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Topic: Complaint about DAA? And Huber?
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Leonard
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posted April 15, 2017 06:16 AM
I've been gone for a couple days and I came back to email from "somebody" who seemed to have a problem with Dave having a conversation about calling coyotes with Redfrog on the PredatorMasters Forum. So, being curious, I had to check it out. I haven't been there in years, actually surprised to see he was still around and dispensing advice.
I didn't see why somebody might be pissed that Dave would be participating? Except that there is so much difference between the character and credibility of those two individuals?
I admit that Huntmasters doesn't have a lot of useful stuff regarding basic hunting and tactics and assume it's because we've all been down that road so many times and it's redundant. (speaking from the standpoint of "been there, done that").
While I'm at it, in the complaint department, I also got a email from a very indignant Tony Tebbe who was extremely upset with Scott Huber. Something concerning dogging coyotes? Called Wiley E a fake animal control specialist! Well, you know Tony, anything to make a buck? I don't think Scott needs any defending on my part, and I don't recall what the hell has Tony so bent out of shape? Egos being what they are, hard telling?
Okay, look. I have to renew with GoDaddy in about a week, if i'm going to? I am aware of the trend. We just don't seem to talk about the same old shit, over and over. I attribute this to the fact that there are very few members here that aren't actually what could be considered expert on the subject of hunting coyotes. Even while freely admitting that nobody has seen it all, and acknowledging that a coyote can make a fool out of anybody, once in a while, no matter how many you have killed and how long you've been doing it.
So really, I enjoy keeping in contact with you guys, even those that don't contribute as much as they should....I'M LOOKING AT YOU, AZ! But, wouldn't it be nice to weigh in on the subject of coyotes, or any predator, once in a while, just to give me a reason to continue this Forum that really is being wasted; when you consider the vast amount of experience that could be utilized.
Think about what I'm saying and what I'm asking. You guys could be showing what you know, and I also know why you don't, because when all is said and done, none of you have anything to prove any more. So, if you could put aside the false modesty for a while and think about the treasure that is here and available, and maybe turn loose of a nugget every once in a while?
Look, I apologize for all the political subject matter that has accumulated on the Member Forum, but that seems to be the only forum on the Board that gets any traffic. If I put it in the Politics Forum, nobody gives a shit and nobody reads it and nobody contributes, etc. So, what else can I do?
This site is for all you guys and you know, it does cost time and treasure, on my part. I do it for the social aspects, and to do my part, for the sport. Please help me feel like it's worthwhile. I know that there are people that check this board every day and yet we seldom hear from you? I mean, would it kill you to post a stupid comment once in a while? There are people out there that are dying to read what you guys have to say. Talk to us, it's not like it costs anything. Well, it does, but it's my treat, but if you people, (you know who you are) don't give a shit, why should I waste my time?
Think about it. LB
edited for spelling
[ April 15, 2017, 06:20 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Paul Melching
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posted April 15, 2017 06:40 AM
Guilty as charged I will make an effort to do better.
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Lonny
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posted April 15, 2017 06:50 AM
Leonard, I like this place because it is a little slower paced, and the people who frequent it seem like the real deal. More like a small group conversation atmosphere than sitting at a seminar with hundreds of people. I feel like I know some of these fellows even though I've never shook hands with a single one.
The quality is high here even if the overall posts are low. I like that.
I also like the off coyote topic stuff. Hell, who doesn't enjoy a DAA pictorial from a 50 mile hike in the Utah canyons? Places I'll never see personally, but I sure do like seeing it through the eyes of others.
I couldn't give a shit less where other people post. I don't participate nearly as much on any forums as I used to mostly because of time.
[ April 15, 2017, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: Lonny ]
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Lone Howl
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posted April 15, 2017 07:34 AM
Why would anyone give a shit what Dave...or anyone else... does on the internet? Is this guy an internet cop? A guy with no life? Likely just a dipshit...with no life.
And who gives a fuck about Tebbe or what he thinks? Tony...if your feelings are hurt, post the fuck up here..you will get all of the answers that you seek. Stop slipping notes to the teacher. That's PM crybaby shit.
Lonny is right...and you know, its true forums are failing left and right for many reasons, but I can't tell you how many guys tell me they wish they could post here but don't for whatever reason. They do enjoy lurking, just for the entertainment.
I hope Huntmasters continues...and again..I am willing to help as I know others are..moneywise...if needed.
Mark
[ April 17, 2017, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
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Kokopelli
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posted April 15, 2017 09:02 AM
Here's the thing about turning loose a nugget or two once in a while; It has to be done verrrry carefully else the nugget becomes a projectile fired back at the one offering it in the first place.
To wit; I hunt pretty thick stuff with a shotgun.
But,......If I stand up on my hind legs and proclaim this to be THE WAY the guys with the wiz-bang rifles are going to pile on unless I phrase my opinion verrrrry carefully.
Just ask the guy who suggested rotating the speaker above your head. Didn't end well.
So, we can talk about politics and we can talk about pussy and we all get along. Coyotes, on the other hand tend to get us kinda wound up.
This is a social board as much as it is a predator hunting board and most of us are pretty happy with it that way.
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Leonard
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posted April 15, 2017 11:07 AM
Well, as usual, ko ko, you wander off in the weeds. First of all, yes, you contribute and really, it doesn't matter how much or what direction it takes.
But, as far as worrying about if you might be jumped on for sharing an opinion, Uncle Leonard always has your back, don't he? Never fear expressing an opinion, this is first and foremost a free speech forum.
Also, if you hunt thick stuff with a shotgun, I don't think anybody cares, even if you say it's the onlyest way. I don't think you'd say that anyway, regardless if you meant it or were afraid of being laughed at.
As to your last statement, I have no problem, and more or less agree. However, if we leave it to the Redfrogs and Tony Tebbe's of the world to educate the unwashed, (re: coyotes) don't you feel even a little guilty?
If guys like Cal or Huber or Dave, or Vic talks, where else do they have to go to, to get it from the horses mouth? Geesus! you/they don't have to give up the immortal secrets of the game, just COYOTE 101, from somebody that knows their shit!
I'll tell you one thing, talking coyotes will never get ME "all wound up". I know what I know....and I know what I don't.
Please, continue. All opinions welcome. LB
[ April 15, 2017, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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posted April 15, 2017 02:29 PM
I know a lot about coyote trapping, I know enough about calling to really get myself into real trouble and I always seem to lose translation between brain and typing. I don't want to be a know it all so I keep my mouth shut. So hi guys ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Eddie
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posted April 15, 2017 04:18 PM
Well hell, now I've heard it all.
You got Tebbe and some one else complaining about Dave and Scott. Who cares!!!
That crap doesn't belong here.
As far as posting about calling, everybody does it different.
You guys that call open country call different than I do in the blackjack and post oak ridges that I hunt. I think that most of the guys around here have been hunting for awhile but my Grandpa always told you never get to old to learn.
LB.....I'm like most of the guys around here if you need help to keep this site going just say the word. I was raised to help the elderly and the handicap lol!!
No bullshit I help any way I can.
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Leonard
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posted April 15, 2017 05:47 PM
Thanks for the comments, everybody.
Eddie, I very much appreciate your gesture of financial support. Lone Howl as well. Thank you.
I mentioned the fact that I have a deadline approaching for renewal but I certainly wasn't hinting that I could use monetary assistance. No, really, I'm not rolling in dough but this website is my gift. I never have, and never intend to solicit contributions. There never have been ads and there never will be ads to generate income. I am asked frequently and I appreciate that as well, but I also enjoy my independence. Everything said by me or any member is protected speech.
No, mentioning the upcoming renewal was because, I could fold the tent if nobody cares anymore. I don't really think that's the case, but you guys are becoming readers rather than participants. I also know that some people dislike the political conversation. I believe that those of us that do what we do involving hunting and firearms have a mutual interest in the threats we have against us, unrelenting and devious. So, I assume we are in the same boat politically with the same concerns. You want your hunting privileges protected, and want to hear about pending Bills and Laws affecting our Second Amendment rights. I mean, where else are you going to get it, on CNN? <sarcastic>
But, sometimes you say that you just want to talk about hunting, no politics.
And, that right there is my POINT! The point is, you say something like that and yet, where's all the hunting chatter, huh? See what I mean? Let's do a little of both.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Lonny
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posted April 15, 2017 06:31 PM
Leonard, If you ever want to pass the hat to help with the costs, just say the word.
All that said, I'd never donate one thin dime to any other forums.
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posted April 15, 2017 08:27 PM
I enjoy reading about how other hunters in different areas of the country hunt/trap coyotes and other predators. A lot of the western areas are very wide open when compared to the type of terrain that I'm used to hunting in. Besides, I can always learn something that other hunters use with success.
Also, my hunting area just does not have the high coyote numbers of other areas, so the kill ratio is much lower than most other hunters. It is amazing to see the numbers of coyotes taken in some one day hunts and I really enjoy the stories/pictures that other hunters post.
As far as the whiners, they should grow up or shut up.
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Kokopelli
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posted April 15, 2017 08:49 PM
One more thing...............
This time of year, the coyotes are doing what coyotes do and re-populating our hunting areas.
Many of us are happy to let them while we go fishing.
Ask me about poking carp & tiliapia with pointed sticks. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted April 16, 2017 02:24 AM
Hmmm, some sage coyote advise to all the newbies.
Go to sporting goods store or All Predator Calls. Buy a guarenteeeed to work coyote call, go out to sage where you see coyote crap. sit down so you can see what's going on around you. Read instructions and disclaimers on newly purchased "Gaurentteeed to work coyote call. Wind yourself out blowing on said call and be ready to blast the holy crap out of all the coyotes you call in.
OR go get an ecaller.Set it out in front of you and turn it on. Then blast the bejeesus out of the incomming hords of coyotes.
There ya go Leonard,"sage" advices from an old fart and coyote hunter. Should help someone,Then again maybe not...LOL Thanks for the forum. anyways.
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NVWalt
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posted April 16, 2017 02:31 AM
I forgot my own disclaimer. This only works out in the western part of the USA that has sage brush. Calling here in the east and up on the coast of Washington and Oregon require different tactics and maybe someone from those places can chime in. I don't know anything about using dogs after coyotes except it was challenging to say the least breaking my hounds from chasing them while I was out hunting bears or cats. I think I covered most aspects of calling though!!! LOL..
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posted April 16, 2017 04:58 AM
Thank you, Leonard!
Happy Easter, all.
Koko, I remember as a kid, having tilapia in my fish tank. They were some of the cool South American cichlids that would eat guppies, along with oscar fish and dempseys. Snakeheads were badass, too...
Which gets to my point. Now, those aquarium fish have been released into our freshwater ways and seemingly gone wild as insavive species?
I know snakeheads are a scourge, and oscars are common bass bycatch in the south. Are tilapia now wild, too?
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posted April 16, 2017 05:15 AM
Well shit... Spend a day working on a truck, without looking at the computer, and look what you get to come back to.
It's embarrassing that anyone would be writing notes about me like that. It really is. Just don't know how to take something like that.
But, Koko, I'd LOVE to hear about thick stuff shotgun work. Only started using a shotgun, really, this last season. I'm a real honest to goodness noob. And, a lot of the stands I carried the shotgun, Tim had a rifle and they were actually more suitable for rifle (shotgunned quite a few on those stands too though!).
So, very, very little experience actually getting in their in the thick stuff with a shotgun. But I plan on going out of my way to try and do a lot more of it this coming season. Be thick sage brush, my area of operations.
Anyone wants to talk about that, I'm a listening!
- DAA
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Leonard
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posted April 16, 2017 06:31 AM
Dave, I don't think this email is something to be embarrassed about, more like <shrug> BFD.
But, to understand, I can forward the complaint, which is hard to classify, except this guy, (a lurker, by the way, I don't believe he is a member) ... seems to believe that you are far too noble to be chumming with Redfrog?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Leonard
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posted April 16, 2017 06:37 AM
Fred, I used to be into aquarium fish, the usual community tank stuff. I raised a lot of livebearers. But, I always wanted to set up a tank exclusive with African Cichlids, mainly from Lake Malawi. If I ever get back into it, it won't be tide pool salt water, maybe something a little more manageable.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted April 16, 2017 06:45 AM
Well... Regardless the intention, it's the kind of stuff that makes me loathe to post anything, anywhere. Nobody needs that kind of shit in their life.
Honestly, I keep finding more and more reasons just to keep my mouth shut. Everywhere. I don't think I've ever regretted NOT posting. Opposite direction you want this to go, I know, Leonard.
But seriously, who needs it?
- DAA
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posted April 16, 2017 08:09 AM
LB: "I also got a email from a very indignant Tony Tebbe who was extremely upset with Scott Huber. Something concerning dogging coyotes? Called Wiley E a fake animal control specialist!"
Never heard of the guy but one would have to assume that he uses decoy dogs to kill one coyote out of a pair, never looks for the den, then likes to assume he's doing the livestock industry a favor. Could care less. Glad I upset him!
I don't get here as often as I would like because I simply don't have much down time. You run this place the way you want Leonard. It's the only place I like to go because many here have a lot of experience.
~SH~
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Kokopelli
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posted April 16, 2017 08:33 AM
Knockemdown;
I'm not sure where our Tiliapia came from. Planted or illegal release ??
VERY spooky in shallow water. Bright electric blue with red trim. I'm guessing those are spawning colors. Running 3 to 4 pounds. Would love to catch one on a fly rod but from what I'm told, they're best caught on dough-balls. I find them in Alamo Lake but I believe they're in most of the Western Arizona lakes & rivers.
DAA;
Incoming nugget; Find a coyote having a worse day than you are..........and kill it.
One thing about hunting the thick stuff.....it can be pretty mentally tiring. You HAVE to stay really alert 'cause shit can happen really quick and you don't get 'do overs'. Normal time from first sighting to taking the shot is usually less than 5 seconds. Shot cup is often laying next to the coyote.
Thick is good.......therefore very thick is very good.
One more thing (subject to debate) Shotties can be set up to shoot tight patterns at 60 or more yards. If you need a tight pattern at 60 yards, buy a Mini-14. That 60 yard pattern will be the size of your fist at close range and will cost you coyotes.
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Wiley E
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posted April 16, 2017 09:21 AM
DAA,
Leonard's depiction of anyone criticizing you for posting on Predator Masters is quite vague.
Without more to go on, I would take it more from the standpoint of a small jab at you, someone with a tremendous amount of calling experience, sharing your knowledge at a site that does not have the approval of everyone in the calling fraternity due to historical events there. As if that should even be a consideration.
I have always enjoyed what you and Vic had to share dating back to the black board, ALWAYS. Your experience is easy to recognize so stay focused on those of us who enjoy hearing from you and not a handful of insecure critics who would rather suck their thumbs.
~SH~
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Leonard
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posted April 16, 2017 09:38 AM
Yeah, ^ that's right. I sent the emails to both of you because it's not fair to have both of you wondering how bad it is. Answer: not very. Much to do about nothing.
This just gives you folks an idea of the crap that pops up from time to time. Almost invariably, not from a member, but make no mistake, we have quite a few that lurk with their own reasons for keeping up with "things".
I used to have a service that provided data, unique visits, etc. Now, it costs so I don't get it and I'm not that interested, usually. Make no mistake, some of these girls get really upset when on the 'net, and should probably be on valium?
Good hunting. El Bee
PS my apologies to both you guys for stirring the shit.
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posted April 16, 2017 09:42 AM
To my way of thinking, if someone doesn't have the courage to stand on their convictions and respond like everyone else does, a private email response doesn't exist.
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posted April 16, 2017 09:48 AM
This is why I don't post much this place is just too entertaining !
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