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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 15, 2017, 06:16 AM:

I've been gone for a couple days and I came back to email from "somebody" who seemed to have a problem with Dave having a conversation about calling coyotes with Redfrog on the PredatorMasters Forum. So, being curious, I had to check it out. I haven't been there in years, actually surprised to see he was still around and dispensing advice.

I didn't see why somebody might be pissed that Dave would be participating? Except that there is so much difference between the character and credibility of those two individuals?

I admit that Huntmasters doesn't have a lot of useful stuff regarding basic hunting and tactics and assume it's because we've all been down that road so many times and it's redundant. (speaking from the standpoint of "been there, done that").

While I'm at it, in the complaint department, I also got a email from a very indignant Tony Tebbe who was extremely upset with Scott Huber. Something concerning dogging coyotes? Called Wiley E a fake animal control specialist! Well, you know Tony, anything to make a buck? I don't think Scott needs any defending on my part, and I don't recall what the hell has Tony so bent out of shape? Egos being what they are, hard telling?

Okay, look. I have to renew with GoDaddy in about a week, if i'm going to? I am aware of the trend. We just don't seem to talk about the same old shit, over and over. I attribute this to the fact that there are very few members here that aren't actually what could be considered expert on the subject of hunting coyotes. Even while freely admitting that nobody has seen it all, and acknowledging that a coyote can make a fool out of anybody, once in a while, no matter how many you have killed and how long you've been doing it.

So really, I enjoy keeping in contact with you guys, even those that don't contribute as much as they should....I'M LOOKING AT YOU, AZ! But, wouldn't it be nice to weigh in on the subject of coyotes, or any predator, once in a while, just to give me a reason to continue this Forum that really is being wasted; when you consider the vast amount of experience that could be utilized.

Think about what I'm saying and what I'm asking. You guys could be showing what you know, and I also know why you don't, because when all is said and done, none of you have anything to prove any more. So, if you could put aside the false modesty for a while and think about the treasure that is here and available, and maybe turn loose of a nugget every once in a while?

Look, I apologize for all the political subject matter that has accumulated on the Member Forum, but that seems to be the only forum on the Board that gets any traffic. If I put it in the Politics Forum, nobody gives a shit and nobody reads it and nobody contributes, etc. So, what else can I do?

This site is for all you guys and you know, it does cost time and treasure, on my part. I do it for the social aspects, and to do my part, for the sport. Please help me feel like it's worthwhile. I know that there are people that check this board every day and yet we seldom hear from you? I mean, would it kill you to post a stupid comment once in a while? There are people out there that are dying to read what you guys have to say. Talk to us, it's not like it costs anything. Well, it does, but it's my treat, but if you people, (you know who you are) don't give a shit, why should I waste my time?

Think about it. LB

edited for spelling

[ April 15, 2017, 06:20 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 15, 2017, 06:40 AM:

Guilty as charged I will make an effort to do better.

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on April 15, 2017, 06:50 AM:

Leonard, I like this place because it is a little slower paced, and the people who frequent it seem like the real deal. More like a small group conversation atmosphere than sitting at a seminar with hundreds of people. I feel like I know some of these fellows even though I've never shook hands with a single one.

The quality is high here even if the overall posts are low. I like that.

I also like the off coyote topic stuff. Hell, who doesn't enjoy a DAA pictorial from a 50 mile hike in the Utah canyons? Places I'll never see personally, but I sure do like seeing it through the eyes of others.

I couldn't give a shit less where other people post. I don't participate nearly as much on any forums as I used to mostly because of time.

[ April 15, 2017, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: Lonny ]

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 15, 2017, 07:34 AM:

Why would anyone give a shit what Dave...or anyone else... does on the internet? Is this guy an internet cop? A guy with no life? Likely just a dipshit...with no life.

And who gives a fuck about Tebbe or what he thinks? Tony...if your feelings are hurt, post the fuck up here..you will get all of the answers that you seek. Stop slipping notes to the teacher. That's PM crybaby shit.

Lonny is right...and you know, its true forums are failing left and right for many reasons, but I can't tell you how many guys tell me they wish they could post here but don't for whatever reason. They do enjoy lurking, just for the entertainment.

I hope Huntmasters continues...and again..I am willing to help as I know others are..moneywise...if needed.

Mark

[ April 17, 2017, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 15, 2017, 09:02 AM:

Here's the thing about turning loose a nugget or two once in a while; It has to be done verrrry carefully else the nugget becomes a projectile fired back at the one offering it in the first place.
To wit; I hunt pretty thick stuff with a shotgun.
But,......If I stand up on my hind legs and proclaim this to be THE WAY the guys with the wiz-bang rifles are going to pile on unless I phrase my opinion verrrrry carefully.
Just ask the guy who suggested rotating the speaker above your head. Didn't end well.
So, we can talk about politics and we can talk about pussy and we all get along. Coyotes, on the other hand tend to get us kinda wound up.
This is a social board as much as it is a predator hunting board and most of us are pretty happy with it that way.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 15, 2017, 11:07 AM:

Well, as usual, ko ko, you wander off in the weeds. First of all, yes, you contribute and really, it doesn't matter how much or what direction it takes.

But, as far as worrying about if you might be jumped on for sharing an opinion, Uncle Leonard always has your back, don't he? Never fear expressing an opinion, this is first and foremost a free speech forum.

Also, if you hunt thick stuff with a shotgun, I don't think anybody cares, even if you say it's the onlyest way. I don't think you'd say that anyway, regardless if you meant it or were afraid of being laughed at.

As to your last statement, I have no problem, and more or less agree. However, if we leave it to the Redfrogs and Tony Tebbe's of the world to educate the unwashed, (re: coyotes) don't you feel even a little guilty?

If guys like Cal or Huber or Dave, or Vic talks, where else do they have to go to, to get it from the horses mouth? Geesus! you/they don't have to give up the immortal secrets of the game, just COYOTE 101, from somebody that knows their shit!

I'll tell you one thing, talking coyotes will never get ME "all wound up". I know what I know....and I know what I don't.

Please, continue. All opinions welcome. LB

[ April 15, 2017, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on April 15, 2017, 02:29 PM:

I know a lot about coyote trapping, I know enough about calling to really get myself into real trouble and I always seem to lose translation between brain and typing. I don't want to be a know it all so I keep my mouth shut. So hi guys [Razz]

Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on April 15, 2017, 04:18 PM:

Well hell, now I've heard it all.
You got Tebbe and some one else complaining about Dave and Scott. Who cares!!!
That crap doesn't belong here.
As far as posting about calling, everybody does it different.
You guys that call open country call different than I do in the blackjack and post oak ridges that I hunt. I think that most of the guys around here have been hunting for awhile but my Grandpa always told you never get to old to learn.

LB.....I'm like most of the guys around here if you need help to keep this site going just say the word. I was raised to help the elderly and the handicap lol!!
No bullshit I help any way I can.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 15, 2017, 05:47 PM:

Thanks for the comments, everybody.

Eddie, I very much appreciate your gesture of financial support. Lone Howl as well. Thank you.

I mentioned the fact that I have a deadline approaching for renewal but I certainly wasn't hinting that I could use monetary assistance. No, really, I'm not rolling in dough but this website is my gift. I never have, and never intend to solicit contributions. There never have been ads and there never will be ads to generate income. I am asked frequently and I appreciate that as well, but I also enjoy my independence. Everything said by me or any member is protected speech.

No, mentioning the upcoming renewal was because, I could fold the tent if nobody cares anymore. I don't really think that's the case, but you guys are becoming readers rather than participants. I also know that some people dislike the political conversation. I believe that those of us that do what we do involving hunting and firearms have a mutual interest in the threats we have against us, unrelenting and devious. So, I assume we are in the same boat politically with the same concerns. You want your hunting privileges protected, and want to hear about pending Bills and Laws affecting our Second Amendment rights. I mean, where else are you going to get it, on CNN? <sarcastic>

But, sometimes you say that you just want to talk about hunting, no politics.

And, that right there is my POINT! The point is, you say something like that and yet, where's all the hunting chatter, huh? See what I mean? Let's do a little of both.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on April 15, 2017, 06:31 PM:

Leonard, If you ever want to pass the hat to help with the costs, just say the word.

All that said, I'd never donate one thin dime to any other forums.

Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on April 15, 2017, 08:27 PM:

I enjoy reading about how other hunters in different areas of the country hunt/trap coyotes and other predators. A lot of the western areas are very wide open when compared to the type of terrain that I'm used to hunting in. Besides, I can always learn something that other hunters use with success.

Also, my hunting area just does not have the high coyote numbers of other areas, so the kill ratio is much lower than most other hunters. It is amazing to see the numbers of coyotes taken in some one day hunts and I really enjoy the stories/pictures that other hunters post.

As far as the whiners, they should grow up or shut up.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 15, 2017, 08:49 PM:

One more thing...............
This time of year, the coyotes are doing what coyotes do and re-populating our hunting areas.
Many of us are happy to let them while we go fishing.
Ask me about poking carp & tiliapia with pointed sticks. [Smile]

Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on April 16, 2017, 02:24 AM:

Hmmm, some sage coyote advise to all the newbies.
Go to sporting goods store or All Predator Calls. Buy a guarenteeeed to work coyote call, go out to sage where you see coyote crap. sit down so you can see what's going on around you. Read instructions and disclaimers on newly purchased "Gaurentteeed to work coyote call. Wind yourself out blowing on said call and be ready to blast the holy crap out of all the coyotes you call in.
OR go get an ecaller.Set it out in front of you and turn it on. Then blast the bejeesus out of the incomming hords of coyotes.
There ya go Leonard,"sage" advices from an old fart and coyote hunter. Should help someone,Then again maybe not...LOL Thanks for the forum. anyways.

Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on April 16, 2017, 02:31 AM:

I forgot my own disclaimer. This only works out in the western part of the USA that has sage brush. Calling here in the east and up on the coast of Washington and Oregon require different tactics and maybe someone from those places can chime in. I don't know anything about using dogs after coyotes except it was challenging to say the least breaking my hounds from chasing them while I was out hunting bears or cats. I think I covered most aspects of calling though!!! LOL..

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 16, 2017, 04:58 AM:

Thank you, Leonard!

Happy Easter, all.

Koko, I remember as a kid, having tilapia in my fish tank. They were some of the cool South American cichlids that would eat guppies, along with oscar fish and dempseys. Snakeheads were badass, too...
Which gets to my point. Now, those aquarium fish have been released into our freshwater ways and seemingly gone wild as insavive species?
I know snakeheads are a scourge, and oscars are common bass bycatch in the south. Are tilapia now wild, too?

Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on April 16, 2017, 05:15 AM:

Well shit... Spend a day working on a truck, without looking at the computer, and look what you get to come back to.

It's embarrassing that anyone would be writing notes about me like that. It really is. Just don't know how to take something like that.

But, Koko, I'd LOVE to hear about thick stuff shotgun work. Only started using a shotgun, really, this last season. I'm a real honest to goodness noob. And, a lot of the stands I carried the shotgun, Tim had a rifle and they were actually more suitable for rifle (shotgunned quite a few on those stands too though!).

So, very, very little experience actually getting in their in the thick stuff with a shotgun. But I plan on going out of my way to try and do a lot more of it this coming season. Be thick sage brush, my area of operations.

Anyone wants to talk about that, I'm a listening!

- DAA

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2017, 06:31 AM:

Dave, I don't think this email is something to be embarrassed about, more like <shrug> BFD.

But, to understand, I can forward the complaint, which is hard to classify, except this guy, (a lurker, by the way, I don't believe he is a member) ... seems to believe that you are far too noble to be chumming with Redfrog?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2017, 06:37 AM:

Fred, I used to be into aquarium fish, the usual community tank stuff. I raised a lot of livebearers. But, I always wanted to set up a tank exclusive with African Cichlids, mainly from Lake Malawi. If I ever get back into it, it won't be tide pool salt water, maybe something a little more manageable.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on April 16, 2017, 06:45 AM:

Well... Regardless the intention, it's the kind of stuff that makes me loathe to post anything, anywhere. Nobody needs that kind of shit in their life.

Honestly, I keep finding more and more reasons just to keep my mouth shut. Everywhere. I don't think I've ever regretted NOT posting. Opposite direction you want this to go, I know, Leonard.

But seriously, who needs it?

- DAA

Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on April 16, 2017, 08:09 AM:

LB: "I also got a email from a very indignant Tony Tebbe who was extremely upset with Scott Huber. Something concerning dogging coyotes? Called Wiley E a fake animal control specialist!"

Never heard of the guy but one would have to assume that he uses decoy dogs to kill one coyote out of a pair, never looks for the den, then likes to assume he's doing the livestock industry a favor. Could care less. Glad I upset him!

I don't get here as often as I would like because I simply don't have much down time. You run this place the way you want Leonard. It's the only place I like to go because many here have a lot of experience.

~SH~

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 16, 2017, 08:33 AM:

Knockemdown;
I'm not sure where our Tiliapia came from. Planted or illegal release ??
VERY spooky in shallow water. Bright electric blue with red trim. I'm guessing those are spawning colors. Running 3 to 4 pounds. Would love to catch one on a fly rod but from what I'm told, they're best caught on dough-balls. I find them in Alamo Lake but I believe they're in most of the Western Arizona lakes & rivers.

DAA;
Incoming nugget; Find a coyote having a worse day than you are..........and kill it. [Smile]

One thing about hunting the thick stuff.....it can be pretty mentally tiring. You HAVE to stay really alert 'cause shit can happen really quick and you don't get 'do overs'. Normal time from first sighting to taking the shot is usually less than 5 seconds. Shot cup is often laying next to the coyote.
Thick is good.......therefore very thick is very good.
One more thing (subject to debate) Shotties can be set up to shoot tight patterns at 60 or more yards. If you need a tight pattern at 60 yards, buy a Mini-14. That 60 yard pattern will be the size of your fist at close range and will cost you coyotes.

Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on April 16, 2017, 09:21 AM:

DAA,

Leonard's depiction of anyone criticizing you for posting on Predator Masters is quite vague.

Without more to go on, I would take it more from the standpoint of a small jab at you, someone with a tremendous amount of calling experience, sharing your knowledge at a site that does not have the approval of everyone in the calling fraternity due to historical events there. As if that should even be a consideration.

I have always enjoyed what you and Vic had to share dating back to the black board, ALWAYS. Your experience is easy to recognize so stay focused on those of us who enjoy hearing from you and not a handful of insecure critics who would rather suck their thumbs.

~SH~

[ April 16, 2017, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: Wiley E ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2017, 09:38 AM:

Yeah, ^ that's right. I sent the emails to both of you because it's not fair to have both of you wondering how bad it is. Answer: not very. Much to do about nothing.

This just gives you folks an idea of the crap that pops up from time to time. Almost invariably, not from a member, but make no mistake, we have quite a few that lurk with their own reasons for keeping up with "things".

I used to have a service that provided data, unique visits, etc. Now, it costs so I don't get it and I'm not that interested, usually. Make no mistake, some of these girls get really upset when on the 'net, and should probably be on valium?

Good hunting. El Bee

PS my apologies to both you guys for stirring the shit.

Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on April 16, 2017, 09:42 AM:

To my way of thinking, if someone doesn't have the courage to stand on their convictions and respond like everyone else does, a private email response doesn't exist.

~SH~

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 16, 2017, 09:48 AM:

This is why I don't post much this place is just too entertaining !

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2017, 12:56 PM:

Scott, who knows why people do things and think certain things? Who knows why a thread at PMS causes somebody to email me? Well, maybe because they know I post everything? If it involves my members, I'm not big on back channels, and that's why the private message feature on Huntmasters has always been disabled. Too many sneaky people cause big trouble with private messaging. But, I'm not shy to put it out there for everybody. See what the Peanut Gallery thinks about it, ya know?

I just sent you that upset email from Tony. I'm still mystified?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 16, 2017, 12:57 PM:

Hell, post 'em up, Paul.
There are more of us than you would think living vicariously 'off the grid' with you.

[Cool]

Posted by JP (Member # 4095) on April 16, 2017, 01:45 PM:

Leonard - I'm one of those who doesn't post much but reads daily. I have a central nerve problem which causes my hands to tremble, involuntary violent jerking, falling and terrible pain in my feet. All the above a result of forty-two months in Vietnam. Haven't called in anything for the past several years but will give it a try this coming fall/winter (Hint to Brent & Vic). Brent was nice enough to pick me up and drag me along when he was pulling his traps and that was sure appreciated. Having said all that I do appreciate the expense and time you spend on this site. Gives us home bound callers something to do.

P.S. Took me about an hour to type all this.

[ April 16, 2017, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: JP ]

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 16, 2017, 02:49 PM:

^^^^ And there ya go...awsome post.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 16, 2017, 04:04 PM:

You can say that again!

JP, considering your problem and all, that's a post to be proud of and one we understand and value.

See, I know you guys are out there! So now, folks like Paul will take up the slack and give you more stuff to read about.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: and Brent and Vic. Come on guys, break in easy, once a week? [Roll Eyes]

[ April 16, 2017, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 16, 2017, 04:09 PM:

My take is this:

This (HM) can be a very intimidating place for some callers, I think. As you have said Leonard, most of the membership here are experts at their craft. For someone to come on and talk about their first bobcat kill might not feel too welcome.

A few years ago I had invited a friend to join here. He signed up, and Leonard approved his membership. My friend (he is retired living in Wyoming) tried a few posts and nobody responded to him. He reached out to me and said he wouldn't be coming here anymore. Oh well.. I guess I felt a little responsible for my friend not getting a warm welcome and things not working out here. But I didn't say anything because I understand the culture here, and it's really none of my business as to how that culture reflects on others.

This is indeed a rough crowd. Post against the "norm" and you get pounced on. Believe me, I know I asked for it with the cop threads. As a matter of fact, I enjoyed the challenge. But most people want to post for the social aspect and not the challenge, if you know what I mean. Especially for someone who just wants to post about coyote calling, or machine guns, or whatever.

I'm not complaining though. I like it here, and is the reason I keep coming back even though I don't have a whole lot in common with you guys, and I'm not near in the same class of callers as you guys are.

But Leonard asked for feedback, and I am being as honest as possible, from what I have been seeing. Hope I didn't offend anyone.

[ April 16, 2017, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]

Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on April 16, 2017, 06:15 PM:

JP,

Thanks for your service and WELOME HOME MAN!!!!

~SH~

Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on April 16, 2017, 07:40 PM:

INDEED, Thank you for your service JP!!! Great post!!

4949 you are quite the regular here! When you first came rolling in here several years ago I suspected you might not stay. But you have the determination and thick skinnedness as Krusty!!
The past couple of years I have kind of become more of a lurker than a poster but I have always enjoyed your contribution here.

If Huntmasters closed down, I would feel like I lost a lot of good friends. As someone mentioned before, it's amazing how well you get to know people just from their Forum posts. After years it's like everyone becomes friends.

I would love the opportunity to meet all of the members here personally; that would really be phenomenal!!

Leonard, you've got yourself a pretty cozy house here. Thanks for making us all feel at home; you do a great job!

[ April 16, 2017, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: Locohead ]

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 16, 2017, 08:05 PM:

I agree with 49, have to say. It's true to some degree..intimidating is the word I hear the most regarding this forum. Just sayin.

Mark

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 17, 2017, 03:51 AM:

Leonard, me & my brother had a 55gal. tank with rift lake cichlids. It all started with finding a used tank at a garage sale, and it was all down hill from there! I remember saving up our paper route money to get the specialized stuff needed for the rift lake cichlids...under-gravel filter, rocks & coral, special gravel, pH test kits, etc. Heck, we even got a special black light fluorescent hood to enhance the fish' "electric" colors. Like this guy:

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2017, 06:39 AM:

Yeah, Fred. Can be much satisfaction in a project like that.

49, the way you describe your friend and that he felt "stiffed" by this crowd. That offends and saddens me. First of all, I have no recollection whatsoever, but what was his motivation? Was he looking to form some kind of life long bond with another human, or what? I don't think the problem was on our end. I think it's just like any place where A types congregate. You don't have to prove anything, or worry about it.

I think he may have been one post away from satisfaction but he gave up too soon. You wouldn't believe how much stories like this bothers me because these are the type we need. The reason is that when you have 5,000 killers standing around, there ain't much to talk about. But if the novice asks, maybe in the right way or persistently, he will get his answers and a feeling of belonging.

By the way, one of the emails from these guys I don't know that seem to be upset that DAA is wasting his time talking to that fake red frog....anyway, right out of left field the guy says; yeah, and Lone Howl spends way too much time on PM! So, there you go, can't please everybody.

Now, who takes the time to write to a total stranger and someone else participating on a message board I haven't visited 6 times in ten years, I don't have a clue. But Lone Howl; take note, somebody out there doesn't like your behavior. Straighten up and fly right, as my momma used to say!

I guess we are all a bunch of immature assholes, but I'm partial to our particular group of assholes. Damn, it's been years since the last "Board War". I saw something about the membership at PM is at 57,000! That's a lot of assholes!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: meant to comment about something 49 said. In a nutshell, we need to figure out how to soften the "intimidation" aspects, although It actually flies right over my head, unrecognizable. So, think about it, people.

[ April 17, 2017, 06:44 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 17, 2017, 07:10 AM:

lol. totally predictable ex-PM "staff" and HM wannabe.
But yeah..Im going over there right now.
Mark

[ April 17, 2017, 07:18 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 17, 2017, 08:03 AM:

Way I see it is this:

Ya can't please everyone, and ya certainly don't hafta like 'em, either.

If someone finds a 'happy place' on the interwebs to fit in and/or find enjoyment, who is anyone else to begrudge that? Or, bitch about it?

I'll tell ya who. A miserable/jealous/vengeful/hateful type of person, that's who. That said, it don't seem like the type who'd do well here, anyhoo. Blessing in disguise that they didn't join the board to bitch...

Fuck em.

[ April 17, 2017, 08:06 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2017, 08:13 AM:

Fred, I'm surprised of your sensitivity.

I was going to leave it at that, but for the sake of harmony, and if harmony is desirous, can a few of our deep thinkers give the issue some thought, then offer direction and guidance? We could use it.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 17, 2017, 08:54 AM:

Just sayin' Leonard, that it seems like most members here are of the "live and let live" sort. To think that anyone here actually gives two shits about who posts what, and where, runs contrary to that opinion...

But, I could be way off?

Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on April 17, 2017, 09:41 AM:

I am in the ranks of the banned, persona non-grata over at the PMS board. Can't even remember what I did to get in that group, but don't miss it.

Listening to some guys here that I hold in high regard, Tony Tebbe has no credibility to me at all.

I think there are many here who have more coyote calling and hunting experience than the whole group of '57,000' registered members of that site.

I know a little about a lot of things, and coyote hunting is in that category. I just know that being here has helped me become a better caller and hunter by listening and learning.

God gave us two ears and one mouth, and they should be used in proportion. Unfortunately, some folks don't subscribe to that advice.

Put me in the category of helping out financially if you need it, LB. I like this site, the guys here, and want to make sure it stays around!

Just my humble two cents...

[ April 17, 2017, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: booger ]

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 17, 2017, 11:00 AM:

Leonard, I do think my buddy was one post away from staying. And I think he would have fit right in if he had. I was actually waiting for your usual "Welcome Post," but it never came. I think that maybe you just missed his posts and never saw him. I believe that would have done the trick.

He is a retired cop and isn't the sensitive type. He is more of the frustrated with people type after having worked in law enforcement all those years. I can understand in that respect.

His user name was Wyominglooks, or Wyolooks, or something similar.

Anyway, I just thought you would like (or appreciate) some honest feed back.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 17, 2017, 11:21 AM:

Yes, 49 I do appreciate it. I "try" to do the "welcome" coincidental with the member's first post. But, this is a one man operation, and like now, I just got out of the hospital Saturday, and my phone is really difficult to monitor Huntmasters like it needs. I fuck up and miss, (overlook) some website duties once in a while. On the other hand, I do not delegate, so whatever happens is my fault, I can't blame it on some appointed moderator. If there are two people in charge, there will be two opinions, if there are three moderators, there will be three different ways to handle a situation. I do the best I can with what I have, and that's it. One thing you can be sure of, I will try to be fair to everybody. I probably fail on that issue occasionally, but even Ted Williams only batted .406 lifetime.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 17, 2017, 12:58 PM:

Nobody is perfect, Leonard. We all have lives and other responsibilities.

I think I can speak for everyone here in that we appreciate all you do.

Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on April 17, 2017, 05:37 PM:

This forum has a life of it's own. The usuals here are guys that have done a lot of calling, know they have that in common, and just touch base once in a while to see what's going on. It has never been a "what is the best call to use" kind of site.

The traffic can really slow down at times and that is prolly when 49's buddy posted. What he may have saw as rejection might actually have been a very slow time. I have tried to answer questions on other sites if they go unnoticed but usually someone is quick to help.

I have a large Rubbermaid tote loaded with just about every coyote study that has ever been done. Also have a lot of good reference material such as "Wild Furbearer Management and Conservation in North America" which is one of the first things I would grab in a fire. Someday, perhaps on a rainy day, I will try to post some really interesting biological information on coyotes. A quick one that comes to mind was an ear tag study that showed an average dispersion of 25 miles. Stuff like that.

Ray Alcorn did some really interesting research on coyote vocalizations.

Some day but not right now.

~SH~

Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on April 17, 2017, 07:01 PM:

One reason I'm here is because I don't have to read the constant "new at his and need some help" posts that are rampant on another site that I won't name. I go there sometimes but seldom post. As far as posting hunting threads here I seriously doubt that I could say anything that most of the members here don't already know.

Unfortunately my health took a serious downturn last year and I'm not able to get out but even if I did I doubt that I would be posting kill shots. Something unusual, yes, but not every hunt. I do enjoy it when someone else posts.

Something else I like is that the people here aren't the kind that are just looking for the next thing to kill. Guys here are experienced hunters and sportsmen and I'm glad to be part if it.

Leonard......if I haven't thanked you before I'm doing it now.

BTW.......I'll back Dave all the way.

Posted by Grizz (Member # 4626) on April 17, 2017, 07:29 PM:

I'll try to contribute more Leonard. I don't go one PM much these days I spend a lot of time on the Corvette forum and the Colt Collectors. I have to admit I do feel just slightly intimidated with this site I can't quite put my finger on as to a reason why. I thoroughly enjoyed the post a while back on the old CVCA jacket. Maybe I'll dust mine off and post a few photos of it sometime. No way I'll ever fit into it again. Regards, Rick

Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on April 17, 2017, 08:51 PM:

Leonard. I just noticed the hospital comment.

The rest of all this shit is trivial, compared to ones health.

I hope all is well..

Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 17, 2017, 10:26 PM:

Yes I agree with the rest of you guys, this is the only forum I look at anymore. Especially as life gets so busy these days this is just a great place to come and enjoy a few minutes knowing you're not going to get asked some of the nonsense questions asked on other sites and also the guys sticking there chests out on how great they are. Most all the guys on here are as Leonard said "been there done that". Just a great group of guys talking shop. Thanks Leonard for providing a great place to hang out and visit.

Good Hunting Chad

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on April 18, 2017, 04:56 AM:

damn, we got off topic long ago, I guess that's allowed here on like other forums, so let me get back on topic, here's my complaint about DAA, why the heck is the date on my last coyote calendar 2015? Dammit, get busy and put out another calendar Dave.

PS- I, like the rest that hang out here, enjoy it because were mostly cut of the same cloth. Been down the road enough miles that we've all done most of what there is to do and can relate. I appreciate you keeping the doors open Leonard, Thanks.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2017, 05:34 AM:

Appreciate the comments.

Another email from somebody I never heard of, but the same, disappointed that DAA would stoop so low as to be conversing with Redfrog as an equal. Why these people give a shit, I don't know, but none of them are really trashing Dave, they all seem to have a huge hard on for Redfrog? Myself, Redfrog never bothered me in the same way that Martha Stewart doesn't bother me. I barely know he exists.

Yes Moe, I've been having a few problems of late, myself. Wow, seems like it wasn't too many years ago I still thought I was immortal?

Forgive me, I don't want to get personal but I want to say something about Huntmasters and our members. I really believe this is a unique group with somewhat similar interests. Besides the obvious. I am fortunate to know you fellas, even if it is only via the printed word. But, you can get to know people by the way they express themselves. I am an open book, if you guys don't know me by now, you haven't been paying attention. So, along the same lines, I develop impressions about those of us I haven't met personally, and it's uniformly good. I'd put you guys up against any group and you'd come up winners.

A small confession. I didn't kill a single coyote this year. I have pursued various predators continuously since the early 60's. Not this year. I pay a lot of money to belong to the West End Gun Club and have not fired a shot since last summer. Enough of that....but I still know what's going on. And, don't ask.

I'm going to renew with GoDaddy, I just wondered if there was an interest out there, mainly because the traffic has dropped off. I think a lot of you feel the same as I do, that it's nice to connect here. Just a little bit of input, now and then would make me happy. Like, Jiminaz, where the hell is he? Didn't even say good bye! And, I like him, consider him a friend. Just check in now and then; then I won't wonder what I did to piss him off?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on April 18, 2017, 06:42 AM:

The complaints about me conversing with red frog, well, I have problems with that, on a couple of levels. But, whatever.

One thing though, I just don't get. Why is it, that I'm not even aware of this "conversing" I'm taking part in, that has some people concerned?

Honestly, I didn't know, still don't know, what the fuck they are even talking about.

But, like I said. Whatever...

I'm going to post where I want and talk to whoever I want. People can have a problem with that if they wish, I'm okay with that. I'd be even more okay with them having a problem with me if one of these concerned citizens bright it up with me. But complaining about who I talk to, to a third party, well, draw your own conclusions and they'll probably be pretty close to what I think about it.

- DAA

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2017, 07:37 AM:

Dave, like I've said repeatedly, you are overreacting. You wouldn't last a day in my job, I get thoughtful criticisms and baseless criticisms and everything in between, regularly. What I should do and what I shouldn't do. And, I respond to half of it and ignore half of it. You need to let this roll off as childish prattle.

Ignore the bullshit. Yes, you are free to chat with people like Redfrog any time you choose. For some reason we have people sending me email, people that I don't know, never heard of, and can't figure out why in the hell they are bothering me? They seem to think that you are such a fount of brilliance, that it's a criminal waste of your talent to participate as an equal with somebody described as "scum". That's a compliment, Amigo. It's nothing to fret about because you certainly are free to talk to the man and treat him civilly, if that's the way others look at it?

I will concede that I probably shouldn't have brought this shit up, to begin with, had I known your reaction. So, for that, I apologize....but I'm not taking it down. Just relax.

Don't you ever get hate mail? I'm envious because I do, without even trying. But. This stuff is NOT hate mail, not even close. It's the GOOD, (you) the BAD and the UGLY, (Red frog). Chill, Bro! And, I hope you are feeling better, on a personal and physical level.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 18, 2017, 07:49 AM:

People recognize Dave is the real deal. Very knowledgeable and a "do-er" and we all live vicariously thru him in some instances.

Not so much for Redfrog. Universally recognized as a fraud coyote hunter riding the coattails of PM.

On one hand its nice that guys, even weaseley ones, are concerned about Daves welfare, but I still dont get why that would constitute an email to the headmaster at HM? Really weird.

People are taking this internet forum shit way to serious in some ways.

Full disclosure..Im not as famous as Dave..or TT..but I did pony up the 125 bucks over there to sell some calls. First post I tripled that and made about 1500 bucks that week. So PM has its good points? Actually a lot of good guys over there, and they dont really care for the admin either btw.

Mark

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2017, 08:28 AM:

I didn't know that? They charge to advertise your product on PM? It will never happen here. Some people take advantage of the opportunity, but not enough. I'm glad that you do, even though we can't match what a 57,000 membership can do for you.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 18, 2017, 09:14 AM:

All about the money there. Not saying I blame them I guess? If you have the traffic, you have the traffic...charge for it I guess. But there are small time guys like me paying 650 bucks (or whatever it is now) to have a banner and be able to openly promote themselves and their products. Maybe it is working for them, but from what I see and hear thru the grapevine...it aint. Some doing out of loyalty perhaps.
But then again..cant be real sure about anything over there?

I signed up just for kicks, to see what all the hub bub was about in the call selling arena. Not as super duper as people let on, but like I say, some good guys that like to talk about and buy calls, and thats all I was interested in.

In all honesty, I have no axe to grind over there anymore, and like I said earlier, aint taking this forum shit to seriously anyways.

If HM folded though, not sure Id even mess with the predator hunting forums anymore.

Mark

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 18, 2017, 10:49 AM:

Okay, just got off the phone with GoDaddy website hosting, and domain.

I just charged $271.52 on my Discover Card. I think includes a good driver discount? [Smile]

For your information, only. I'm not complaining and not soliciting.

LB

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 18, 2017, 11:43 AM:

That seems to be a pretty reasonable time spent / $$ ratio.
What do the golfers pay these days for Greens Fees ???

Posted by Grizz (Member # 4626) on April 18, 2017, 07:14 PM:

Don't feel bad Leonard I spent 7 days in the field this season and only kilt 1 coyote and that was right before daylight on my first night out back on the November hunt and I almost didn't find him. Pair of eyes came bounding in just as it started to get light in the East. I was just about to quit the 20 minute stand. I had the rifle in one hand and the light in the other. He was coming in head down at a slight quarter around 130 yards I can't remember if he stopped seems like he didn't bang sounded good. unloaded the Sako, put the laser out there, grabbed a flashlight. By the time I got out to where I thought he was, nada. I looked for 30 minutes. I'm thinking what the hell that sounded to good to be a miss. So I set a small rock in the branch of a tree went back to the rig, shot hit the rock rifle was on. Wilst looking in that direction I started thinking maybe he is on the next little ridge over so I went back out the and found him hit between the eyes. For the rest of the season stand after stand day and night nada. It was freaking brutal. I did see a couple of coyotes at night but by the time I got the light in one hand lined up with the rifle in the other,gone. I was thinking that I would see many cats this year due to the CA trapping ban. I saw one cat earlier the same night I shot the coyote but he was really moving and I could not get him stopped for the shot. Anyway I don't know what the problem is out here maybe the drought, over hunting which one of these. I hunted the Preserve, the Owens valley, down off the I-10 the usual. Should have hunted Nevada a few times but that's a long way when you hunting by your lonesome. Here's a photo of the coyote. I have to look at it from time to time as a reminder of what one looks like. Rick
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Posted by Alaskan Yoter (Member # 169) on April 18, 2017, 10:20 PM:

What I love most about this sight is the no frills, no fluff, no bullshit, straight shooting mentality of the group as a whole. It’s a refreshing escape these days from an overly sensitive me type of society.
I do a lot of reading here and I find a lot of nuggets. Some direct and some I just have to read between the lines for, but they are there. This, I deeply appreciate.
It’s akin to sitting around the family poker table as a kid and watching the grown-ups play. I learned a lot just observing and listening. (You’re my grown-ups. Except Leonard, he’s like a grandpa figure to me. [Big Grin]

)

Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on April 19, 2017, 08:24 AM:

Redfrog is reviled on PM. Trouble is he isn't just a moderator there. He's one of the owners.

I get a little tired of the mentality over there. Guys getting indignant about so much irrelevant crap.

Or the guy who shot his neighbor's cat and posted dead tabby pictures like a hero. Then there was the guy from around where I live who posted some dead bobcat pictures. Trouble was he shot them out of season. When I pointed that out PM took the pics down.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2017, 10:49 AM:

You know, I have told this story before, but back in 2001 when I was the chief administrator of Predator Masters, we had the first Globe Rendezvous. It was heavily advertised and the ruling elite solicited donations for door prizes. There were several firearms donated and a lot of the usual gear. Me personally, I wanted those door prizes to be won by the members and the guides but was outvoted. It was sort of like a democracy, back then. So, they sold tickets and made thousands of dollars from donated merchandise which I thought was dishonest.

So, even then, those people looked at PM as a money maker. I left shortly afterwards, and that's one of the reasons why I don't allow advertising on Huntmasters and won't be outvoted by a committee. That's the lesson I learned.

Seems like there were some people that advocated for a long time to have a complete survey and audit of the whole financial situation at Predator Masters. Whatever happened to that?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 19, 2017, 12:59 PM:

I found the alleged DAA / Redfrog thread. I won't post a link, but it is a thread on Longer range shotgun hunting for predators, if anyone is interested.

DAA and Redfrog are not conversing. They just happen to be posting in the same thread.

I ain't no detective, but it took me less than 5 minutes to find it.

Some people just gotta stir up scat on the internet, I guess.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2017, 03:15 PM:

I could have posted the link. Don't know why I didn't?

But, yes, I know that they didn't have a personal conversation, these people are just upset that a genuine expert like Dave is interacting obliquely with Redfrog, who has limited ability and experience. But, that's the kind of guy Dave is, he even talks to me once in a while.

Good hunting El Bee

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 19, 2017, 04:32 PM:

Dave we think the world of you so did this moron obviously , he is a Red fraud hater let it go I ran into red fraud on fb we exchanged insults and moved on. I stiil have valid ids on pm who knew !

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 19, 2017, 04:36 PM:

I wasn't sure if you would have appreciated the link (from that forum) to be posted here, Leonard.

The pic of the coyote with it's eyeballs bulging out in the TSS Round 2 thread was pretty good though.

Posted by Grizz (Member # 4626) on April 19, 2017, 06:15 PM:

Damn! I guess I posted this story and photo in the wrong section...

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 19, 2017, 08:13 PM:

Rick, that's another thing. We who run this place don't give a shit about posting your comments in the appropriate forum. And, we don't care if you are "off topic" either. The committee is me and I say you can post whatever you want, anywhere you want and not worry about some chickenshit Moderator busting your balls.

Cool, huh?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Grizz (Member # 4626) on April 19, 2017, 09:32 PM:

Well that's nice to know Leonard. I have my balls busted at work on a regular basis by some Viet Cong dyke I have to answer to.

Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 21, 2017, 05:58 AM:

Leonard,
I don't post much as I don't really feel I have much to offer when you look at guys like, Cal, Scott and Vic. Then there is Kelly, Dave and Chad.

Plenty of great coyote men on here and one of the reasons I check pretty often.

I see guys that kill 6 to 12 pretty often and I very seldom kill numbers like that unless I have steel in the ground. I manage to kill 2 or 3 most mornings and I am very happy with that. Persistence is my friend, I get out most every day from Nov.1 to June 31st. Either calling, trapping or some type of dog work.

I would enjoy reading that info on coyote vocals, that and coyote behavior are one area that always seems to have my interest.

Brent

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 21, 2017, 06:23 AM:

You are right, Brent. These guys are awesome, we are so lucky to have them!

But, just to give you a little insight as to how petty these lurkers can be; just this morning I got another complaint email. The guy said: "would you please ask Dave to shave that damned porn mustache!" signed Randy South.

I don't know him? But, I'll take his word for it because I don't have any idea what a "porn" mustache looks like? However, Dave has earned that wild "stash" and I'm not about to ask him to trim it to civilized proportions. (he hates attention, I know that much) lol

Just think. All of this entertainment is free, and keeps our members out of the Honky Tonks, wasting money and chasing easy women.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by www (Member # 3918) on April 21, 2017, 06:59 AM:

Leonard, I appreciate the time and effort that it takes for you to run this board. I'm not much of a poster but do enjoy reading what others have to say.

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 21, 2017, 01:16 PM:

What happened to Mongo? Haven't heard from him in a while..

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 21, 2017, 02:44 PM:

Dont know? Prolly parole violation? Just kidding. Lots of these guys need to check in so we can call off the search party.

Same ol, same ol excuse; "I don't have anything to say, so I just read" <shrug> Then we wonder what the problem might be? They could be held captive, for ransom, by Blonde Amazons. And yet we never know?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Bomba (Member # 71) on April 22, 2017, 03:03 PM:

Bomba laughing.
Bomba ask chief who Tony TeleTubby is.
Chief say:

quote:

Nobody.

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 22, 2017, 03:14 PM:

lol

Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 22, 2017, 03:15 PM:

lol...some more.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 22, 2017, 04:46 PM:

Yes, and whatever happened to that Jay Nistetter? Another nobody? He should give me a call, one of these days. I need to get all knowed up on AZ scuttlebutt.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on April 22, 2017, 05:37 PM:

Hey Leonard. Haven't been involved in any clubs for several years now and don't stay informed. Suits me fine.
No coyote photos to share from this end. Haven't shot an Arizona coyote in probably 5 years now. I typically go to Texas 3 or 4 times a year to take care of the coyote addiction but generally end up shooting hogs and fishing instead. Did manage a couple epic trips to Florida for gator. What fun. Some crazy people there. Wading out into the water after you shoot a gator to retrieve it after it sinks. Somotimes they're NOT dead. Insane.
Anyhow I still visit your place 3 or 4 times a week as I'm sure you know. Just got fed up here with clubs and went dark.
Still affiliated with FOXPRO and help on TV show from each time to time.
Started selling some of my old never-used firearms but that didn't work out because I have acquired more than I sold.
Ended the Rhinocalls.com business a year ago because it was nothing but a headache.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

Please overlook the typo autocorrect. Two fat fingers on a tablet is challenging.

[ April 22, 2017, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: Jay Nistetter ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 22, 2017, 06:25 PM:

Always welcome here, Jay. Nice to hear from you!

Good huntng. El Bee

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 23, 2017, 11:29 AM:

I'm really slow, but suddenly dawned on me that my Rhino Calls have suddenly become Valuable Historical Heirlooms!

I might even be able to purchase that new truck I thought I couldn't afford? Hot Damn! Hello, EBay?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Grizz (Member # 4626) on April 23, 2017, 02:10 PM:

Leonard, what ever came of that green Dodge with the Pullman camper you use to own? I always was impressed with that rig. Rick

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 23, 2017, 03:29 PM:

You are talking about a 1974 Dodge W100 Power Wagon.

Interestingly, mine originally belonged to the Legendary Lyle Brookover. Both he and Steve Sundeen bought identical trucks and duplicated the modifications every step of the way, including that bulletproof Pullman Camper with the walk through cab. Steve sold his to Ricky Orelli Jr and I bought Lyle's. I don't know about the other one but mine has more than 500,000 miles on it.

It's set up and optimized for night hunting. There is not a thing missing, all the night hunting features you ever thought of and I guarantee, quite a few more!

It has a 360 V8 and of course, it's 4 wheel drive w/transfer on the floor, has three gas tanks, 36 gallon in the back, and twin 8.5 gallon saddle tanks. Has a perfect hatch and rack set up. Between me and Lyle, this rig has probably accounted for XX, XXX coyotes.

It's always been a bit heavy with drum brakes, they came out with disc in '75, and it does not stop on a dime. With the lift kit, and the subsequent angles on the drive shafts, the U-Joints need to be changed regularly. That's it, brake shoes and U-Joints need attention and I always have spares on board for pretty much everything, hoses and V belts, etc.

I think I'd sell it if offered $2500. No air, of course. But, as a hunting rig, it's right at the pinnacle of development for night hunting, every stealth feature you can imagine, including paint.

Hell, those steel Pullman Campers, two guys can stand on the roof, they are built like a tank and originally, back in '75 cost $3500, but the company went out of business a long time ago, they are scarce as hen's teeth these days. And, by the way, it's permanently mounted, cannot be removed.

This engine has a problem which is why I parked it almost four years ago. It doesn't have many miles on it, a long block, estimate less than 10,000 miles but I think it slipped a tooth on the timing chain and haven't messed with it since. The trans is recent rebuilt because the torque converter blew up and ruined it but those 727's are strong transmissions. It's got a lot of hunting left in it but with my son and grandson in Colorado, that's my crew, and I'm not up to doing the work alone, these days. It's a good solid truck. The things it can do would amaze. Especially stealth mode. Nobody ever knows you are there.

Damn, it's a good truck!

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Grizz (Member # 4626) on April 23, 2017, 06:31 PM:

Last time I seen Lyle was at Rick's service. Man those two could sure hunt. A few years before that I was on a hunt with Joe Vickers we were down in Yuma it was a Saturday around noon and the guys had to stop at a local sporting goods store. I sat shotgun and waited in the cab with the window down my right arm was laying on the door when some man walked up grabbed my arm with both hands. I was a split second from saying "Mister, you better get your fucking hands off me". It took a few seconds recognize Lyle. I aint seen him in a while. We got caught up seems to me he said he had retired down there. Rick

Posted by Grizz (Member # 4626) on April 23, 2017, 06:41 PM:

Leonard, I'll push your rig whenever the opportunity comes up to the guys in National and anyone else I think may be looking for a rig. Yours is a solid vehicle. I wonder how Steve and Jenny are? Rick

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 24, 2017, 06:12 AM:

The last time I saw Lyle was at Rick's funeral. At the gravesite, talked to him for a couple hours? I don't think there is anyone that knows that border area from Yuma to Tucson better than Lyle. You know, there are no signs down there, and roads change due to conditions, washouts, etc. with many "go arounds" but it's damned easy to get totally lost down there and you can accidentally wind up in Mexico if you're not careful. I've hopped the fence to get/retrieve a Mexican coyote before. You do get a little nervous. Probably not worth the trouble, these days? Definitely not worth the trouble but it's a coyote hunter's Paradise.

Ah yes, strolling down Memory Lane!

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: I don't think Steve and Ginny hunt anymore? They ride Harley's now.

[ April 24, 2017, 06:13 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Grizz (Member # 4626) on April 24, 2017, 03:11 PM:

Yep this is sparking many memories of the old guard. Rick

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 25, 2017, 05:09 AM:

As far as Steve and Ginny riding Harley's now, instead of hunting....like it's a transition from one phase to another, might as well be stamp collecting, just something for the spare time, like Bowling League.

I have run into folks I haven't seen in years, decades maybe, and they usually say something like: "you still doing that"? As if it's a phase, or something a sane person should grow out of.

I don't know about you folks but predator hunting ain't no damned "phase" with me. It's kinda like a life long commitment. Or, a dedication. I never thought that I'd "get over it" and don't expect to.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 25, 2017, 05:52 AM:

I cant imagine not hunting. Its a permanent part of me. I ride motorcycles as well always have couldn't give that up either.

Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 25, 2017, 06:12 AM:

Yeah it definitely is a life long deal with me too. Some times wish it weren't. All the damned money I've spent doing it over the years. But I still love it. Now for different reasons than in years past. Used to be all about killing as many as possible. Now I've slowed down a bit and am just enjoying getting out after them and seeing new country.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 25, 2017, 06:14 AM:

Not hunt ????
I don't understand.
Isn't that like Not Breathe ????

[Confused]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 25, 2017, 06:33 AM:

I imagine I could be well off if I didn't hunt? It's like they describe a boat as a hole in the ground that you throw money in.

Quite a few years ago, a bunch of us were sitting around waiting for check in and talking about the money we have spent on such a non monumental thing as hunting coyotes. Went around the circle and every one of them estimated they could have bought a very nice house with the money, instead. But, then what? Where's that sense of satisfaction? Scratching the itch is not optional. I'd call up my buddy and get right to the point: "I need to kill something". I mean, not really, but at least the possibility of killing something. I think it's called, PURSUIT?

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on April 25, 2017, 11:25 AM:

The cost per coyote is staggering when you add everything up.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 25, 2017, 11:53 AM:

When we used to go to Mexico, considering all the hassle, extra trips firearm inspections, permits and of course the money. The Mexicans wouldn't waste a 22 rimfire on something they couldn't eat and looked at us like we were stark raving idiots. Of course, they never said it, but we knew what they thought about what we did and the time we wasted doing it and the money involved, which they knew, (Mexicans understand money) but didn't understand hunting coyotes; when you can just throw rocks at them, which is what they do.

No, hunting coyotes in Mexico is lunacy. Ask any Mexican. They can be diplomatic but you can tell what they really think.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 25, 2017, 05:39 PM:

Bomba!

Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on April 26, 2017, 01:20 AM:

You know, hunting ,or calling, coyotes has been a lifelong persuit ever since I got my first call when I was 12 years old and went out to my aunts ranch out by Tahachapi.That was in 1962. Never ever dreamed I would still be doing it for ever.I've run hounds ,hunted big game etc. But calling up a coyote and fooling it with a mouth blown whistle has never lost it's charm. I have used electronic callers but it just isn't the same as calling one right into your lap with a mouth blown call. And then there's all the other critters you call up that always seemed to amaze me. I don't care if I shoot one so much anymore as enjoy fooling them for some new guy or old friend for that matter. Like I said I never thought it would ever be a lifelong hobby that has brought me more pleasure than I can describe.

Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 26, 2017, 04:28 AM:

I've been blessed to have done a bunch of cool shit, too. Still, there are few things more exhilarating than sitting on stand and catching that first glimpse of a coyote who just put skin in the game!!!

If anything, I appreciate and enjoy calling even more, now that some years of experience have sunk in & helped to level out the initial adrenaline spike of seeing one on the way!!!

Imagine that first stand of the morning. You and a good buddy sip coffee in the dark. When time is right, you ease out of the truck, real quiet-like, grab your gear & head out to set your trap...

Conditions are perfect, just a breath of wind, the Sun about to paint fire on the horizon. You both analyze the terrain as it opens before you. Without a word, each knows where to sit, and what their partner will do...

Settling in as a new day blossoms, the anticipation builds. You figure shooting lanes and how a coyote might use the terrain to approach...

When shooting light arrives, the lure is thrown. Soft sounds of misery permeate the dawn. Any sign of movement draws a razor focus of attention...

Then...THERE HE IS!

Mr. Wiley, himself!!!

The scene unfolds, a lip-squeek to confirm with your partner. Both see him now, and begin to fine tune in expectation of a shot...

300yds....250....200...gettin' ready now. The slight breeze stays true, you will not be betrayed...

Is Mr. Wiley alone? Got a partner in tow?

Mr. Wiley stops to burn a hole at your location with those yellow eyes. But the breaking dawn makes it hard on him.
He circles the wind, to steal a sniff...

Inside 150 now, looks like he's alone.

Mr. Wiley checks up once again. He's seen enough, or nothing at all. Either way, he's about to take his toys & go home. BUT...he stops broadside for one last glance...

You've been tracking him in the scope. Safety is off, the pad of your finger begins to touch the ribs of the trigger shoe. As Mr. Wiley stops, your crosshairs settle in, and that last bit of pressure breaks the sear...

BOOM!

Mr. Wiley never knew what hit him. You rack the bolt, catching your precious brass, as your eyes pan & scan for any flashes of fur. The smell of burnt powder lingers in the damp morning air. You check again, and Mr. Wiley is stone dead, just where he once stood...

A few more minutes of misery, until a whistle breaks the stand. You & your buddy meet, share a grin of satisfaction & maybe slap on the back...

"Let's do that...AGAIN"!!!

HOW CAN THAT EVER GET OLD???

[ April 26, 2017, 04:33 AM: Message edited by: knockemdown ]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 26, 2017, 05:18 AM:

Somebody explain it to me? How come calling/hunting coyotes is totally different from any other? Sometimes they talk about Woodcock, or Big Horn Sheep, or Sable Antelope as being so special. None of them you can think of can grab a man's attention beyond all reason, basically, forever?

That's something I figured out a long time ago while engaged in other pursuits, be it Deer Hunting or Bass Fishing. I knew what stirred the juices but didn't know why? It's always a challenge, never really routine, even the chip shots.

I always described it as, "THE FEVER". You either "get it" or ya don't.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Wiley E (Member # 108) on April 26, 2017, 06:43 AM:

It is the difference between pursuing vs being pursued. That is the difference.

~SH~

Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on April 26, 2017, 07:59 AM:

Bird hunting was my first love but when I started hunting coyotes that changed. I remember the guy who taught me how to call shooting a bobcat one night. I was in total awe. I couldn't keep my eyes off of that cat. That very night I killed my first coyote. I was totally hooked.

I used to be a contract cable splicer and would get laid off for a while every Fall so I bought all of the equipment I needed to become a waterfowl hunting guide and it paid the bills but predator hunting was still in my blood. Seems I always come back to it.

I've killed numerous deer in SE Alaska as well as mt goats and caribou father north. Loved hunting ptarmigan and grouse and the great thing about it was you ate what you killed. Yet the excitement of hunting coyotes tops everything else.

Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on April 26, 2017, 08:11 AM:

I cannot imagine my life without hunting. Being a banker has given me the opportunity to interact with quite a few people over the years.

When I tell them I am from Western Kansas, they ask me what we do for fun 'out there'...when I tell them I shoot and hunt, they look at me the same way my dog did when I make a funny noise.

They tilt their heads, furrow their brows and look at me like I am an alien.

I think we have bred out the age old instinct to provide for one's self. The age of the smart phone totin', skinny jean wearin', latte sippin' metro-sexual wussy is the new order of the day it seems.

I have noticed in my hunter education classes that a lot of 30 something guys are taking the class as they have never been introduced to the hunting and shooting sports.

It is good they are getting involved, but it makes me wonder where they were in the first place...and these are people that grew up in this area.

Growing up here in pheasant country, I have been fortunate enough to be able to have literally shot dump truck loads of birds over the years. My deer 'hunting' has turned into deer 'shooting'. I bag a fat doe each year to give me my snack-stick and jerky fix.

Predator hunting is my passion, even though I may suck at it, there is still nothing that gets my heart pumping like seeing a coyote come to the call...it never gets old!

I just know that I was kicking around the pickup with my dad as early as 4 years old when he went pheasant and coyote hunting.

I am sure in some people's eyes, exposing a 4 year old to what I enjoyed back then would be considered child abuse.

My how times have changed...

[ April 26, 2017, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: booger ]

Posted by 92soggy (Member # 4362) on April 28, 2017, 06:13 PM:

Very good description Fred, captured it to a T.
Only difference is we use a suppressor out here in civilized country so there is much of the "boom" [Smile]

Posted by 92soggy (Member # 4362) on April 28, 2017, 06:14 PM:

Is Not much of a boom is what I meant.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 28, 2017, 06:31 PM:

I can't have a suppressor in The People's Republik.

Washington is the "civilized" country? Being polite, I will leave that alone.

However, it's a fact that that state is the most Liberal in the Country. Or, maybe a tie with Hawaii?

Don't mind me, soggy. But we do have to stand up for what we believe in. Peace.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by 92soggy (Member # 4362) on April 28, 2017, 06:55 PM:

Well you're right about that Leonard, but eastern Washington is like Northern California and east Oregon. King county pretty well runs the whole state.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2017, 05:04 AM:

Well, why didn't you say so? I think Spokane is a hell of a nice town.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 21, 2017, 06:54 PM:

"It is the difference between pursuing vs being pursued. That is the difference."

That's the allure of predator hunting. From the moment you start calling to the slap of lead to flesh, you're doing both. I used to do it all, at the same time. Trapline during the day until running hounds at night. Fishing, archery, etc., etc.. I hung the rest up to do what I enjoy most and what I feel I am most proficient at. When people ask me why, I just tell them I don't hunt anything that can't hunt me back.

Sad that more people don't visit here. One of the keys to learning is the ability to shoulder criticism. This is the sort of place where you need to be able to defend every word you post. If you're thin skinned, that's gonna be hard on you, and it seems a lot of people are awfully think skinned these days and simply looking for a fight. It's best to look at the barrage of challenge barks you get when first posting here as a Socratic style of learning. Sometimes, the replies are meant to redirect you to the truth. Other times, to steer you from your errors. And yet others, to compel you to look at your own strategies and methodologies so you can find your way to getting better on your own terms.

As far as visiting sites, for me, I spend a lot less time online these days. Too many real world problems to juggle, but my internet presence has evolved from the days when I sat here every evening surfing through a handful of different hunting sites to the present where I rarely check email unless I'm expecting something, and do most of my device-related communicating via text messaging. I even scaled back my social media time a LOT by giving the lion's share of my "Friends" list the ax once I realized how many people in this world think being your Facebook friend is enough of a commitment to keep the connection going. I've faced some real challenges in the past few years and those sorts can take their thumbs up emoticon "Like" and shove it up their "don't be calling me when you need help" ass.

I may be bitter. That's just me.

One thing is always constant, though. I know that I can always come here, read the comments of like minded people whose commentary always offers me insight into the issues of the day and help me to formulate solid, informed opinions. That, and there's always someone ready to call me out. That's not always a bad thing.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 22, 2017, 05:43 AM:

Lance, thank you for that endorsement. I think you have a very good grasp of what is the intended purpose of this Forum. In my everyday interaction with the public, I'm not at all sure that there is anybody that has the same views and opinions as I have.

But, I know that the folks on Huntmasters see things largely as I see them. I'm not sure exactly what it is that allows us to see eye to eye on a wide range of topics, but if it stems from an interest in hunting coyotes, that's good enough for me.

This place is for you, the member just as much as for me, the tech weenie, although I wouldn't make a pimple on a "real" tech weenie's ass. That's all I expect to gain, association with like minded men, (and a few women). You might say preaching to the choir, but it has value. This place will be here for as long as I am able. I'm glad it is appreciated.

Good hunting. El Bee

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