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Baldknobber
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Icon 1 posted February 19, 2011 04:11 PM      Profile for Baldknobber   Email Baldknobber         Edit/Delete Post 
Anyone had any experience with the green lights at night on coyotes? Some folks say that you can see better at night with the green. Just wonder what effect the green light has on incoming dogs. Will it spook them or is red the way to go? What are your experiences?

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted February 19, 2011 06:53 PM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
I don't see a reason for reinventing the wheel. Red works. I fiddled around with green years ago, never seen a reason to switch? The argument seems to be it's a new color and they won't spook, not used to seeing it, etc. There are all kinds of problems with that reasoning, but I won't go in to it. Red works real well, if you find that it no longer works, let me know and we will seek solutions. Or reasons, as the case may be.

Good hunting. LB

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Baldknobber
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Icon 1 posted February 20, 2011 12:22 PM      Profile for Baldknobber   Email Baldknobber         Edit/Delete Post 
I tend to agree with you LB. Have heard of some using green, but if red is proven, and it is. Just wondered what the visibility is with green vs red. I am skeptical about the green. I think I read where some guys had used it and it spooked alot of coyotes. I think red will spook coyotes to some extent if used improperly. Many use white lights all the time and get by good. They use common sense and use the halo mainly and then use the main beam only sparingly. I think that plays a part in how things work.

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TA17Rem
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Icon 1 posted February 20, 2011 12:52 PM      Profile for TA17Rem           Edit/Delete Post 
When calling alone on foot and over snow the lights really spook the coyotes. Better off calling without... [Smile]
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Icon 14 posted February 21, 2011 12:19 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
Okay, Tim. Appreciate the advice.

Good hunting. LB

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TA17Rem
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Icon 1 posted February 21, 2011 02:58 AM      Profile for TA17Rem           Edit/Delete Post 
Leonard. When useing a red lens how faraway can you pick out a coyotes body???
I know you use it for finding just the eyes but if you had to use it for shooting how far can you see with it...

I took out a white lite a few times and when sitting on the ground and on snow the lite really lights things up and as soon as I flipped the switch the coyotes would take off into cover...

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted February 21, 2011 09:41 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
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Leonard. When useing a red lens how faraway can you pick out a coyotes body???
I know you use it for finding just the eyes but if you had to use it for shooting how far can you see with it...

I took out a white lite a few times and when sitting on the ground and on snow the lite really lights things up and as soon as I flipped the switch the coyotes would take off into cover...

First, picking up a coyotes body under a "red lens" would depend on the wattage of the light. Never mind that the purpose of the red light is not necessarily picking up the body, it is monitoring the animals progress toward a shootable position/location.

As far as flipping a white light on approaching coyotes, why don't you just use an air horn? That should scatter them pretty good.

I don't think you should lite up a coyote for any other purpose but identification and shooting. That means, as soon as you turn it on, you have to be ready to pull the trigger.

What your question tells me is that you have no idea what you are doing, at night. It's really involved to explain it to you. You should read up on it, if you are interested? A good source would be right here in the night hunting forum.

Good hunting. LB

[ February 21, 2011, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

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TA17Rem
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Icon 1 posted February 21, 2011 01:51 PM      Profile for TA17Rem           Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
As far as flipping a white light on approaching coyotes, why don't you just use an air horn? That should scatter them pretty good.


I already tried that. yep it scatters them pretty good.

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I don't think you should lite up a coyote for any other purpose but identification and shooting. That means, as soon as you turn it on, you have to be ready to pull the trigger.

Yep tried that..
Some of the coyotes I'm calling out of heavey cover and they pop up just along the edge of it. I get the rifle lined up on them and as soon as I lite them up they dive right back into the cover before I can pick them up in the scope..
Was thinking that if I use a lite maybe by just useing a red lite would be a better choice..
I don't know how much power my red lite puts out thats why I asked the question about how far you can see with youre's...

The older coyotes here are more than willing to come out into the open, don't need a lite for them. The yoy coyotes are still a little timid and will just come out along the edge of cover so I need to come up with a way to get them. The coyotes are a little tougher to see when they have plum brush behind them or big dirty snow drifts.. Any way thanks for the time, I'll figure it out...

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tlbradford
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Icon 1 posted February 21, 2011 03:15 PM      Profile for tlbradford   Email tlbradford         Edit/Delete Post 
How about a blue light for foggy nights? Anybody tried those? I know that the blue is supposed to diffuse less in those weather conditions, hence their popularity with boaters.

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted February 21, 2011 05:37 PM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
We can brainstorm this 'til the cows come home, but why? There are two colors that have merit, amber and red. For coyotes, as far as I'm concerned, there is a bunch of choices, and they are all red. I have used amber extensively, in wide open places, and it's always a good choice for cats and foxes. As you get more cover, that's when a red lens becomes more useful with coyotes.

I'd strongly suggest sticking with what has worked for years, decades and generations; RED.

By the way, some have suggested that predators can't see red, but I believe they can. They don't seem threatened by red, but I think they do see it, including your spotlight. The more that you wave it around, the more likely they are to pay attention to it. Work it slow and steady is a good idea.

Now, Tim cranks out his flamethrower and the coyotes scatter like cockroaches. Now, do you really think a coyote has never seen a source of light, like headlights? Sure they have, and they accept it as a natural part of the landscape.

Coyotes react a lot differently if lit up by a spotlight when they aren't responding to a howl or distress, just minding their own business. Many a pup gets squashed on the highway because they don't pay enough attention to lights.

Good hunting. LB

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Kokopelli
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Icon 1 posted February 22, 2011 04:19 AM      Profile for Kokopelli   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
Ok,..........now I'm confused. I don't know squat about night hunting except what I read & see on video. Everything that I read involves red lights, dim lights & the fringe of the light beam right up until shootin' time. Then I watch the video the two kids from Texas put out & they're throwing out enough white light to shoot skeet with, and bringing coyotes in close. [Confused]

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted February 22, 2011 10:28 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
I talked to them about that. The practical reason is video quality and the secondary reason is they have access to such virgin country that they can ignore the shy ones, and I have to assume that there are many shy coyotes that don't respond. The other thing is, it is possible to use a white light, if you know what you are doing. If that was all I had, I would use it, and would kill a few animals. But, you don't have to see much to know the difference between red and white.

I hope you are now unconfused?

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Kokopelli
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Icon 1 posted February 22, 2011 11:31 AM      Profile for Kokopelli   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, makes sense. Now I'm more unconfused than I was but not as unconfused as I was when I was a teenager; I knew EVERYTHING back then. [Cool]

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted February 22, 2011 12:13 PM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, I hear ya! How did you react to the news that the Wright Brothers had achieved flight? I bet that was a big deal, back then?

Good hunting. LB

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Kokopelli
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Icon 1 posted February 23, 2011 06:51 AM      Profile for Kokopelli   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
Yes El Bee, it was a big deal, and yes, I wondered how it would affect coyote hunting. Probabaly pretty much the same reaction I suppose that you had when T. Edison invented the light bulb. [Razz]

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted February 23, 2011 08:22 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
What was the weather like, the day your posse landed on Plymouth Rock? Partly cloudy, 10% chance of rain, or don't you remember?

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Kelly Jackson
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Icon 1 posted February 23, 2011 08:48 AM      Profile for Kelly Jackson   Email Kelly Jackson         Edit/Delete Post 
When my daughter was five, I told her to ask her granny (my MIL) how she got those scars on her shoulders. I told Tay that Granny was going to say what scars and when she does you say the ones where that Pterodactyl tried to carry you off when you was young…..and then the fight started…lol
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Kokopelli
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Icon 1 posted February 23, 2011 02:05 PM      Profile for Kokopelli   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
I don't remember what the weather was exactly, but it must not have been too bad; I remember riding a surf board in from the boat to shore. [Cool]

Kelly, you may have hit a nerve with El Bee, bringing up Pterodactyls. I understand that Leonard used to raise them from the egg & train them to hunt until they got too big to land on his arm. You guys probably didn't know that in addition to his coyote hunting skills, El Bee is also the father of Falconery. 'Course that was a long time ago & with his fading memory he probably doesn't remember much of his youth back then. [Big Grin]

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[ February 23, 2011, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: Kokopelli ]

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Paul Melching
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Icon 1 posted February 23, 2011 03:17 PM      Profile for Paul Melching           Edit/Delete Post 
KoKo
Now your just makin shit up, I distincly remember
there was no surf that day!

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Kokopelli
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Icon 1 posted February 23, 2011 07:41 PM      Profile for Kokopelli   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
Paul, of COURSE you don't remember any surf that day. When you saw those hot 1ndian chickas on shore you RAN across the water all of the way to the beach shouting "The great white father's a'comming little darlings".

It kind of spoiled the whole solemn first contact thing.

[Big Grin]

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted February 23, 2011 11:49 PM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
I have asked everyone that deserves an opinion, and they all say they NEVER saw an even moderately attractive Popago woman. They are ALL mutts. (intentionally misspelled to get around the censor)

Good hunting. LB

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tawnoper
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Icon 1 posted February 24, 2011 11:18 AM      Profile for tawnoper   Email tawnoper         Edit/Delete Post 
red lights seem to make em stop...and green lights make em go. I just can't figure out why?
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Paul Melching
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Them Algonquins is babes!
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Baldknobber
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Icon 1 posted February 24, 2011 04:28 PM      Profile for Baldknobber   Email Baldknobber         Edit/Delete Post 
Tawnoper, You are exactly right! Red is for stop and green is for go. What the hell was I thinking!! LOL

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