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Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on February 09, 2020, 06:36 PM:
The spring topic was locked?
LB, I know for a fact that the people of Iowa use to eat carp.
My grandparents did to keep from starving.
Had an old neighbor when I was a kid come by and grab a carp or two for dinner that I had shot.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 09, 2020, 06:51 PM:
Must have been a big mistake? I was posting on a little iphone, so it’s easy to poke my finger incorrectly. Sorry!
Go ahead and contribute, if you wish. LB
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 10, 2020, 05:25 AM:
I have never eaten carp but have heard that cleaned properly and prepared it is good eatin !
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2020, 09:11 AM:
To me, it's kinda like eating possum. Sure, meat's meat, and all that. There's no reason why I couldn't trap a few roof rats and make tacos, mourning dove don't have as much meat and we eat them?
Where wuz I? Oh yeah. Carp are kind of disgusting, to me. I have fished them and caught them quite a bit but there is nothing appetizing about them, if you ask me?
Of course, I feel the same way about catfish. It's in my head and I can't get it out. A rainbow is a clean attractive looking fish. As it happens, I do not care for most trout, but they still do not look ugly, for starters.
I like the hell out of bluegill or what we have always called "sunfish" up in Minneesota. A crappy is a little bit muddy, as a comparable panfish, but I could eat the hell out of a mess of brim or bluegill or sunfish, pumpkinseed, Red Ear. whatever. They grow a lot bigger out here than in Minnesota. I've never caught a great deal of smallmouth bass, but I think the Florida strain we have out here are very edible. Carp are not worth putting in the boat.
We used to get other trash fish, Gar, dogfish, Red horse sucker, eels and most of them were in the actual Mississippi river, not the other 10,000 lakes in that state.
Besides, I'm already a finicky eater, stuff like organ meat, brain, liver, chicken gizzards....yuck!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 10, 2020, 09:54 AM:
It's funny the way we look at food.
If you eat lobster ........... you're a food connoisseur.
If you eat crawfish .......... you're a redneck.
I'll take catfish over trout any day of the week.
As far as carp, if you try to fix them like you would bluegills ........... you ain't gonna end up with a plate of something that tastes like bluegills. However, properly cleaned and smoked or made into fishcakes, they can be pretty tasty.
And ......... as a wise man once said; "Smoked carp tastes just like smoked salmon if you ain't got no salmon."
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2020, 12:04 PM:
I plumb forgot about smoking! That is one way to do a carp.
When I was a kid, in Minnesota, they had a forerunner of the Supermarket called the Red Owl and they would have Whitefish stacked in barrels, on end, and they were smoked and my dad would buy one once in a while. I think they netted them in Lake Superior, skinny fish probably not much more than a pound. But, they were smoked and dried and actually quite tasty, even for me and I have never been much of a fish eater.
It's just interesting as hell how smoke can cure a lot of meat and fish. We used to get cold smoked ham. It was cured and would last a long time but still had to be cooked, before you could eat it. Much finer textured than the normal way we cure ham. It's hard to understand exactly how smoke preserves meats.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 11, 2020, 05:06 AM:
When I could eat it catfish was a favorite !
And damned near anything smoked was good !
Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on February 11, 2020, 06:23 AM:
Carp are used to make gifiltefish, a appetizer used in some of the jewish religious holidays. There are loads of them in the Hudson River, there were caught and held in clean water for a period before consuming. I worked on the Hudson River after college doing fisheries research, enjoyed the work but loathed New York.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 11, 2020, 06:37 AM:
Hey Ted !!!!
Hard to believe that carp are Kosher but Shellfish are not.
Did you get any of this rain that came thru ????
Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on February 11, 2020, 07:01 AM:
Yes we got some of the rain, probably enough to make the two tracks messy. The Cochise Stronghold has a little dusting of snow, probably be gone by this afternoon. When does the carp shooting start?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 11, 2020, 07:51 AM:
They tell me the spawn in Roosevelt is in late March / early April.
I'm still looking for 'the place' to get into summer-long bowfishing. Possibly Lake Martinez on the Colorado.
Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on February 11, 2020, 08:02 AM:
Well good luck shooting carp. I am planning extended trip to the Lower Laguna Madre for Speckled Trout and Redfish in April and May. I would like to try the bowhunting for carp sometime. Shooting any coyotes?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 11, 2020, 08:09 AM:
gifiltefish gegiltefish, I can't figure out how to spell it and neither can Sierra, but I do recall what it is and what it is made of....CARP!
The thing is, most of that ethnic food is pretty disgusting, to my mind. I am NOT an adventurous eater! I won't even eat Yogurt, "live cultures"? Forget that shit! And, let's face it, almost all Italian cheese stinks like some bush babies underwear! British? Kidney pie? Disgusting!
Has anybody discovered what's in Menudo? Cabezza Tacos just LOOK nasty; with the main ingredient staring you in the face! I've seen those guys wrap a nice juicy brain in aluminum foil and steam it. It breaks apart in bite size morsels with a nutty flavor, (so I'm told) BARF!
Just the idea of eating those fat grubs makes my stomach flip! Forget survival school, I'll have the lemon grass, please!
Have you ever seen coyote turds consisting 100% of grasshoppers? Sure seems kinda scratchy exit, if you ask me? Hell, I can't stand the thought of raw oysters, and yuck, yuck, it reminds me of a certain genitalia.
I'm just a creep. Sorry!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 11, 2020, 08:19 AM:
Leonard
Tacos de sesos Nuthin like em !
Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on February 11, 2020, 08:31 AM:
Years ago during some of my Arctic Alaska and Greenland jobs I had the opportunity to try some of the marine mammals, seal,walrus, whale.It was nasty. The best analogy would be Pennzoil soaked rotten coyote. When asked how I liked the mukluk (whale blubber) I responded in a negative manner and was informed by the eskimo that I should put A1 sauce on it. The musk ox was OK as well as caribou but during rut the caribou stunk pretty bad, the wife requested that I not bother to shoot any more caribou.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 11, 2020, 08:53 AM:
Ted;
Shooting at coyotes, yes.
Hitting coyotes, not so much but finding most of my arrows.
Been shooting tournaments lately. Apache Bowhunters Globe Az. Facebook page. I'm the handsome guy with the white beard. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 11, 2020, 10:12 AM:
Compared to what?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 11, 2020, 11:04 AM:
Everybody 'cept Willie Jack the guy who looks and plays the git-tar & sings like that Willie Nelson feller. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 11, 2020, 06:03 PM:
Haven't been able to eat many Kansas fish since my calling mentor remarked about how they lived in those streams where all the ag chemicals concentrate. Finned tumors. Now that's a yech.
That said, I fish for the fight and it's hard to top a big old buffalo carp nosing into the bottom. Easy to find 50-60# carp here if you go looking. Funny thing is where do they stay? Last summer, when the river flooded 3 different times, the fields on either side would be crawling with huge carp. Lotsa people fishing wheat fields for carp. Millions of them. LOL Always left to wonder where they go when the waters recede.
On catfish, the hypocrisy. Putting a nice channel cat next to a flathead and the channel looks to be the clean one. Except, channels are scavengers while flatheads are predators, thus the cryptic markings. Yet, most people will eat the shit eater first.
Funny how our upbringing effects our food tastes. Was talking to as Missouri DoC biologist one day and we got onto how few people eat what we trap. Told him it stood to reason since most of us are from a Judeo-Christian culture that frowns upon eating certain types of meat, like rodents, scavengers and carnivores. Pretty much everything we trap is one or more of those.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 12, 2020, 04:11 AM:
I like bobcat , though I have never had any I have heard mountain lion to be excellent ! Tried coyote once they taste just like they smell !
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 12, 2020, 09:26 AM:
Yeah, I guess most cats, at least the back-strap is fairly good eating, a light meat, more like chicken than pork. I have had some African Lion, a club member had it flown airfreight along with his rug, intending it for his dog, which is pretty pricy dog food, if you ask me? But, as I remember, it tasted sorta kinda like bobcat, but I only nibbled at both of them. I'm a real puss about weird stuff, kinda like how little kids won't eat the steak or the chicken with the grownups but will happily gorge on hotdogs.
You know, some years ago there was a big, huge expose' about the ingredients in ordinary hotdogs. If you go to the USDA regulations and the list of exactly what can be used it's enough to make anybody swear off wieners or "franks".
They list things like entrails and hog snouts and just about everything from soup to nuts. And don't get me started on the most recent trend of using poultry instead of more traditional ingredients.
But, here's the thing. Ethnic people have been using less than premium cuts when making various sausages for hundreds of years and what's the USDA supposed to do? So they allow these things rather than OUTLAWING these things.
This does not mean that your average hotdog contains pig snouts! far from it. The reality is that an average load in a smokehouse probably has at least $25,000 worth of ham, bacon or baloney, or....hotdogs. The fact is, the ingredient recipe is a closely guarded secret. They adhere to it strictly, they cannot afford to trash a whole batch with pig snouts so they ACTUALLY use a very good grade of chuck steak, something they know to be stable.
Now, the actual original wieners were made of beef and pork and veal, and delicious! Well, the Liberals have put the CABASHES to veal, and jews do not eat pork so they make an all beef wiener just for them, and they are called "Franks". But, they are not as tasty as the blended wiener, which you do not see any more. You will see a bastard hotdog with either/or chicken or turkey and beef, maybe some pork, but everybody has their own recipe. And, that's what I mean, the makers are allowed to use just about anything in their "Head Cheese" but they don't because there is not enough snouts to go around, in the first place, and second, they want a reliable repeatable ingredient.
I've seen them fill dumpsters with Bologna that might have split open due to some fukup in the process, and that makes very expensive hog food. It's not common, at all but does happen. Processed sausage type of meats are very complicated. Not only that, but cold cuts, as a category, is not inexpensive, per pound.
There is a local market chain called Gleasons, I think is how it's spelled? The closest one to me is probably 20 miles, most are located in the san Fernando Valley, but they make a friggin' hotdog you can't believe! It's kinda fat like a bratwurst, and they have the casing, it's not peeled. And, one is a meal. I have no idea what it's made of but they are tasty as hell.
And, now you are all knowed up on the Great American Hotdog!
Good hunting. El Bee
[ February 12, 2020, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 12, 2020, 11:30 AM:
Yeah, but where can you get a good bowl of Haggis ????? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 12, 2020, 12:21 PM:
NO! With a gun to my head, NO!
PS Aren't you the one that claims that all it needs is a little Catsup?
[ February 12, 2020, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 12, 2020, 01:34 PM:
Nope. It's a trick question. There's no such thing as a good bowl of Haggis.
Possibly you're thinking of the Nameless One ????
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 13, 2020, 08:37 AM:
Ah Ha! He has chimed in, wants me to straighten out Lance on his catfish stories, says he got it backwards! But he's always triggered by Lance anyways. Never fails! Lance posts something about the sun rising in the east and HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED, writes me and says, "Tell Lance he got it backwards!" And, he wonders why?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: But, PS maybe the people in Iowa eat carp but the people in Minneesota are smarter than that. They do not eat carp, in my recollection?
[ February 13, 2020, 08:40 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on February 13, 2020, 06:58 PM:
Uh-huh. Sure. I'm guessing we have better catfishing in Kansas than you'll find in MN, and you learn early to use live bait for bank lines to get the big flatheads at night. Big assed hook through a 6-inch live bullhead right below the dorsal fin and put him so he dangles about an inch beneath the surface. 50# flatheads pretty common here and they aren't feeding on the bottom. Thirty miles away is Milford Reservoir, presently regarded as the mecca of bluecat fishing in the Midwest. HWSRN is full of shit, as usual, but we already know that. Kinda think we were the first to boot him as I never hear of him except for here. You'd have thought he was dead. Nope, just irrelevant.
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on February 14, 2020, 03:46 AM:
That was back in the 1920's or so. Eating carp.
A whole lot different then to now.
The Snake river from Twin Falls to the Oregon border is nothing but a sewer. Every year when the other half goes over towards Parma to spring trap beaver and rats the dogs would jump in the river and so forth and they all would get skin problems. It even smells somewhat like a sewer. Way to many farms and so forth that line that river for that many miles.
I prefer to arrow carp. When I was little we use to use pitch forks until I ran a tine through the leg just above the ankle bone and missed the Achilles tendon. Then went to bow and arrow.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 14, 2020, 04:44 AM:
As loco would say thanks Leonard for
the hotdogamacation. My business partner and I would go once a year to Teds hot dogs in Tempe he (Ted) was from Buffalo NY and made many kinds of dogs and
sausage including the White hot all Veal dog. we would always get two of the foot long chili dog!
Everything was cooked over charcoal that was my hot dogs for the year .
My wife thinks they are disgusting so I always tell what else are they gonna do with that stuff when they clean the floor! Actually there was never any thing better than a chili dog made properly with grated cheese not that cheese snot they try to pass off now! diced onions and lotsa mustard !!!
[ February 14, 2020, 04:46 AM: Message edited by: Paul Melching ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 14, 2020, 09:53 AM:
When I was in high school, yes there was the school cafeteria, but the food was unremarkable.
So, instead, one of the places we went was The Pit, on Garvey and Hoyt. It is gone now and has been gone for, (guessing?) ten years or so? Brick building, the whole front was wide open, if there was and inside, I don't believe I was ever in there? They had a roofed area on the side with picnic benches.
Anyway, I'm not really sure if they had anything else on the menu besides the best friggin' Chili Dog on the Planet. And, like you said, it came on a soft type bun-and they were pretty generous with the chili. The rest of the stuff we applied ourselves, the sweet relish, chopped onions, and yellow mustard. We were normal size growing boys, but one of those Chili Dogs was a meal, and if we could afford a soda, Great! But that Chili Dog was 25 cents, also the best bargain on the planet! These wieners were grilled, always had burn marks to make them look yummy.
I can say that I never got tired of The Pit's Chili Dogs and every time I build one for myself, I try to replicate Chili Dogs I got from The Pit when I was 15, or so? Before that, I didn't know anybody with a car that would let me tag along. That's where sports helped out, and there were always older teammates the did have wheels.
Once in a while we went to Bob's and their special was a hamburger on toasted sandwich bread, the square loaf But he had a delicious spread and they were more than a quarter. If we knew we were coming, he would have them started before we got there because for a while, we sort of regulars.
HOWEVER, this is pure fact, and you can check it out. The number one location, the hangout for El Monte High School kids was The In and Out. Emphasize: This was the place, Friday and Saturday and all weekend. It was years later that I found out that this location on Valley Blvd and almost Peck Road was not part of the chain! WTF? No, the real actual name was, "RUSS' BURGERS" But I didn't now that for years later. Of course, everybody went to the actual In N Out's all over town, but this particular one was the hangout. The burgers were the best, but you couldn't go there for lunch, only one drive through line and the cars were always stacked.
I don't know why I'm admitting this but I was a bit of a rowdy, in high school, fights all the time. I don't think I looked for it, but I didn't back away from it either. Anyway, that's my version. The US Army was the same thing, always fighting with other Army guys, but especially Krauts, who fought like girls. Everybody over there thought they was bad asses, just because they had beat up a few Germans.
Another stroll down Memory Lane with El Bee,
Good hunting. El Bee
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