB will bring his penpal. That will be a hoot.
Mark
Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on April 10, 2019, 06:17 PM:
Now that would be something to see!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 10, 2019, 08:59 PM:
OMG!
Funny!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 11, 2019, 06:35 AM:
Lance, your nondisclosure agreement can't be any more ironclad bulletproof than Scott Huber's, but no mention of price? I'm negotiating with "He Who Shall Not Be Named". You have him hooked, for sure! I never seen him so excited!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 11, 2019, 05:33 PM:
Uhhh,.... not worth any amount
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2019, 06:33 AM:
Yeah, but a generous tip would be indicated....like buying lunch at the best greasy spoon in town. Boy Howdy!
Good hunting. El Bee
PS how did this topic get closed and who did it? Where's Lone Howl?
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 12, 2019, 09:27 PM:
I told my cousin years ago to shoot the first coyote he knows he can kill. Don't wait till they all get lined up, don't wink at me and start the 1, 2, 3 count, just keep still and shoot em one at a time as they come.
We've all had coyotes bolt at the slightest movement or noise but we've all also seen coyotes just stand there like what's wrong with Jim Bob after Jim Bob eats a bullet. You never know how they will react.
Somewhere around here I have a video by some guy on coyote behaviour and how to read body language to see which one to shoot first and when to shoot. All I can say is the coyotes around here never watched the video...
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 13, 2019, 04:07 AM:
That's funny Tom !
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 13, 2019, 05:36 AM:
Yeah, funny but have you noticed that coyotes, the more you know them, that they deserve some nitch in the food chain between human and animals? Just because they can stand around and act stupid doesn't mean we can't also consider Liberal Humans in the same boat. Personally, I have watched a coyote do some very clever things. Let me admit something; I admire and respect coyotes. Can't explain it?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on April 13, 2019, 06:12 AM:
Yup lotta respect. Survivors.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 13, 2019, 06:40 AM:
I respect everything I hunt but coyotes are so adaptable they get a special spot !
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 13, 2019, 07:51 PM:
Coyote are pretty smart, I hunted a ranch years ago pretty hard. It got leased out and one of the guys started hunting coyotes and swore he saw one crawl to the top of a ridge, peaking over to see if it was a real rabbit or me calling.
True story ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2019, 12:09 AM:
I watched a jackrabbit climb up a prickly pear cactus, hand over hand, so to speak, but climbed it like some rock climber. And when he got as high as he could get, he started looking around in the direction of the caller playing “lightning jack” or similar. It was the oddest behavior I have ever seen by a jack, almost had human quality to it. Made my day, actually.
Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 14, 2019, 04:23 AM:
I call rabbits all the time about three to one jacks over cottons ! Some of our antelope jack are about the size of a small coyote faked me out more than once !
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on April 26, 2019, 05:44 AM:
I think it is more important what a guy does AFTER the first shot then which coyote he shoots first. But like many I take the first coyote that stops and gives me a easy shot, and from there over the years I've learned that if I want to kill'em all after the first shot I need to have patience. I've killed 5 quads, and a six pack in recent years and on everyone of those stands I never took a running shot. I've learned that instead of taking shots at fleeing coyotes it's better to hit em with a good fight sound on the Lucky Duck call. More times then not, fleeing coyotes will either turn around and come running back in, or they will stop to look. It's like they know they have partners in crime on scene and if one of their partners is involved in a fight, the others want in on it.
In other words, for me at least, it's better to skip low percentage running shots and wait for standing shots, even if they are a little further out. Coyotes like to fight apparently because I've seen fight sounds work very effectively in helping me kill multiples.
Here's a quad that I killed late last season. You can see how wide open the terrain is, so open that I actually get in and situated in the dark.
But even in this wide open terrain the longest shot to kill this quad was about 110 yards and once again, I never shot at a moving coyote.
KIMG0584 by Tim Richard, on Flickr
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 26, 2019, 01:12 PM:
Come On TR! Your a You Tube star!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq0KUL4UI-g
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 26, 2019, 02:46 PM:
I might be crazy but I’d take a good day of singles than a bunch of multiples any day. I remember a few years back when we were calling for a couple days and in the first area we called we called multiples on every stand that produced (probably 5-6 stands)anywhere from 2-4 Coyotes on each stand. I think we killed 6 Coyotes that day. Probably called 15 total. Next day we went to another area. Called probably 12-13 stands and killed 10 singles. The singles just seemed alittle more predictable.lol
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on April 27, 2019, 08:43 AM:
Mark you need to find something else to do with your time then digging around on youtube, lots of worthless stuff there ya know.
No doubt about it Chad, if a guy wants to kill every coyote called, it's much easier to do it if they all come as singles.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 27, 2019, 08:58 AM:
I didn't know we had a You Tube star member? We can learn so much from them.
Good hunting. El Bee
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