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Dave Allen
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posted March 03, 2015 06:55 AM
I'm with ya Koko..
Fields is it's own deal for sure. Burns to the north has been on my list quite some time also.
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Leonard
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posted March 03, 2015 07:08 AM
I am fully aware of eastern Oregon. If they would partition the state, that would be a high up option for me.
And, yes. Those coastal assholes have my forever animosity. They say it's because so many CA people sold out and moved up there and drove up property values? On the other hand, you would think they would be happy about that; but this is Granola Oregon, so....
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Leonard
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posted March 03, 2015 07:47 AM
And, my brother in Olympia, (actually Tumwater) has a gate in his back fence where he has a stream that he can step across that has salmon in it, seasonally.
Does that make up for 180 continuous days of overcast and rain? Not likely. Sister-in-law needs sunshine therapy, some kind of lamp to allay the cabin fever. Then, there are "No Burn Days" in "God's Country"! Something to do with coastal fog and inversion layers? Have I listed enough reason?
If it weren't for friggin' Liberals, Kalifornia wouldn't be a bad place to live, climate is great. And, don't forget, I am eight miles from the ski lift at Mt. Baldy, and 40 miles from surfing at Newport Beach. Virtually anything is available here, from the Desert to the Sea, as Jerry Dumphy used to say opening his nightly news.
But, it is what it is and I can't stand it! Moved here with my parents in 1955, hard to believe how hostile I have become to living in this state. Some people are born movers and some are nesters. I'm a nester. But getting fed up.
Montana has a lot to offer but those brutal winters stand out. I have a high school chum who lived there until moving to Florida. She seems not to miss it? I don't know the whole story, but she teaches Chinese students and has already visited China. What is it with people that continue to work past retirement age? I never liked the grind that much, always hated to get out of bed, and looked forward to doing exactly nothing special. But, I should have planned a little better, I can't do everything I want to do, $.
Oh well, there are lots of people like me, and very few like Dan, (the man) who, (I understand) is really loaded!
Is there a state east of the Mississippi that bares consideration? What I have seen of Wisconsin, I liked very much but it was just YMCA camp when I was a kid. St Croix river area. Loved it.
Apparently, there is a lot to consider in North Carolina?
Well, got to go Bibi is addressing congress.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Lone Howl
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posted March 03, 2015 07:47 AM
Speaking of relocating, what happened to NPHA?
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posted March 03, 2015 07:49 AM
I didn't read every post word for word, but I did skim through all of them. I did read Dave's original post very carefully though. Here's my experience. I grew up in Arizona and Utah. I went to part of my junior high years, all of high school, and college in Utah. Then I worked a couple years in Utah after graduating. All toll I lived there for 17 years. I absolutely never cared for it. The day my family moved to Utah from Arizona was the day I started planning my escape, it just took 17 years. The influx from out of state is what I hated most about living in Utah. I won't go into why as that's pretty much been covered by Chad already. A little over 20 years ago I got a chance to move to Montana. I have no family up here except for my wife and children. I didn't know anyone in Montana and basically came here a complete stranger. I was instantly welcomed and it felt like I'd finely found home the day I arrived in Montana. I've raised all my kids here and I have zero regrets. For me it was the perfect fit. I still wake up each morning even after 20 years, and wonder if it's all a dream. I love living here and every time I go back to Utah to visit family, it takes me about 5 second on I-15 through Salt Lake valley to remember why I hate that place. So rather than continuing to babble let me just say that sometimes a "move" is the best thing in the world. Like 3 Toes it's Montana or Wyoming for me. There just isn't anywhere else I'd fit in.
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Leonard
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posted March 03, 2015 09:04 AM
Good post. I envy you!
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Eddie
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posted March 03, 2015 09:43 AM
Maybe someone can shed some light on what happen over at NPHA.
Was there last night and now there gone.
As far as moving you guys can come to Oklahoma we got running water and inside toilets... No I'm not B.S. just got my last year. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Dave Allen
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posted March 03, 2015 10:07 AM
Great post Troy !!
As far as NPHA, looks like Randy has his own site now ?
www.nationalpredatorhunter.com
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posted March 03, 2015 10:18 AM
Don't get me wrong I still love Utah especially the central part of the State. I will never move. But I do get very frustrated with the liberal influence that keeps coming here. I still think it is one of the most Conservative States in the U.S but I guess time will tell. And I can still get a hell of a lot of hunting done here. Plus its close to other great hunting States like Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona,New Mexico, and Idaho. I just wish the Liberal bastards would stay on the East and West Coasts.
Good Hunting Chad
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ursus21
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posted March 03, 2015 10:43 AM
What it all really boils down to is priorities. For me, when I moved 20 years ago the top priority was to move to a state with great hunting and fishing, with a low human population. Once I moved here I discovered the people, by and large, were some of the best people I've ever met anywhere. As I grow older and fish/hunt less than I used to, "people", particularly family and close friends are more of a priority. With that said, I will likely some day leave Montana, but it will be to move closer to family and friends and the outdoor activities will just not be that big of a priority when that day comes. Not quite there yet though as my kids aren't all grown and out of the house yet.
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Leonard
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posted March 03, 2015 11:12 AM
I got an email a few days ago explaining the switch, thought everybody did?
Randy is the logical guy to handle the forums. I like him and consider him a friend.
Getting back to where to go, Louisiana could be, if I had not watched a few of those survival shows. Nothing but putrid swamp and friggin' snakes in the Sportsman's Paradise, near as I can tell? I saw enough swamp in Minneesota, it's okay but gets old in a hurry.
How about Australia? Oops, the gun issue, not good!
How about Switzerland? They say guns in every house? I hear it's real expensive to live there.
How about Mexico?
Good hunting. El Bee
PS I'm kidding about Mexico, I don't even want to fly over that stupid country.
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DAA
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posted March 03, 2015 11:40 AM
I don't expect relocation will ever be in the cards for me.
I really like my job. And my job isn't moving, so neither am I.
And my retirement plan is to die in the harness. Just keep working till the day I die.
So, retirement, relocation, it's all just talk, coming from me. None of it is ever going to happen.
That said...
I like the cold and the winters less every year. So, would have to be someplace with milder winters than Salt Lake City. That means Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, are out of the running, for me.
What I hate the most about winter here though, is the air pollution. Pollution is the Number One reason I'd like to move away from here, if I could. Liberals, traffic, crowds, winter, whatever, none of it bothers me nearly as much as this polluted air I have to breath. If I ever do relocate, the pollution in the Salt Lake Valley will be the reason why.
I don't see myself in any of the west coast states. Some nice areas on the dry sides, I know, but the state politics in all three are just way too liberal for me to even consider moving to any of them.
Not going to live anywhere without easy access to real mountains and plentiful public land. So the plains states and Texas are out.
I don't have a problem with Utah, per se. I think it's a great place to live. State politics are pretty good. A few states even better, but not many. Economy in the state is and always has been outstanding. The Outfit runs the show, love 'em or hate 'em, can't deny they do a great job of keeping the place clean and the riff raff moving along. Tons of public land. Not too many people in most of the state. Most diverse and beautiful scenery of any state, in my opinion. Unlimited outdoor recreation opportunity.
So, leaving Utah is far from a must, for me. Just would like to leave the Wasatch Front and its gawd damn pollution behind, is all...
Anyway...
If the Utah state line could be moved to include Fruita, Colorado, I think that's where I'd like to live. Close enough to big city jobs, amenities and medical care, but still fairly rural vibe. Great climate. Great jumping off spot for enough outdoor activities to last me the rest of my days.
Colorado would be almost like moving to California though, as far as subjecting myself to a socialist state legislature. And I don't care, not one tiny bit, about legal weed or fags getting married, either. None of that is any of my business and I just don't care what other people smoke or take up their ass. But the overall liberal political climate in CO, I just can't see myself going there. A shame...
Back to Utah...
Moab has turned into a gaudy tourist trap from hell. Used to be one of my favorite towns, anywhere. Can hardly stand it anymore. Too hot in the summers anyway.
Do like the Blanding and Monticello area - summers are cooler and not nearly as touristy as Moab. I could be happy living there.
Kanab reminds me a lot of how Moab used to be, could be happy as a clam there about 7 months out of the year, but again, summers are brutal.
And then there is Nevada...
I really like the area where our house north of Caliente is. Winters are mild compared to SLC. Summers aren't any worse, really, at the elevation our house sits, than they are here in SLC. NV state politics aren't perfect, but they are tolerable. Especially the no income tax part. Hunting, especially varmint hunting, is free and easy. No crowds. No pollution. Not in Lincoln county.
Only complaints, are how far it is to any decent shopping or medical care. But I think I could live with that.
So, there it is. The area around Caliente and Pioche, is where I think I'd go. With Monticello/Blanding Utah area in second place. But there aren't many jobs to speak of in either place. If there were, they'd likely lose all their appeal to me as a place I'd like to actually live.
- DAA
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ursus21
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posted March 03, 2015 12:47 PM
DAA, I'm surprised you spelled Pioche correctly let alone know where it is. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) That is where my mom's family is from. I've spent many days roaming around Pioche and even looked hard at a job in Panaca right before moving to Montana. Glad I picked MT though as that school in Pananca was worn out! Still there is some great hunting especially for predators over and around that country.
Just curious why you didn't list Cedar City or one of the small communities near there? If I had to move back to Utah I think I'd choose Kanosh or Beaver Utah. Both communities have a lot going for them if you love the out doors.
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DAA
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posted March 03, 2015 01:18 PM
Only reason for leaving out Cedar is the I-15 corridor. It brings a lot of baggage with it. More and more every year. The development cycle in that area is going pretty crazy. Give it another 15 years and I don't think it's going to be very much like I think you are remembering it.
Cedar is where I go for supplies and building materials when we stay at our place between Caliente and Pioche. I'm pretty familiar with the area, and I do like it.
But I don't like it as much as I did even just ten years ago and afraid I'm going to like it a whole helluva lot less another 10 - 15 years from now.
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Leonard
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posted March 03, 2015 01:50 PM
I have passed through Pioche and Caliente hundreds of times. Nice quiet little berg, and off the highway, for the most part.
I don't know what it's called but that area east of Cedar City, a lot of private enclaves tells me the Yuppies have discovered it.
I kind of like the area further west by Minerville. There is a little Chinese restaurant that is the best in town, serves all western grub and asian specialities. Kind of a hick town, sometimes you have to stop for a herd of cows passing through, but ROLL YOUR WINDOWS UP ! Or, you will have flies in your cab for the next three or four hours.
What about the Pink Coral dunes area down south? Kinda laid back. Hurricane, I think is the town?
But, everywhere you go, there you are. (The Outfit)
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 03, 2015 02:08 PM
Dave A, you at the John Deere on Franklin?
Just went by earlier to Pacific Steel then to Costco, Birds of Prey and Qualitly trailers. Drove 20/26 back to Corwin Ford. What a frickn mess over driving way to fast!! My eyes are still spinning!!
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posted March 03, 2015 02:18 PM
Leonard, the guy that originally owned and opened that Chinese restaurant was named Tommy Yee. While going to college I managed the hunting and fishing department of a sporting good's store in Cedar City. He would come in and buy a rifle or shotgun and scopes every month from me. Eventually we got to know each other pretty good and even went hunting together a time or two. Whenever I was in Minersville I would stop by and say hello to him. He would never let me pay for a meal. He would always say; "You my flend (friend) on'a house." When I was down in Utah last summer fishing on Minersville reservoir my friends told me that Tommy had passed away. Kind'a bummed me out as he was a real character, and you are right that was some good Chinese food. Who'd a thunk that you and I have likely sat at the same table and had lunch in a tiny Chinese restaurant in and even tinier town in southern Utah?! Crazy what a small world it is sometimes.
DAA, I haven't been to Cedar City for about 5 years or so and it was completely different from the town it was when I went to college there. Heck, it only had 3 stop lights when I was a student there. Now I couldn't even tell you how many it has. I still like Beaver City quite a bit and it's still pretty darn nice. Kanosh is just far enough off the freeway that it still has all the charm of a small town without all the I-15 riff-raff. I've been going to Kanosh since I was just a kid and honestly it hasn't changed a whole lot in the last 45 years.
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Dave Allen
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posted March 03, 2015 03:03 PM
Yep, Campbell Tractor on franklin. Feel free stop in next time.
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posted March 03, 2015 03:16 PM
Troy, I hear ya. Have never spent any time in Kanosh, but it's in a real nice spot, for sure.
Think I could by happy in Panguitch too, far as that goes. Probably quite a few towns in the general area I'd be happy.
Couldn't drag me into the Hurricane/St. George area though. My Mom has lived there for 20 years, the population has skyrocketed while she has been there. But nobody planned for ten times the people. Traffic is worse on a weekday in St. George than it is in Salt Lake and I mean it's not even close! And the summers are just man killers. I don't know how our Arizona brethren handle that kind of heat on a routine basis. Nice place to visit in the winter though!
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posted March 03, 2015 04:13 PM
Sure as hell is a small world, Troy. I would have bet nobody had ever heard of the town. We were stopped for gas and asked about a good place for breakfast. The attendant, without hesitation recommended the Chinese place down the street. "Don't worry, they have two menus."
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: PS did the sporting good's store have a huge Paul Bunyon statue in the parking lot?
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posted March 03, 2015 05:36 PM
No, I worked for Gart Brothers Sporting Goods. I was originally hired by Sunset Sports, then it was bought out by Herman's Sports, and then by Gart Bros. I had the same job they just kept changing owners and managers. I think Gart Bros eventually went under or at least I haven't seen any of their stores in years. I don't think my old store is a sporting goods store anymore. Maybe DAA knows what is there now?
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posted March 03, 2015 05:49 PM
DAA, I hear you there! Panguitch is a nice town. I have a few good friends there. I was offered a teaching job there my first year out of college but they were so small it was only a part time deal. At the time I would given anything for it to have been full time. I ended up in Mt. Pleasant instead. Worst stinking place I've ever lived. The only thing I liked about Sanpete County was seeing it in my rear view mirror. That is one eff'ed up place!!!
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Dave Allen
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posted March 03, 2015 06:51 PM
Dave mentioned pollution. I failed to mention that, kinda weird to think about perhaps when talking about Utah and Idaho.
Yes, it's an issue up here also. Winter of 13/14 was really bad. Seemed like most of December and January we were under a bad inversion.
Sometimes you don't realize how bad it is until ya come down from higher country and all you see is a brown foggy haze. It sucks..
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Leonard
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posted March 03, 2015 08:51 PM
Hmm? Sounds like "No Burn Days" is in your future?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 04, 2015 06:23 AM
I doubt I will ever leave Hell/Phoenix unless the Mexicans turn us into a blue state. Being retired means you can usually avoid rush hour here. I live on an Acre lot within a major city with a big house, a BIG shop, and a soon to be done reloading/man cave. What I really like about Phoenix is access to good medical doctors and hospitals. I discovered how important that is while fight prostate cancer. Within a two hours of Phoenix you can go from the desert to an alpine region. As far as our summers go, I'm a morning person. Getting up at 4:00 am isn't a problem to avoid working in the heat. If I had to move, I believe kanab, UT or Fredonia, Az would be my first choice. It is only about 1.5 hours to ST George where one could find good medical care and shopping.
OOPS I forgot: why Fredonia/Kanab, one hour from Lake Powell.
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