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Kelly Jackson
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posted July 09, 2010 07:53 PM
Playin with a 243WSSM upper and was wondering how this bullet performed on coyotes.
LB – think I remember you saying you did not like them and that Cal did.
Did you not get the bullet to expand or what were the shortcomings?
Thanks
Kelly
[ July 09, 2010, 09:07 PM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
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Leonard
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posted July 09, 2010 11:45 PM
Don't have really much to document? I tested quite a few different bullets for that gun. The 68 Berger was the best, accuracy wise, by quite a bit. This was the target point though, not the large diameter HP that Cal and Tim Behle were using.
The first time I took it hunting, I lost ten coyotes. Obvious that all of them were hit. Ranges were a little less and a little more than 100 yards and it was at night. I mean, flopping around and running off and at night this is not what you want. Didn't recover a single one.
Well, maybe it was a fluke, but I never used that load again. I can't believe I made that many bad hits, in a row? None were moving, I think most were facing?
And, considering we are talking about a hard headed polack, I had another gun with me and it took that long to get the message. Good thing it wasn't a Club Hunt.
That's all I can tell ya?
Good hunting. LB
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posted July 10, 2010 10:07 AM
Actually, in their infinite wisdom, Berger quit making the 68 grain MEF which was the bullet I really liked. They still make a 68 match and I have killed numerous coyotes with it, but it's just not the same. They do however now make a 66 and 69 grain varmint and they perform similar to the old 68. I am shooting the 66 in my 6x47 Lapua at about 3800 with spectacular results. By spectacular I mean that there is no danger of wanting to skin one. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted July 10, 2010 01:01 PM
I can guess why Berger displayed infinite wisdom in discontinuing the 68MEF.
Dies don't last forever. As with my favorite 65 grain .224", they broke the die and in recreating it, it was not exactly the same, tipping the scales at 64 grains, which was considered close enough. But, again, it has proved to be not quite the same bullet, performance wise, on paper, through the screens and terminally. Or, it could be just my imagination? Fortunately, there are others.
If a bullet fails to impress right away, there is no sense in tinkering with it further. This is almost always a waste of time, expense and energy. A good bullet on paper does not automatically make a good coyote bullet, I proved that to my satisfaction a long time ago.
Good hunting. LB
edit: The yardstick I use in determining a good coyote bullet is always, does it KILL THE DAMNED COYOTE! Minimal damage bullets are usually not reliable killers of coyotes. My opinion. What you think, all you 17 affectionados?
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posted July 10, 2010 03:35 PM
"What you think, all you 17 affectionados?"
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The only .17 I ever owned was a Daisy. This was back in the 1940's, and they had not yet installed a safety that would prevent the lever from slamming shut on your fingers. I was using the lever for a rest while I took careful aim from nice steady "prone" position. I slowly squeezed the trigger------WHANG!!!! Four black fingers and one heck of an ouchey. The .17 ain't big enough for coyotes, but does a dandy job on a kid's fingers.
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DanS
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posted July 10, 2010 04:26 PM
quote:
"What you think, all you 17 affectionados?"
Well as you know, LB, I am a fan of the 17 Rem. I have killed a few with it. I'll probably never rack up the numbers some you guys have, but I still have fun. I'll maintain a few 17's but will use bigger land canons now and again. The last time I used the 17 Rem, I had really bad luck with it, and had runners, like nothing I have ever seen before. Thinking I got a bad batch of Berger bullets, put it down and grabbed my favorite CZ in 204 and zero problems.
Talking to Shaw and a few others, Dan C. put together a 22-250AI for me, so it will get some use this fall. I almost went to the 6 WOA, but I already have a semi custom 6mm-250 that consistently shoots 75gr VMax's into tiny groups, so the 6mm is covered. Hell I have almost gone full circle now from a 243 to 17, back to 6mm.
Guess I'll get the needle and thread lined up if needed.
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Leonard
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posted July 11, 2010 12:06 AM
Have you thought much about twist for that 22-250AI? I think a lot of people go too fast and then use light bullets.
Good hunting. LB
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posted July 11, 2010 06:15 AM
What twist would you reccomend on a 22-250AI and which bullet?
AR Shaw surprised me with his bullet selection but then after I thought about it, I am reconsidering getting a fast twist.
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Andy L
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posted July 11, 2010 07:43 AM
I have a question. Probably for Dan? But anyone that can answer chime in.
The smith that does work on my guns likes the 22-243AI a lot. We used to hunt together, long story as to why we dont anymore. Anyway, I am assuming this has a larger capacity than the 22-250AI? Is there any andvantage or disadvantage to one over the other or are the pretty close?
I know this much, I have watched him make some pretty incredible shots with that rifle. Shots I would never have taken even if I had the gun, so they are capable of a lot.
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posted July 11, 2010 07:49 AM
Also, Dan S, why are you turning your back on the little guns? Especially the 204? And since you are, you have to have an incredible amount of guns, bullets, small primers, powder, cases and a whoe assortment of shit that you would let to go a fellow MO brother at a ridiculously low price. I mean a price that would make folks shake their heads and mumble to each other for decades when it was brought up.
So, when you come up with the list and price, let me know please. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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DanS
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posted July 11, 2010 09:11 AM
LOL Andy,
The deal heard around the world. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
You have already missed out on most of the deals. One guy in the Phoenix/Mesa area already got about 3000 Rem 7 1/2primers from me when you couldn't find the dern things. I have sold over 1 1/2 dozen rifles in the last year or so. I didn't need 4- 223AI's, 6-17 cals, 5-20 cals, 3-243's, 4-270's etc... Like I told Vic, I'd rather have quality over quantity. Plus being a poor, uneducated hick in backwater Missouri, the money does help me maintain part-time residency in AZ.
I think the 22-243 is called the 22 Middlestad or something like that. Lots of powder, flat shooting, short barrel life would be my guess. I'd probably never wear one out. In reality, the 22-250 is most likely capable of longer shots than I am, so I went with the 22-250 Ackley with a 1-12 twist and will be using Nosler 55 BT's. I like the Sierra 55 SBT's also. Hope I didn't goof up.
LB, I did think long and hard on the twist and what bullet I would be shooting. Plus I still have a 1-9 twist Shilen 223AI that loves 75 gr AMax bullets for cheap shooting at long range goofing around.
Andy, I still like my little CZ 204 though. It is one of my favorites.
Someday, I'll actually get to shoot prairie dogs, chucks, and such. I'll need the needle guns for those critters.
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Andy L
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posted July 11, 2010 09:53 AM
Well hell, Ill drag my 243 and 25-06AI back out. If thats the way everyone is going, I dont wanna be left behind. Actually, the 25 dont do a bad job if you use Nosler Partition 100 gr bullets. You can still skin em without too much damage. The 75 gr VMax out of the same gun kills em dead as hell. And as Cal says, there is no danger in wanting to skin one.
I think I will just stick to my 204. Im an amatuer that isnt doing ADC or contests. I do like to pile up a little fur and get a check just for nostalgia more than anything else. And, as JH would say, here is a blast from the past, if I was holdin one of those cannons like yall are shootin and a pretty cat comes to the call, I would puke on my boots. LOL
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DanS
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posted July 11, 2010 10:33 AM
Andy, I'll still use my little 17 Rem out west sometimes, just going to use some others too. I like the bigger rifles for MO hunting better though.
Want to buy a rifle?
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Kelly Jackson
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posted July 11, 2010 10:59 AM
thx Guys. Will be staying with the 75gr Vmax.
I know what it does on coyotes. Not that I will use this thing much.
Stay after them
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posted July 11, 2010 11:03 AM
Kelly,
What does the 75 VMax do to coyotes, make a really big ugly spot, or can it be fur friendly sorta? I've only used the 85gr HPBT in my 243.
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posted July 11, 2010 11:07 AM
Kelly, the 70 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip deserves a look.
Dans, I think you made a good choice. For a former gun collector. How many 223s was that, you said?
Good hunting. LB
edit: that's funny! Fur friendly VMax!
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posted July 11, 2010 11:23 AM
LB, Your going to start laughing, but I've sold/traded (added that for Vic) over say the last 2-3 years in 223's;
AR15s, Vanguards, Rem 700's, CZ's, a couple 222's and a Hornet.
I should get a FFL again.
If I find a deal, sometimes I'll lay down the money and take it home.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted July 11, 2010 11:24 AM
Dan - out of the 6WOA running 3100 it is not too bad haf the time, but those 2nd coytoes that just give you a ass shot do not get away.
Not my choice for collecting fur. I use the 204 for that.
The 75gr at 243 vel. is nasty.
LB - I got the 70gr NBT they are my 2nd choice in this barrel right now.
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posted July 13, 2010 03:30 PM
Kelly,
I shot the 68 berger last year out of my 6-06AI. I shot only maybe 15-20 coyotes but I was impressed with it's performance. I don't remember having any runners.
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Kelly Jackson
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posted July 13, 2010 03:56 PM
Thanks J.
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posted July 14, 2010 07:13 AM
Well I seem to have had pretty good luck so far shooting the 30 grain Kindler Gold Hollowpoints with my .17 Tactical. Most Coyotes have dropped like a rock. Even out past 200 yards.So far it's proven itself to be a consistant coyote killer.
I've even Killed a few with the 27 grain Kindlers,and they seem to kill just as well.Maybe I've just been lucky. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Good Hunting Chad
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Leonard
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posted July 14, 2010 08:21 AM
So Chad. Are you confident enough in the 17Predator to use it at night? Please don't rock my world with the wrong answer!
Good hunting. LB
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posted July 14, 2010 08:30 AM
My .17 Experience has been strictly day calling. But to answer your question, I wouldn't use it for night calling.
Speaking of a night calling Rig,I need to rebarrel a Remington 700 and I'm thinking of one of the following:.22-250 Ackley Improved,.22-243 Middlestead,.20-250,or.20x47 Lapua. Any Thoughts?
Good Hunting Chad
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posted July 14, 2010 08:45 AM
Ive never night hunted enough to make a determination. However, if its that much harder, would a 50 BMG be out of the question?
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posted July 14, 2010 08:59 AM
Well Andy one things for sure you probably wouldn't have to track many of them with a poor hit. lol
Good Hunting Chad
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