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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on July 05, 2016, 08:45 AM:
If this doesn't make the establishment Republicans swallow there pride and vote Trump, nothing will.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-recommends-no-charges-for-clinton-over-email-system-at-state-department/ar-AAi7Py6?ocid=ansmsnnews11
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 05, 2016, 09:34 AM:
But, didn't we really expect it? This is Hillary Clinton, not Petraeus, after all.
Really sucks, huh? And, this bitch isn't going to change what she does, when President. Makes me sick.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on July 05, 2016, 09:50 AM:
It's unreasonable to expect a Federal prosecutor to put their career and life at risk going after a Clinton. FYI I really dislike working from a phone. We are at Oceanside Kommyfornia
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 05, 2016, 10:49 AM:
Me too!
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on July 05, 2016, 01:52 PM:
Kinda funny that not even a week has gone by since slick Willie and Lynch met in her plane, and the FBI comes out with this.
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Posted by Frank (Member # 6) on July 05, 2016, 06:52 PM:
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Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on July 06, 2016, 02:56 AM:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/10/15/whistleblowers-call-out-double-standard-hillary-clintons-email-scandal&ved=0ahUKEwik5byb1 t7NAhXr34MKHYhpC70QFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNFnjjgPfg1w7ct0BLpzgqcPW2wshw&sig2=9oOkQLs-knPOLzBeiUaOVA
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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on July 06, 2016, 05:18 AM:
just more proof that there's one set of laws for us peons and another set for the elite.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on July 06, 2016, 05:56 AM:
As I've said for many years, you are get all the justice you can afford in this country.
I'd have been dumbfounded by an indictment though. Never, in my wildest dreams, did I think there was any chance of that.
Nobody except Fox news even talked about it as a realistic possibility and even they had that "we know you know we're full of crap but we have to do this for ratings" look in their eye when they talked about it.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 06, 2016, 06:47 AM:
Yeah, we know all about it, Dave. But, does she deserve charges, or not? Keep thinking Petraeus, his suspended sentence and that $100,000 fine.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS and about leaving that box blank next to Trump's name. I'm telling you, I would vote for Satan himself if it was also a vote against Hillary. Yeah, she needs men of principle to sit on their hands while she wins all those Liberal and Black votes. <sigh> And, they have no such conflicts, do they?
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on July 07, 2016, 08:29 AM:
Leonard, I started to say "yes" she deserves charges.
But... Actually, I don't know. Just have not seen enough fact about it. Lots of speculation and opinion but not much objective fact. Not enough fact, for me to actually know, one way or the other.
That said... Reading the tea leaves as best I can, yeah I think she deserves to be charged.
Of course, if that standard is going to be applied, there are probably a whole lot of other people that should also be charged and I'm sure that would include some people we'd rather not see encumbered with such trouble.
It just isn't reality though. Reality, she's a member of the club and the club takes care of their own. Non-members, different reality.
For the most part, I don't find it very useful to suspend/ignore reality.
But... "Justice" is a concept. It actually is often useful to ignore reality when explaining or exploring concepts. When I talk to my kids about justice, I use examples that aren't reality in explaining how they should strive to act and think. But I go hardcore reality when explaining that they should NEVER expect to actually receive justice or be treated by others in a just fashion. And to sit there acting butt hurt when they don't receive justice is just being foolish at best and plain stupid is more like it.
Be happy and take justice as a wonderful bonus if it happens, but don't ever expect it, because that's just not reality.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 07, 2016, 10:36 AM:
With a Clinton, with Hillary, at some point, you need to view the situation a little more broadly. At the same time, ponder another person with even close to the same baggage. You won't find one. Many years and many events, lies and outrageous behavior and you must arrive at a conclusion, beyond the benefit of doubt.
Name one, name anybody, and Dave says: quote:
But... Actually, I don't know.
I think you know, you have a gut feeling. Her shit doesn't pass the sniff test. Nobody deserves that kind of consideration. Read some statements from people that have been around her. She's a wicked woman, hard to believe she's so close to the Presidency. What if that one doubt, that one vote is Dave giving her the benefit of the doubt; something for which he won't accommodate Donald Trump.
She's unworthy, Dave. You cannot look at the two choices and say, well; Hillary get's it because she's an honest lady. That's bullshit. Think about it before you give her a pass....which is what has been happening her whole political career. Not voting for Trump is a vote for this bitch and if it's your one vote? Not laying a guilt trip on you, or anything? lol
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on July 07, 2016, 10:40 AM:
Dave:. You need to see the documentary "Silenced". Most of the people covered didn't do anything wrong. As I recall out of eight ht tpeople only two were ever charged. One was acquitted and one received three years so seven should have been protected under the whistle blower act. Instead the government did everything possible to ruin their lives. You will be shocked at what our government is capable of. The one guy who got three years didn't do anything that bad IMHO. Please excuse any mistakes . I'm using my phone
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 07, 2016, 10:49 AM:
He's on the edge and if we can swing this one vote over the wall, we win, she loses! Think about it Dave. One vote, and you left it blank, then she wins by one. That's a heavy burden. Eight years; no Second Amendment, a Liberal Supreme Court and you left that box blank. Oh well, no big deal, right?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on July 07, 2016, 10:53 AM:
A partial list making up Hillarygate
Whitewater gate
Pork gate
Travel gate
Benghazi gate
Bimbo gate HTC ran the bimbo control squad
File gate
Email gate
Pardon gate
Using the IRS as an attack dog
Vince Foster
Sale of high tech secrets to China who now has MRIVs that can hit us
The looting of the white house
Just Google Hillary scandals for a better lisy
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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on July 07, 2016, 11:49 AM:
I don't know, but it seems I must have communicated terribly. Based on your replies I don't think either of you understood me at all.
I'll quit while I'm behind.
- DAA
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on July 07, 2016, 12:11 PM:
I am posting this for all members. We really need an outsider who will REALLY shake things up.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/07/06/fbi-clinton-email-corruption-dylann-roof-arizona-fort-hood-omar-mateen-irs-secret-service-glenn-reynolds-column/86725236/
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 07, 2016, 01:34 PM:
Accept my apologies, Dave. I obviously misunderstood what you wrote and I have no right to grill you about your personal decisions. So, forget it. There are many things and many people that cannot get on the same wavelength and I suppose this is one.
Don't worry about it. If we here can't clearly express opinions and ideas, it's no wonder that congress can't get anything done.
All I know is, I am worried that a lot of voters will look at these specific things and shrug, then vote for Hillary Clinton because, Trump. Frustrating shit.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS, reread your statement and I can see a different interpretation than the first time.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 07, 2016, 02:50 PM:
What amazes me is how much power does it take to have the F.B.I & the Justice Dept. turn a blind eye to the Hildabeast's mis-doings ??
I mean, we're not talking having a couple of small town City Councilmen that are fishing buddies overlook some penny-ante zoning ordinance for you.
We're talking crimes that border on Treason and after a 30 minute meeting aboard a parked plane with the Slick One....the problem goes away.
Hard to fathom.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on July 07, 2016, 03:51 PM:
Koko, I know y'all think I'm just crazy. And that's okay. Maybe I am?
But I don't think that meeting had diddly squat do do with doo doo.
The fix was in a looooooong time ago. Maybe Slick was just saying thanks. Or trying to bang an aide or something... But the club wasn't ever going to let this end in charges. No way. No day. Not a chance. They all knew it from the git go.
- DAA
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on July 07, 2016, 04:40 PM:
And no worries Leonard, no apology needed!
- DAA
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on July 07, 2016, 05:00 PM:
I was positive the fix was a done deal when Obama gave the beast his support. The meeting on the plane was most likely a courtesy heads up.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on July 07, 2016, 05:03 PM:
See that's where I can't agree. Comey seems visibly bothered. Sweating and bugged.and it seemed like he was having a hard time saying that his recommendation was not to prosecute.
I would bet ol' slick Willie told Lynch to make this shit go away. Lynch contacts Comey and tells him to make it happen or else, so in the best way he could he shut it down.
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on July 07, 2016, 06:49 PM:
All anyone has to know to decide Hillary's guilt is outlined in what Comey had to say when he said he wasn't recommending charges against her.
Alan Dershowitz and some other lefties made some interesting observations. Why did Comey outline all of her lies and misdeeds then fail to recommend an indictment? He aired all of her dirty laundry then didn't do anything about it.
Comey has investigated the Clintons before and came up with the same results.
The fact that the FBI didn't put her under oath or keep a transcript of her questioning is suspicious as hell. It's a sad day for this country.
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on July 07, 2016, 06:55 PM:
By not recommending an indictment, I believe Comey did the only patriotic thing he could do in order to avoid a political shit storm which was sure to blow in if action were to be taken. Yesterday and today, he not only confirmed she was extremely careless and negligent, but questioned her intelligence as well. Perjury charges are not off the table. And the president announces she is the most competent person since Jefferson for the job.
I agree with Dave, the fix has been in for a very long time. I don't even know if my vote counts anymore? The morals of those in Washington are nonexistant, which in my opinion is the greatest problem. Elections can't fix that. For the first time in 40 years I will not be participating in selecting a new president.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 08, 2016, 04:03 AM:
Not under oath and no transcripts strikes me as demanded by Hillary as the only conditions for her showing up. Just think about what was said without any fear of it leaving the room? Six agents, no Comey, just a little three and a half hour, off the record chat.
We get played/fucked all the time but this one was rammed sideways, no kiss.
For the life of me, I can't understand how anybody would think she would make a jim dandy President of the United States? Except, you people already elected DICKWEED, so this is a very strong possibility.
So, AR doesn't vote; which works in Hillary's favor. I shouldn't need to point that out.
Is Trump that much worse than Obama? Sure, he's a jerk. But something that Ben Carson said a while back. He looks at Trumps kids and concludes that since he raised them and they seem like decent people, that Donald trump cannot be as bad as so many people think? I know that both his sons are NRA life members and both have hunted Africa which says to me, these guys seem to walk the walk. That's not the ultimate test but, I keep going back to Hillary and the Supreme Court and the Second Amendment and what the fuck is wrong with you people?
Vote for Trump and hold your nose while clicking your heels and whispering, there's no place like home....and there won't be anything left of home if any of you guys fail to do the single thing that might prevent that bitch from getting into the Whitehouse. Wake up!
Good hunting. El bee
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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on July 08, 2016, 12:30 PM:
Who was it that said something to the effect that 'all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing' ???
Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on July 08, 2016, 01:08 PM:
I believe it was Jeff Cooper but I could be wrong.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 08, 2016, 03:04 PM:
He might have, but I believe it was Edmund Burke about 200 years previous?
Posted by Frank (Member # 6) on July 08, 2016, 04:42 PM:
Just for a standard of comparison, I've worked around people with security clearances all my life.
When it comes to charging Hillary for the email scandal EVERY SINGLE ONE of the people I know with clearances says that if it were them who did what Hillary did (putting classified stuff on a personal server) they would be rotting in jail right now.
So bottom line is there are millions of Americans who know what Hillary did was illegal as hell.......and that she is not getting charged shows how laws do not apply to the ruling class.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on July 10, 2016, 12:21 PM:
It's obvious the "club" if you will, elite or whatever take care of their own.
I'm wondering what's going to happen if Trump actually does get elected ?
Do "they" take it out on us ? for going against the grain ?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on July 10, 2016, 12:34 PM:
Frank, I don't know what you do now, but the rumor had it several years ago that you were deep into security clearance stuff, they said you could really mess with somebody if you wanted? But, even us normal people understand it....which excludes Democrats, apparently? They don't give a shit, they will vote for a convicted Liar, like her husband, and Obama is stacking up a shitload of whoppers that the Media won't hold him accountable for. Hard to understand how a liberal's mind works?
So, do you still have that YAK? We have an airshow at our local general aviation airport here in Upland, called Cable Airport. They sometimes have a YAK. Interesting looking airplane. I understand they are quite durable? You built it at Chino, I think? Or rebuilt it, I mean. I think you promised me a ride, once?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on July 11, 2016, 03:19 AM:
I agree with what Randy mentioned about comey, to an extent. He did leave a loaded gun of evidence on the table, he just left it for someone else to point...
FYI, here's an interesting article which outlines the history of klintons, comey, lynchmob, etc...
LINKY poo
Nothing short of outright collusion, if ya ask me?
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