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Yes...Im particular...it has to come up and be ready to go in a couple seconds, no fiddling around,no eye holes...just open, 3/4 mask with elastic around top that holds mask up just above the ears, and can't hinder eye sight in any way. Cut hole in front for mouth calling. Cut out all unnecessary straps that I don't use anyway. Gotta be light weight mesh so I can hear well.

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I'm right there with ya on this one Mark. I've used the same set up for as long as I can remember. Only time I use anything other is when it's nasty cold out and I'm trying to keep my nose intact. Then I wear a neck gator that can be pulled up over my nose and mouth.
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 26, 2017, 12:23 PM:
 
I don't know if it's just getting older and not giving a shit anymore about all the extras or if I'm just getting lazy about it but anymore I just wear what I happen to have on and carry my gun and shooting sticks and calls and I really do think I kill as many coyotes now than I ever have. Reduce and Simplify.lol
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on June 26, 2017, 01:04 PM:
 
Im the same way really, blue jeans, usually long sleeve shirt (bland color of some kind) rifle,call and shooting sticks. If its freezing Im in some insulated coveralls of some kind, or otherwise dressed appropriately.

Thats it...but I gotta have my face and hands covered...its like a sin if I dont have that.

Mark
 

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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on June 26, 2017, 03:19 PM:
 
When it's colder weather and I'm wearing gloves I will just lift my hand to cover my face when I get one close but other than that I don't worry about it much
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on June 27, 2017, 03:38 AM:
 
early season/ warm weather, I use the one Mark described:


When its real cold, I use a Cabelas Camoskinz 3/4 mask to keep my face from freezing off.


Both masks have horizontal slits cut in the mouth area for runnin' a diaphragm or open reed call. I can't argue whether a mask is needed, but they do help with bugs in the spring/fall and the insulated one is great when the temps crowd the single digits & below...
 

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Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on June 27, 2017, 03:24 PM:
 
I use about the same set up as Fred.
For cold weather I use a full face mask with a hole cut for my mouth so I can spit. I chew tobacco, got to be able to spit.
I like tan or dark colors for camo. Never was one for fancy camo suits just tan bibs, dark coat and gloves. I like the old WWll style helmet liner hat or Radar hat.
I have hunted with a few guys that like to wear a big black cowboy hats, to each his own.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 28, 2017, 06:33 AM:
 
Don't know why I didn't think of it? For some reason, it didn't register but I use a camo bandana. It just lies there on my chest, then I pull it up over my nose. It's easy to blow a call under it.

Works for me.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Asmith (Member # 4636) on June 28, 2017, 01:26 PM:
 
I to always have face mask of mesh and some sort of gloves but that's how I started out and just got comfortable with now I feel like I am missing something if I don't have them on. I get used to something and trust it just like a gun or shooting sticks anything new has to prove its self and any failure in something I try new my fault or not its usually out of truck.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 30, 2017, 05:48 PM:
 
3/4 mask with elastic around the top on every stand. I start growing my beard around mid-August and keep it until the last day of February, specifically for calling camo. The mask is around my neck. I just pull it up so the backside is up on my ballcap and the front is generally just below my mouth with the sides covering my ears. The mustache tends to break up the rest. Ballcap is critical as many of our coyotes pop up and recon before advancing. I tend to keep my face angled slightly down so I'm looking out from just beneath the bill. Easy to just lower my head a bit if I'm caught off guard. Have had coyotes and deer within five feet of me where all I was seeing was their legs and feet patiently waiting for them to bolt and put some distance between us. As to camo, my go-to nowadays is called ATAC-AU which was originally developed for special forces in Afghanistan as an alternative to multi-cam. I'm a regular customer of ACU/BTU type clothes but not because of some presumed "cool factor". They have lots of well located pockets and are double layered in all the important places. Very durable.
 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on August 15, 2017, 07:38 PM:
 
My stepson on stand wearing a face mask

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Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on November 24, 2017, 04:58 PM:
 
The value of any face camo should depend on two things. If you are hunting in heavier cover and your contact is close, then it is probably advantageous to use face camo. In that situation, you should be carrying a shotgun. In open country, when carrying a shotgun and you want close contact, again, face camo would be advantageous.

In open country when only carrying a rifle and not on snow cover, I don't want anything on my face because that is the part the coyote sees first and will USUALLY get them to stop at the correct distance. This goes hand in hand with no more calling than necessary.

The opposite situation is continual calling and full camo and missed shots on running coyotes that don't stop because they don't see anything to make them stop.

Camo has value when contact is close while using a shotgun. Camo is highly over rated with a rifle in open country.

The worst thing to wear is a coyote fur hat on your head when you are howling. That should be self-explanatory.

~SH~
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 25, 2017, 10:46 AM:
 
All good points, Scott.

I agree, the facemark has limited value. I might go all morning and not pull my bandana up over my nose, but then again, it's there if I think it would benefit.

But, in the first place, it's a bad deal if the coyote is focused on you and not the source of the sound, which in my case is a Foxpro around 50 feet from me. Unless movement gives me away, there is really no reason for a coyote to notice me. Therefore the facemask has limited usefulness when I am trying to blend in in front of a bush. But, if you confidence improves by using the facemask, by all means, make use of it.

On the other hand, I have had it get in the way when mounting a scoped rifle. Not my bandana, but using a manufactured facemask, they can slip, usually upwards and now you need to use a hand to get it the hell out of the way. Yeah, I'm no big fan, I see very limited usefulness.

But in reference to your last comment, and why in hell would somebody be wearing a fur cap; but they do and Darwin scores again. I'm also thinking of that asshole that killed a woman walking her dog with a handgun. You think hunting accidents are a remote possibility, the way we hunt and at our level of competence.

We started talking about genealogy last night, as my son in law has an extensive site with relatives on both sides going back to Scandinavia and eastern Europe. Anyway, Corey's mother had both grandfathers die in hunting accidents. I said, what are the odds of that and he said that she just kind of shrugged and thought it was rather common.

I had never heard of the term, "Sound Shots" until one year we were hunting mule deer in Colorado and we ran into a hunter and we mentioned hearing gunfire from the direction he was coming from. "oh, that was me, a couple 'sound' shots"! Well, we didn't ask him but did inquire as to what the hell is meant by SOUND SHOTS. This is when you hear something or just want to shoot into some heavy cover in hopes of flushing a deer out of there. Apparently, there are (so called) hunters that actually do this. Believe it or not.

No wonder there are a few fatalities every deer season. I do know one predator hunter that shot himself in the foot. Several things wrong, chambered, safety off, slipped or tripped and finger on the damned trigger!

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on November 25, 2017, 07:52 PM:
 
Something in your post, made me wonder, doesn't everyone, after getting settled, chamber a round, and leave the safety "off"?
I thought the safety on thing, then flicking it off right before the shot, was reserved only for the TV hunting shows for anticipatory visual effect?
My routine is always the same, empty chamber when exiting the truck, get call set up, settle my ass on my stool, chamber a round, with safety off, start call then expect a coyote. When stand is finished, drop magazine, extract cartridge, close bolt, feed cartridge back in magazine and reseat magazine, then head to truck to do it all over again.
 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on November 25, 2017, 08:24 PM:
 
I started wearing a pullover facemask when I started hunting eastern Oregon daytime. I had the Foxpro out about 30 yards from me and a coyote came in. He stopped short of the caller then turned and looked straight at me. I got him before he could pour it on.

Other than losing them all of the time I find a facemask to be no burden what so ever. Oh, and when calling I don't always wear camo or a facemask but the leafy camo and facemask has allowed coyotes to come in so close I can blow them away with the shotgun. A few years back I killed a coyote that almost ran me over. I shot him with my 22-250 at about 10 ft.

I originally bought the leafy camo and facemask for hunting ducks in partially flooded fields. that are surrounded by blackberry brush. It was just to hard and painful to squat in the blackberries so when I got the camo I could sit in the open close to my decoys. Ducks would land not 15 ft from me.

We all do things a bit different from one another, that's for sure. I've been very successful doing things that I've learned first hand over the years. If we sat down and talked we'd find a lot to agree on and some things to disagree on.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 25, 2017, 09:36 PM:
 
Vic, if that's directed at me, the event wasn't like that at all. The man was walking along a side slope and tripped on a root, and shot himself in the foot and was helicoptered to Blythe for treatment. Had nothing to do with his behavior on a stand. In fact, I never hunted with him so I wouldn't know what he does, but maybe I don't want to know?

Moe, really, I don't mean to disparage the use of a facemask they just aren't for me. I don't care for leafy camo either. Or a ghilli suit. I would worry about all those strings and ropes getting snagged in my bolt. Even a piece of fabric can really jamb up a bolt action.

Good hunting. El Bee

PS, I don't normally unchamber a round as I break off a stand. It's good the way it is, (locked) until I get back to the vehicle. When I get there, I open the bolt and pull it back. I've had people hunt with me that just lay an AR down facing front with the safely on. I'm not at all comfortable with this.
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on November 25, 2017, 09:47 PM:
 
No, not directed at you at all Leonard, just got me to thinking about the safety on/off method, and if I was the fucked up one in some guys eyes for not having safety on until ready to shoot?
 

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.... thinking about the safety on/off method, and if I was the fucked up one in some guys eyes for not having safety on until ready to shoot?

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No, but your video star career is toast now.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on November 26, 2017, 09:09 AM:
 
I chamber a round before I leave truck. I leave safety on untill ready to shoot. Safety back on after the shot(s). Unload rifle/shotgun when back at truck.
I distrust everyone around me in the "safety on/off" department. Im always eyeballing everyone on stand, I see to many guys leaving safety off all the time, laying rifle down, or propping it up against a tree/bush etc in their excitement. I always get vocal about it, and maybe thats why I dont have calling partners? Guess Im an ass. Engaging the safety is no guarantee of course, but I want it engaged when appropriate..., period.
Mark
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[ November 27, 2017, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 26, 2017, 09:12 AM:
 
What, like: FRIED CHICKEN!
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on November 26, 2017, 09:18 AM:
 
Yes,,,silly shit like that.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 26, 2017, 09:31 AM:
 
Okay, Vic. I reread everything. I'm just about the same way. When I get settled, on stand, I almost always take the safety OFF. I'm NOT the type to flip it off a millisecond before pulling the trigger. My trigger is operative the entire time that I'm on stand.

I depend on a safety; weakly. There is no substitute for keeping your finger off the trigger and never pointing the gun at anybody, empty or not.

It's always good to be a creature of habit. Discipline. However you go about it, do it the same all the time. Like I said before; I personally like to open the bolt when storing the rifle inside, between stands. I suppose that's not as 100% foolproof as actually unloading a rifle but I'm pretty confident doing it that way.

I think rimfires are a little more tricky than centerfires, when it comes to rendering them "safe".

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 26, 2017, 09:42 AM:
 
My MO, chamber a round when I take rifle out of truck. Safety on. Safety stays on until I have a coyote in the scope. Stand over, empty the chamber, pick a target and dry fire. Walk back with empty chamber. Back at truck, point muzzle up and pull trigger before putting rifle in truck.

I don't like detachable magazines for the above. Biggest reason I got rid of my 788. Just bothered by the fact I had to remove the magazine and deal with it to empty the chamber and dry fire. Especially in the cold and especially with gloves on and especially in the snow. Dropped that gawd damn detachable mag in the snow only a couple times, but what a PITA looking for the hole in the snow and then digging for it. Not a huge deal, really, but dealing with it just irritated me over and over and over again at the end of every stand.

With a box magazine, I pull the bolt back, push that round back into the box mag, close the bolt on an empty chamber without even looking, even with gloves on. Much better.

- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 26, 2017, 12:12 PM:
 
Yes, negative attitude about detachable magazines....on a hunting rifle.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on November 26, 2017, 01:14 PM:
 
Same here, ran a couple for a few years..cant stand it.
Mark
 

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Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on November 27, 2017, 09:03 AM:
 
My safety routine is this with no exceptions. When I pull the rifle out of the pickup, I automatically check to make sure there is no round in the chamber. I walk to the stand with an empty chamber. When on the stand, I chamber a round. Safety is "ON" until I am ready to shoot then I flip it "OFF". If I see a coyote while walking to the stand, it doesn't take me long to chamber a round.

When I am carrying my Benelli automatic shotgun, I have a shell sticking out of the side of the chamber so everyone, including myself, can see that the gun is unloaded. Then when I am on stand, I slip that shell into the chamber and close it. Shotgun safety stays "ON" until I am ready to shoot.

This is the same way shotguns are handled during aerial operations. Want to end a career as a gunner, just start pulling that shotgun back into the plane with a live round in the chamber. No pilot I know will tolerate it nor should they.

When I am pheasant hunting and traveling in a vehicle with other hunters and our shotguns, I have the shell sticking out of the chamber until I am ready to start walking/hunting. Then I chamber that round and leave safety "ON" until I am ready to fire.

I understand why some guys do not like to hunt with their safeties on because they fumble with the safety when a pheasant gets up. I'm sorry, but I won't hunt with anyone who cannot learn to operate their safety at the right time. Sitting on a calling stand is a bit more safe than walking with the safety "OFF" but safety "OFF" on the stand still scares the hell out of me. Things happen unexpectedly. With that said, I do understand why some like to leave safety "OFF" on a stand but I can't be around it.

I am fortunate that I started shooting with a Crossman 760 BB and pellet gun as a child and finding the safety is automatic for me. When a bird gets up, I automatically hit the safety. If it's a hen, I automatically put it back on. Just the way I learned. Flipping the safety on and off is as much a reflex for me as raising the gun to shoot.

I had an uncle that was religious about hunting safety and he would chew anyone's ass in front of the entire group for any unsafe action. Some got real butt hurt over it. I am very thankful that I had an uncle like that because I never forgot my ass chewing for shooting towards the cappers on a low bird once. Our pheasant hunting group hunted every year with a perfect track record for safety. We always had highly organized and successful hunts because of my uncle.

Everyone that hunts pheasants with me now with an automatic shotgun has a round sticking out the side when they are in the truck so everyone can see that everyone with an auto is safe. Pump shotguns have their actions open. No exceptions and no regards for hurting someone's feelings over safety concerns.

In a perfect world, everyone would identify their targets but you can see many coyotes shot on the top of hills on you tube videos to know how far safety goes with a lot of guys. Not saying I haven't shot a coyote either on top of a hill because I have but it's never a safe thing to do.

The fact that another hunter should have clearly identified their target before pulling the trigger is no consolation to the man with a fur hat with a bullet hole through it.

Why invite trouble? That's like using an antelope or elk decoy during rifle season.

A friend of mine lost their hunting partner who was shot while hiding in an oversized goose decoy. He was shot in the head with a rifle and died. Local was trying to scare the geese off his fields from a considerable distance away. Terrible tragedy.

He could just as easily have been shooting at a coyote fur cap when only the fur cap was visible. Just not a good idea.

~SH~

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 27, 2017, 09:31 AM:
 
I'm not really considering pheasant hunting, but you have a point well taken.On the other hand, I'm also safe enough that I might resent some person telling me what is the proper procedure since he is apparently, in charge? I might tell him, ok, you guys go ahead and hunt that side of the road, I'll meet you back at the truck. I never heard of shotgun shells sticking out of the action? It might be the safest thing since sliced bread but it will be awkward to some other people.

I can't and won't fault people that click off the safety at the last moment before the shot. For me, (and I'm only talking about a coyote stand with one other person, that you can see and know where he is) anyway, for me, I don't have a problem sitting there with the safety off and I feel the same way, Scott. If you don't like it, go do something else with someone else. Not saying this is you but....I hate control freaks!

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on November 27, 2017, 11:26 AM:
 
I was speaking in particular to coyote hunting, which I usually do solo 90% of the time. Those times I have a hunting partner, I "know" that person, and thoroughly trust their rifle handling skills and safety. We both know where we are going to sit, and verify as we sit our ass down. Anyone who has hunted with me knows, I always sit to their right, I'm left handed, and always have my rifle held across my legs, muzzle pointing to front right, therefore I know, they are sitting with their rifle across their legs, facing front left, or on sticks. I never use sticks, so I know where my rifle is pointed.
Those who deploy a safety at all times, is fine by me, how could anyone intelligently fault that habit, good on them if that is how they roll.
I have flicked a safety on and off literally a million times on a 1911, shotgun and rifle during my 35 years of firearms competitions, I know where they are and which way they operate by memory, could do it my sleep.
I just don't leave the safety on, when on a coyote stand, no need, I know where my trigger finger is, always alongside the stock, just above the trigger. When the stand is finished, as I mentioned before, I drop magazine, extract cartridge, hold trigger as I close bolt, then stuff the magazine back in my rifle, that's my habit.
When shotgun hunting, I use an O/U, so action is always open when walking to hunt, I always get on right side of hunting partner, safety is always on till incoming bird, then off at the shot, reload and safety on.
If hunting with someone I'm not to familiar with, I'm less concerned with condition of their mechanical safety, but I watch their overall rifle/shotgun or handgun handling skills and manners. Trust me, Ive been around enough shooters, that in about 2 minutes, I can assess my desire or lack of it, to be around them.
It's painfully obvious when observing an individual, who you immediately know lacks gun handling skills, and I will right away make mention of it. I will not berate nor sound trite, they just don't know any better, so I make it appear as a "tip".
I suppose that's why I usually hunt alone, I trust "me", and maybe three or four other guys I occasionally hunt with.
Ive witness three injuries with firearms, not a single one had anything to do with a mechanical safety, it had to do with where the stupid mother fuckers trigger finger was at the time of discharge.
 

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Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on November 27, 2017, 05:10 PM:
 
I know a few guys that simply do not trust a safety. They feel it becomes a false sense of security when relied upon solely as the only means of assurance of a safe weapon. There's some merit to that when custom rifles fire prematurely because the stock did not allow enough room for the trigger during installation or with safeties that are wore out.

Those particular guys put more emphasis on whether or not there is a shell in the magazine than whether or not the safety is "ON".

I hear you Vic on guys who unsafely handle firearms. A safety "ON" means nothing in the presence of someone who is not always conscious of where the firearm is pointing. I also like your idea of covering the trigger guard.

This is probably one of those things that goes to differences in habitat. In this open country, we usually have time to get ready. In heavy brush, where every second counts, the time it takes to fumble with a safety, especially with gloves on, might be the difference between a kill and not.

~SH~

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Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on November 27, 2017, 05:25 PM:
 
Leonard,

I am sure I dislike unsafe hunters more than you dislike control freaks. I won't hesitate to say something including when to let low birds go because we are getting too close to the cappers. Seen too many cappers get riddled with pellets not to say something. I'd rather offend someone than take someone to the hospital.

Oh yeh, and for the guys that shoot 6 shot at pheasants and powder them at close range, I always keep track of those birds and make sure the ones who blew them up get to clean and eat those particular birds. I figure a few chipped teeth from 6 shot or a microwave oven that lights up will remind them why it's best to let them get out a ways.

I have even watched idiots shoot at falling birds that were already dead. Too many good hunters out there to waste time hunting with idiots.

~SH~
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 27, 2017, 06:34 PM:
 
I'll tell you one pet peeve. I have hunted with a guy that never lets me know where he is, and it annoys the hell out of me! Once again, I am talking specifically on a coyote stand, not bird hunting. One time I lost track of him as usual, but this spot was a little dicy so I got up and walked towards the last place I saw him, and he had climbed a friggin' tree, and possibly a 100 yards from where I had left my stool. I started thinking it was intentional, he didn't want me to know where he was and I don't appreciate that attitude, nor do I understand it? I think that's basic, when you have a man in sight and maybe along side.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on November 27, 2017, 07:54 PM:
 
Since others have brought it up when I'm in California hunting I empty the rifle before it touches the vehicle. When I head out to make a stand I get away from the truck and load the shells into the magazine but leave the action open until I sit down to call. I reverse the process when I'm leaving. In Oregon I can leave the shells in the rifle between stands but I leave the action full open.

I shoot a semi auto shotgun and the gun is never loaded before sitting down to call. I hunt birds with an O/U 20 gauge and the safety is easily pushed forward with the thumb.

Since the great majority of my calling is done alone I don't engage the safety on a coyote stand but, again, I don't close the action until I'm set.

Years ago when I lived in Barstow I invited a neighbor to go quail hunting with me. We hunted a rown of tall brush that the quail were hiding in. I asked the guy to call out so we walked the brush evenly. Just a little whistle or even a grunt would've been nice. The SOB wouldn't make a sound. I wound up letting a lot of shts go because I didn't know where he was. He never fired a shot. Then when we got back near the truck I unloaded on him. He capped off the day by killing a Golden Eagle. I turned him in tot he game warden but the game warden said he would have had to witnessed it.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 28, 2017, 08:55 AM:
 
I don't know, Moe? But seems to me the main problem you had was walking opposite sides of the brush and out of sight and sound? I don't know how you would solve that predicament?

Of course, personally, I have lost the ability to whistle since I had some dental work done, and my grunting ability is reserved for the bedroom.

Oh yeah, I should mention that I missed the opportunity to join the Black Mile High Club, yesterday, so that would probably involve a little grunting, as well. Besides, she ate a whole bag of Fritos on that one hour flight, never offered the bag in my direction and requested TWO bags of peanuts! Not the snack size; a regular bag of Fritos. So, it was the Frito breath that turned me off. Not particularly fond of "Exotics", but there's always a first time.

Where was I?
Oh yeah, Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on November 28, 2017, 12:37 PM:
 
Yeh I hear you guys about the frustration of not knowing where your partner is. We hunt cover between us all the time and at least wear blaze orange caps as well as making noise so we know where the other guy/guys/gals are.

I remember you and I (Leonard) getting in a situation where you were in front of me and a coyote came in from in front of you so it was in line with both of us. I remember you didn't know if you should shoot it or not. I can't remember if we had my dogs there or not. You finally shot and killed the coyote and I was glad you did.

I think we ended up in that situation because I was trying to cover a different area and I didn't want to get blind sided by any coyotes approaching from that area. I would have needed adequate visibility to cover that area and that's why I ended up there. Anyway, I just remember it was not a comfortable situation for either of us. I am sure you were worried whether or not I would have a dumb shit attack and shoot past you, which I would never do. A person in your situation would still have to worry about it.

Whenever I am uncomfortable with a shooting situation like that, I can't concentrate on the shot anyway.

As an example, if I have a coyote cross the road in front of me from right to left and it is legal to shoot from the roadway (not during a big game season), with minimal traffic, I will always pull my vehicle off to the left shoulder facing oncoming traffic so I do not have to shoot across the highway. Doesn't matter if I looked both ways or not, worrying about traffic breaks my concentration enough that I cannot shoot well if I have to think about it.

~SH~
 

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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on November 28, 2017, 06:27 PM:
 
The guy was perfectly capable of whistling and the brush was thin enough to hear through. I couldn't see him, tho.

I left out the fact that a year later I got permission to hunt a piece of private property for doves. I had a couple of friends with me. Up drives this asswipe and he has a buddy with him. They saw us out in the field and decided to trespass. They sat in a ditch to my left. I shot a dove that was flopping around so I got up and went out to pick it up. That jerk waited until I was bending over to pick up the bird then he fired his shotgun at the bird. Trouble was he shot my left foot. No lead penetrated my boots but the impact of the shot made my foot swell so much that the boot needed to be cut off. When he saw what he did he and his buddy ran to their truck to get away. No problem. I knew where he lived and I'll just say he paid for what he did.
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on November 29, 2017, 04:03 AM:
 
This has to be thread of the year so much good info. Moe that dude would'a woke up dead.
I chamber at the truck when using my 6.8 as its an AR and really noisy. Don't call with it
much ,it was built for hogs.
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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 29, 2017, 07:34 AM:
 
I think that Moe's is a case where 'He needed killing' would be a viable defense.

FWIW; Before I hunt with someone, if possible, I like to spend an hour or so with them at a gun range. Gives a good idea if the guy is probably alright or shouldn't be trusted with a BB gun.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 29, 2017, 09:07 AM:
 
I like mesh face masks when it's warm, helps with skeeters & a fleece one when cold.

That's about it, could care less otherwise. It's kinda' about comfort with me.

As far as a safety goes, I'm with the safety on crowd until it's time to pull the trigger. I think it's a personal preference deal, whatever makes one comfortable. I'm down with.

I quit taking newbies out some time ago. Just don't care anymore. The right kinda' guy maybe ?

I almost prefer to be alone anymore. Unless, I get stuck

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 29, 2017, 10:46 AM:
 
Scott, yes, I remember that particular stand you mention. Beside you mercilessly ragging on me about what you called my "hushpuppy" boots. which were standard US Army Desert boots, but anyway. It was to save weight packing for the flight that I decided to bring those boots, and boy, you never let me hear the end of it!

Anyway, (again) yes, I was downhill from you by a gate and along a fence line and I guess you were about 50 yards directly behind me. What was impressed on me was that you said that because of your status as the predator control officer, that it was up to you to take the first shot, a responsibility situation. You said if the animal got away, it was on you, so I was just in a backup role.

The problem was that this coyote came in on a straight line, and in line with you, me and the coyote down the hill. Faced with your rule, I didn't know whether to shit or go blind but I finally turned 180 and looked at you and you encouraged me to shoot the damned coyote. This was a long time in coming though and we could have easily lost the animal if I had not turned around seeking permission.

Anyway, that's how I remember it. You are right, you would have been forced to shoot over my head, if you were going to shoot first. And I understand you feeling it was your responsibility and you didn't want to clean up any mess that I might make. (Thanks, Bro)

Good hunting. El Bee

[ November 29, 2017, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on December 07, 2017, 07:20 AM:
 
Not sure how I may have worded it at the time (quite certain I didn't use the phrase "status as the predator control officer") my point was that since we decided to work a complaint area, then I wanted to be pretty certain if we shot at one we'd kill it. It's not like I don't miss shots because I do but since it was a complaint area it is easier to accept cleaning up my own messes.

In hindsight, would have been better to call areas that were not complaint areas then you could shoot to your heart's content. I also remember it rained hard and we drove half way across the state to get out of it and get some hunting in.

~SH~
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2017, 10:29 AM:
 
Na, you probably didn't say that, it was just what I got out of it, no big deal. But, what I am quite sure of is you wanted to do the shooting. Your motive might have been different than how I understood.

For sure, I had a good time, Walls Drug, the reptile farm, Black hills and Crazyhorse Monument. Also, it was the first time I had ever seen Bison herds, and Prairie Chickens. I'd never seen a 7 lane bowling alley, either.

Lucky that I stopped you from stealing some guys' luggage at the airport, thinking it was mine....should have seen the look on your face!

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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