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Topic: Nailed a coyote w/ a 9mm airgun..
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Fur-n-dirt
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posted June 18, 2013 08:40 PM
I love my Baikal MP94 which is a 223 / 12 over & under. Perfect coyote gun for the Tucson desert..
However, I've been searching for an alternate that is quieter and I can leave in my truck during business hours (can't store firearms).
I got an Evanix Rainstorm II airgun in 9mm. Shoots a ~80 grain bullet at 850 fps.
I nailed a coyote this morning w/ it! Worked very well.
Check out the video.Click on link.
http://s258.photobucket.com/user/bginvestor/media/Hunting/IMG_0259_zpsa16c5787.mp4.html
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posted June 19, 2013 04:30 AM
Fur n d,
I'm glad for you I guess, and with out trying to come off as an ass, I'm going to be the first to say that I think that is an inadequate weapon for coyote hunting.
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4949shooter
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posted June 19, 2013 04:32 AM
Nice gun.
But I gotta tell ya, that was one heck of a weird opening line.
Edit: Yes, after reading Cal's post, I was thinking that gone would not be enough for northern coyotes.
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posted June 19, 2013 06:48 AM
Way to nerd it up, huh? No time for double takes, I had to get to work!
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posted June 19, 2013 08:05 AM
Cal,et. al
Many believe that Hydro-static shock is one of the important factors in incapacitating animals. However, this airgun is not expected to produce hydrostatic shock, the velocity is sub-sonic, so a well-placed shot in the vitals is required and to allow the animal to bleed out.. sorta like archery..
I have over ten years experience in archery and I believe the "lethality" of this airgun is on par with archery. Cutting diameter is hands down better with a broadhead, but placement of the ~80 bullet is superior. I shot a 1" diameter 7 shot group at 50 yards with this airgun out of the box!
To summarize, its no suprise that the animal needs a few seconds to bleed out.
Its amazing how far airguns have come. Its fun shooting a "shrouded" airgun and its pretty powerful.
Is this airgun on the light , medium, or heavy side? Its absolutely on the light side. No arguing there.
This airgun is just one of the tools under the tool belt. Its legal, its fun, and its effective.
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posted June 19, 2013 09:25 AM
I know that `pellet guns` have come a hell of a long ways, but I suspect that your 'unrecoverable' numbers will soon be on the rise. Unless you have snow, tracking coyotes is a chore and often a thankless one.
I think that I would have chosen a crossbow with some huge mechanical broadheads, instead.
But......... I'd love to see the thing. If you're coming to the trapping convention in July, please bring it along.
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Cdog911
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posted June 19, 2013 12:17 PM
Several years ago, I was approached by Crosman to field test an adult air gun so they could get a recorded coyote kill using one. Like the majority of guys, I politely declined because I just couldn't see a pellet gun taking down an animal as tough as a coyote.
Fast forward to this last summer. I was rounding up sponsors for the KPC and contacted Crosman to see if they would care to make a donation. They sent me two Crosman Benjamin Marauders in .25 caliber, pre-charged pneumatic airguns in late November - one for the hunt and one for me to keep and use. I made up my mind to be open minded and objective. And, here's what I discovered.
First, air guns have been used since before the Revolutionary War. Very expensive and rare, but they did exist back then. In the US, they've gained new energy because of the threats to firearms, which they are not, as far as the law goes. Several states have passed new laws or are considering new laws that expand their use in hunting. In some states, they are quite popular on smaller deer, and even hogs (that tells you something).
Ise t this Marauder up with the overkill scope they provided and began looking at options to charge the air cylinder. In appearance, for those who haven't seen one, it looks like a big 10-ga shotgun with an extended magazine tube. That tube is the pneumatic tank where the air is stored. The gun is charged using either the "bike tire pump on crack" provided, or you can use a cascade system like those used to fill SCBA and SCUBA tanks. I naively thought a guy would be able to just carry an air bubble until I realized that the cylinder is fully charged at 3,000 psi, which is roughly 275 pumps on that bike pump, the last fifty of which are a bitch 'cause that pump is fighting back. LOL
After fulling pumping it up and getting a night's rest to settle the shakes from all that work, I set out the next day to sight it in. I had been told not to consider a shot on coyotes beyond 30 yards and shoot for the head.
Alright.
This gun shoots a .25 inch diameter lead, round nosed pellet that looks like the common .177 pellets we all used as kids. The gun is fed by an 8-round cylindrical magazine that locks into place in the opening behind the breech and the back of the action where the bolt is housed. The safety is a lever in front of the trigger that, when moved forward, allows the gun to fire.
This particular air gun is shrouded with an ultraquiet barrel. Basically, the air is all contained upon discharge within the shroud surrounding the barrel.
I was able to group a nickel-sized group of six at 30 yards with no trouble. As for the loudness of the gun, you hear a tap and a "sproing" as the spring mechanism lets loose. The spring noise is louder than the report, and the report is maybe as loud as dropping a BIC lighter on my wooden deck from standing height - VERY quiet.
By the time I had it set up, our year had gotten to the point that I didn't want to commit a lot of time trying to get paranoid coyotes to spitting distance, so I limited it to coon calling. At 30 yards, I took two coons from the same den tree. The first one climbed out and cleared the hole. Number two was part way out when I shot number one in the head. It fell and number two continued to come out, failing to offer and reaction at all to the shot. Once it cleared the hole, I cycled a new pellet in and shot it, too. Both in the head. Both hit the ground and did not move. Both had entry wounds and same-sized exit wounds, through both sides of their skulls at 30 yards.
Impressed, I went home and got out some stuff to shoot at. At fifty yards, I was able to bump soda cans nearly every time. At 20 yards, I was able to shoot completely through a 2x4 stud. My guess is that the average person, not listening for a gun shot, would not notice this gun discharging from fifteen yards away. Truly a stealth killer that will prove useful in near-town hunts for up to coyote-sized targets.
I've had to eradicate a few cottontails that were grazing my garden and have whacked them through the heads at up to fifty yards. And I've taken larger "game" (~15 pounds) at 70, but can't tell about that until the statute of limitations runs out.
Will it work on coyotes? With a head shot, I won't be surprised. Body shot, I won't attempt because of the possibility of not having a blood trail to follow due to the absence of hydrostatic shock.
Bobcats or foxes? hell yeah, this gun will do that easily.
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posted June 19, 2013 02:25 PM
Thanks for the reply.. seems you've had some good experiences w/ airguns..
That's a great point for bobcats. This airgun would be very fur friendly.
I sold a bobcat pelt that came out of Tucson for almost $1000 this year. Absolutely amazing. You bet I'll be going after them later this year.
I'll post more thoughts later..
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posted June 19, 2013 02:32 PM
I understand that it is possible to kill a coyote with one. And it's legal and all that. I'm not going to attempt in any way to try to argue either point. Lance has a good grasp of what they are capable of and says he will limit himself to head shots at 30 yards. Good enough. That's not going to present many opportunities in my neck of the woods. As for comparing your pellet to archery hunting, it's not even close. Unless you archery hunt with a field point. Then I could see the similarity. I was just voicing a personal opinion and don't care what anyone uses, but if you go post somewhere that a 17 mach2 is an awesome coyote round, most knowledgable coyote hunters would disagree. But it fits right in with shooting them with a pellet gun. If you limit your range and choice of shots the Mach 2 is awesome.
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posted June 19, 2013 05:59 PM
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Way to nerd it up, huh? No time for double takes, I had to get to work!
Nahh....all in good fun.
Welcome to the forum.
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Cdog911
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posted June 19, 2013 07:00 PM
Cal, in all honesty, I can't see any application for this gun in your country, for a litany of reasons. Further east and south where cover and population densities create restrictions as to what can and cannot be used, this is an option. In my area, I have unlimited opportunities to go into riparian areas where coyotes will be within five to ten yards of me as they come through the trees. At those distances, I'm comfortable with this gun at 900 fps doing the job if I can get into its brain. A lung shot? I wouldn't take it because of the absence of collateral damage along the wound track caused by hydrostatic shock. I admit that the video shows an impressive performance for a .357 diameter projectile and am guessing, from the location of the wounds, that he got the aorta going through. Looks to be aft of the diaphragm. Any shot that will break the vacuum in the thorax will ultimately put any coyote down when its lungs collapse, but you sure won't have much of a blood trail, if any.
As he and I both pointed out, pretty much all the states that have provided for their use have looked long and hard at the data as far as foot pounds, etc., before passing new regs for their use. Kansas hasn't addressed it yet so they haven't been approved for any hunting here,... yet. First thing I did was call my local Conservation Officer and discuss it with him and he felt that the absence of regs on these was simply a matter of the commission not yet catching up to current technology.
Would it work as a self-defense weapon in a pinch if they took all my firearms away? Mine will go through the flat side of a 2X4 at ten yards so I imagine it would hurt like hell across the distance of my front room if it was all I had to use at the time. Pneumatic or fire powered, these things are still effective as guns. I was a doubter like you until I actually saw this one in use. What's importance is that the user know its limitations, as is the case with any gun.
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posted June 19, 2013 08:10 PM
Cdog,
I tried a Crosman Rogue, its also a .357. That gun was pretty interesting, I was shooting a 190 grain flat points at 670 fps. Kinda of neat to see the bullet hit the target. Hit hard! Unfortunately, I had some problems and I returned it.. Bought the Evanix Rainstorm II instead. They've been making them in .22 and .25 for awhile, but recently introduced a 9mm. I get 7 shots from 2900 to 2100 psi, than its back to pumping or tank!
After talking with several airgun hunters , the concensus seems to be .25 calibers are best with head shots up to 40 to 50 yards.. For body shots, .357, .45, and .50 are being used 75 yards and below. This is in regards to coyotes. I've decided to do some real testing to determine if it works for me.
I was seriously considering a cross bow. Major draw backs were its a one shot deal and estimating yardage becomes an issue past 40 yards. These airguns are really, really accurate.. People get MOA performance..
I will setup stands to bring coyotes within 25 to 75 yards. Most of my kills have been with the shotgun, so this sorta of compliments my style.
Here's another pic of the gun. Love the stock.
Take care.
[IMG]http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh270/bginvestor/Rogue/IMG_02511_zps2a0705c4.jpg [/IMG]
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posted June 22, 2013 12:33 PM
I have a Maurader 25cal and I would also say that it is very effective on coyotes at 30 yards. It is a very accurate shooter but a headshot at 30 yards is tough for me. You essentually have only the upper half otherwise you're into jaw area. That makes for a small target with little room for error. The pellet impact is louder than the report. And YES, it is a cardio workout with a hand pump.
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posted June 22, 2013 03:06 PM
30 yds,40 yds., oops 50 yds. anyone shooting a coyote or any other creature larger than a rabbit should be kicked in the nutz not once but twice....
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Cdog911
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posted June 22, 2013 03:18 PM
Quite the opposite, tim. If you can't call a coyote to within 30 yards of you, you need a different hobby. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean you should attack those who can.
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posted June 22, 2013 03:40 PM
Why would I? Your starting to sound like a P.M. baby sitter or leg humper. LOL Good chance of them getting behind something or getting down wind and bug out..
Not attacking anyone just pointing out how stupid it is to try..
I put down over 60 coon last season with a fauking 22-mag. at 30 yds. or less and not everyone was a DRT and required a follow up shot. (more than half) What makes you think a air gun is going to be any better on something as big as a coyote.. So what's the load time on a air gun for a follow up shot? And if the wounded animal moved out of the 30 yd. kill circle then what?
Just add it to the 17 HMR group and use it for what it was meant for rats, rabbits, and gophers.
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posted June 22, 2013 03:55 PM
Timmy! If you haven't worked with high power airguns, your opinions have little weight... w/ me at least
These things have really surprised me!
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posted June 22, 2013 05:27 PM
WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS?
Put me down as neutral, <smirk> but unless you are hunting in a city park, I question the motivation? Maybe it's a case where you want to say: I have done it? A challenge? Otherwise, it's exactly like reinventing the wheel.
Please forgive me; I sorta think like Tim, on this issue....especially running after a (out of range) cripple while pumping it up for a follow up shot.
Again, why even try this? Might you be restricted from owning firearms? Do you live in England?
People all the time make decisions, 20 gauge for partridge, rimfires for squirrels, 338Mag for elk, 40M&P for self defense. Why would you want to pursue such a worthy animal as a coyote, with something that is completely inadequate beyond 30 yards?
I mean, go ahead, no law against it. Is it a brilliant idea? In my opinion, it's borderline stupid, but, (of course) I am not judging you.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS tell it like it is, Cal!
edit: I acknowledge; my opinion carries little weight, same as TA. But, it's MY opinion.
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TA17Rem
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posted June 22, 2013 05:34 PM
Could care less and don't have plans to try and change your mind as its already made up but perhaps I can help steer some of the unknowing away from even thinking about it.. ( Cal don't do it.)
Yeah I have a few air rifles, whoopy doo.. What's to know or not know about one.. The vel. it puts out is close to that of a 22 l.r. or a single pellet from a shotty of which I don't use either one on coyotes....
The thing about the guys using air rifles or even the long range shooters is they only tell you about the one's they got but never speak of the one's they messed up on and I know dam well it happens.
Edit to add: I didn't notice it right away but see you killed two coyotes with one, so now that makes you a expert...
Probably just another salesman Leonard or some pro-staffer...LOL
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posted June 22, 2013 06:30 PM
Actually, Leonard, these airguns carry a 3,000 psi charge which gives you ~26 full-power shots before you have to recharge, which for me is when the gauge on the lower side of the stock shows an onboard pressure of 1,000 psi or less. No pumping up for the next shot. The guns are bolt action and mine uses an 8-round magazine, meaning I can get eight shots off just as quickly as I can reload my .22-250 by cycling the bolt.
Couldn't disagree more, tim. Sure didn't take you long to forget what happened last time you took this tone with folks. Re: my sig line.
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posted June 22, 2013 06:35 PM
Well,... shit. I knew it was too good to last. ![[Frown]](frown.gif) I'm out.
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posted June 22, 2013 10:23 PM
I have never had an admin call me stupid before.. Hmmm..
Timmy, a 140 grain hollow point from this airgun could surely kick anyone in the nuts.. Ha ha
This is a PCP gun, it's charged to 3000 psi and provides a 7 shot string within 5 % velocity from start to finish. Repeats very fast.. No pumping. Lol
It can shoot hollow points , flat points, basically great hunting bullets. More testing is necessary, but I believe I can shoot up to 140 grains with good accuracy.
This is not your Mama's red rider..
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posted June 22, 2013 10:28 PM
WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS? ->. The main reason for me was to be able to store a weapon in my vehicle during working hours. My employer does not allow firearms..
So, I started searching, bows, cross bows, sling shots, whatever...
Turns out airguns have come a long way.. I am gaining a lot of respect for them and it wasn't til I got to see them in action...
The added bonus is being able to shot one that is very quiet..
Hope that helps..
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posted June 22, 2013 10:34 PM
Timmy, I am not an expert on airguns. Started working with them this year. And no, not trying to convince you old dogs or newbies..
This is an information thread / story thread.. Yes, I am excited about the results so far..
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posted June 23, 2013 08:03 AM
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I have never had an admin call me stupid before.. Hmmm..
Hmmm. Okay, you state your case; can't keep a firearm in vehicle, on company property, which is strange, in AZ since everybody is packing?
That's what pisses me off though. Most businesses allow CCW, and when they don't, you are forced to keep them in the vehicle. Taken a step further, where you can't even enter the company property, that's pretty Draconian.
So, how are they going to know? Is part of the employment contract that you submit to searches, or what?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: I said "borderline" stupid.
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