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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 01, 2015, 11:41 AM:
It's a subject that's been discussed frequently by many of us.
So @ what point does a guy just say screw it and do it ?
Change is tough. I guess we all get in our comfort zones to some degree or another ?
Lots of factors come into play. Cost of housing, coyote hunting of course !! Jobs and what kind of work environment can one expect ? Pay ?
I really shouldn't complain too much on my end. Idaho has conservative politics, gun friendly ect.
No offense to anyone.. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I probably wouldn't even be thinking this way if it wasn't for Kalifornians. It has blown up here the last ten years or so.
I'm spoiled not used to traffic and such. Idaho might have the worst roads in the US, yet they allow people to keep flooding in. Were constantly under road construction. It's getting old my Amigo's.
I yearn for a small town atmosphere, yet, I wonder if it's too much the other way ?
My wife and I both grew up in towns of about 3000 people, farming communities. She's worried about everyone knowing you're business and stuff. I just don't give a shit !! Lol
Anyway, just venting and thinking on a Sunday afternoon.. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 01, 2015, 12:24 PM:
Just look at a map, throw a dart.
The Land Of The Fruits And The Nuts is fucking up neighboring states. Arizona is in denial, but they are having Liberal Creep, bless their hearts. Drive through Oregon, (if you must) and risk road rage when bearing CA plates, and being earnestly flipped off, expect it.
Nevada is getting there, as is New Mexico; perhaps the most Democrat and Liberal of the bunch. I hear Utah is concerned over immigrants, Mexican and Liberal Californians.
And, nowhere are these folks welcome. Apparently, it's impossible to get the stink off'em?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 01, 2015, 12:31 PM:
I live near a small town and love it.
A trip to town usually involves running into several different people I know.
Anything that I can't purchase locally, I can get on EBay and UPS delivers it to my door.
I can't even imagine living in Calif. again.
For me, the North Ridge earthquake was a blessing in disguise. Very well disguised at the time, but still a blessing.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 01, 2015, 12:45 PM:
Yeah this State is being over run with Californians. They sell there homes for a million bucks and move in here and get bigger homes than they had in Cal for half the price. They say they are tired of the rat race down there and all that comes with it. Then they get here and try to change our laws to fit there principles which is why they left California in the first place. Bunch of idiots. Buy big homes on the foothills to get closer to nature then bitch because the deer and elk come down in there neighborhoods in the winter when the snows to deep up high. Again bunch of idiots. Utah is nothing like when I was a kid. Hunted and fished a couple miles from my house. Now its golf courses and Condos. Makes me sick when I have time to reflect on it.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 01, 2015, 01:47 PM:
Chad nailed it !!
I've met and done business with many Californians that are great folk.
Unfortunately that isn't always the norm. We also deal with lawnmowers @ work. These assholes come up here and buy an acre and stress out about mowing it. Arrogant pricks.
I'd rather deal with a guy who has a $300,000-$400,000 combine trying to make harvest, than those dickheads. Who think we owe them the world for a $300o-$4000 dollar rider.
Expensive yeah I know. Perspective & reality is everything..Kalifornians have no bounds.
Just sayin'
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 01, 2015, 02:36 PM:
All you guys are mean.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 01, 2015, 03:15 PM:
What are we going to hate next, when The People's Republik falls into the ocean?
I have had a hard on for Oregon for a long time. It's like a very liberal Kalifornia; only ruder and w/granola.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on March 01, 2015, 06:15 PM:
quote:
What are we going to hate next, when The People's Republik falls into the ocean?
That so many were able to get out alive, that's what.
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on March 02, 2015, 05:22 AM:
Dave A, remember where ever you move don't live in any kind of a town that has a freeway going through it. There are towns out there but if you're still tied to a full time job things will get tough. Live an hour out of Nampa/Boise area and can't stand what Idaho have become. It started in the 70's and has gotten worse by the minute.
I can remember when the rush hour in Boise lasted less than an hour. Now it's all day long.
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on March 02, 2015, 06:00 AM:
Dave,
You are most welcome here...plenty of coyotes in Kansas, gun friendly, AND we have a great ag economy as well!
Lots of JD dealerships here in Central Kansas. We don't get the snow you guys get in Idaho, but we would make you feel welcome none the less!
[ March 02, 2015, 06:01 AM: Message edited by: booger ]
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 02, 2015, 06:55 AM:
I'm sorry to hear Utah has an immigrant problem. I always thought the Mormons would scare away liberals of all color which made Utah my go to state if I ever left Az. My wife wants to go back to Ohio, but I can't handle that. Wyoming has a lot of private land and getting access is getting expensive. Colorado is way too damn liberal for me with legal pot and same sex marriage. Texas is all private land so that sucks unless you have connections which I don't. How is New Mexico? I've heard it has land access issues?
Maybe we should all combine our resources and buy a ranch in Texas.
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on March 02, 2015, 07:27 AM:
I think Wyoming and Montana will be the last conservative hold outs, or hide outs whichever you prefer. You guys are all welcome and would fit right in. I'm staying. I've spent a lot of time in the Hole in the Wall country where Butch Cassidy and gang hung out. So when the big shit hits the fan you'll know where to find me!
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 02, 2015, 07:44 AM:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/181505/mississippi-alabama-louisiana-conservative-states.aspx
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 02, 2015, 07:56 AM:
Before simply looking at that Gallup poll and assuming the color chart of the US is correct. You also need to look at the numbers. Arizona is shown to be average. But the numbers for Arizona are 36% conservative, 36% moderate, and 22% liberal. I question the accuracy of this poll when New York state comes in with 29% conservative, 36% moderate, and 28% liberal.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 02, 2015, 07:57 AM:
Canada? How bout that?
[ March 02, 2015, 07:57 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 02, 2015, 10:00 AM:
Canada; no handguns, socialist, healthcare is slower than molasses in January, has given half the country to native tribes.
Other than that. Alaska is right next door.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 02, 2015, 02:31 PM:
The Hodgdon plant in Herington, Kansas just southeast of me is hiring. Herington has a pop'n of about 5k, old railroad town, and its only recent claim to fame is that Terry Nichols lived there when he helped plan and build the bombing in OKC. Just sayin'...
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 02, 2015, 05:59 PM:
Ya know, I went across Kansas border to border and Wyoming back in the late 80's all freeway of course.
I liked both states. I thought Kansas kinda had a unique feeling, I liked it. Just too far away from family. Except for my sister (Washington) mine are all in Oregon and the wife's are all here.
I feel bad Mark. On one hand I tell ya to come up, then I post, I want to bail !!
Life..
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 02, 2015, 06:18 PM:
Earthwalker, a lot of truth in what you said. I never go to Boise anymore.
I went for our Christmas party in December. I hadn't been there in a few years ?
Anyway it's funny got to work this morning and everyone is bitchin' about all the things discussed in this thread. We have all been here a long time.
1st phone call of the day, some guy calls from Kuna needing parts for his Disk. He starts into this friendly rant about how there's more freeway work that's soon to start in front of our place. You have to sneak around all the back roads, he's sick of it..It never ends, on & on..
Ah' good times..
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 02, 2015, 06:39 PM:
Lol Dave...you had me on the hook! Me and the wife talk about this subject all the time, and have concluded that there is no safe haven anymore. Not sure what the hell to do?
Probly nothing.
Mark
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 02, 2015, 06:42 PM:
Name a state that appeals, then consider any drawbacks. Like, take for instance, Wyoming. Looks good, on paper. The wind is always blowing forty miles an hour. I HATE hunting in that kind of wind! If that's the only negative, I still might have to consider it and "learn" how to love hunting coyotes in the friggin' wind.
Kansas is just a non starter. Don't know why, but it "defines" flyover country, for me.
Texas; already been mentioned, no access.
New Yawk? (next)
Okay, so help me out.....
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 02, 2015, 07:06 PM:
Ok, here I go..
For me it's Oregon, that's really what it's boiling down to. I know Leonard hates it, I'm really sorry people have been assholes to ya !!
E. Oregon to me is a whole different deal than suck ass liberal western Oregon. Unfortunately the liberal side gets all the voting power !!
You just can't win, can ya ?
Anyway my obsession with Orygun is cuzz, parts of the state remind me of Wyoming, parts are like Nevada other parts like NE remind me of the western Montana Rockies..
Then of course there's the coast if one is so inclined.
Soooo, here's my deal. I'll have to come to grips with or move on and forget about it.
Housing, Idaho has affordable housing if a house wasn't built in the mid late 2000's. I Really think that's a lot of why people move to Idaho.
Even small towns in E. Orygun were I could probably get a job. It will cost me another 50-60k to get my same house here.
Hmmmm...
[ March 02, 2015, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 02, 2015, 07:54 PM:
Just come to AZ and dodge the liberals on your way to the coyote stands!
There's no perfect state, but I would be in Idaho if we weren't happy w/ life and jobs in AZ.. There's just too many hunting/fishing spots up there..
Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on March 02, 2015, 09:57 PM:
I recently moved down to Arizona from Alaska. This was mostly from the urging(threats) of the wife, after thity-four years she had enough of the long winters. I certainly miss some aspects of living in Alaska but am getting acclimated to Arizona...so far have even managed to kill a few coyotes and didn't have to freeze my ass off doing it. Regardless of where you move given time it will change and mostly not for the better. Choose wisely.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 02, 2015, 11:53 PM:
Hey Dave;
Here's an idea................
We convince Leonard to se11 his palatial estate in Calif. and buy the whole town of Fields Or.
Then we can all show up unannounced and have a place to stay.
Seriously; lots of public land, coyotes, quail / chucker, decent mule deer bucks, and hot springs near-by.
Good people, too. Nothing like on the coast.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 03, 2015, 06:55 AM:
I'm with ya Koko..
Fields is it's own deal for sure. Burns to the north has been on my list quite some time also.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 03, 2015, 07:08 AM:
I am fully aware of eastern Oregon. If they would partition the state, that would be a high up option for me.
And, yes. Those coastal assholes have my forever animosity. They say it's because so many CA people sold out and moved up there and drove up property values? On the other hand, you would think they would be happy about that; but this is Granola Oregon, so....
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 03, 2015, 07:47 AM:
And, my brother in Olympia, (actually Tumwater) has a gate in his back fence where he has a stream that he can step across that has salmon in it, seasonally.
Does that make up for 180 continuous days of overcast and rain? Not likely. Sister-in-law needs sunshine therapy, some kind of lamp to allay the cabin fever. Then, there are "No Burn Days" in "God's Country"! Something to do with coastal fog and inversion layers? Have I listed enough reason?
If it weren't for friggin' Liberals, Kalifornia wouldn't be a bad place to live, climate is great. And, don't forget, I am eight miles from the ski lift at Mt. Baldy, and 40 miles from surfing at Newport Beach. Virtually anything is available here, from the Desert to the Sea, as Jerry Dumphy used to say opening his nightly news.
But, it is what it is and I can't stand it! Moved here with my parents in 1955, hard to believe how hostile I have become to living in this state. Some people are born movers and some are nesters. I'm a nester. But getting fed up.
Montana has a lot to offer but those brutal winters stand out. I have a high school chum who lived there until moving to Florida. She seems not to miss it? I don't know the whole story, but she teaches Chinese students and has already visited China. What is it with people that continue to work past retirement age? I never liked the grind that much, always hated to get out of bed, and looked forward to doing exactly nothing special. But, I should have planned a little better, I can't do everything I want to do, $.
Oh well, there are lots of people like me, and very few like Dan, (the man) who, (I understand) is really loaded!
Is there a state east of the Mississippi that bares consideration? What I have seen of Wisconsin, I liked very much but it was just YMCA camp when I was a kid. St Croix river area. Loved it.
Apparently, there is a lot to consider in North Carolina?
Well, got to go Bibi is addressing congress.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 03, 2015, 07:47 AM:
Speaking of relocating, what happened to NPHA?
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on March 03, 2015, 07:49 AM:
I didn't read every post word for word, but I did skim through all of them. I did read Dave's original post very carefully though. Here's my experience. I grew up in Arizona and Utah. I went to part of my junior high years, all of high school, and college in Utah. Then I worked a couple years in Utah after graduating. All toll I lived there for 17 years. I absolutely never cared for it. The day my family moved to Utah from Arizona was the day I started planning my escape, it just took 17 years. The influx from out of state is what I hated most about living in Utah. I won't go into why as that's pretty much been covered by Chad already. A little over 20 years ago I got a chance to move to Montana. I have no family up here except for my wife and children. I didn't know anyone in Montana and basically came here a complete stranger. I was instantly welcomed and it felt like I'd finely found home the day I arrived in Montana. I've raised all my kids here and I have zero regrets. For me it was the perfect fit. I still wake up each morning even after 20 years, and wonder if it's all a dream. I love living here and every time I go back to Utah to visit family, it takes me about 5 second on I-15 through Salt Lake valley to remember why I hate that place. So rather than continuing to babble let me just say that sometimes a "move" is the best thing in the world. Like 3 Toes it's Montana or Wyoming for me. There just isn't anywhere else I'd fit in.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 03, 2015, 09:04 AM:
Good post. I envy you!
Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on March 03, 2015, 09:43 AM:
Maybe someone can shed some light on what happen over at NPHA.
Was there last night and now there gone.
As far as moving you guys can come to Oklahoma we got running water and inside toilets... No I'm not B.S. just got my last year.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 03, 2015, 10:07 AM:
Great post Troy !!
As far as NPHA, looks like Randy has his own site now ?
www.nationalpredatorhunter.com
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on March 03, 2015, 10:18 AM:
Don't get me wrong I still love Utah especially the central part of the State. I will never move. But I do get very frustrated with the liberal influence that keeps coming here. I still think it is one of the most Conservative States in the U.S but I guess time will tell. And I can still get a hell of a lot of hunting done here. Plus its close to other great hunting States like Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona,New Mexico, and Idaho. I just wish the Liberal bastards would stay on the East and West Coasts.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on March 03, 2015, 10:43 AM:
What it all really boils down to is priorities. For me, when I moved 20 years ago the top priority was to move to a state with great hunting and fishing, with a low human population. Once I moved here I discovered the people, by and large, were some of the best people I've ever met anywhere. As I grow older and fish/hunt less than I used to, "people", particularly family and close friends are more of a priority. With that said, I will likely some day leave Montana, but it will be to move closer to family and friends and the outdoor activities will just not be that big of a priority when that day comes. Not quite there yet though as my kids aren't all grown and out of the house yet.
[ March 03, 2015, 10:43 AM: Message edited by: ursus21 ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 03, 2015, 11:12 AM:
I got an email a few days ago explaining the switch, thought everybody did?
Randy is the logical guy to handle the forums. I like him and consider him a friend.
Getting back to where to go, Louisiana could be, if I had not watched a few of those survival shows. Nothing but putrid swamp and friggin' snakes in the Sportsman's Paradise, near as I can tell? I saw enough swamp in Minneesota, it's okay but gets old in a hurry.
How about Australia? Oops, the gun issue, not good!
How about Switzerland? They say guns in every house? I hear it's real expensive to live there.
How about Mexico?
Good hunting. El Bee
PS I'm kidding about Mexico, I don't even want to fly over that stupid country.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 03, 2015, 11:40 AM:
I don't expect relocation will ever be in the cards for me.
I really like my job. And my job isn't moving, so neither am I.
And my retirement plan is to die in the harness. Just keep working till the day I die.
So, retirement, relocation, it's all just talk, coming from me. None of it is ever going to happen.
That said...
I like the cold and the winters less every year. So, would have to be someplace with milder winters than Salt Lake City. That means Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, are out of the running, for me.
What I hate the most about winter here though, is the air pollution. Pollution is the Number One reason I'd like to move away from here, if I could. Liberals, traffic, crowds, winter, whatever, none of it bothers me nearly as much as this polluted air I have to breath. If I ever do relocate, the pollution in the Salt Lake Valley will be the reason why.
I don't see myself in any of the west coast states. Some nice areas on the dry sides, I know, but the state politics in all three are just way too liberal for me to even consider moving to any of them.
Not going to live anywhere without easy access to real mountains and plentiful public land. So the plains states and Texas are out.
I don't have a problem with Utah, per se. I think it's a great place to live. State politics are pretty good. A few states even better, but not many. Economy in the state is and always has been outstanding. The Outfit runs the show, love 'em or hate 'em, can't deny they do a great job of keeping the place clean and the riff raff moving along. Tons of public land. Not too many people in most of the state. Most diverse and beautiful scenery of any state, in my opinion. Unlimited outdoor recreation opportunity.
So, leaving Utah is far from a must, for me. Just would like to leave the Wasatch Front and its gawd damn pollution behind, is all...
Anyway...
If the Utah state line could be moved to include Fruita, Colorado, I think that's where I'd like to live. Close enough to big city jobs, amenities and medical care, but still fairly rural vibe. Great climate. Great jumping off spot for enough outdoor activities to last me the rest of my days.
Colorado would be almost like moving to California though, as far as subjecting myself to a socialist state legislature. And I don't care, not one tiny bit, about legal weed or fags getting married, either. None of that is any of my business and I just don't care what other people smoke or take up their ass. But the overall liberal political climate in CO, I just can't see myself going there. A shame...
Back to Utah...
Moab has turned into a gaudy tourist trap from hell. Used to be one of my favorite towns, anywhere. Can hardly stand it anymore. Too hot in the summers anyway.
Do like the Blanding and Monticello area - summers are cooler and not nearly as touristy as Moab. I could be happy living there.
Kanab reminds me a lot of how Moab used to be, could be happy as a clam there about 7 months out of the year, but again, summers are brutal.
And then there is Nevada...
I really like the area where our house north of Caliente is. Winters are mild compared to SLC. Summers aren't any worse, really, at the elevation our house sits, than they are here in SLC. NV state politics aren't perfect, but they are tolerable. Especially the no income tax part. Hunting, especially varmint hunting, is free and easy. No crowds. No pollution. Not in Lincoln county.
Only complaints, are how far it is to any decent shopping or medical care. But I think I could live with that.
So, there it is. The area around Caliente and Pioche, is where I think I'd go. With Monticello/Blanding Utah area in second place. But there aren't many jobs to speak of in either place. If there were, they'd likely lose all their appeal to me as a place I'd like to actually live.
- DAA
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on March 03, 2015, 12:47 PM:
DAA, I'm surprised you spelled Pioche correctly let alone know where it is. That is where my mom's family is from. I've spent many days roaming around Pioche and even looked hard at a job in Panaca right before moving to Montana. Glad I picked MT though as that school in Pananca was worn out! Still there is some great hunting especially for predators over and around that country.
Just curious why you didn't list Cedar City or one of the small communities near there? If I had to move back to Utah I think I'd choose Kanosh or Beaver Utah. Both communities have a lot going for them if you love the out doors.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 03, 2015, 01:18 PM:
Only reason for leaving out Cedar is the I-15 corridor. It brings a lot of baggage with it. More and more every year. The development cycle in that area is going pretty crazy. Give it another 15 years and I don't think it's going to be very much like I think you are remembering it.
Cedar is where I go for supplies and building materials when we stay at our place between Caliente and Pioche. I'm pretty familiar with the area, and I do like it.
But I don't like it as much as I did even just ten years ago and afraid I'm going to like it a whole helluva lot less another 10 - 15 years from now.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 03, 2015, 01:50 PM:
I have passed through Pioche and Caliente hundreds of times. Nice quiet little berg, and off the highway, for the most part.
I don't know what it's called but that area east of Cedar City, a lot of private enclaves tells me the Yuppies have discovered it.
I kind of like the area further west by Minerville. There is a little Chinese restaurant that is the best in town, serves all western grub and asian specialities. Kind of a hick town, sometimes you have to stop for a herd of cows passing through, but ROLL YOUR WINDOWS UP ! Or, you will have flies in your cab for the next three or four hours.
What about the Pink Coral dunes area down south? Kinda laid back. Hurricane, I think is the town?
But, everywhere you go, there you are. (The Outfit)
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by earthwalker (Member # 4177) on March 03, 2015, 02:08 PM:
Dave A, you at the John Deere on Franklin?
Just went by earlier to Pacific Steel then to Costco, Birds of Prey and Qualitly trailers. Drove 20/26 back to Corwin Ford. What a frickn mess over driving way to fast!! My eyes are still spinning!!
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on March 03, 2015, 02:18 PM:
Leonard, the guy that originally owned and opened that Chinese restaurant was named Tommy Yee. While going to college I managed the hunting and fishing department of a sporting good's store in Cedar City. He would come in and buy a rifle or shotgun and scopes every month from me. Eventually we got to know each other pretty good and even went hunting together a time or two. Whenever I was in Minersville I would stop by and say hello to him. He would never let me pay for a meal. He would always say; "You my flend (friend) on'a house." When I was down in Utah last summer fishing on Minersville reservoir my friends told me that Tommy had passed away. Kind'a bummed me out as he was a real character, and you are right that was some good Chinese food. Who'd a thunk that you and I have likely sat at the same table and had lunch in a tiny Chinese restaurant in and even tinier town in southern Utah?! Crazy what a small world it is sometimes.
DAA, I haven't been to Cedar City for about 5 years or so and it was completely different from the town it was when I went to college there. Heck, it only had 3 stop lights when I was a student there. Now I couldn't even tell you how many it has. I still like Beaver City quite a bit and it's still pretty darn nice. Kanosh is just far enough off the freeway that it still has all the charm of a small town without all the I-15 riff-raff. I've been going to Kanosh since I was just a kid and honestly it hasn't changed a whole lot in the last 45 years.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 03, 2015, 03:03 PM:
Yep, Campbell Tractor on franklin. Feel free stop in next time.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 03, 2015, 03:16 PM:
Troy, I hear ya. Have never spent any time in Kanosh, but it's in a real nice spot, for sure.
Think I could by happy in Panguitch too, far as that goes. Probably quite a few towns in the general area I'd be happy.
Couldn't drag me into the Hurricane/St. George area though. My Mom has lived there for 20 years, the population has skyrocketed while she has been there. But nobody planned for ten times the people. Traffic is worse on a weekday in St. George than it is in Salt Lake and I mean it's not even close! And the summers are just man killers. I don't know how our Arizona brethren handle that kind of heat on a routine basis. Nice place to visit in the winter though!
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 03, 2015, 04:13 PM:
Sure as hell is a small world, Troy. I would have bet nobody had ever heard of the town. We were stopped for gas and asked about a good place for breakfast. The attendant, without hesitation recommended the Chinese place down the street. "Don't worry, they have two menus."
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: PS did the sporting good's store have a huge Paul Bunyon statue in the parking lot?
[ March 03, 2015, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on March 03, 2015, 05:36 PM:
No, I worked for Gart Brothers Sporting Goods. I was originally hired by Sunset Sports, then it was bought out by Herman's Sports, and then by Gart Bros. I had the same job they just kept changing owners and managers. I think Gart Bros eventually went under or at least I haven't seen any of their stores in years. I don't think my old store is a sporting goods store anymore. Maybe DAA knows what is there now?
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on March 03, 2015, 05:49 PM:
DAA, I hear you there! Panguitch is a nice town. I have a few good friends there. I was offered a teaching job there my first year out of college but they were so small it was only a part time deal. At the time I would given anything for it to have been full time. I ended up in Mt. Pleasant instead. Worst stinking place I've ever lived. The only thing I liked about Sanpete County was seeing it in my rear view mirror. That is one eff'ed up place!!!
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 03, 2015, 06:51 PM:
Dave mentioned pollution. I failed to mention that, kinda weird to think about perhaps when talking about Utah and Idaho.
Yes, it's an issue up here also. Winter of 13/14 was really bad. Seemed like most of December and January we were under a bad inversion.
Sometimes you don't realize how bad it is until ya come down from higher country and all you see is a brown foggy haze. It sucks..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 03, 2015, 08:51 PM:
Hmm? Sounds like "No Burn Days" is in your future?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 04, 2015, 06:23 AM:
I doubt I will ever leave Hell/Phoenix unless the Mexicans turn us into a blue state. Being retired means you can usually avoid rush hour here. I live on an Acre lot within a major city with a big house, a BIG shop, and a soon to be done reloading/man cave. What I really like about Phoenix is access to good medical doctors and hospitals. I discovered how important that is while fight prostate cancer. Within a two hours of Phoenix you can go from the desert to an alpine region. As far as our summers go, I'm a morning person. Getting up at 4:00 am isn't a problem to avoid working in the heat. If I had to move, I believe kanab, UT or Fredonia, Az would be my first choice. It is only about 1.5 hours to ST George where one could find good medical care and shopping.
OOPS I forgot: why Fredonia/Kanab, one hour from Lake Powell.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 04, 2015, 07:25 AM:
Yeah, I actually "like" the Phoenix area, Glendale, Scottsdale, etc. BUT. I would be very reluctant about moving there! Damn, the number of Alberta plates in the winter time is amazing!
I still remember the time we had a layover at Sky Harbor because the temperature was 123deg and the pilots had no setting for takeoff at that temperature!
Sure, the air conditioning is nice, but walking outside to your car, anytime after 10 A.M. actually takes your breath away. I think Phoenix invented Car Ports?
I have family in Phoenix and have been visiting regularly since the fifties. It has really grown since. One time, my wife booked a room, (I think it was on Van Buren, downtown about ten years ago. Driving in, we passed several bonfires set up in 55 gallon drums, right on the street. Reminded me of Miami, piles of garbage everywhere. No, not that bad, but bad.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on March 04, 2015, 08:00 AM:
Van Buren was a main Drag years ago now is a place where drug addicts find crack whores! Not a good place to drive your car could break down.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on March 04, 2015, 08:06 AM:
I am surprised that you booked on Van Buren most motels go by the hour. Even ten years ago most all of it was shit.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 04, 2015, 08:26 AM:
Downtown Phoenix has been a free fire zone since the 70s. Van Burean use to be the street one would pick up hookers. The center of downtown has been redeveloped and has turned around, but if you walk six blocks in either direction you are now in the hood. The suburbs of Phoenix is where most of the people live, and we do have some nice neighborhoods. Arizona is the only state with constitutional concealed carry that has a million plus populated city and a 4 million metro area.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 04, 2015, 09:00 AM:
Not Nancy's fault; she just innocently booked a room, on line. Hell, it was a Holliday Inn, if I remember correctly? Even had genuine Pakistani management. What could go wrong?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 04, 2015, 09:12 AM:
Koko probably knows where this is ? looks good to me !!
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/TL-03500-Guano-slough-Rd-Burns-OR-97720/2106084985 _zpid/
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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on March 04, 2015, 09:34 AM:
With each post you guys are making me even happier I kept moving north once I left Arizona. Heck, you are darn near scaring me enough to want to move to Canada next. After all it would just be a natural progression given my history of heading north to places with less people and more wildlife.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 04, 2015, 10:17 AM:
We ended up at a notell motel once in one of LA's finer shithole neighborhoods. We walked in and immediately out.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 04, 2015, 10:17 AM:
Seeing as how I'm on the same retirement plan as Dave, I've pondered the notion of heading somehwere tropical & get a job runnin' a battlewagon sportfishermen for some rich dude. Go to work in flip-flops & sunglasses, maintain & run the boat & tackle, rig baits, etc. Simple, happy life...wouldn't need much to eek out livin'. Fuck, would prolly be living right on the boat!
Would still haveta return stateside in the fall/winter for a spell, to get my fill of killing furry animals...
But I really don't think to far into the future. Try to make the most of living right now, and enjoying who & what I've already been blessed with. Reckon if I can learn to be content living in the now, it don't matter where I end up. Lordy knows, lat/lon #s have precious little to do with that part...
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 04, 2015, 10:32 AM:
"Run naked...be somebody"...Im considering this piece of property.
Mark
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 04, 2015, 10:51 AM:
Yeah, same "retirement" as my sister and when she got sick, the other people that worked for the city of Tacoma donated their sick days to help her out. Kind of a pathetic way to bow out, if you ask me?
Higgins said he will never retire. I hope he's wrong. Shit, I don't claim to be real sharp with that kind of planning, but the whole idea of working 'til I drop just never had much appeal.
But, that's the problem with a retirement plan like that. Your health. Nancy didn't even draw a year on her social security when she turned 62, 'course, she actually retired when she was fifty.
Man, if the "Golden Years" don't offer at least the luxury of sleeping in, that's a sad commentary on a life. If I had only listened to my CPA back when before I was thirty and he said something very simple; "Pay yourself first". Kinda required more discipline than I owned, or I would own an island in the Caribbean today.
And, while we are talking about nice places to live, as far as climate, there is no way to beat the Caribbean, aside from the fact that there are no coyotes. Yet.
Think of it, no heating, no air conditioning, pure white sand beaches with coconut palms. The water is the same as the air temperature, you don't need to towel off and it's like swimming in a salt water aquarium, every little fish you ever saw in a pet store or on the Discovery Channel; they are there, every day.
I used to spearfish when I was younger and that can easily satisfy the urge to hunt, plus Ursula, or even Holly berry might walk out of the surf and kneel at your feet....know what I mean, Vernon?
Think about it, and get back to me.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 04, 2015, 11:46 AM:
Just paid some more into my 401k-m-d future...
K- for Krieger
M- for McMillan
D- for Delta airlines
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 04, 2015, 01:05 PM:
Leonard, to each his own.
I like getting up early. Truly, like it. When I sleep in till 8am, even on a Sunday morning, I feel like I've wasted half a day. Hate that feeling.
And I like working. Truly, like it.
Getting up early, and going to work, that's reason enough to live, right there. For me?
Sleeping in, not having anything really productive to do? Shoot me, please. Fucking right in the ear, shoot me!
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 04, 2015, 01:26 PM:
I know. I sound black, huh? (just a joke, I know which way you lean)
I admit it, I lack ambition. Funny thing is, I get up more often between 5 and 6, never 8. But, my point is, I don't have to do any of it, if I don't want to. Seems like a freedom issue, to me? I am done accomplishing survival stuff. And, I'd prefer that my boring existence last for a long time. Please, no Obamacare bullet for this kid.
There is room for different philosophies as to the meaning of "life". One thing, believe it or not, I am content. Mellow in my old age. Who could have predicted that!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 04, 2015, 03:07 PM:
Dave;
The country looks familiar.
I used to hunt out of French Glenn to the Hart Mountain Coyote Refuge, among other places.
Good times.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on March 04, 2015, 03:21 PM:
Im on Leonards plan. I bailed at my first opportunity, which happened to be at age 48. Had put in 30 years with the telephone company, which at that time allowed one to retire with 30 years service or have a total between age/service of 75 years.
I have thought a few times "what if" I had stuck around, and how much better pension I would be getting if I hung around until 62 or 65? You never know, I might have worked till 65 and be room temperature at 66. Ive had many, many days during the last 12 years of retirement, that any day I choose to go out hunting, I go,and can pick the cherry days....Ive really enjoyed it.
I had a terrific job, but it was just that, a job, not a career I yearned to grow and move up in, just a good job that bought the beans and paid the mortgage.
There has not been a day since retirement that I have been bored or lacked something to do. Spent yesterday refurbishing a large chicken coop, hanging nest boxes, shoveling chicken shit off the floor etc. I find those tasks every bit as rewarding as any day I spent working my old job.....possibly even more?
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 04, 2015, 06:08 PM:
Well a man can dream right ?
This is about perfect for how I'm wired..
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/79871-Purdy-Rd-Burns-OR-97720/2111366774_zpid/
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 04, 2015, 06:54 PM:
Hey, that looks like Ted Kazinski's old place. You know, the Unibomber?
But, in retirement, I never get bored. I never needed a fricken JOB to stimulate my brain. I can do nothing, surf the Internet for hours, or look forward to shopping at Costco. I putter quite a bit. Like Vic, I have my own "chicken" and when I leave for Yucca Valley tomorrow morning, I think I will take him along. He doesn't like to be left alone. I visit my girlfriend just about once a week and she's 90 miles away. She likes Pinky too.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: see kokpelli on the wall? Looks just like him, donut?
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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 04, 2015, 07:49 PM:
Pinky is bad-azz..
Trade him for a couple of my wife's bunnies ?
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on March 04, 2015, 08:44 PM:
The grass is always looks a little greener somewhere else and it's fun to dream, but I don't see the wife and I moving camp any great distance from where we are now. If I had to choose, Montana, Wyoming, or Eastern Oregon would be my picks. We're pretty fortunate to live around quality people and things like traffic, large amounts of people, and crime are on the low scale.
The older I get (47) the less it takes to keep me occupied. Once upon a time, it all about hunting all the time. Anymore I'm pretty satisfied to hunt close to home and do the things that 20 years ago I would have considered a chore.
Like Vic, I can have a pretty good time doing some pretty basic stuff, like fixing fence or cutting a load of firewood. The other day, I spent most of it tromping around the woods looking for the perfect yew wood tree. My goal is to someday make a yew wood long bow. Why? Heck if I know, it just looks kind of interesting.
If we were to relocate, it would likely be having a second home or cabin of sorts to spend part of the year living on a little piece of acreage. A place where the neighbors are a fair distance away, you can shoot from the house, hunt from the house, take care of a few critters and generally just do the things that are available right out the front door.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on March 05, 2015, 02:39 AM:
I am much like Dave in that I would go to work any day and feel great satisfaction in that and would continue doing that as long as I could. I always had good positions of great responsibility or had a self made company where I was solely responsible I made great money and my people were well compensated ,treated well with a safe work environment. I made a huge mistake and had most my money tied up in real estate , what could go wrong then came 2008. whamo! broke overnite . Now I live on my social security and what money I can make doing small handy man remodel work. Then comes the illness never been sick a day in my life really. I am unable to work and probably will remain that way for some time. I did a vegetable garden in the back yard came out great only problem is what should have taken a day took four. I have started making knives , mostly primitive's at this time as I lack the proper machines. The wife is still long arm quilting and we get by, My point being I need something to do each day and a goal to look forward to and accomplish ,this make me content. Next project is a small quail raising operation , in the back yard. maybe some rabbits as well. We are all wired a little different Ain't it great!
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 05, 2015, 06:27 AM:
While recovering from a Radical Prostatectomy, 5lb lifting limit for two months, I read at least a dozen books. One of the books was "The American Sphinx: The Character of Thomas Jefferson". Thomas Jefferson believed the American Indians were the hap, hap, happiest people on earth. You are born into a culture where you know what is expected of you and you simply go about your day doing what you need to do. This is how many of you and myself are living out our retirement. While recovering I found great pleasure in waking our little dog on daily morning walks. The wife and I pretty much take on each day doing what we want to do. I enjoy fixing up the place while listening to mp3s on my phone. I have a very varied taste in music. My wife enjoys creating art/crafts.
The one issue I would have in moving would be insurance. The wife and I are still insured by my previous employer and we will stay on this insurance until 65 1/2 years of age when we go on medicare. My out of network medical expenses would be 30% of the cost until we met our deductibles if outside of Maricopa County. I also need to stay in the valley to manage our rental properties. I tried a property manager but he only managed to really piss me off. So I guess we are stuck here until medicare eligible and we do something about the rentals. But like I said previously, Arizona is a good place to live overall.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 05, 2015, 07:44 AM:
Ha! I did the same "Bath" as Paul talked about. Real Estate left a very bad taste in my mouth, I may never quite get over it. Also, I spend more than I make, so that has got to stop!
Huh? That can't be, I still have checks? My wife was always the practical one, had the balls to tell me NO!
But, you learn to live with a few adjustments, and the health issues need to be addressed. I just heard from a long time, old Club member this morning. Lost job, death in the family, etc.
Gotta be flexible. We won't see another Reagan, and Dickweed has two more years to fuck over America while nobody does anything about it!
One thing about it. If I had a Crystal Ball, way back, I could never envision how life would turn out, for me. You just cannot predict these events. Hell, I thought me and Nanc would die together, if I gave it any thought, at all. And, here I am. Can't seem to pull the trigger. (not that way) I need to move but it intimidates me and scares me.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on March 05, 2015, 09:26 AM:
Interesting reading the varied ideas about where to live in retirement. The best place I've ever lived was Juneau, Alaska but I knew I could never retire there. Alaska is for young people. I was 30 when I moved there and got to do stuff people who don't live there only dream of doing.
I was making plans to move to a place like Gold Beach, Oregon but the economy forced me to make other plans. I went where I could make a living. I spent 45 years in the telephone industry and with government deregulation came change. I went from Alaska to Vermont then to Maine and New Hampshire then back west to North Central Washington and finally to Oregon where I remarried. My wife is a doctor with an established practice but is getting ready to retire. Her entire family is in the northwest so it's unlikely that we will ever relocate but that's okay. I hate the politics of the state but we live in a pretty conservative county amongst like minded people. There's no sales tax yet but the libs are always at work trying to change that.
Climate here is livable and after living in SE Alaska for 15 years the rain here is easy to deal with. For me the best part is the coast. We sold our boat last year because my health is getting bad but I can still go out on a charter when I feel up to it and I don't have to maintain the boat. As much as I like hunting I like fishing more.I've been fortunate to have lived where I could do both. Only problem living on the west side of the state is that to get into good coyote hunting I have to drive a minimum of 5 hours and spend at least a couple of days to make it worthwhile.
I had no plans to retire when I did but Verizon forced out thousands of employees in 2003. I took a great offer and did do some consulting afterwards. Then when I went on Social Security I was limited to a smaller income so I decided rather than give money back to the government I would completely retire. I was warned by others that I would become bored but as yet that hasn't happened. The only bad days are, like right now, my arthritis flares up and I'm unable to do what I want. But I'm still not bored. And the best thing is I'm not under the pressure I was when I was working. My phone never rings in the middle of the night because some construction manager found my home number and wants to know when I'll be getting cable to his development. Nor am I being called out to troubleshoot a no service.
Now if I could just get healthy again life would be bliss.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 05, 2015, 09:41 AM:
Pinky looks delicious!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 05, 2015, 09:43 AM:
I hear ya, Moe. And, the young bucks don't know what the hell you are talking about. But they will. haha
You know, the first legit job I had, right out of the Army was with Pacific Bell, as an installer. Not too bad but those twelve hour days all summer long, well, got old, but the guy who gave me the heads up on the job, married to one of Nancy's best friends, he stuck it out way over thirty years, might have been forty, as I think about it? What happened to Roger? Well he got pancreatic cancer, two months short of planned retirement. He passed out and went into a coma, died a couple weeks later, without a clue as to what was going on. Shirley has become a hermit, let's her Mexican son-in-law run the house like he owns it. (some kinda Macho shit) But poor old Roger died in the saddle, just like DAA plans on doing. (shakes head)
Oh well, that's life.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: Lone howl. Looks delicious, eh? I will tell you one thing, this fucker ain't afraid of anything. He doesn't like my son, chased him all over the house! I think he actually could bite your finger off, if he wanted to? He bites holes in metal caps from the Starbucks Frapacino bottles, no plastic is safe, sometimes we call him, JAWS. We have a couple of blue jays that are always bombing him when he is outside. They want to steal his peanuts. But, when he flares up, he can be quite intimidating. (absolutely HATES gloves)
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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on March 05, 2015, 09:49 AM:
You can see a running theme in most all of the posts; in the end, it all boils down to health.
While we are young, it's about making money and assuming we will have money at retirement to enjoy the things we did when young, it's a conundrum for sure.
Of all the regrets a man on his deathbed may have, having more money is not one of them. I'd much rather have abundant health, than amassed wealth. If it cost a nickel to shit....I couldn't fart, but I do have general good health. I have the usual ache and pain that one usually acquires after hitting 60, but all in all, Im good to go, just not as gung ho as when I was 40.
leonard; Im fixing up the home place now, going to work on it for the next two years. You ought to sell you mansion in California, pull the trigger and buy my place here in coyote mecca,and you'd have a wad left over for gas and bullets:)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 05, 2015, 09:55 AM:
HA HA
I'll tell you one thing, fucking Boyd WOULD be mowing the grass!
edit: PS does the deed come with a detailed map, and the location of all those 85% stands?
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 05, 2015, 10:23 AM:
Here's Pinky. As soon as I walked out the door with gloves on, he flared up. Then I hung one on the side of the cage so he would turn and you can see his crest, where he gets his name; Salmon Crested Moluccan Cockatoo.
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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on March 05, 2015, 10:46 AM:
Senior year in highschool, my US Gov't teacher soberd us right the fuck up about retirement. At the time, the average length of retirement for a white male was ~7yrs, IIRC?
He went on to point out that those 7 yrs were the last 7 on Earth.
The last 7yrs after working your ass to the bone to "retire".
Those last 7yrs were the least healthy of one's life. Due to illness & aging, the inevitable accumulation of wear & tear on one's mind & body...
Mr. Stern really struck a cord with me, in 1992.
Combined with other life lessons, I surmised to not sweat or fret "retirement". I'd rather live day to day & enjoy each one. Not sayin' its right, just how I kinda got programmed into being...
Leonard, does your bird like hot peppers?
I remember a co-worker telling me that hot (really hot) peppers are good for his bird's digestive system?
We grow "ghost peppers" here on the roof at work, and those fuckers will melt the lining right outta your guts! But, he insisted that they are beneficial to his bird???
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on March 05, 2015, 10:56 AM:
Yes, working in the telephone industry as a craftsman or engineer requires you to miss a lot of summer activities. In Alaska I got 7 weeks of vacation at the end yet I couldn't take any of it in the summer construction season. I made good money so I could take the family south to a warmer clime but when my daughters were in school it was tough to do. I finally put my foot down and started spending a few weeks in the Yukon fly fishing in June before the construction got fully underway.
In the Fall, usually October, most of the work was done and if the weather held it was a good time to fish and hunt and because the fishing was great right out my back door I often went home after an 8 hour day and fished until midnight as it was still light enough to do that.
I also had a float plane for flying up into Canada onto a fly in only lake filled with hungry trout. The sky was filled with mosquitoes but a little Muskol took care of that. And no one within miles to disturb you. I sometimes miss that.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 05, 2015, 11:40 AM:
Yeah, the rule for us was no working at night, and summers have longer daylight so it was literally sun up to sun down. They payed for dinner if we worked past a certain time but I don't remember what it was? But still, I was going to school at night and it was so difficult that I had to decide what was more important, thus my phone company career ended. As far the craft, I had no problem working with my hands with tools. Actually, everybody laughed at Roger. He was kind of a big baby, always falling, tripping, getting bit by a black widow, wrist sprains, you name it? But, that's just the way it is in groups of men. Big guy, played football, but no athlete, by any means. More like Baby Huey. I apologize, R.I.P.
Cruising Down Memory Lane.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: Pinky will eat peppers sometimes, don't seem to bother him, but he's indifferent. Soda Crackers? Boy Howdy!
edit: one of the main things differentiates cockatoos from, "true parrots" is the erector feathers in the head. Plus, his entire vocabulary is about six understandable and forever repeatable words and a bunch of sounds like the phone, a hilarious human laugh, dog barks and unintelligible mumblings.
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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 05, 2015, 11:55 AM:
That's my take too Fred.
I do not expect long life, nor good health as I age. If I get either, great, I'll take it! But I'm not planning on them. My money says I don't live much past 70 and the last few years aren't going to be pretty.
Maybe 20 - 25 years to go.
So I'm not planning to retire. Like Fred said, I am much more about the right here and right now and making the most of it. What happens later, will happen. And I'll make the most of it too - whatever "it" happens to be.
I sock away a few bucks. If I find myself living to be 80 and not able to work the last 10 or 15 years, I won't have to eat cat food and sleep under the overpass. But I think of that money as my kids inheritance, not my retirement fund.
Health is certainly my Number One concern, for the future. But, it's also my Number One concern for the present! I do make quite an effort to keep myself as fit as I can - eat right, exercise, all that stuff. But, I mostly do that because I enjoy the benefits right NOW. Not because I really think it's going to make much difference when I get cancer in 15 years. My body is already failing me in some ways and I'm only 50. So...
But as far as "plans", yeah, I plan on working till I die. And I am very content with that.
- DAA
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 05, 2015, 12:00 PM:
P.S...
Moe's time in Alaska sounds awesome!!!
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 05, 2015, 12:57 PM:
I second that!
One comment on DAA's comments. The fact is, I always felt the same way about living in the now....which is why I did not plan financially as well as I could and should have. My kids are doing okay without my help. Well, not exactly true, but when I'm gone they will get something. But, if I spend every last dime and sleep under a bridge, that's okay.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by trapper2 (Member # 3651) on March 05, 2015, 04:51 PM:
went to a funeral of a real good friend and co worker this week, 73 yrs old, worked for the outfit 52 yrs. been in the hospital the last 2 monthes but he wouldn't have changed it, he wanted to work as long as he could, ran about 400 cows with his son in law and said he was happy when Monday came so he could go to work, just loved his job
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 06, 2015, 12:56 PM:
That would be great to love a job enough to work until the very end. I was never able to achieve that so I guess I'm very lucky to be able to retire except for the occasional rental fix up and/or repair.
I sorry to hear about Paul and Leonard's losses in real estate. I came close but the rent was always able to pay the mortgage so I rode it out. I knew it would have been a blood bath if I had to sell. I would have come close to breaking even on the selling price vs payoff, but even that would have killed my retirement plans. I purchased the rentals with a 1031 differed exchange in 1998 which would have me paying a bunch in capital gains and depreciation recovery if I sold in 2008. I still would have to pay all of the above but at least I have good equity now. I'll work the rentals until either I cannot perform my own repairs anymore or until the big one hits California. I don't wish the big one to hit because of friends and family that live on the left coast. However if it comes along I expect many families will leave and settle elsewhere such as Phoenix. About 200,000 people left Louisiana after Katrina. I expect at least that many to move here causing another boom then bust cycle. I want out during the boom.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 06, 2015, 02:50 PM:
But. What hurt me was remoteness, and evictions, vacancies and subsequent break Ins, vandalisms, even the theft of lawnmower and other yard stuff, you name it. Not to mention I had one tennant selling MY stuff to fund his drug habit! Good tennants are worth their weight in gold.
I had to bail for my peace of mind, couldn't have sold at a worse time but the cashflow was ridiculously negative. Glad it's over with even though I lost my ass, very serious money. Zillow keeps me well informed about the poor decisions I made, but makes it sound like "good news" your property values have increased this much! Really rubbing it in.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 06, 2015, 03:31 PM:
My job is stressful! I've seen folks still around over 60 years (of age) and it really puts a toll on them.. Older folk's bodies don't take stress as well..
That's why I want to be out of there by 58 if at all possible..
The big wildcard is shit like divorce
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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on March 06, 2015, 03:39 PM:
I had eight units once... Down to three. I used to love real estate. Not anymore.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 06, 2015, 03:46 PM:
It is easy to evict in Arizona for non payment. I can get it done in less that 30 days. If they are damaging the property or doing illegal activity it can be done in 20 days but you have to have proof. I imagine the state of commyfornia makes it harder on you landlords.
My rentals are an 18 minute drive from my house and they all have a home depot within two miles. The only thing I supply with the house is the refrigerator if they ask for it. With one rental while vacant, I kept having break ins and they would do stupid stuff just for laughs. I boarded up the house, 200 bucks in lumber, and purchased $800.00 in alarm equipment. Installed the alarm equipment behind the refrigerator and that stopped the break ins. I remove the alarm once rented.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 06, 2015, 04:38 PM:
I'll never be a landlord. Not wired correctly for it. Would get myself in prison, dealing with tenants. I mean it.
But a good friend, who has been a landlord for decades, has made many, many millions in real estate, tried to talk me into it for a long time. Until he happened to witness me getting my point across during an unpleasant conversation with someone. Driving away from the scene, he looked over at me and said, "well, I see what you mean now, about you being a landlord, and prison...".
But a piece of advice he gave me about renters, that I've used to good effect in other situations. He told me, look in the back seat of their car. Whatever the back seat of their car looks like, is what you're property is going to look like after they've lived in it.
I've been an observer of peoples back seats for about 20 years now, since he told me that. And I think he was really on to something, you really can tell a lot from that!
- DAA
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 06, 2015, 05:40 PM:
Same as Dave here...Ive done the landlord thing breifly, and I dont have the tolerence for shitty people. It is rare to get good renters. And yes...you always look at what they are driving, and how clean it is inside and out. Its 90 percent spot on at least.
Mark
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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 06, 2015, 06:09 PM:
My father taught me a long time ago. "Pay yourself first, 10% minimum", I try.
I also believe in live for today. Yea I know they conflict sometimes. I don't want to be that guy living under the bridge, or have to eat Kibble when I get older either.
I'm glad I have already done stuff I might not be able to do down the road. You never know. I, like many others felt bullet proof into my 30's. Worked tons of overtime, went to night school to further my career, etc.. Now I rarely work overtime. Hell I would be glad working 4 days a week if my boss would let me.
I'm in my early 50's and just can't do what I used to be able to do in my 40's. I am now starting to wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. <laffin>
However, I found out today, where I work there is talk about changing the retirement age from 62 to 55 with minimum 30 years service. I hope that goes through, I might retire next year. Health insurance will be a biggy though. Not sure about that yet.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 06, 2015, 07:49 PM:
Lonny,
I can appreciate where you're coming from. I haven't been to Lewiston in almost exactly 7 years now. I guess it's all pretty much the same ?
Actually in many ways northern Idaho would be very high on my list. Would sure miss BLM ground, but. It only gets me further from my family in central Oregon.
Plus those farmers up there have those side hill combines..Yikes !!!
Just kidding. It wouldn't matter to me. I just think it's interesting.
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Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on March 06, 2015, 08:32 PM:
DAA.....Yeah, it was. Here's a few pics.
Spring steelhead Chichagof Island
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Toy
King Salmon fishing at Taku inlet out of my 16' skiff
[ March 06, 2015, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: Moe ]
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on March 06, 2015, 08:50 PM:
One more. Fishing for halibut off of the floats at Basket Bay
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 07, 2015, 07:50 AM:
Looks envious, Moe. Thanks for sharing. I squinted a bit, wondering if we have met somewhere, but comes up blank?
On the health scene. My brother had open heart surgery this morning, doing fine, thus far. He's six years younger than me. You just never know when you are going to have your ticket punched.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 07, 2015, 08:08 AM:
Yup, pretty dang awesome alright!
- DAA
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on March 07, 2015, 08:18 AM:
From what Danny said you guys got into the CVCA after I'd moved to Alaska. I went to work in SE Asia for a while but when I got back I got right back into calling. Then I moved out to Barstow in about '69. I was there for almost 5 years before moving north. While out in Barstow I attended club activities but didn't make a lot of the monthly meetings. I know I have a few years on you and I think I did on Danny, too. A lot of the guys I knew in the old CVCA have passed.
I hear you about never knowing when you're going to get your ticket punched. From losing buddies in Vietnam to losing them to cancer and heart attacks at an early age I've seen it a bunch. Make the best of it.
[ March 07, 2015, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: Moe ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 07, 2015, 08:53 AM:
Hey El Bee;
By any chance is your brother's Dr. Jimmy Swan ???
Olympia has a pretty damn good cardiac care unit.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 07, 2015, 09:27 AM:
I will see if I can find out, without bothering the cunt he is married to.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 07, 2015, 10:39 AM:
"Can't Understand Normal Thinking"
The women sure don't like that name, but you knew that already.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 07, 2015, 11:01 AM:
Yeah, I'm sorry. Maybe "Bitch" would have been a better choice of words?
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 07, 2015, 11:46 AM:
I was just LOL about it, I once said that name in front of some women a long time ago, and even though non of us like the individual, they all jumped my ass for using that term.
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on March 08, 2015, 09:00 AM:
"Red Cunt Hair (RCH)" A basic unit of measurement.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on April 29, 2015, 11:46 AM:
Well, I have another group to complain about..Lol
Washington State !!
Yep, they're everywhere lately !! I don't get it, Kalifornia and Warshington plates everywhere !!
Where can ya hide ? Maybe those Kansas and Oklahoma boys got it figured out.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 29, 2015, 01:03 PM:
All winter i see almost as many Alberta plates in the SCOTTSDALE GLENDALE PHOENIX area as Arizona. Big oil boom up there, apparently lots of money to spend the harsh winters in the mild climate.
Good. Hunting. Elbee
Posted by Z (Member # 303) on May 01, 2015, 01:33 PM:
I am late to this party, but have to agree a lot with Ursus and DAA. I would move back to Montana in a heartbeat. The cold doesn't bother me because I am used to it. Harder in my old age though. Some of the best calling is when it is really cold. We never used to go out until the 1st of December when the furs were prime. Thanks to Foxpro if you haven't been out by Nov. 1st every coyote has by then heard every sound on a Foxpro. A lot of people are going back to hand calling for a change of pace. I am like DAA. I would like to die with my boots on. However, I plan to retire in 5 years. I have been all over Utah the past couple of years trying to find good hunting country. Know all of the places Dave and Troy mentioned. Not my preferred kind of coyote terrain. I know Dave and Chad shoot a few coyotes here, but they have lived here for years and know the area. I have to hunt 10 times harder here to call a coyote than in Montana. If I could I would retire back to Montana. However, my wife is from Phoenix. And the kids and grandkids are all here. Hunting coyotes in Montana is like heaven to me. But you can't eat blue sky and pine trees.
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on May 03, 2015, 12:40 PM:
Find some little podunk town like the one I live in. 200 people, 31/2 hours minimum to a ChinaMart. Town,Ely, is close enough but overpriced. Lots of coyote hunters though even for a county that has maybe 7000 people in it.And they all do know what a FoxPro sounds like. Seems you can't be a REAL coyote hunter unless you only know how to use a Foxpro...Walt
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 03, 2015, 01:41 PM:
Yeah, podunk is right. I think I've been through there over the past 40 odd years and never paid much attention to Ruth? Seems like I have killed a few badgers around there? Maybe?
But, I just bought a property here in Yucca Valley, signed less than two hours ago. This town is kind of Podunk, in a way, with a retirement and exmilitary flavor. Don't know how we did it but I even got a prop 13 exemption? Yes, I know; I'm nuts!
I hope I can still do AZ before too long but that would necessitate selling my house in Upland. <gulp>
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 04, 2015, 03:58 PM:
Yucca Valley ????
Isn't that kind of a retro San Fernando Valley hotter in the desert kind of place ??
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 04, 2015, 07:10 PM:
Yeah, it's high desert, but in the year and a half since my girlfriend has lived here, I have developed a decidedly positive attitude. I like it better than Hesperia and Victorville, that is urban sprawl with commuter traffic like you wouldn't believe.
Here, Yucca Valley is progressing much more than adjacent Morrongo Valley, 29 Palms or Joshua Tree. We might even get an In N Out! And sewage treatment and hookups is/are coming!
Shit, it's just a little desert town, I don't mean to sound like I work for the city of commerce.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS oh, and it puts me 90 miles closer to AZ. And, it will let me have a place to stay while I put my Upland house on the market. And, then WATCH OUT ! My bird says that a lot.
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