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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 14, 2024, 06:30 AM:
It's down to 27* this morning.
I DID NOT MOVE TO ARIZONZ FOR 27* mornings.
(and yes, I know Tim's laughing at our 'mild' weather)
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 14, 2024, 09:51 AM:
Koko stop crying its -8 here in northland.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 14, 2024, 11:26 AM:
The overnight low for the past week around here has been about 42* which is considered COLD for Southern The People's Republik. Supposed to get up to 60* today?
People think Arizona can't get cold. That's wrong, it can get pretty damned cold over there!
I remember one time we were on vacation, and decided to stop at my cousin's trailer in Mormon Lake. I knew where the key was under the porch. When we got there, the trailer, something like a 48 footer had (as I recall, something like 12 foot drifts piled up on the side with the door. Using pieces of board, we were able to gain entrance, but wore us out doing it. Mormon Lake is about 25 miles southeast of Flagstaff and about (I think?) 5,000ft. elevation. I don't remember the temperature but it was plenty cold. Since then, my cousin has no interest in the property, which has a couple of real cabins on it now, but her 2 girls own it since Billy past away.
Mormon Lake is beautiful country, I can always count on seeing at least a few elk and a few turkey's and the biggest javelina I ever saw was a road kill very close to town. You tend to think of javelina down south but they are now at the higher elevations like Prescott and Sedona and all over northern Arizona. Except the Navajo, I never saw one on the reservation.
I've froze my ass off in Arizona many times!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on January 15, 2024, 04:47 AM:
Warm this morning -8
Yesterday morning -11
3 or so days ago -10
We hit 15* yesterday sometime. I don't believe it. Got the tractor running to plow and just about froze my hands off with down gloves on. My marten hat paid for itself kept the head and ears toasty.
Posted by www (Member # 3918) on January 15, 2024, 07:01 AM:
-39 yesterday morning
-6 for high temp.
A BALMY -23 THIS MORNING. FORTUNATELY NOT MUCH WIND.
Wild and wonderful Northeast Wyoming
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 15, 2024, 07:33 AM:
-39* ....... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
That's somewhere between 'colder than a Mother-In-Law's kiss' and 'cold enough to freeze whiskey'.
I couldn't live like that.
Aren't you folks 'up there' all required to wear those Elmer Fudd Stormy Kromer hats ???? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 15, 2024, 08:56 AM:
ko ko, don't laugh at a Stormy Kormer, I own one, myself!
A Martin hat! Now, that there is class! In Russia, high class is Sable. But, I'd take any of them, Fisher, Mink or Martin although I don't know if I could tell them apart?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit:
PS it's 51 degrees here, right now.
PPS Look, that deal up there in the North Woods of Minneesota is nothing to joke about. Nine fucking months of sub zero weather followed by the mosquito attacks in their brief summer, AND for some reason, they like it! Go figure?
[ January 15, 2024, 09:04 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 15, 2024, 09:21 AM:
Just in reviewing above comments, whoa! the man says "not much wind" in Wyoming?
I will never forget the 3 days I was snowbound in Rock Springs, every restaurant in town was out of food, even coffee and we were trapped with wind blown snow; it wasn't falling, it was just blowing, and building up in 10-15 foot drifts blocking the highway. I will never forget it! More than 50 years ago and I'm still telling that story to anyone who will listen.
It really does beg the question: why in hell do people enjoy living with brutal weather conditions? I'm in southern California, better known as The People's Republik and this is the best climate in the world. That's been proven. For some reason, this mild climate breeds idiots, or Liberals as some people refer to idiots. I don't get it? Nobody does?
We are cursed here for the pleasant climate. Victor crosses the border and he acts like he just crossed into North Korea. And he's not alone. Every damned relative of mine won't come to Kalifornia unless you hold a gun to their head or pay them. It's laughable, really. It's like they are tainted just by venturing across the river, or more probably, the folks back home will scorn them if they find out about it! I don't get it?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 15, 2024, 10:22 AM:
We have five seasons here counting indian summer. What's not to like. If it gets too hot here in July or August just go to one of the 10,000 lakes to cool off or sit under a shade tree. Mosquitos? Depends on where you go. Worked all summer in Eastern Min. just south of twin cities never seen a mosquito or at home for that matter. Can drive north and listen to wolves' howl at night or drive to southern part of state and listen to coyotes sing. Whats not to like?
You like to be around crowds and crazy ass people then drive to the twin cities you get your fill of them, if not just stay at home in rural areas and have little peace and quiet. Winter here sure we get some cold ass days and we also get those mild temp days around 25-31 degrees which is perfect for hunting or just being outside, you get use to it and adapt, no big whoop. One of my good friends lives on Iowa and Missouri border and runs dogs, he always says he would rather come here to run in snow than dry ground or dam mud as it changes all the time there. One week rain and next snow then back to mud and rain again, fuck that. You get caught in the rain you get all wet and soaked, get caught here in snow just brush it off. no big whoop. LOL
P.S. if you love to fish then nothing beats a week sitting on a frozen lake in a warm fish house watching T.V. and catching fish at same time. You lay in bed sleeping and all of a sudden, the rattle real starts to rattle, there nothing like it.
Sitting on stand with ground covered in snow with a red fox or coyote coming into your calling, there nothing like it. Going out calling at night with a thermal and can see for over half mile and watch a coyote or fox approach and work the caller, there nothing like it.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 15, 2024, 11:06 AM:
Apparently, member has sustained a head injury. A shame!
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 15, 2024, 12:37 PM:
Koko? hope he gets better
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 15, 2024, 12:37 PM:
No ........ no !!!
Sounds like Paradise !!! Pass the word to all of the Californicators that are thinking about moving here to Az. that Mini-soda is the place to go.
![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 15, 2024, 02:29 PM:
Az would be a step up from Cali. As for Mn. our guns laws more relaxed no limits on what you can buy. Thermals, suppressors you name it and you don't have to load all your stuff in a boat and then have a accident on the lake. LOL
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 15, 2024, 03:18 PM:
Ok ............. Ya got me there.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 15, 2024, 04:54 PM:
He got you there because you got too many damned Kalifornia Liberals buying up all the property and influencing your elections.
If you don't know your neighbors, just wait 'til next year and they will be Kalifornia Liberals and because your guns make them nervous, they will make 'em illegal! Think, I mean chew on that little nugget!
Good hunting. El Bee
[ January 15, 2024, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by www (Member # 3918) on January 16, 2024, 06:44 AM:
Stormy Kromer hats are not a requirement. I much prefer the mad bomber style hat, better neck and ear coverage.
Being retired I don't venture out in this cold weather.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 16, 2024, 10:25 AM:
looks like trump owns Iowa, how about cali or az?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 16, 2024, 10:26 AM:
When I was a kid, just after WWII, it was common to see kids wearing a pilot helmet, they were leather, similar to a Mad Bomber. Quite trendy, back then, although I don't think the word "trendy" was invented, that long ago. Another fashion trend when I was a kid was Jodhpurs but we didn't call them that? At least I don't remember what we called them? ko ko, give me a little help here, you are older than you loo. Winter, we also wore a type of Scandinavian knit skullcap with a peak in front and side dangles. Popular with young boys, I never saw anybody else wear them? I always thought it was the Swedish influence, or more likely Finland.
They always called Minneesota "Little Sweden" and everybody was named Anderson, with a few Carlson's and Larson's lurking around. I think that's where the term, "Galoshes" comes from? And speed skates! The cool kids all had speed skates while I proudly wore Hockey skates. Tripping over speed skates could be dangerous. Ask me how I know? The icehouse had wood floors, of course, and a pot bellied stove with a pipe railing around it to prop your skates up on it 'cause your feet were frozen from being out skating all night.
You know all the parks had kind of dug out fields with sides or banks that were about a foot deep. Around like the first day of school, the fire department would open the fire hydrants and flood these sunken fields and by tomorrow you had a skating ring for all winter, or basically, all year round. Most parks had at least two sunken fields, with one devoted to a hockey rink. Back then, rock salt was king and car bodies would rust out before they were paid for. Ah yes, those were the days!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 16, 2024, 12:39 PM:
Now here's a story that gladdens my heart. Liberals are so desperate to fix the planet that they will grasp at any stray idea guaranteed to green a planet that doesn't need their pathetic attempts to cure the climate problem; you know, the one that doesn't exist.
Meanwhile, my doufus state has (of course) made EV's MANDATORY starting in a few years. That's Democrat bonehead solutions to everything, masks, immunizations, big rig trucks, all while banning gasoline engines. If it's worth doing; make it MANDATORY!
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/01/chicago_becomes_a_graveyard_littered_with_corpses_of_dead_robots.html
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 16, 2024, 01:31 PM:
today's ice fish house looks just like a RV camper. State of the art and has most anything you can think of and prices run from 30K and up. As for hats in Min. it depended on where you lived in the state and what heritage was living in that area. German, swedes, Norwegians, Danes, polish or Dutch ect. My area was a baseball type hat with ear flaps or just plain old stocking cap and hooded jacket. The stormy groupers I would see on the hunters way up north. Oh we had few Russians around they wore fur hat with peak or ridge running down center from front to back .
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 16, 2024, 02:34 PM:
30K for an ice shanty ???
When I was a kid I used to make them out of cardboard refrigerator boxes and duct tape for like ... nothing.
There's a goof-ball on one of the 'hunting programs' that wears one of those knit hats with the built in pig-tails. Just looks silly.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 16, 2024, 09:15 PM:
That's an ethnic thing ko ko. I'm pretty sure it's a Finland style but maybe Holland? Somewhere in Scandinavia, for sure. But, I don't know why? Maybe tie the dangles together? I hunted with a guy that wore one. He said it was the warmest cap/hat he has ever worn. That would be a legitimate reason, don't you agree?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: ko ko those ice shanties he speaks of are exactly like a travel trailer, in fact, they might even have wheels so they would be indistinguishable.
[ January 16, 2024, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 17, 2024, 04:43 AM:
It' 9 degrees outside right now at 7:30 Eastern.
I feel like I am back in Nevada. I can say one thing about TN and that's these people don't know how to drive in the snow. Took the wife to the airport to catch a plane to Vegas and what a fustercluck with 20 MPH cars and people spinning out. Only to drive back home and get a call to go back and pick her up because the airport shut down. Get to try again tomorrow if the place isn't shut down.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 17, 2024, 08:46 AM:
Yes Leonard they just like a camper. Few guys I work with use them on job to stay in at night to cut cost of staying at hotel. (tax write off) and then set it out on the lake after it freezes. (Dual purpose)
Best part of being on a frozen lake is at night when temp.s drop way down. As you lay awake in your bed and all of a sudden you hear the ice crack from far off and it gets closer and closer to your location and then goes past or under your icehouse and continues on and on, if goes under the house it jumps just a little to get you really excited. There nothing like it in the world and a real hoot to experience for first time or even a second time.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 17, 2024, 09:06 AM:
Come winter the men in my family and few friends would haul the icehouses up to the lake and leave them there all winter. We would drive up on Monday morning and then fish till fri. morning then go back home for weekend. This went on all winter.
On the slow days I would jump in my pickup and go call Redfox till dark then return back to the lake to prepare for the night run of fish, walleye mostly. We also had what I would call a smaller house would hook it up behind the ATV and pull it over to where the sunfish lurked and catch a bunch of them then take back to where we had the rest of the house, clean them up and then fry them for everyone to eat. There is a bait shop just down road from the lake you can go in there and just mention the Anderson name and heads will pick up and you will get a stare from those in there as it will be silent till the owner starts to speak. He then well starts to tell stories of us from years and years ago passed on by his father and grand father.
I took my wife there just before she died, and she walked up to the counter and asked for few bags of chips. The owner asks her what is her name? She tells him and the store falls silent, and a big smile comes on the owner's face and then he starts to ask her questions and then tell stories. Real big hoot for sure. The wife in meantime was overjoyed she didn't know the family was so well known up in those parts.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 17, 2024, 12:01 PM:
I remember coming home, (Minneapolis) from ice fishing somewhere, I was little, have no idea what lake? But anyway, my dad tossed the fish, mostly Crappies and what Minneesotians call "sunfish" but everybody else calls Bluegill or Brime; something like that? Anyway, they would come alive again and start flopping around. This made it a hell of a lot easier to gut and scale them, but I think he did it for my benefit, to WOW the whippersnapper.
There was a time when we saw a big bunch of discarded Christmas trees, out in the middle of Lake Hiawatha. Somebody had made a bonfire and there was a circle of trees that weren't burned. My buddy Darrell walked out on the ice just to check it out. Then, he broke through the weakened ice. So, I went out there and pulled him out. He would never have got out by himself. We walked back to my house and snuck into the basement and took our clothes off and were drying them on the furnace when my mom came down the stairs and caught us and we told her what happened. She got us some robes and then she went across the street to tell Darrell's mother what happened. She was a lot older than my mom and had a stroke that night and for some reason, they (across the street) blamed me for Darrell's bonehead stunt! I was a trouble causer or something and My buddy didn't do much to correct those assumptions. I saved his fucking life, is what happened, and actually, he was older and I was more a follower than instigator. I think we were like 11 and 12 at the time. Oh well, all part of growing up in the frozen northern state of Minn; but we were a lot like Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer and spent a good amount of time along the Mississippi river; frogs, toads, snakes, and lots of trash fish like carp and suckers, speared 'em, mostly. Mrs Paine would have croaked a lot sooner if she knew half of the shit we got in to, in those days.
Sorry for the ramble!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 17, 2024, 12:33 PM:
We used to carry a couple of gutter spikes (big long nails) on about 3 foot of cord around behind our necks. The idea being if you broke thru you could use the spikes to pull yourself to thicker ice and get out. Never saw anybody do it but it sounded good.
Tim probably knows more about that than I do.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 17, 2024, 01:27 PM:
we called them ice spikes or claws, kept one set in the truck incase truck went down. My dad had simple rule 4" for walking on 6"" for the older style fish houses and 12" or better for grouping up the houses on a hot spot with 2-3' for the trucks, but that usually stayed on shore as I had a ATV and buddy had a snow mobile with hitch on it so we good to go there. No close calls for all the years we fished. My dad would walk out on new ice with ice chisel and punch holes and then I measure the thickness and also check water dept as we went, was looking for that magic 17-18' feet.
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on January 18, 2024, 04:36 AM:
Growing up in SW Idaho ice was a hit or miss thing. We always wanted ice to go ice skating. One family always held the New Years eve ice skating party. Can remember one year we had ice and all the kid in the valley showed up to skate. Ice was good and we all understood how too much weight and ice went. I remember we all gathered in one spot for some reason and the ice started popping and cracking talk about everyone scattering. We'd have a big bonfire on shore and just had a nice fun time.
Nice memories.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 18, 2024, 11:52 AM:
I have a funny story. Me and my buddy Pat went up to Lake Sabrina high up above Bishop with a long iron digging tool. everybody has seen them, pointed, or wedged on one end and a mushroom shape on the other.
So we drove out on the lake, picked a spot that looked really fishy, there are Rainbow, Browns and a few Brookies in that lake.
So chopping and digging out the chipped ice for what seemed like over an hour. The ice n that lake was almost FIVE FOOT DEEP! Then as we broke through, we lost the digging bar and all that was left was a digging bar size hole and then it filled with slushy water, couldn't even get a line to sink, with what sinkers we had with us. Total bust!
I never saw ice that thick when I lived in Minneesota? The elevation up there was, I forget, over 6,000 feet and I seem to remember that it is more like 8,000. Just not sure about that and I haven't been up there in the winter for many years.
I've never had much luck ice fishing, but inside a cozy trailer with plenty of sofa's around the sides and a propane heater going, I think I might like it that way.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 18, 2024, 03:25 PM:
sounds about right Leonard the colder the better for making ice. 3' on avr. but did see one year ice was way more than that. My dad had to build an extension for the ice auger. The new houses have beds, bunks, couches, chairs, all the comforts of home. T.V. as well and some die hards installed big screen for stupid football. The down side to those big houses is you can't get on a lake at first ice and that's when bite is best, much slower after that.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 18, 2024, 03:30 PM:
They have houses up north you can rent for the day or week already set up on good spot, I think some of them will even pick you up at airport for a fee or just get rental. Gather abunch of buddies up and make a once in lifetime trip. its worth it.. P.S. try to dress so you fit in and don't wear the hats with ear flaps, but bomber hat be fine.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 18, 2024, 06:41 PM:
That's a good one! Fit in; in Minneesota! And, they all have a slight Swedish accent. They have been in this country since the Wilson Administration, and every generation since still talks like they just got off the boat, kind of a lilting brogue you can't put your finger on....yeah, by yimine! All caps have ear flaps
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 18, 2024, 09:40 PM:
Just put it this way Leonard you shoe up in sandals, flower shirts and shorts you won't fit in and will be treated differently. Farther north you go the more you hear the native Swedish accent. We have Mennonite's, Hutterite's ect. they all talk in Dutch or with a Dutch accent. We have a few colonies of them around, good hard workers and they know how to cook. Some areas you may come across some with German accent those people aren't normal. I don't think anyone at camp outs had a hard time understanding me. Paul was little funny he sounded like a Englishman. Major from Colorado he was ok but that Higgens fucken stuttered a lot or hesitant with his words, sometimes just wanted to kick him in ass and say spit it out man. As for you yep just a half and half cali/Mn. accent simple to understand. Tim B. sounded like he was from Missouri. Shaw had that Missouri, Iowa and Nebraska accent and would of sounded normal if he didn't have the Missouri part. Koko sounded pretty good but had a little hillbilly accent to him.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 19, 2024, 08:48 AM:
I admit, Higgins has a hesitation in his speech, I don't know what you would call it. But, ko ko, you might take him for english or something, I don't think upper Pacific coast has an identifiable accent but maybe? I think SoCal, includes me, have a bit of a lazy southern drawl. I've listened to my voice and I don't think I have an accent but I do sort of drawl or something? It's definitely cute and sophisticated. But TA talks Swedish, whether he knows it or not. That doesn't mean he is unintelligible, just that he talks a little funny.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 19, 2024, 10:32 AM:
Got a Gal here from Cali. she lived there most of her life. Think she lived in Van something, Van hyes. ?? She has strong accent but very easy to understand, it's just different. Maybe close to someone talking with half a cheese burger in there mouth.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 20, 2024, 10:08 AM:
Van independent? It's just a section of the San Fernando Valley, which is a suburb of Los Angeles. There are two (possibly more) "valley's" associated with Los Angeles. The San Fernando Valley is a bit west and on the east side is the San Gabriel Valley.
Each valley contains a number of independent incorporated cities, just random, maybe 2 dozen or so in each; like Hollywood and Pasadena. You would never know, traveling between cities, basically, it's wall to wall suburbia.
Now, beyond that you have things like Canyon Country, a bit north and beyond that is the Antelope Valley. On the east side, past West Covina is the Pomona Valley and it's more or less where I live. More than 50 years ago it was citrus orchards, now its wall to wall single family housing, not entirely, there are apartment buildings and scattered trailer parks. But even the Pomona Valley has quite a few cities with a population approaching 200,000. Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga and Pomona just to name a few. Upland is much smaller, in area and population about 75,000. maybe 9-10 square miles? We used to be the Lemon Capital and still, there are a lot of Lemon Trees, I had 3 Lemon trees pulled up when we dug the pool, but when they subdivided, they made an effort to keep as many trees on the lots as possible to give it an established look.
You know, some people like the coast and some don't. All along the coast is continuous housing, most very pricy. So from San Diego past Long Beach and Santa Barbara, it's all populated, no open land at all.
It's 400 miles to San Francisco and that's another urban sprawl, inland, Oakland and Berkley and Marin County across the Golden Gate Bridge.
What's a bit interesting is that "coastal California" is Liberal Democrat and inland trends Conservative. From time to time there have been attempts to divide the state into 2, 3 or 4 separate states. That should shake up a few Easterners.
Good hunting.
El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 20, 2024, 02:39 PM:
Or mayhap she's from Van Nuys ?????? A little burb in the Valley of San Fernando, man.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on January 20, 2024, 03:40 PM:
yes koko i think thats it.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 20, 2024, 05:55 PM:
Yeah! That's what I wrote but then spell check inserted "Independent" which was some other correction and I failed to proofread it.
But yes, it's still in the San Fernando Valley. Anybody remember San Fernando ? Was it Red Skelton?
Good hunting. El Bee
Red, Fred?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 20, 2024, 08:36 PM:
Two seagulls, Gertrude & Heathcliff ...........
Genius who could be great without going to the gutter. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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