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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 17, 2015, 04:40 PM:
Just a few weeks ago, the Kansas Senate approved constitutional carry and sent the measure on to the House where it saw debate this past Friday in the Federal and State Affairs Committee. That same committee approved the measure today and the measure goes on to the full House where it is expected to pass!
I just hope it gets to the governor's desk and he gets it signed before the lynch mobs bearing pitchforks and torches over the school finance issue string him up.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 17, 2015, 05:14 PM:
Much better off than I, my friend.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 17, 2015, 07:01 PM:
Do you have room for a desert rat from Az?
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 18, 2015, 04:42 PM:
Always room for more good folk in Kansas. I guess WV approved it yesterday so they're ahead of us. Lots of debate as to the good and bad of this. The bad stuff is illogical and the good stuff can't get any traction with the libs in the state. Thank God there is only a few.
Times are changin'.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 25, 2015, 04:51 PM:
Constitutional carry passed the Kansas House today. Goes back to the Senate to approve a small but dandy change made by the House that would prohibit additional taxing, at any level, of gun purchases in Kansas. Then, to the Governor's desk for his signature!!!!
Was so confident that this would come to pass that I bought this just to be ready...
Lovin' Kansas
[ March 25, 2015, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 26, 2015, 02:58 PM:
Awaiting Gov's signature. Woohoo!!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 26, 2015, 03:27 PM:
Is that an American firearm?
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 26, 2015, 04:23 PM:
Nope. Walthers
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 26, 2015, 05:06 PM:
Kansas rocks dude !!
PS: I'm a closet K-State football fan.
The exception being of course when they played the Ducks a few years ago.. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 28, 2015, 02:41 PM:
PPQ Lance?
If it is, I shot one a while back. Great shooting guns..
Edit: DR...I see that it is actually a PPX.
[ March 28, 2015, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: 4949shooter ]
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on March 28, 2015, 03:21 PM:
Wyoming instituted the same a couple years ago. But we always are on the cutting edge.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on March 29, 2015, 03:21 AM:
Congrats Kansas!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 29, 2015, 06:56 AM:
Here I am, camped out in the beautiful, progressive People's Republic, learning that those folks in Flyover Country know what's good for them. I just moved Kansas up to number #36 on my list of the perfect states in which to retire.
(just kidding, Lance. I'm envious)
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 29, 2015, 08:33 AM:
Saw that recently, Cal, and there haven't been waves of violence and gun fights, have there? LOL
Yeah, Tim. PPX.
I live in a very quiet little neighborhood that may not be the nicest and fanciest homes in Abilene, but you can see them from my back deck. Nice mix of young couples, middle agers like Lisa and me, and retirees. Very common to see people out walking in the evenings, and everyone says hi when they go by if you're out in the yard, and we keep an eye out for one another. Last night, I received some news that just makes you change your stance a bit and this law change is only a plus for that.
Seems that a half block away from me, a new family moved in. PD has very quietly spilled the beans that the guy was convicted of shooting two white people (he's black) and one of them died. He's on parole and allegedly a former gangbanger.
Now, as a matter of practicality, there must be more to the story - assuming it's true - if the guy isn't rotting in prison somewhere, so I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt here until I know for a fact that shit ain't right. And, if the guy's past is fact and his being here is a part of him getting his life right, then I'm all for that and see the value of being part of making them feel comfortable and welcome in our little enclave.
Then again, I'm not stupid.
Switched out all the FMJ rounds in both my 9mm's to 115 grain FTX Hornady Critical Defense rounds, 5 mags, 60 rounds total between the two guns, and replaced the two 20-rnd polymags of 55-grain Vmax hunting rounds in the AR with four 30-rnd mags of 55-grn FMJ, along with 25 rounds of 3-inch #4 buckshot for the Winny 12 gauge I cut down to 18.5 inches for a home defense scatter gun, just in case. I have a lot of "fire extinguishers".
Do I expect to need any of this? Hell no, but I'm ready just in case any of his former buddies come to "da 'hood". I'm not worried about him. "They" are another matter altogether. Even the PD admitted to us that they know the situation - if there is a situation - will likely be handled in this neighborhood, between myself, Kevin, and a couple other good neighbors. LOL
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 29, 2015, 09:00 AM:
You must assume that most people live in decent, main line communities. I have to assume "some" of my neighbors are fucking Liberals, but not many. This area, the "West End" of San Bernardino County is decidedly conservative and elects a lot of Republicans. So, that is different from Los Angeles and San Francisco. They have a nice mix of minorities and Liberals, ex-cons, etc.
In fact, the whole inland area of California is conservative, believe it or not? But, we are still outnumbered.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 29, 2015, 12:01 PM:
El Bee;
It's that I-5 corridor. There's something in the concrete that they used to build that road that causes mental illness, a symptom of which is Liberalism.
Look at Calif.
Right thinking people inland, away from the freeway. Liberals in San Diego, Los Angles & The Gay Bay run the state.
Oregon.
Serious Rednecks inland. Portland & Salem .......liberals due to something even the rain can't wash out of that concrete.
Washington.
Same as Ore. Eastern Wash, which is actually Western Idaho has cowboys & loggers. Along the I-5 Corridor, liberal Seattle & Oly run the state.
I'm telling ya..........an investigation is needed.
Prove me wrong !!!!!
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 29, 2015, 12:48 PM:
I wish my glock has a rail.. I want to put a laser/ light like your pistol.. It's a gen 2
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 29, 2015, 03:01 PM:
What the hell is it with that I-5 corridor as Koko mentioned ?
Get in central/eastern Oregon-Washington. Flat bed pickups, cowboy hats, John Deere caps, about as redneck as you can get.
As far as the Northwest goes. Idaho should extend to the Cascade mountains..
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on March 30, 2015, 02:18 AM:
One must be employed to pour and finish concrete steel etc. I think that's where this corridor comes from.
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on April 01, 2015, 12:25 PM:
Governor signs the bill tomorrow afternoon, and it becomes effective July 1!
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 01, 2015, 01:37 PM:
So, will this be open carry or concealed only ??
We have either here in Arizona. Seemed a little weird seeing someone standing in line at the bank with a .45 on their hip, at first. Now...... it's no big deal. There's one diner in town that has `No open Carry` Posted. Concealed is still fine there.
As far as I know, there have been zero problems anywhere with those people who carry.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 01, 2015, 03:02 PM:
This "new law" is actually an amendment to an existing law in Kansas that provided initially for concealed carry by anyone who was 21 or older, had no felony or domestic violence convictions, and is a resident of the state of Kansas. Initially, this law meant you were eligible to take the CCW course and submit your information and money to the Attorney General for approval to carry concealed. As of July 1, this amendment will make it legal for anyone who meets the aforementioned criteria to carry - open or concealed - without any permit.
Now, here is the fly in the ointment that was brought to my attention this week. There is a federal law called the Gun Free School Zone Act (GFSZA) that says it is illegal for anyone who does not have a CCW permit issued by the state to have an uncased, loaded firearm within 1,000 feet of any school - private or public - in (your state here). I live one block from a K-1 primary school. The fact that I pull out of my driveway with a loaded gun in my truck effectively means I may be breaking a federal law.
There is a similar law in Kansas that makes it illegal to possess illegal drugs within 1,000 feet of any school, and that number is used because it is quite difficult, in any community, to find a single place to stand where you are outside that 1,000 foot distance. Therefore, under the GFSZA, if you're in town, you're within 1k feet of a school, and thus, if you do not have a CCW, you're a felon.
I have contacted the Kansas State Rifle Association and asked for them to clarify this information. They advised me that they would be issuing an email to everyone on their email list as soon as the bill was signed into law addressing this and several other concerns.
The following currently appears on their website in the FAQ's section:
How does this affect carrying concealed in a school zone?
ANSWER: The provision in federal law that allows concealed carry in school zones is based upon having a concealed carry permit from their state of residence and that state having no
prohibition on licensee’s carrying. The KS Attorney General ruled on this issue regarding Open Carry, which requires no license, and advised that you cannot Open Carry a loaded firearm in a school zone. The same will apply to Constitutional (Permitless) Carry. In Federal law, Title 18 USC Section 922(q) is the code that contains Authored by
Patricia Stoneking
the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1995, which prohibits the possession of a firearm in a
“school zone”. A school zone is defined as the grounds of a public, parochial or private
elementary or secondary school and encompasses 1,000 feet of the grounds
surrounding the school. The ban on firearm possession does not apply to private
property that may be within that 1,000 feet but not part of the school property.
If this is true, then carrying on private property not belonging to the school is not a problem. what this does not address is carrying on your person, concealed, while traversing public roads adjacent to school grounds.
Have you heard anything on this, Tim?
[ April 01, 2015, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by cornstalker (Member # 4593) on April 01, 2015, 04:15 PM:
quote:
The ban on firearm possession does not apply to private
property that may be within that 1,000 feet but not part of the school property.
In Colorado, your vehicle is private property and is an extension of your home. (for now) Is there a clause in KS for possession in a vehicle that you can skate by on?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 01, 2015, 05:12 PM:
I seem to recall that the 1000 yard deal is subject to review? Something like, how the hell is everyone to know exactly where every Little House On The Prairie School House is? Perhaps it should be a warning posted?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 01, 2015, 06:21 PM:
There is some info out there about efforts to repeal the GFSZA.
Interesting point, cornstalker. Something to consider. At the same time, there's always the question of just when and under what circumstances would this clause be enforced? As long as you handle yourself responsibly, I don't see it being an issue with our local LEO's until and unless you make it one by being stupid.
Just thinking about this illustrates the huge cultural differences between where I live and so many other places in America today. Most of my buddies have a gun in their possession nearly every time I see them. They're either carrying an AR, another long gun, a handgun on their hip, or a half-dozen different guns and knives in their pickup. Guns are something we pay no more attention to than a wristwatch on their wrist, or whether they're wearing a ball cap today. I just don't even notice it. yet, our "normal" would freak the living shit out of a lot of people.
People can make fun of us here in flyover country, but I prefer bass ackwards over enlightened.
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Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on April 02, 2015, 05:07 AM:
Lance,
I have not heard about this provision...I can see if I can contact someone from the Kansas State Rifle Association.
The President of KSRA, Patricia Stoneking, carried much of the water to get this bill to pass.
I do know the 1000 foot rule has squirreled my hunter ed group from teaching at schools. I do know that rule is not being interpreted the same way across the board.
I can't teach a hunter ed class here at any of the schools in Great Bend with non-functioning firearms, but I can at a high school 9 miles away...very frustrating.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 03, 2015, 05:21 AM:
I wondered how this rule impacted HS instruction. Sorry to hear that.
I've read what the KSRA has posted and still don't feel comfortable in thinking I know exactly what it says. They say that the Act refers to school, property within 1,000 feet of the school. That muddies things for me. They say it doesn't apply to private property. That clears it up a bit. But, if you pull out of my driveway and go straight south from my drive, a half block south you come to a school. My questions is simple: Am I legal to carry, open or concealed, on the street in front of my house and on the streets going past the school which is city/ public property and not school property? Or, do I have to have the weapon secured and unloaded until I reach the fabled 1,000 feet mark from the school?
I have no reason to go onto school property, let alone with a firearm. But, I often drive down that street, and almost always with a firearm of some sort.
Some would say that this is making things too complicated, but that's how you get into trouble, assuming the laws says something it does not.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 03, 2015, 09:01 AM:
That's the problem with laws written by fucking control freaks!
Somebody else has to wade in there and clean up their messes.
When you think about it, it's oh so simple; just wish it so.
But, the exceptions and the gray areas are what keep a man locked up in his house, with a school across the street. "Gee, never thought of that"? That's the problem, they write stupid do gooder laws without considering the practical effects.
For me it's, HOW THE HELL AM I TO KNOW THERE IS A SCHOOL OVER THERE?
It's just TOTALATARIAN BULLSHIT
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 03, 2015, 09:31 AM:
Agreed. To take it a step further, I honestly do not feel the need to carry a loaded sidearm working in my yard, or walking around my neighborhood. The value of carrying comes when we travel someplace like Wichita where the chance of encountering ne'er-do-wells increases exponentially. And, of course, how am I to know where the schools are in an area where I'm not familiar with everything around me?
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 03, 2015, 02:08 PM:
These laws are to rid us of gun free zones , not to create them , schools are a place I would like lots of responsible armed people. I have guns placed around my home that would give me and mine a tactical advantage with anyone entering my home un invited I still carry you wont see it most of the time but when you have been near me I have been armed. The time has come the world has gone way past stupid I will not be a victim to this craziness.
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 03, 2015, 09:26 PM:
Well stated, Paul. Beyond that, I have nothing to say.
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on April 04, 2015, 09:20 AM:
Good points, Paul. The 1000 foot rule and zero tolerance is a good way for today's administrators to not have to think about making a stupid decision.
I know a couple of kids that almost got suspended for half the school year for having their shotgun in their truck at school...their crime?...hunting pheasants on the way to school.
If that was the case in the late 70's when I was in high school, I would have graduated from the state pen.
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