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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 04, 2022, 08:24 PM:
 
I just checked and views are averaging about 1,400 a day for the first 4 days.

I realize that sometimes it seems like I'm talking to myself.

Message boards are dropping like flies and I blame FaceBook. FaceBook is what killed all the photo sharing sites.

I do not trust that little prick Zuckerberg and have never and will never join facebook.

So, what to do. Do we struggle on? By the way, Go Daddy site hosting is getting quite spendy and the domaine renewals aren't exactly cheep anymore either.

So, I have to think about it. Is it worth it? Does anybody give a fuck anymore?

Feel free to give an opinion, yea or nay.

Good hunting. El Bee

[ April 04, 2022, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 05, 2022, 02:35 AM:
 
Well, I for one would hate to see this place fold up.
The offer to 'pass the hat' is still good.
 
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on April 05, 2022, 03:16 AM:
 
Well I don't do Farceboo.

So if you need a little help would see what I could do.

I would miss this place greatly.
 
Posted by www (Member # 3918) on April 05, 2022, 06:00 AM:
 
I'll help out.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 05, 2022, 07:58 AM:
 
Please don't misunderstand the message. I could have had ads that would more than cover the costs associated with running this site a long time ago, but I personally saw the influence and control, and censorship at PMS by their sponsors. I thought it was rotten, the extent that management went to protect Foxpro at the expense of Minaska. I don't blame the advertisers then or now, it was Soviet style control of message just to control and protect a revenue source. I wanted no part of that and did things with Huntmasters differently based on what I had watched from the inside, over there. First, no backroom for plotting against any perceived enemies-private messaging. And then, NO STAR CHAMBER, a powerful and plotting group that actually cut me out of the leadership, while I was out of the country.

Anyway, I liked the idea of nobody to blame for mistakes and failures and the concept of: THE BUCK STOPS HERE. And, (fuck) do I get it in the ass often enough, but that's okay, I'm responsible for anything that happens, any decision is on me. Not for glory, there ain't any glory, but just to keep from deflections and fakes and misdirections and blaming somebody else. It's not particularly noble or revolutionary but it streamlines the accountability and another thing, policy stuff is very accessible, everything is public and I respond to concerns....I've got nothing else to do.

I get attacks practically daily; always have, anonymous always, and I expect more specifically because of this thread. As they say, the opposition never sleeps. What I have never understood is why do THEY BOTHER? Huntmasters is no threat to take over their cash cow and that's a big difference, they are in it for the money and in my case, it costs money to keep in the game.

So another thing is, I sure as hell do not have a lot of money, operations of the board is a significant expense and just to hear my head roar is not reason enough to continue. I like to think that maintaining communications is desirable within our little community, but if nobody cares and nobody participates, then why bother?

I appreciate the offers of assistance and I thank you but I can't change it. It's my responsibility to provide the platform for however the rest of you choose to use it. I enjoy the camaraderie and the ability to exchange ideas with like minded conservatives.

I'd be sad if it comes down to closing the doors, but all good things must come to an end; they say? At least there are a few out there that check in once in a while, so I found out that much. I still can't get over the page views. There are people that check it out but satisfied, have nothing else to offer. Even if they just chime in with, "ya, me too" then at least I know I'm not talking to myself.

Good hunting. El Bee

[ April 05, 2022, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 05, 2022, 12:53 PM:
 
It didn't take long! Read it, and notice this guy is some kind of expert, knows my numbers are wrong and offers well intended advice. Don't try contacting him, he's a troll or something, afraid to show his real address, name, etc. Again, I don't know why it seems important that I close the site, he must be one of those that can't get a good night's sleep knowing that Huntmasters is still hanging in there. You know, I can't stand Joe Biden but I have yet to send him even one message telling him to quit what he's doing. But my faithful critics are very passionate, HM really, really bothers them. And, that's almost reason enough to keep plugging away. These assholes don't know how to deal with a stubborn Polack!

Good hunting. El Bee

Ving Larson lars89431@gmail.comHide
To nbosin@aol.com
LB, I'll bet those "counters" you're relying are false. There is no way in hell that you're being 'viewed' 1,400 times a day. Either:

GoDaddy is providing you a false count so that you re-up your contract or;

most of those 'hits' are actually bots (not real people).

Anyway, I think what's needed to be said and done on HM is already accomplished with no more room for growth. It's over.

You have no more service to provide and almost no members left to receive it. Basically, the only folks talking on HM is you and.....you.

Shut'er down, Amigo! That's my opinion

Ving
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 05, 2022, 12:53 PM:
 
It didn't take long! Read it, and notice this guy is some kind of expert, knows my numbers are wrong and offers well intended advice. Don't try contacting him, he's a troll or something, afraid to show his real address, name, etc. Again, I don't know why it seems important that I close the site, he must be one of those that can't get a good night's sleep knowing that Huntmasters is still hanging in there. You know, I can't stand Joe Biden but I have yet to send him even one message telling him to quit what he's doing. But my faithful critics are very passionate, HM really, really bothers them. And, that's almost reason enough to keep plugging away. These assholes don't know how to deal with a stubborn Polack!

Good hunting. El Bee

Ving, your knowledge is matched by your comprehension, pretty low. I consistently offer what I get in the way of information. It's not bots, Amigo, I said "page views" so why would I lie about it? All I have ever said is that we have a lot of "LURKERS" just like "Ving".

PS the information doesn't come from Go Daddy; wrong again!

Ving Larson lars89431@gmail.comHide
To nbosin@aol.com
LB, I'll bet those "counters" you're relying are false. There is no way in hell that you're being 'viewed' 1,400 times a day. Either:

GoDaddy is providing you a false count so that you re-up your contract or;

most of those 'hits' are actually bots (not real people).

Anyway, I think what's needed to be said and done on HM is already accomplished with no more room for growth. It's over.

You have no more service to provide and almost no members left to receive it. Basically, the only folks talking on HM is you and.....you.

Shut'er down, Amigo! That's my opinion

Ving

[ April 05, 2022, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 05, 2022, 01:43 PM:
 
Personally, I would keep the site open just to piss dick-licks like him off.

[Razz]
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 05, 2022, 07:31 PM:
 
EXACTLY!
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2022, 11:19 AM:
 
That fucking dog pulled on her cable leash while I was stepping over it! Damn an I hurting! both hands, both knees and one elbow. My right ankle hurt s like a bitch! I took a pain pill 10/325 hydrocodone and has not helped. I'M in A LOT OF PAIN! I tried to lay down but I hurt so much I can't even lay still. I'm back with the cane, my ankle is really fucked up! But, fortunately, my new glasses are unscathed and my phone's ok!

edit: that's my third fall. second worst. Worst, I broke 5 ribs while cutting palm tree fronds. Second, fell and tripped in the lava, snagged a pail full of rocks and fell down the fucking hill. Could have been A LOT WORST! This one is hard to evaluate at the moment....

edit: and I am usually so careful with her leash, step ON IT, not over it. She stretched it at the EXACT RIGHT TIME TO SET ME FLYING!

[ April 06, 2022, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 06, 2022, 12:02 PM:
 
So ...............
You provide her food, housing, entertainment & medical and she repays you by trying to kill you.
Have considered that your dog is a Democrat ???

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2022, 12:46 PM:
 
She didn’t seem very concerned. I finally decided to come down to emergency when I got a look at my knee! I don’t know which hurts worse, the ankle or the knee?

Right now I’m waiting on. XRay
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2022, 12:48 PM:
 
Right now there’s only about 20 ahead of me. I bet I’m out of here before midnight
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2022, 01:29 PM:
 
She probably is a Democrat! No job, dependent on me for everything, even opening the door. Doesn’t know the meaning of money. Has never done an honest days work in her life.
 
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 06, 2022, 01:43 PM:
 
For Gawd's sake don't tell them that a dog was involved. They'll classify her as aggressive, and the red tape will never end.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2022, 05:18 PM:
 
I feel a lot better but I also think I probably need to go back. I think I broke my fucking foot! It's swollen and real tender and I can't put any weight on it. Kaiser called and asked what's going on. I just said I was so uncomfortable and I told them within minutes of arriving that I needed help to go to the bathroom. 2+ hours and nobody come up and offered to push me to the men's room. I figured, hey if it gets worse or doesn't get better, I can go back. It's not getting better and I'm thinking about going back.

The left knee is the one with the surgery, knee replacement and I could easily have busted something in there, some hardware or something? Lot's of swelling and it's all black and blue. But it doesn't hurt like my foot does! Right in the middle above the instep on the big toe side there is a little dent in the skin that wasn't there before. Fuck, I might have to go back!

GH, EB
 
Posted by www (Member # 3918) on April 07, 2022, 05:47 AM:
 
''Right now there’s only about 20 ahead of me. I bet I’m out of here before midnight''

So glad I don't have to put up with California hospitals any longer.
Sorry to hear about your accident.

[ April 07, 2022, 05:49 AM: Message edited by: www ]
 
Posted by Semp (Member # 3074) on April 07, 2022, 11:43 AM:
 
Sorry to hear about your accident. Getting old ain't for sissies, as they say.

As far as the board, I'd hate to see its demise but I only sign in from time to time. Most of the time I'm a "page view" in that I don't sign in but just read and move on.

Like others that have offered, I would be happy to kick in a couple of bucks to help keep the lights on. But if you decide to close I can understand that too. Hope you heal up soon!
 
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on April 07, 2022, 05:23 PM:
 
I just don't see what motive some little pissant has in wanting HM to fold.
To paraphrase a famous quote...
The only thing he/she has over you is that he/she can kiss your ass and you can't.
 
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on April 08, 2022, 03:48 AM:
 
Spot on Jay.
I also check in just about every morning but don't log in unless I have something to mumble about or actually contribute to ...
Would hate to see this go as it is the only predator site I even check out anymore.
I'm getting old and my days feel like they may be numbered sometimes.
 
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 08, 2022, 05:42 AM:
 
Speaking of old ..............
Has anybody heard from Paul lately ???
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 08, 2022, 02:05 PM:
 
Yeah, Man! I'm worried about him! He's a good guy and we need him around here!

It would be nice to hear from you when you get a chance, Paul!

Jay's another one getting "Long in the Tooth" as some would say. Good hearing from ya!

And Walt has the right idea, but honestly, You have to miss the high, lonely Central Nevada? What is it, Austin is your closest town? I remember a flight where they have a navigation screen and where we are and what's below and this one time, a polar route, they said the navigational beacon was Austin, Nevada and I might have been the only one on that "wide Body" that had ever heard of it....much less, actually BEEN THERE! Austin is right on the Continental Divide. I suppose some places in town drain east and some west?

Good hunting. El Bee

[ April 08, 2022, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on April 09, 2022, 04:18 AM:
 
I've been to Austin NV. Several times. [Wink]
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 10, 2022, 09:41 AM:
 
Yeah, me too, mostly in the middle of the night to gas up. Night hunting in remote parts of Nevada, it's VERY important to know where all night gas is! I've had to wait for morning in places like Caliente and Gabbs for a station to open up. It's better now than it was, but you had still better know how much you got and where the next fillup is! And, I've had the local sheriff wake up a proprietor and open up with the proviso that it would be a fill up and not just topping off to get me to a cheaper place.

I really valued that serve yourself gas pump down south that was completely unattended and worked like a friggin' slot machine, and would take a maximum of ten silver dollars. It was right beside the volunteer fire station but it's long gone, as is silver dollars as a medium of exchange. We used to get silver dollars as change, mostly in Nevada and I was not particularly crazy about it, but that's passed into history now, VISA reigns!

I remember when Sears had what they called a "Charge-a-plate" aluminum dog tag looking thing and usually only gas stations issued credit cards and people would carry a wallet full of Texaco, and Shell and Richfield, only good at that station, and maybe the only universal card was Diner's Club and American Express. I didn't know anyone that had American Express, but at first there were two things.

VISA was called "BANKAMERICARD" and Master Card, what the hell did they call it? MasterCharge?

Now we have PRESTIGE stuff, like Gold Card, which is pretty passé' these days, you need a Platinum or Titanium or better yet, a BLACK CARD as a status symbol. I've got a lot of cards, for some reason and yet the one I use the most is DISCOVER. And, can't do without the Costco Citi-card. Gas stations on every damned corner and yet there will be 50 cars in line at the Costco pumps, including me.

Excuse the ramble, please!
Good hunting.
El Bee
 
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on April 10, 2022, 05:32 PM:
 
Howdy fellas.
Seldom do much on forums anymore. Aint on Facebook .
Bottom line is forums are dying. I do check in here about once a week but not much happening that I'm interested in. "Hunting".
No one's fault, just the sign of the times.
PM is all but DEAD...., Heavy handed mods killed it!

As for those dinks trying to shut down this site, fuck em!
You do a nice/fair job LB running this site and I know youde miss the little bit of traffic it receives.
Anywhoo, thought I'd check in n say hello.
 
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on April 11, 2022, 06:20 AM:
 
I'd hate to see this board go down. I also would be willing to donate to keep it open. I quit facebook about a year ago, and I don'tdo any other social media sites.

I'm sorry to hear about your foot. May you heal quickly.

It is nice to see Jay on this site again.
 
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 11, 2022, 09:27 AM:
 
Ok ............... This thread has gone to page two without going off topic.
There-fore according to the Terms Of Service agreement that we all signed, Chapter Nine, Page 27, Paragraph 83 clearly states that under these conditions, the site must remain open.
Guess that settles that. [Razz]
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 11, 2022, 12:41 PM:
 
It's a damned good thing we got ko ko to keep us on topic so that was money well spent!

I just got back from the Kaiser Podiatrist and thoughtfully, he let me view the pictures for the first time! Nobody else, in those first 3 visits thought to do that! It's the SECOND METACARPAL, and the surgery would be a bitch. He didn't use that word but I got the gist of it just looking at the photos. The bone is pushed way off and there's quite a gap from where it would be normally. He suggests letting it heal and stay off of it and maybe we won't need to go under the knife? I'm not in favor of foot surgery no matter what! So, I better live with it!

Thank you folks for checking in! I've been pretty sure that there are members, non members and looky loos to the extent that I claimed....although I have no reason to exaggerate one way or the other, and WE KNOW THAT THIS TYPE OF MEDIA IS LOSING INTEREST, but it is what it is!

If people want to maintain some sort of contact with like minded individuals, it's nobody's business! There are still hard core, knowledgable predator hunters drifting in and out and it doesn't matter if we want to talk about cars or woodworking or covid restrictions, we are all on the same wavelength, so leave us the fuck alone!

Why harass me? Why bother to write that HM needs to be shut down? Get a life, worry about something else like CLIMATE CHANGE! So, although I think it's getting spendy at $431! (but) I'm going to keep the site open, for a few loyal friends and for me as something to do! Who cares? I appreciate the offers but this has been my gift to the brotherhood for 20 years and it's well spent. If PMS folks are bothered by it, I'm glad. For the life of me, I can't see why they do it, write to my provider and ask that it be closed down, shit like that, even trying to cancel my email address, they are anal! And wasting their time!

Thank you all for putting up with the drama!
Good hunting. El Bee

PS you should see the fancy boot I got now! and after not seeing my foot for the last 4 days it has really got black and blue that I didn't see before and now "it looks as painful as it feels" Beautiful colors, too!
 
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on April 11, 2022, 08:39 PM:
 
Good news.
For the Board. Not you foot.
 
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on April 12, 2022, 03:55 AM:
 
Well LB girlfriend fell while walking and she has a hair-line crack in her pinky finger.
Last two weeks has been a killer on the over 60's crowd.
Hang in there and do what the doctor says.
 
Posted by www (Member # 3918) on April 12, 2022, 05:50 AM:
 
Glad that you're keeping the site open. Although I don't contribute much, I do enjoy reading posts by like-minded people.

Sorry to hear about your latest misery but I guess it comes with age. At least you got a fancy new boot out of the deal.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2022, 07:55 AM:
 
Good Morning, Class!

Yeah, you know this is like Ukraine and the Russian Bear on a slightly smaller scale. They won't be happy until HM is history so they bring in the tanks and the artillery, rape our weamon & chillin' and piss on my shoes! I mean boots.

This just dawned on me. That other soft cast I could drive without much problem. This new "Magnum" boot, I don't see how there's even room down there for brake and throttle to be operated one at a time? I suppose it's time for Uber?

My daughter said that Uber and Lyft are banned from the airport. Sounds like the Taxi Mafia fixed that up?

Tillie is not forgetting her mission, amid all this Chaos; and if any friggin' cat walks on that back wall, she's going to let me know!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: hair line crack? Pinky finger? That reminds me! Shelley decided she would groom Pinky's top feathers, and you know when a new one is growing out they have like a sheath around the "follicle" or whatever it's called? Well, apparently new growth is tender or sensitive and he turned around and got her on the PINKY! Fucking temperamental bird!

[ April 12, 2022, 08:04 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 12, 2022, 09:05 AM:
 
Lay flattened Shake & Bake boxes in that bird's cage.
That should get it's mind right.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2022, 11:42 AM:
 
He has spindley drumsticks, a small bird couldn't make a decent snack out of both of them!

But he has personality. Once you get to know him. Shelley googled the five strongest jaws and I suppose a Great White was first and she didn't say where Moluccan Cockatoos were listed? I'm guessing #3?

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2022, 12:12 AM:
 
Well, I finally paid the ransom. HM survives for another year!

Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2022, 12:13 PM:
 
Got off the phone with GoDaddy. Those cocksuckers auto renewed my hosting to the tune of $431.64 and I never authorized that! Really slick! "Oh Sir, you had automatic renewal". Then why have you been sending me cancelation notices every week for a month? We did not get that answered but I have a refund coming. Really, I'm not all that satisfied with GoDaddy and their prices have really gone up . I also just paid another $30 for web hosting. As I said crises averted for at least another year.

But, instead of getting the news second hand from my credit card company, I expect Go Daddy to send me a fucking BILL with itemized charges! This super easy automatic bill paying is so trouble free that it makes it easy to have $500 dollar charges slip by without notice, and then you have Wells Fargo making things easy for minimum payments, no old fashioned paper billing. I'm proud of being a god damned fossil, at least when I went to school, we were forced to learn stuff that's no longer considered important....like where's Europe? How does the Metric System work? Are electric cars free transportation? Is the Second Amendment just so we can have a Militia? But without F15's and nukes, we don't stand a chance while fighting with the government.

You know, mostly Liberals they talk about Russia and worry. They say, you know,, they have nukes! This is supposed to be a BFD. But, I'm just puzzled because we have nukes so unless the asshole wants to start the end of civilization, we gonna pulverize his home and office with the first missile so he has nothing to gain by threatening anybody with an atom bomb. It is the classic MEXICAN STANDOFF!

Where was I? Yeah, I paid for web hosting, everything's cool!

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by Semp (Member # 3074) on April 24, 2022, 12:58 PM:
 
I think I mentioned this a long, long time ago but Jim Champion does hosting over at FnF. I have no idea about pricing but would guess it might be cheaper than Yo Daddy.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 24, 2022, 04:27 PM:
 
You know, I believe you are right! I remember that, but don't remember that it was you that brought it up.

I've talked to Jim before, he's an okay guy, in my book. I like him!

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on April 25, 2022, 07:44 PM:
 
Glad that you choose to renew HM for another year. I post very infrequently but do check in to see what's going on, one of the lurkers I guess. My take on the waining popularity of predator hunting sites is after the great popularity of predator hunting and all the tube videos, fox pro videos, Randy Anderson videos et al, people new to the sport had the impression that the edited videos out there reflected a typical day afield. A quick visit to AllPredators and a Foxpro and requisite camo was on the way and thy were off to devastate the local predator population but after little to no success they lost interest. Family commitments and other things came up on their weekends and pretty soon they stopped hunting predators and visiting predator hunting sites. I have gleaned some good info from this site and it has contributed to my modest success coyote hunting.
 
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 26, 2022, 06:25 AM:
 
Hey Tedo;
If you're not busy, could you make this damn wind stop blowing ???? It makes my bowarm wander all over and the arrows fly sideways.
Thanx !!!

[Smile]
 
Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on April 26, 2022, 06:52 AM:
 
Koko,
Wish I could help but it looks like sunburn or wind burn for while longer. Busy getting my tackle and boat squared away then heading over to the lower Laguna Madre for my fishing fix. If you see a cushion off a patio chair flying by grab it and I'll picket up later, figure it should be in your neighborhood any time now.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 26, 2022, 06:58 AM:
 
Yes, I suppose unrealistic expectations is a valid reason for the downturn.

I already mentioned my favorite villain, FaceBook. That site siphons off a lot of activity, it's immediate and the social gimmick is irresistible. I've never joined FaceBook but it's like an invasion. I see many links on line and you can't access it without enrolling in FaceBook first and now they track your ass from sunup to sun down, day after day and year after year. They have so damned much information on you that they know exactly what triggers to trip and all your ads are custom designed, you are now a commodity, manipulated by hi tech Google and FaceBook.

I hate it! These foreign creeps with unpronounceable names, they own us, they know everything about you and me, track all movements and it's worse than any totalitarian government ever was! These pricks need to be cut off at the knees!

End of rant!
Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on April 26, 2022, 04:33 PM:
 
It's mostly gimmickery now days.
Back when most of us learned to call, it was by seat of the pants trial and error.
You shot what you had and wore old clothes.
Camo (if you could afford it) was secondhand Woodland from the Army Surplus Store.
There were few articles on calling fox in magazines I could never afford.
It was a bug borne out of stubborn determination or possibly boredom that kept me interested. Fox and coyotes were big game for me. A huge upgrade from rabbits, squirrels and skunks. My first call was railroad strapping folded over the hole to make a whistle. First store bought was a Herter’s and then struck gold with a Weems.
Fast forward to the mid 80’s and product marketing made everything sound so easy. No need to even learn the basics. After a few unsuccessful outings, most just give up but that’s an inherent characteristic of most people. Always been that way.
I’m continually dumbstruck by the vast amount of people that can’t perform the simplest of tasks. But that’s off topic (albeit somewhat related).
The big problem I have with the information highway is that everyone is an expert. Gerry Blair once said “I know lots of things. Some are even true.”. Having said that, I have consulted Google University many times over to learn how to fix something but due diligence is required to weed out the BS.
Yeah, you guys are probably right about diminishing traffic. There’s a ton of 5-coyote experts out there that talk a good story. I would venture to say that all of you can figure out whether they really know what the hell they’re talking about in under a minute. Can’t imagine what the good old days will be like for the newer generations.
Rambling over.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 26, 2022, 06:02 PM:
 
Jay, you will always be my hero! and leave 'em lay!

Good hunting. El Bee
 




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