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Cayotaytalker
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posted August 15, 2011 09:16 AM
Would any of you guys out there buy one? And if so what model?
I like the older square ones or sports.
I might go with a Ford Ranger 4x4. Also there are a few Toyota's around.A few Toyota trucks and a few four runners.
The reason I like the cherokee is a guy could sleep in the back or camp out of it and there are tons of them out there.
So when it comes to Jeep Cherokees is there any model to stay away from. And if any one out there has had one how did you like it? What were the pit falls?
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posted August 15, 2011 12:32 PM
i had an 87. 4.0 engine. loved it and it caused me very little trouble even with 200,000 on it.a good buddy has had quite a few. he loves them too.
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Leonard
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posted August 15, 2011 12:34 PM
Must be okay? That dead guy we found out in the desert was driving one, or, HAD been driving one.
But seriously, I don't know? I never had a strong urge for any sort of a rig that wasn't a pick up truck. I had a Suburban for a while. Wait! two, come to think of it? The turning radius was slightly worse than a Dodge which is slightly worse than my Titan.
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posted August 15, 2011 02:57 PM
I had a 94 square body, lifted 4 inches with 30" BFGs.......loved it.....sold it to Andys son a couple years ago and he's still driving it, even with a teenage driver they just keep going with minimal repairs, it's a go anywhere vehicle, I miss it. Keep the u joints fresh and they'll take good care of you off road.
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DAA
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posted August 15, 2011 03:17 PM
I've ridden in, been around and worked on a shit load of XJ's and ZJ's. They are extremely common and popular around here. I bought my Son a '95 ZJ w/the 4.0. Good solid rig. Easy to work on when needed.
Look for one with the factory tow package, it might have a 44 rear instead of the 35 (bad experiences have caused me to hate C clip axles...) But stay way from the aluminum cased 44A rear diffs. And stay away from the transfer cases that aren't fully selectable and you should be fine.
Around here, there are enough of them to choose from that I wouldn't buy one that had ANY evidence of having EVER been offroad. Lots of them get used as Mom's Grocery Getter around here and never see any offroad use at all. The one I bought my Son is totally bone stock and the underneath doesn't look like it ever left the pavement. Just so many on the market, and they are all pretty cheap, why buy one that has already been beat on, is my thinking.
Electrical gremlins are common on the older XJ's and especially ZJ's, but typically not that hard to track down and fix. Just aggravatingly common.
Make sure the 4WD works. Make sure the front axle u-joints and drivelines are nice and tight. If it's an auto, the AW4 is the model you want. Pull the tranny dipstick and smell the fluid, walk away if it smells burnt. Replace the front axle vacuum disconnect with a cable as soon as you can, if the model you end up with has one.
On the 4.0, check the exhaust manifold for cracks. If it's original, it is probably cracked. Use that to get the price down. You can find a decent quality new manifold online for about $125 and it's about a 4 hour job to swap it out and not as hard as it looks. Replace all the hardware and use plenty of antisieze when you do!
The rear main seal leaks on almost all of them, so don't pass up a cherry specimen just because it marks it's territory a little bit. On the other hand, be aware and on the lookout so you don't get one that's really flowing and in immediate need of rear main seal replacement, either. My Son's was weeping a tad when we got it and has been leaving a spot in the driveway since we brought it home, but it doesn't leak enough to seem like it's really using much oil and hasn't gotten any worse either. I think that's about as good as you can expect on one of these old 4.0's, unless the previous owner has recently replaced the seal, that is.
Carry a spare CPS with you if you regularly venture far from pavement.
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Leonard
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posted August 15, 2011 03:38 PM
That ^ there is some damned good advice.
My '74Dodge W100 ½ ton Power Wagon has had a small quarter size leak at the rear main for about 200,000 miles. I never thought it was worth fixing.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted August 15, 2011 06:50 PM
Thanks to all of you guys.Your replys wer all good and will help me out.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted August 17, 2011 12:18 PM
DAA ,thank you for your info and ideas. There are two 1992's here in Vegas with a tow package that look like they might have been moms.There are a few others that are a few late 90's and a 2000 are two.I still have time to look around I don't have to buy one as if I were under the gun.
It took me a minute to figure out what the CPS was but found out on YouTube.
Not sure about the vacuum disconnect. But my guess is that if a hose comes lose a guy might not get in or out of 4x4 drive. Just seams I read that some place be for is all.
Edit to say I had one of those 1980 AMC Eagle Wagons it had one of the in line 6 CY L's. It was meant to work on a vacuum line or lines. It never went in to 4x4 while I had it. I bought it off a guy for 450 bucks drove that thing for over two years.I would drive it to a road job in King man Arizona up old route 68 over the pass the thing never let me down.I even bought a spare one for 150 bucks. And even that had some pay off because I had to use that transfer case and even the motor I can't say how long I drove around Bullhead City Arizona on that motor.
Sure that's a little crazy and would never hack it here in vegas or most city's or even states. But that was back in the mid 90's and was handy for me.
Now for any one who might be young an might want to try that,I just have to say take a pass on it.Other than the few months I was on that Job in King man Arizona I was never more than say ten miles from home.This was just a beater and was only my fishing rig.I will never know the miles any of those two motors had on them or the miles I put on them.Like I said this is some thing you might could pull off in a small town but I would never say go for it to any one.
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Aznative
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posted August 21, 2011 08:43 AM
As a mechanic I wouldn't have a cherokee. An older CJ maybe, but I hate working on jeep cherokees. They are a real PITA IMHO.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted August 21, 2011 10:10 AM
Aznative,I think I get your point and thanks for your thoughts. While I think DAA is a Jeep fan I still got alot from his views.
Aznative do you think Cherokees just plain suck? Are just that they are hard to work on or hard to fix.
I would not rate my self as a good shade tree mechanic but I have had to get some real beaters up and going over the years.I can pull and replace a motor. pull and replace a clutch and most of the small things.
But when a pro like your self say the Cherokee is tuff to work on it does make a guy have second thoughts.
There are a few Toyota 4Runners around.
I'm trying to keep an open mind. I'm still looking a round and time is on my side.
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Leonard
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posted August 21, 2011 10:45 AM
I can't say that I have ever worked on a Cherokee, but if AZ means like working on a damned Ford, I understand. At least to me, it seems that getting at something specific on a Ford involves a lot of disassembly just to get a look at the part you think is having a problem. Yeah, I know that applies to most newer vehicles these days, I seem to notice it on Fords, in spades.
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Aznative
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posted August 21, 2011 11:07 AM
I worked as an independent mechanic for about 8 years when I was very young. Then I worked for a high school fleet for 21 years as a mechanic and spent the last five years out of the trade running all of the skilled trades for that large school district. I didn't see any Cherokees during my 26 years at the school district. I'm retired from there and work out a large shop I have behind my house on anything American or Asain made. Because I don't work on cars 40 hours per week and because we had zero jeeps in the school district, my experience is limited to a couple of 2001 or 2002 cherokees. While working on these two, I spent a lot of time saying WTFTDTF or What The Fuck They Do That For. The one thing that jeep did is they control radiator cooling fan speed thru Pulse Width Modulation, a WTF thing. Every body else simply turns on the cooling fans at about 230 degrees and turns them off at around 210 degrees. Jeep had to duty cycle the cooling fan. I really believe in the KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid. When working on electrical issues, jeep hides relays in hell to get to places, another WTF thing, when most manufacturers put in a PDC, Power Distribution Center, where every fuse link and relay is in an easy to get to box. Lastly, Leonard: your are correct, Jeep does a lot of things like Ford that make them tough to fix. Dodge and Chevy have always been an easier fix than Ford, IMHO.
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posted August 21, 2011 11:14 AM
Fix Or Repair Daily We have that model in a 2004 version's.It's been Ok but it has had each one of the windows replaced the crank tends to break at 300 bucks a pop. I did not even try to fix any of the windows.I never was to good at that kind of thing.I do tend to think like this the electric Gizmos on any vehicle is just that much stuff that can break or short out and leave a person in a bind.
Our F150 is all we have right now and it is still about half way nice,and for the most part is is the wife's.I still drive it from time to time. But I just hate to drive it out in to the hills and put the extra miles and ware and tear on it is all. All you guys must know what I mean,but us out here in the west know it for sure.
So what I want is a man rig so I can take it out into the hills and do my thing. I my self have not been out to much in the last three years much at all. I'm at a place where I will have a little money to spend.
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posted August 21, 2011 11:30 AM
Leonard, I would like to add that the term Ford tough cuts two ways: they are a tough truck and they are tough to fix. I'm was a Dodge man, but no more with they way they run the parts department. If I was in the market for an American made truck I would probably go with chevy despite chevy having this highest fuel pump and water pump failure rate and the most expensive fuel pumps in the business. If they would simply improve the fuel pumps in the cars and trucks, they would greatly improve their reliability. The number one reason to buy a chevy is they still haven't gone with overhead cams. They still use the old fashion push rod engine which is very cheap and easy to repair when they do break down. Overhead cams make an enine a whole lot more complicated and expensive to rebuild when head work is involved. Just to remove and reinstall the heads on these newer trucks may take 20-25 labor hours. I just had in a 4 cylinder infinity that pays 15 hours to take off just one head. I stay away from that type of work due to my old back.
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Leonard
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posted August 21, 2011 12:16 PM
I hear ya on the Chevy fuel pumps. I had a problem that I traced to a fuel issue, thinking it was a clogged fuel filter so I did the test to see how much gas I could get out of the fuel pump in whatever the time was? Turned out to be the pump itself. This was on a 83 Suburban and after looking at it very closely, screw it, I took it to the dealer.
For our Nevada friend, I'd look for a low mileage Toyota, even though I have never owned one and favor Nissan, but they seem to run strong with little to no maintenance.
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posted September 26, 2011 11:35 AM
Guy's I'm still on the hunt for some wheels and it's dam hard to find any thing.
I have had two bought out from under me or I should just say someone beat be to them. For the most part there all to good to be true or the sale rs thinks they have something made out of gold.And most of these guys are a head case and you cant even talk to them.My guess is 98% of the rigs I look at or way over KBB.
LB There is one Nissan 4x4 I might can get It's a 2001.
And thanks for the replys.
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