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Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on May 04, 2018, 12:58 PM:
Don't no if this is what we really need right now.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oklahoma/articles/2018-05-03/bill-would-allow-oklahomans-to-carry-guns-without-a-permit
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on May 05, 2018, 02:32 AM:
All states need this. It is your right. If you haven't lost your rights as an American citizen.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 05, 2018, 07:25 AM:
I agree. It balances out. No need to disarm yourself because you think that jerk down the street shouldn't have a gun. Those ideas appeal to Liberals.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on May 05, 2018, 09:35 AM:
Eddie we eliminated conceal carry bullshit almost two years ago.
https://www.idaho.gov/laws-public-safety/gun-weapon-law/
Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on May 05, 2018, 03:46 PM:
I don't disagree with the law, what I'm looking at if it passes and some clown shoots some kid by mistake then it gives the gun grabbers all the ammunition they need to go after all guns. Right now we have open carry if you take the class and get your card. I think if your going to carry you need to no how to handle a gun. I've seen to many big city guys come out here to deer hunt and have no idea how to shoot or if there gun is even sited in. But there's not telling what will happen, man just got to wait and see.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 06, 2018, 05:00 AM:
In Arizona we have had Constitutional carry for years open or concealed no real problem's.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on May 06, 2018, 05:46 AM:
To add to Paul's statement, Arizona is the first and maybe the only state that has enacted constitutional carry with a large metropolitan area with a large population. Maricopa county has about 4 million residents.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on May 06, 2018, 05:53 AM:
I also should mention that the advantages of having a CCW permit in AZ is you can carry a gun into a bar but you cannot drink. Also the Arizona permit is honored in 37 states, and you don't have to go through the brady background check
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 06, 2018, 07:38 AM:
By the time I move to AZ to take advantage of that law; they will have imposed an age limit and then me and ko ko is fucked.
But, before that happens, I'm sure Kalifornia will have passed the reciprocity CCW. Don't laugh, could happen. <sarcasm<
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: at what point can one declare his second AZ home to be his primary residence? Thereby qualifying for resident hunting and fishing licenses, which are about Five Bucks, instead of NonRes which are about $200? And, nobody cares!
[ May 06, 2018, 07:41 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 06, 2018, 07:48 AM:
Six Months !
Resident hunt fish combo is $57.00
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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 06, 2018, 07:53 AM:
The lic. includes migratory birds, two pole stamp and trout stamp !
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 07, 2018, 09:50 PM:
I had a golfer once tell me what he paid just for a round of golf.
I have not whined (too much) about the cost of license, tags, or archery club memberships since.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 08, 2018, 06:32 AM:
The cost of a round of golf in the Hawaiian Islands is comparable to an average California house payment. Well....almost.
Anybody who has been around these pages for a while knows that I have a hard on for exorbitant non resident hunting license fees. These states support their entire Fish and Game Departments on the backs of sucker hunters from out of state while residents pay $57 for hunting and fishing, plus water and trash collection. What a deal!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 08, 2018, 07:38 AM:
Move.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 08, 2018, 12:42 PM:
....but, what do I do with my stuff?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 08, 2018, 02:58 PM:
Pods.
Once you get moved in & settled, open one of them a month.
Xmas 12 times a year.
Edit to add; Consider this. A measure of a man's freedom is not in what he has but rather what he can do without.
Stuff can be an anchor.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 09, 2018, 07:16 AM:
Guilty of that....
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 10, 2018, 04:03 AM:
I'm sure I've told this before but when I left Ca. I rented a 15 yard dumpster and filled it with the contents of my garage which was basically a museum of vintage motorcycle parts I sold 16 bikes and came to Az. with two one dirt one street. When I set up my new garage it was a breeze no weight .
Now I find myself in the middle of the forest keeping only the tools needed to make knives and do a light handy man service and shed everything I don't need, wise words indeed KoKo! Shit holds you down ! I live as a free man off the grid and loving it no mortgage no utility bills no one to answer to. Peace quiet and nearest neighbor bout a mile away ! just YES !
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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 11, 2018, 05:32 PM:
KS has had constitutional carry - open or concealed without a permit - for about two years now and it's really no big deal. The streets aren't running red with blood. People are courteous to one another. Our local courthouse implemented security and metal detectors a few months back and have had to have maybe 15 people secure their sidearms in lockers before entering. No hassle. No arguing. Pretty much all were like, "oh shit, forgot I had it on." I've said I carry mine a lot. I'll get home and forget I'm wearing it until my neighbor gives me shit for packing while mowing or watering flowers. I live ina pretty decent neighborhood, but we've had "incidents" that make you wonder. Had to call the cops when a meth head sent threatening messages to my son via Fecesbook. The cop asked me if I wanted to be added to the "extra patrol roster". I asked him what that was and he said it was enhanced patrol of any place where the homeowners sought or needed extra security. I told him we were good, didn't need it. He asked me if I was sure. The other cop asks me, "aren't you the coyote killer?" I told him yeah, so dirtbags don't scare me. I'm better armed than they are. LOL
I'm a firm believer that when all is quiet, there's no better time to push for laws and regulations that bolster your position. Doing so creates that many more piles that anti's have to work their way through to get to you. Easier to build momentum when you're running downhill. Oklahoma's like Kansas, all is calm. Take advantage of the quiet time to fortify your position. and, be glad you can.
As to those potential mass shootings, bullshit. People tend to think twice about shooting anyone when they know that there's a damned good chance someone will be shooting back. Constitutional carry is a deterrent, if you ask me.
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on May 11, 2018, 06:29 PM:
Our governor vetoed the bill.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 11, 2018, 07:37 PM:
Next election ........... veto your governor.
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on May 13, 2018, 07:26 AM:
She is a lame duck Koko. Not much you can do with her....she has made her money and moving on. The legislature has recessed and wont be able to override her veto(if they even had the votes). OSBI campaigned hard against it claiming large losses of revenue and forced layoffs. And of course. Bloomburg poured tons of money into fighting it as well.
I never understood the opposition to it. The CCW license is a joke and nothing more than a revenue generator for the state (proven by our governors main reason for veto). It is a one day class that familiarizes an individual with the laws and a 50 round competency test on the range. You dont become an instant Jason Bourne OAF capable of rescuing multiple people in hostage situations. You are just a non felon who was willing ask for and pay for permission to exercise a right you already have. But hell, current gun laws deter so many bad guys as it is(sarcasm).
Maintain
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 13, 2018, 08:01 AM:
My sympathies, Geordie. Consider yourself fortunate you don't have Fairy Jerry, Governor Moonbeam in Oklahoma. The first bill he sees, legalizing door to door confiscation, he is sure to sign. I aught to have my ass kicked for staying here as long as I have. Stuff, you know? Time to quit talking and time to (gulp) do something about it!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 20, 2018, 07:05 PM:
Was saddened to see that, my Okie friends. I agree with your assessment, Geordie. Kansas' CCW class follows the exact same format. * hours of classroom time and some shooting on the range. Not a single second spent on how to safely handle a firearm, or how to unload a firearm that may come into your possession. I've told several guys I know who are instructors that they need to, at the absolute very least, incorporate the safe gun handling modules from the Hunter Safety program so that the attendees at least have some exposure to that. My bet is that a very, very, and I mean VERY small percentage of those who pass the class actually spend any real time on the range or using their P/D weapons to familiarize themselves with it. Kinda scary.
At the same time, I'm reminded that I put more lead downrange and spend much more time curled up with my Full Semi-Auto Killing Machine (FSAKM-15)than most, if not all, of the LEO's around here who carry them in their patrol cars.
On a positive note, that Hogg kid is having to come to terms with the fact that all his relevancy kind got shit right out the window in Texas.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here with the video game stuff. I agree. In fact, our entire society has somehow gone to feeling like we have to entertain the children all the time, and those same kids are raised in an environment where they come to expect it. I am friends with an alarming number of parents who spend all their free time gallivanting all over the central US taking their kids to this sporting tournament, and that contest. Those kids are raised to think that they're all pro-class athletes and imagine their disappointment when they suddenly realize that they aren't. One told me that their son's professional baseball coach - an individual contracted instructor who works with their son one on one, 90 miles from home - tells them that if he keeps trying hard, he will get scholarships. Of course, my first thought was that the guy isn't gonna tell them their son sucks at baseball because that would lose him a paying customer. That boy is being set up for disappointment in a big way. Now, I'm by no means the world's best parent, but I think we need to get back to teaching kids to be comfortable being alone with themselves, that they don't need to be entertained at all waking hours, and that they're not entitled to anything that they don't earn. Do away with the onerous labor laws that keep kids from learning a work ethic when their 14-16 years old.
As to the video games, recruits in the military are immersed in them in their training because it makes them more effective as soldiers, Marines, and airmen. My son showed a significant different in his aggression when he no longer had access to the games like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto. Just sayin'...
Just rambling...
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 21, 2018, 03:49 AM:
When I was a kid a paper boat in the rain was entertainment !
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 21, 2018, 07:19 AM:
Paper boats? Never thought of that? We would float popsicle sticks for blocks, around various dams we built along the curb. Pretty serious stuff. I never saw a California storm drain in Minnesota, they had flat, cast iron grids, 2'X2' that we could easily block with leaves. In fact, I don't ever remember seeing street sweepers, I think everybody kept their own curbs clean but in those days, we would rake leaves into a pile and burn them right at the curb. Green bins were unknown. I never saw a crosswalk either until moving to the Land of the Fruits and Nuts. Kids actually crossed the street without the aid of such high tech innovation. We also played baseball in the street, I never did that in California.
I never thought to ask permission to ride my bike 10-20 miles from home, when I was 10 or 11. My mom never knew where I was, until supper time. My personal nature preserve was the golf course a block away. All winter, it was deserted, belonged to me. Gamefish were mostly carp, pretty big ones; I never caught a one pound carp? Swamps were common, frogs, toads, tadpoles and garter snakes.
I really don't think kids today get the same enrichment from games on their smartphones? I wouldn't trade my youth with the current crop.
From Down Memory Lane,
Good hunting.
El Bee
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