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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 04, 2015, 09:47 AM:
Noticed Dan, (the man) is talking about shutting down PP? Says Higgins has no interest, so might as well since it costs him $300 a year. Of course, others say no but don't offer to pay the $300. And, that's what happened to Coyote Gods...as far as I understand, anyway?
He who shall not be mentioned got in trouble over there and (I think) got banned? Maybe he will start his own board, running out of social places. Like I always said, just don't piss me off and he never managed to do that....just everybody else in cyberworld.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS but, don't worry, I still hear from him; regularily, in fact.
Posted by Rifleshooter (Member # 3983) on January 04, 2015, 05:21 PM:
Leonard, thee shall not count thee chickens before the hatch. They are in business for the next year. Dan (the man) can foot the bill indefinitely, you know that.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 04, 2015, 06:13 PM:
Well, the fact that Dan brought it up, and we all know he has more money than God and could host the site well into the next millennium, but he said the purpose was for Higgins to involve himself. And, he said that Higgins has no interest, so it begs the question, why prolong it? Just so Clever Gary and Fruit Loops have a place to hang out? Okay, maybe that's enough?
By the way, since nobody gives a shit, the recent BOARD WAR Armistice, through mutual agreement between myself and Dan, (the Man) resulted in two unusual events. First, Dan is reinstated on The New HuntmastersBBS.com, and second, I'm now a member over there. Neither of us has made a post, yet, but who knows?
I'm as shocked as anybody! You can be sure of that.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 04, 2015, 07:05 PM:
I enjoy the board over there actually, even though I sometimes dont agree with some of thier shit, but it's pretty dead. I just dont see a reason to keep it? But, most every predator calling forum has dwindled down to a trickle. Except, you know, PM...single handedly saving the sport of predator calling.
Mark
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 05, 2015, 06:58 AM:
I'm not counting my chickens, since I don't give a shit. Historically, I look at PP once every six months which is twice as frequent as PM.
But, as I think about it, really; Scotty needs it, more than anybody, it's his identity. Dan, if you have any compassion, keep it up and running, for Scotty's sake.
While you are at it, can you pay for HM too? On second thought, I haven't been contacted, maybe I paid for two years?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 05, 2015, 07:45 AM:
Perhaps I will piss some people off for saying this which is not my intention but the direction of that board took a turn for the worse at some point. People want to learn and discuss predator hunting, not air their grievances about other boards and the people on them. Constantly harping and running down individuals turns people off and some of it actually hurts us all.
Some of the talk over there has damaged the community and I think it needs to stop. But that's just my opinion.
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 05, 2015, 02:36 PM:
PP has never caught my interest.. nothing much goes on when I happen to stop by..
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on January 05, 2015, 06:11 PM:
Moe, I agree. It started out good enough but went more towards predator monsters than some place to learn.
Maybe forums are getting outdated? Other than this place, I've almost quit reading any other forums. I get on FB and skip over what everyone had for lunch and go straight to a couple of gun groups to buy or trade. But even that is limited.
Maybe we do need another e-caller war... Nothing brings out the numbers like a good old fashioned Internet fight.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 05, 2015, 06:36 PM:
Maybe forums are getting outdated Tom ?
This place seems to have the right blend of personalities IMO to keep things interesting.
Example, when guys post up dead coyote pics here , it always seems to be @ the right time. I can only look @ so many and it's boring..
It's like guys have to prove themselves. It doesn't take very long to read a guys post's and figure out he's killed or can kill coyotes.
Haven't read PMS in months..
(edit) checked there today. Yeah, it's pretty dead. I have no issues with anybody and they've always been friendly to me.
[ January 05, 2015, 06:40 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on January 05, 2015, 06:45 PM:
It's kinda funny, this is old software with no advertising. Leonard didn't update to the latest fashionable program nor has he accepted the need to turn this into a money maker and its stood the test of time.
Who'd of thunk it?
Edit, I checked in over there a few weeks ago and it was pretty dead. I have no issues with anyone there either. Just nothing to draw me over there.
[ January 05, 2015, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: TOM64 ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 05, 2015, 08:16 PM:
Have actually been considering an update for quite a while, but it just never seemed important enough to pull the trigger. And, it would take two upgrades to get on an even keel; kinda complicated but my son-in-law is quite capable, been with Apple for 25 years in Cupertino so he's the guy I lean on.
I never claimed to be a computer wennie. It can be done, if necessary. I just have not felt the need, and, (believe it or not) there are people that like a simple basic site.
Some of you may know that this is the third edition of HM, hence; The New Huntmasters. Twelve years this month, very close to this date, not sure exactly? Go to the first page in this Forum and look for the first post, if curious?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 05, 2015, 08:21 PM:
I guess I'm one of the ones that like this site for its simplicity.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 05, 2015, 08:39 PM:
Your loyalty is well appreciated, Chad. And, you are one of the few that "get it" when I start talking about night hunting.
I also like simple. You can figure this site out, and navigate in less than five minutes.
The problem, and reason why I have been pondering a change is security. There ain't any, to speak of. I read over on PP about their sophisticated encryption. Makes HM seem very inadequate.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 05, 2015, 08:58 PM:
I do like this simple format, but a little upgrade wouldn't be a bad thing if it's needed.
Mark
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 06, 2015, 12:31 AM:
If the it ain't broke........... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on January 06, 2015, 05:09 AM:
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid
My life motto
[ January 06, 2015, 05:10 AM: Message edited by: TOM64 ]
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 06, 2015, 06:10 AM:
Seems that there really is only a couple sites on predator hunting that seem to have a decent bunch of callers in them with enough experiance to be useful to a novice. This being one of them. But some sites were just too full of themselves and down on just about anybody that didn't think or act like they think one should act.And what's with the "post a pic of your blown-up coyote to prove you shot it" After 50 plus years of calling coyotes it's just another dead coyote. My wife used to tell me "Oh boy...another picture of another dead coyote..LAME Walter" And I have to agree.
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 06, 2015, 06:45 AM:
This has been a topic of discussion with a couple of my hunting friends and me.
The internet has brought out what I like to call Keyboard Killers. Guys who only read about calling on the boards then start giving advice like they've done it for years or the guys who hunt for all the wrong reasons like being an internet star. Or the guy who's killed one or two coyotes and then hands out advice like candy at a parade.
Some guys really have become successful callers and in a short time yet they want the stardom that the internet provides. They seem to get more pleasure from bragging it up than from the actual hunting.
Frankly, I think calling doesn't require a post graduate degree from MIT. Equipment to be successful is a rifle or shotgun, shooting sticks and a call, either an ecaller or a hand call. It's a cheap sport to get into. A little savvy goes into it but just about anyone with some degree of woodsmanship can catch on quickly. What makes a difference is the amount of time and dedication we put into it.
What I like about this place is that I haven't seen those types here. When I first got onto a board someone would ask a question so I'd answer it then before my keyboard cooled down someone would come right in behind me and contradict what I'd said. Pretty soon there were several other keyboard killers that disregarded my advice and the guy who asked the original question was so confused with bullshit he didn't know what to do. So I quit.
Posted by tawnoper (Member # 497) on January 06, 2015, 08:41 AM:
Oh yeah...what do you know Moe?! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Okay, I got a question for you. Are people who say they are "successful callers", but only use electronics to call in their critters, really "callers"? Would you call a dj a musician?
yeah, I'm bored.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 06, 2015, 09:15 AM:
It's hard to draw conclusions from a couple posts. But, over time, I can get the drift. Occasionally, once is all it takes.
When Moe began his cast of characters, I had an image in my head of exactly who he was talking about. In each example.
On this Board, there are those that are reluctant to offer an opinion, (for some reason) because they fear being shot down.
Actually, that's what I'm here for. I have nothing better to do than moderate, and if a poster is jumped on, I won't allow it to stand without addressing it, in some fashion.
Different points of view are always interesting. Sometimes, the old hands screw up and let slip some good advice. I encourage it.
I really believe we have a good staff available, ready and willing to discuss the finer points, or the more basic stuff, as needed.
So, thanks for participating, I appreciate contributions no matter how many kills you have. Or, I have. (thanks, Jimanez) To use a military term, "TIME IN GRADE" also counts for something, right koko?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: what's a successful caller? I'm not a purest, if you use a closed reed instead of the preferred open reed, you are still a successful caller, no matter that you only see an animal, one out of a dozen stands. Electronics work and they save effort and I use them. I can still manage with a hand call, God knows, I have enough of them, including the underreported, diaphram.
[ January 06, 2015, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 06, 2015, 09:25 AM:
quote:
When I first got onto a board someone would ask a question so I'd answer it then before my keyboard cooled down someone would come right in behind me and contradict what I'd said. Pretty soon there were several other keyboard killers that disregarded my advice and the guy who asked the original question was so confused with bullshit he didn't know what to do. So I quit.
Exactly! I've tried to describe that before, but you nailed it.
You answer a question that has a concrete, factually correct answer with the accurate information. Five clueless guys come along behind you and say "well, I like bacon, myself". The guy who asked the question ends up ignoring your factually correct and accurate information and says "geeze, I'm glad I posted and asked, I'm going with bacon for sure, I love this place!".
- DAA
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 06, 2015, 09:50 AM:
"Oh yeah...what do you know Moe?! [Big Grin]"
Since you're one of the hunting friends I referred to I won't bother answering that one.
I've seen enough of Dave's common sense posts to know he knows what the score is. I seldom jump into a conversation but I'll admit that when someone is floundering for an answer and I have it I will sometimes get sucked in. I guess at my age I know what I know and one of the things I know is I'm not too old to learn. And other than where to go I'm willing to answer a sincere question if I can.
And, yes, I do like bacon!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 06, 2015, 10:35 AM:
Well, in the above examples, not said, but understood is PMS. Fit's to a tee, at least the last time I looked? Maybe things have changed? ha!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 06, 2015, 11:20 AM:
"Okay, I got a question for you. Are people who say they are "successful callers", but only use electronics to call in their critters, really "callers"? Would you call a dj a musician?"
LMFAO!
Tawnoper......your dad's description of an ecaller just came back to me. "Jukebox." Funny stuff.
I have hunted by myself a lot and I have used the Foxpro exclusively on those days. Although Johnny Stewart made a caller that consisted of an industrial grade 45 RPM record player and a paging speaker back when I got into this game I couldn't afford the $100 to buy one. That was okay, tho, because the $3 I spent on the Weems paid off. I called for about 10 years before I got a second and third call. Wayne Thompson had just made the first plastic calls that I know if and because at that time I was leading everyone with animals turned in he gave me a jackrabbit call and a smaller coaxer and asked me to give him a report which I did.
The first time I blew on the coaxer I was so wrapped up in the sound I wasn't paying attention. I was leaning against a Joshua tree in the California desert when a coyote came in so fast I didn't realize what was happening in time to stop him so he jumped on me and tried to bite my face. I knocked him away once and he came back. I finally got my rifle up and took a potshot at him point blank. Then my rifle jammed and he sauntered off unharmed. I know that hand calls work but I'd rather have the call out away from me these days.
But really. Does using an electronic caller make you more effective? I have never thought so. I've been out with guys that sounded so bad on a hand call but still called in a lot of critters. Even with and ecaller you have to know the same things to be successful, Mainly where coyotes are likely to be.
But then I'm not a predator calling snob
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on January 06, 2015, 11:51 AM:
I was drawn to this board because it was a no BS kind of place—speak your piece, don’t piss off the big guy and everything is great . I am of the opinion that God gave me two ears and one mouth, and I try to use them in proportion.
I love the internet killer analogy! I think some people are so lacking in self esteem, they have to post enough stuff to see if something sticks and to see if they get approval from someone they don’t know, will never meet, and have never seen from halfway across the country. Kind of like the kid on the outside of the popular group in school that will do or say anything to get in good with the ‘in’ crowd and gain acceptance.
Hell , I love bacon, and have been known to clean the bore of my rifle with Skippy PB…outside of he who has no name, this is a place where one can still ask a question and get answers that aren’t condescending. I try to soak up all of the information from Fred, DAA, LB, Cdog, Kelly Jackson and the rest of you that have forgot more about the sport of calling, reloading and shooting than I have ever experienced.
There are some things I know a lot about and consider myself well versed, but this sport isn’t one of those things. Moe’s comment sums it up…”I guess at my age I know what I know and one of the things I know is I'm not too old to learn. And other than where to go I'm willing to answer a sincere question if I can.”
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 06, 2015, 12:52 PM:
These were my Dad's. I don't think he ever had the JS player to go with them though. What I do know he did with them, is copy them to tape. Reel-to-reel tape, not a little cassette.
Then he had this great big, ginormous, heavy as hell reel-to-reel tape player that took a shit load of D cells, and a metal horn speaker on a long cord.
All my earliest coyote hunts, I didn't get to carry a rifle, I had to carry that damn tape deck. It worked. I was pretty young and had nothing to compare to, but looking back, it worked real good.
But what a PITA!
When I got to be a teenager and started going out on my own, it was hand calls all the way baby. Dad have moved on to a JS cassette player by then, but I didn't even want to be bothered with that. Just a hand call or two in my pocket.
Eventually, quite a few years later, I started using the Foxpros and became enamored with them, especially that remote control without a cord and being able to easily get the sound away from me a little bit.
Anymore, I'm just a push button caller. I do still carry a few mouth calls and even use them, fairly often, actually, but I've become pretty much addicted to that push button calling.
- DAA
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 06, 2015, 01:01 PM:
Dang, those look mint!
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 06, 2015, 01:38 PM:
DAA........seriously......are you my kid??
When I worked in SE Asia during the Vietnam war era I was at Clark AFB in the Philippines. I bought a TEAC 5" reel to reel portable tape deck and ordered some Johnny Stewart 45 rpm's just like the ones in the picture. I then went to an electronics shop in Whittier and bought a 9" paging speaker and 50' of cable. I put the records on tape and took the gadget hunting when I got back to the US. Let me tell you.......it was effective. This was before the 8 track days so I put the thing on the front seat of my truck and played my music tapes on the machine, too. Since we mostly hunted at night we didn't have to carry it too far but I did make some daytime stands with it with some success. Nothing like a Foxpro, tho.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 06, 2015, 02:12 PM:
When I started, there was a cautionary tale about a couple guys sitting in a cab at night with the windows down, blowing on a Weems all call. Then, a bobcat jumped in the window and all hell broke loose. I remember this was related by Glenn Spainhour, a club officer, with a straight face. And, wide eyes in the audience.
I never had the record player. The very latest was something called a Port-a-four, for four track tapes. It was about the size of a container for a propane Coleman Lantern, with a handle on top.
Nevertheless, my first "portable, I made myself. I had access to sheetmvetal working stuff, shears, breaks etc and built a box to enclose speakers and a state of the art Motorola 8 track tape player. About the size of a loaf of bread, I tediously drilled a gazillion holes for the speakers.
Then, I made another box for an aircraft battery, that I bought from Sears Catalogue, had caps with check valves to prevent leaking while doing barrel rolls.
Then, I made a backpack for all of it, the purpose was for walking up cats, plug in the tape deck and a spotlight and believe me, it was worth it.
This rig was also useful for day stands even though it weighed more than twenty pounds. But, back in the day, I promise you, nobody had anything like it. I wish I had kept the damned thing just for the museum, and show Foxpro where their "original" ideas came from.
Yes, these new guys really have no idea.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 06, 2015, 04:17 PM:
Moe... Could be... That old tape deck was a TEAC. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
I'm not 100% sure, but I think it still exists, among my Dad's things at our place in Caliente.
- DAA
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 06, 2015, 04:23 PM:
Leonard,
I wish you'd have kept it too!
- DAA
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 06, 2015, 04:30 PM:
LB....here's what I know about a couple of stories I heard from the people involved.
Story one. Thumper McDowell from the Pasadena chapter was a professional musician. He got off work pretty late and was asked by a guy to take him out calling. It was a cold night and neither of them was dressed for it so they rolled all the windows down in the guy's station wagon while calling up in the Angeles Crest. A gray fox jumped into the station wagon through one of the windows and created a little havoc.
Story 2. Bernie Creamer, Old Timer on some boards, was sitting on the passenger side of a vehicle while they were calling at night somewhere off the road on private property. A bobcat came in on Bernie's side and he didn't see it. Bernie was moving his arm around and the bobcat attacked it ripping it up pretty good. Bernie told me this story a few years ago when I stopped in to visit him in Lake Havasu City. He tells it far better than I do.
I also have a story. A friend from work asked me to take him calling so I did. I had some property out near Hemet where we could get in behind a locked gate and make a couple of stands. You drove in from the road about 1/4 mile and passed the house then drove way back in another 1/3 to 1/2 mile to call. We got lazy and decided to just call from the truck while sitting in the cab. I started blowing on the call and a couple of minutes later my partner screamed bloody murder pushing himself against me. It scared the hell out of me. Finally I asked him what the hell happened. Well, when we drove past the house the farmer's German Shepard pup decided to follow us. My buddy dangled his hand out the window and was almost asleep when the pup came up and started licking it.
I shined the light around and found the dog just outside the truck by my door. It was all happy and wagging its tail so I got out and petted it. Funny stuff.
I was 19 when that happened.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 06, 2015, 05:52 PM:
I know Bernie, very nice man. He was a member of Covina Chapter for a while. I remember he shot a 270Weatherby, coyotes. That's hardcore!
I asked him for a cartridge for my collection, he remembered and gave me one the next time I saw him. I still have it.
Actually, that story of mine would make a hell of a lot more sense with a gray fox. I'd believe that one.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: I also have a story about a drunk squaw, out of nowhere, hanging on my arm, pitch dark. Scared the hell out of me!
How come we never met?
[ January 06, 2015, 05:54 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 06, 2015, 09:23 PM:
Hell, LB, maybe we did. Tawnoper's dad and I were in the same chapter and attended many of the same functions outside of the monthly meetings. He and and I remember stuff that happened but we don't remember each other.
When I joined the Pasadena chapter I was 20 but I'd been hunting with Art Parra for quite a while before joining. Because of what I learned from Art I hit the ground running. Since most of the guys were older than me I didn't fit into any of the cliques. I wasn't even old enough to go to a bar when I joined. Bernie was in the club before me but we don't remember each other from the old days but we remember events. I made all of the River hunts and as many club hunts as I could. I had to go to Hawaii, the Philippines and a few other garden spots I still can't talk about for a period of time, but I got right back into it when I got back.
When I joined we met down in the river bed in Pasadena but when I got back from working overseas we were meeting at various locations. In 1974 I moved to Alaska and didn't keep up with the club. Don Carper used to fly up to Juneau to go fishing every year and I talked with him a time or two. Other than that I lost touch with everyone including my hunting partners.
We talked about this some time ago but Pete Holfer was a good buddy and we did some calling together. I enjoyed hunting with Pete a lot. He could keep me in stitched for hours on end. Great guy. I know he died of cancer a few years ago. I'm sorry I didn't find him in time to talk with him one more time.
Art Parra and I were the ones who wound up getting the kit fox protected. At a club meeting Art took a big duffel bag to turn in the tails. Unfortunately there was a state DFG biologist there and when he saw the bag he came over and asked what was in it. We told him tails. He asked for a breakdown so I told him coyotes, bobcats and kit fox. He asked how many of each. I said like 6 cats, 8 coyotes and 89 kit fox. We did all that in 4 nights of hunting. He went back to work and got the kit fox protected. Some of the older members of the club including Carper tried to get the guy out to do a survey at night but he wouldn't change his mind. Funny because the area where we hunted the foxes was also great for pheasants. After the foxes were protected the pheasant population took a serious dive.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 06, 2015, 10:21 PM:
I remember once, we had a proposition from Pasadena, Chapter #1. They wanted a challenge hunt, San Gabriel and Pasadena. The negotiations dragged on but we never got past a location because Pasadena wanted checkout, check in at Little Lake. Most of the guys thought it gave an advantage to Pasadena because (apparently) they knew the area very well. Nobody budged and it didn't happen. Early 70's, maybe 1970?
Have you been by Little Lake lately? Nothing there. I remember long time ago, fairly decent restaurant. Burt down, too bad. Nothing there, now.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 06, 2015, 10:29 PM:
PS, the way I remember the kit fox deal; there was a lot of chatter about protecting them so a couple guys, might have been from Orange County they took the Fish and Game guy out one night. Apparently, (the way I heard it) they called well over fifty kit fox and killed a bunch of them. They went away thinking they convinced the guy that they were very plentiful, did not need protecting.
However, the report the guy turned in was that these critters needed immediate protection, or they were going to be wiped out in short order. So, the effort backfired and they have been a protected, endangered species ever since.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 07, 2015, 06:55 AM:
I was still in the club in '70 but I lived out in Barstow. I drove into Pasadena for the monthly meetings but I wasn't on any committees so I don't remember anything about a challenge hunt. I know the San Gabriel chapter had some good callers in it and that Pasadena was fading out when I left. I guess there was a resurgence after I moved to Alaska. According to Danny, anyway.
When I was out in Barstow some of the club members I knew would call me up and wanted for me to take them out which I did a few times. I'd take them to a few good spots I'd discovered near Barstow.
Yeah, Little Lake was a popular spot to meet for our hunts but more often we'd meet farther up 395 closer to Bishop and various locations. After the first couple of years I seldom hunted the Owens except on the club hunts. My favorite area was east of Barstow. It seems the areas where I was going was seldom hunted. At least at that time, anyway. We headed into Utah a few times and found some outstanding calling spots with totally dumb critters.
I've driven past Little Lake a few times in the last few years but nothing is like it was. Too bad. Our club swarmed the place and the owners loved us for the spike in business. We had some rowdy members but they were overlooked.
My wife and I try to hit Las Vegas each Fall. She flies down and I drive doing a little calling on the way down. Sometimes I get into Arizona where I've had some incredible days. Seems it's feast or famine there, tho. My daughters live in the Phoenix area and I'd visit with them around Christmas.
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 07, 2015, 07:07 AM:
PS: Tawnoper could fill us in on the kit fox survey thing. His dad was part of the group that took the biologist out.
Protecting them was bogus. Most nights we called up over 100 of them with 6 or 7 coming in on a single stand. They needed to be managed, tho. Closing them down entirely caused a lot of damage to the pheasant and other game bird populations.
When that biologist spoke at our meeting you could tell he was hostile towards our hunting, especially at night. He tried to convince us that critters aren't active at night and we'd do better in the early mornings and late evenings. A lot of us tried to set him straight but he wouldn't listen.
He got DFG to do a helicopter survey on the kit fox but it was done in the daytime. They saw nothing so he concluded that the kit fox population was endangered. We all know that the kit fox is primarily a nocturnal animal but evidently he didn't. Our club decided to get him out for a night of calling but we could've shown him a few thousand fix and it would make no difference. He'd already made up his mind. They're legal to shoot in Nevada still but the sub species is different and they aren't as numerous. I won't shoot them these days.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 07, 2015, 07:56 AM:
Right, I don't shoot them where it's legal, but the reason is more like not wasting a bullet, or not bothering in shooting jackrabbits, after bigger fish to fry. I don't normally shoot coons, either. Why fuk up a stand for an animal like that?
I saw a kit fox dragging a jack, once. Crossing the I-15 somewhere around Barstow, I think? Nearly equal in size, it was kinda funny.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 07, 2015, 08:13 AM:
I have been stopped and grilled over kit fox many times. They take that shit serious. I tell them the same thing what LB said...they aint worth fucking with even if I could shoot them.
Right where I live here, there are (San Joaquin) kit fox studies ongoing, and if you hunt enough around here, youll be stopped and questioned at some point.
Mark
Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on January 09, 2015, 08:00 AM:
Honestly, I believe Gary knows his shit and nearly every one of his posts are interesting and well written. I'm not boot licking, it's just how I see it. He doesn't look for fame and fortune, or people to like him, he just kills shit.
Same goes for Krusty (minus the coyote killing- sorry Krusty ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
). If he and Gary had a site, I'd read it all day long simply because they put a lot of thought into their writing and their use of the English language makes everything enjoyable. Even if I don't agree with a point of view of theirs, at least I'll enjoy reading it. They're smart guys and I can appreciate that.
[ January 09, 2015, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: Chris S ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2015, 10:17 AM:
Let me tell you something, Chris. Clever Gary may be highly intelligent, he may be the most handsome man in town, and you may enjoy reading his shit every day, but.
He is an evil son of a bitch. And, he has some warped concept that what he thinks is also Devine. Literally. He is pretty close to the most chickenshit man I have ever known. He has had a hard on for me for 15-20 years and I don't believe I ever actually harmed him or did anything to him personally? I think it's strictly philosophical, but I don't know what's involved, or care. Yes, he claims to be a champion of the english language. Whoppity do!
He's also a fucking Fascist. There is no compromise, it's his way or the highway. Then, there's this: He singlehandedly destroyed our State Organization out of jealously. He never could win anything, which made it justified, in his mind. Apparently, the one person that helped him dismantle the CSVCA, Don Jamroz is now on his shit list? At least it sounds that way from reading a few things he wrote?
If that asshole is your hero; you bear watching, Amigo.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: Chris, I am very disappointed to know that you are drinking his koolaid. Do yourself a favor. Find another Hero.
[ January 09, 2015, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on January 09, 2015, 10:54 AM:
I didn't say Gary was a hero, LB, I said I enjoy reading what he writes.
Sean Penn is a communist but he's a damn good actor and I still like his films.
I run with scissors, keep an eye on me anyway.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2015, 12:12 PM:
Okay, I stand corrected. You didn't say Gary was a hero, it just "sounded" like you thought so, to me.
Sean Penn might be the best actor who ever lived but I detest his politics and won't spend money to watch his movies so I can't have an opinion about his films. He's an asshole, by the way. He might be an Allstate safe driver too, for all I care. He might swing both ways, and probably does, but just because we lump Clever Gary and Sean Penn together doesn't necessarily mean they are both commie fags.
Yes, you run with scissors...(oh my god, your custom title has a typo!) and enjoy watching Sean Penn movies and reading Clever Gary's posts, but you still bear watching.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on January 09, 2015, 12:29 PM:
HA! Sean Penn was the only pinko commie I could think of at the time, so that's who I went with. I've never paid to see a film he was in, and won't and that stretches back to the time before I knew he was a commie.
I went out of my way to post that I WAS NOT BOOT LICKING in the original post.
And YES, I purposely posted that I ran with scissors so that you'd notice the error! Maybe I am just as diabolical as you think!
(I've heard both sides of the hate story from you and from Gary. His side of the story doesn't skew my view of you and your side doesn't skew my view of him.)
[ January 09, 2015, 12:44 PM: Message edited by: Chris S ]
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 09, 2015, 01:56 PM:
I can't believe I'm getting into this, BUT....Gary is on a vendetta against the calling clubs in California and is making his views and accusations public. I frankly don't give a rip about how articulate he is. What he's doing is reprehensible. Right now he has given more ammo for whoever it is that's against predator hunting than any of the people he's accusing of poaching and hunting illegally.
As I said, he's hurting the entire community. If you ain't got nothing good to say..........
Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on January 09, 2015, 02:07 PM:
Calling a spade a spade is reprehensible?
Poachers aren't reprehensible?
He's railing against the morons that sit idly by and let the shit go on. Sitting on one's hands because they don't want to rock the boat is worse, IMO, than being a whistle blower.
Reminds me of the good cop-bad cop code of silence.
[ January 09, 2015, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: Chris S ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2015, 02:55 PM:
Chris, old buddy. You don't know shit about this issue. I'm surprised you have an opinion about something you can't possibly know anything about. Just your use of the word poacher is ill-advised. And, ignorant.
Also, I suggest you stop defending that asshole or, you will (for sure) piss me off, and you know what that means.
I'm not kidding, I don't want another word out of you on this subject, starting now.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on January 10, 2015, 04:50 AM:
That didn't go over very well, now did it?
For the record, Moe brought up the word poaching, not me.
You're a little bit on edge these days LB, relax a little, it's not worth the stress, compadre.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 10, 2015, 09:18 AM:
For the record, Moe can use the word poaching all he wants to, but you can't! However, I don't see, in my cursory review, that Moe brought it up?
You are drinking Gary's Koolaid, and that lying son-of-a- bitch is an evil man. You have praised him enough on HM, do not push it. Actually, I can't figure what makes that asshole tick? He's definitely a NAZI type, it will be done his way or not at all. What he is, is a turncoat, a traitor and a friend to the bunny huggers. I'm telling you, if he was on fire, I wouldn't piss on him! There's something wrong with that boy.
Good hunting. El Bee
[ January 10, 2015, 09:20 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on January 10, 2015, 09:34 AM:
I'm not gonna lie, your post pissed me off a bit, LB. I had a nice adios amigo reply all written up. I decided to let it go,for the good of the people.
In the end it's not worth worrying about, ya know. It's a Web forum, no use in letting shit like that get me all wound up.
I'll channel my anger towards cops or Obama, where it belongs.
[ January 10, 2015, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: Chris S ]
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 10, 2015, 09:50 AM:
I'd channel all that energy to fighting your lame ass fish and wildlife division. What a bunch of bunny huggers infiltrateing an organization can do to ruin it for all of us.
Just an observation on my part. And I am a no-body in the world of predator hunting.Don't even have pictures to prove it.LOL
Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on January 10, 2015, 10:10 AM:
NVWalt, I've heard some good things about the calls you make and some hunting exploits, so you don't need pictures.
Posted by Rifleshooter (Member # 3983) on January 10, 2015, 10:19 AM:
Hey moe, how's the air up there where your head is? Firmly planted up LB's ass? I've noticed since you came here you hate everyone LB dislikes. There is always two sides to every story.
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on January 10, 2015, 11:13 AM:
For your information my history with the California clubs goes back farther than LB's. And I've observed Gary's being banned on site after site after spewing his venom. Sites that had nothing to do with the California clubs. He has a caustic way about him that aggravates some people.
As far as being Leonard's ally on certain individuals there are some I definitely side with him on but that doesn't make me his lackey. I've been around the web for quite a few years now and I've seen these individuals at work. Most people come to sites like this to discuss hunting predators which is a thing I do enjoy. And I enjoy reading posts about it. What I don't enjoy is someone whose apparent goal in life is tearing down an organization and the people in it for reasons I don't understand.
When Gary posted a rant about people like me being poachers and hunting illegally I have to take exception. Gary doesn't even know me or anything about my past. What I know about Gary is that he once called shooterjohn over at the californiapredatorsclub site a steaming pile of shit because John banned him. He also founded a couple of sites that consisted mostly of guys that got kicked out of predatormasters and all they did was bitch and gripe about that site. Nothing constructive.
Gary may be a knowledgeable caller and if he would stick to posting about calling and hunting he'd probably be an all right guy but that isn't what he does. I have trouble understanding why PP gives him a soapbox and allows him to trash others.
Frankly I'm sorry I entered this debate.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 10, 2015, 11:26 AM:
That's a fairly rude, and uncalled for comment, rifle shooter. I hope you are done, because you've already managed to piss me off, and that never turns out well.
Posted by Rifleshooter (Member # 3983) on January 10, 2015, 02:00 PM:
I well understand that, and I wonder why LB gives you a platform to trash people that don't/won't post here.
Predator Hunting Forums and their practices are none of your business. I thought I read one of LB's posts that trashing PHF or its members was not going to be tolerated here. So you must be a special case.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 10, 2015, 04:24 PM:
Okay, I'm thinking the above "last words" are directed at Moe and not me, but it doesn't really matter, your permissions are disabled, Amigo.
Even for a lawyer, your reading comprehension needs work, BTW.
Sorry things didn't work out. There's bound to be other places on the 'net to share your opinions.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: and Chris, what a relief you decided to "let it go"
quote:
I'm not gonna lie, your post pissed me off a bit, LB. I had a nice adios amigo reply all written up. I decided to let it go,for the good of the people.
I'm not going to lie either, your comments pissed me off big time. Free advice, shut the fuck up, or hang out on PP for all I care, but I am not entertaining any more from you about Clever Gary.
[ January 10, 2015, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 11, 2015, 11:00 AM:
Any other Gary Clevenger defenders out there, might as well get it over with while I'm in the mood to take no prisoners.
I really have to say that Chris's comments, swallowing Gary's bullshit really touched a nerve. I guess it's like the Communist Big Lie, you tell a lie often enough, low information people say, "yeah, I've heard that before, must be true". And, Chris is drinking his koolaid, big time. Sometimes it's not adequate to say; I did NOT just stop beating my wife. And, that's where this asshole has an advantage, he's on a quest and he is damning a lot of good people with his outrageous lies.
Chris is already a rare bird, he was banned once, full treatment, and I couldn't even give him back his original screen name. He still has an account and can use it....with discretion. One can only hope. LB
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on January 11, 2015, 12:34 PM:
Popcorn's stale. Cold, too, and needs more butter.
Facebook is great. Use it every day. Respect all of you and hate to see the infighting. Damned shame. Won't take sides unless and until someone gives me a reason, then I start a new side - my side.
Every battle has at least two sides and, if it's my business, I'll gladly listen to both.
As far as pics on the interweb, you can either write about how good you are, or you can show it. If there aren't pics, it didn't happen. Pretty common mantra these days. I post pics on my facebook page to reaffirm to people that read my stuff that I may very well know my shit.
Killed this sweet double this morning on the first stand.
Numbers 74 and 75 for the season for me and "the crew"* Post pics about every kill on Facebook as a matter of public record. Have been contacted and been able to help several ppl who saw those posts on FB. I don't maintain a web site and I don't sell DVD's saying look at me. Look at my FB page and decide for yourself if I'm worth the time to listen to. No big product line. No self promotion. Just me, my record, and an idea.
(*- Kevin, and sometimes Mark, my other gunner. I like the company. They keep me from dwelling on my shit life and ruining an otherwise blessed day.)
I either "know my shit", or I'm damned lucky. LOL
[ January 11, 2015, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 11, 2015, 12:55 PM:
Well Lance, I guess you got me. I know it's not your intent, but the truth is, I don't take or post a lot of photographic evidence. Therefore, I'm nothing, I guess?
That's the thing, you either believe someone based on the truth of their statements, or you look at their hero shots? I guess that's what TT did with someone's photos, a while back.
Anyway, if you post more pics than somebody else, you are more expert? OK
I already had NASA tell everybody that my moldy trophies didn't mean shit. While he and Clever Gary have none....
But, I'm not looking for glory. Just talking.
You are a good member, Lance. Hey, I still have a call you made, a Diablo, in the baggie, never used.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 11, 2015, 01:03 PM:
Video, or it didn't happen. Pics don't mean a a thing.
Lol just kidding. I'm nobody but like I've said in the past, I love pics, but it don't prove you shot anything? Everyone still has to take your word for it.
That's nit picky, but you could boil it down to that.
Mark
[ January 11, 2015, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 11, 2015, 01:32 PM:
I like talking pictures and posting them. But not of garden variety dead coyotes. I mean, I do once in awhile but not very often. Just don't care to. Dead coyote pictures are pretty damn boring.
But I don't claim any skill or knowledge that I need to prove either.
- DAA
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 11, 2015, 01:35 PM:
Oh and forgot to add that Facebook sucks...
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 11, 2015, 01:47 PM:
Right on, Dave. You do not need to prove anything, as far as the rest of us are concerned. Personally, I think you know what you are talking about and as you say, that's really all that counts. Somebody either has credibility, or they don't.
You know what, you must be some sort of exceptional woodsman just to take the photos you do! I couldn't do that, if I tried.
And, while I do not know this for a fact, because I have never belonged, I agree; FACE BOOK SUCKS.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on January 11, 2015, 02:21 PM:
Facebook is, like anything else on the web, whatever you make it out to be. If you wanna spill your guts and bleed all over people, so be it. The site is like a marketplace. People don't like what you're offering, you get unfollowed or unfriended, and if and when you don't get a clue, you find yourself essentially talking to yourself.
Posting grip and grins doesn't mean anyone is an expert. Like you said, you have credibility or you don't. You don't have anything to prove to anyone.
I, on the other hand, like to make sure that people who like to read my material are confident that I'm not out grabbing up road kill and just claiming, as one of those keyboard killers, that I'm a coyote hunter. I have competition with all the other guys writing, video-ing, and the like. People don't see those other forms of media in the temporal sense. They don't realize that a one-hour DVD with "28 kills!" took nearly two years to collect enough video footage to make, so I post 'em as I kill 'em and have witnesses to back up every dead coyote should anyone ever feel the need to challenge my street cred. After all, that would be a shit load of roadkilled coyotes.
As far as being a good member, I try my best. Pretty much no one ever fucks with me and I don't go out of my way to yank anyone else's chain unless they start it first. Life's too short.
I consider you a friend, even if I've never spoken with you other than here. I also consider Higgins a good friend, as well as Tom Turner. I know the issues. I've heard your side, and in some cases, the other side. It's not my business and I'm fine accepting the fact that you guys each have your reasons for taking the stances you've taken. I have pretty stubborn convictions on some things that outsiders look at and wonder, "WTF?" and, to them, my position may seem irrational and unreasonable. But, there are things about the situation they don't know, and those things are the critical tipping points for me. I presume you have your own tipping points where you have drawn the line. I'm cool with that. I get along with each of you and do not feel the need to be exclusively loyal to any one of you, and I appreciate that you're all big enough men not to expect me to. Here, as in the "real world", not all my friends are friends with one another, too.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 11, 2015, 04:46 PM:
I have posted a few photos over the years but very few. But definitely not to prove anything or even brag pictures. I really don't take very many pictures unless it was a special hunt that really meant something. But more often than not there are no photos taken.
And yes I agree Facebook sucks. No interest in joining whatsoever.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 11, 2015, 06:32 PM:
When it comes to photos, I like putting a face to the name and more than anything, I like to see the country the posting person hunts.
I also like to look at the equipment others use. Rifles, calls, clothing, sticks, bipod, etc.. If a guy has proven they know what they are doing they probably got the equipment part down too.
A photo is nice and can make a post more interesting, but isn't needed to build credibility in my book. It's pretty easy to see who has been around from reading their posts(and no, I don't consider myself one of those guys).
Really, unless a coyote is something special as far as size or color, if you've seen a few, you've pretty much seen them all. Like my wife said the other day, when going through the camera, "Just a picture of another dead coyote."
[ January 11, 2015, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: Lonny ]
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 11, 2015, 06:33 PM:
last post here (even if i did'nt want it to be)as i'm sure LB's somewhat large ego will make me go away.
i don't know who this Gary is, but like someone said earlier, there are TWO sides to every story.
Leonard, you are a very discrete pot stirring sob. i quit posting here a year ago when YOU started to try stirring up shit between me and Tim. i lost sleep over it!!.
i was a mean mother-fucker when i was younger but managed over the years to get a grip on it and YOU brought it back to life by posting shit on this site about Tim bad-mouthing me. had my truck gassed up gonna make a trip to go see him but member DIYI talked me out of it.
soon after, you did it again!!.
Tim sent me a p.m. stating you were just pulling my leg.
you ai'nt no fucking Daisy yourself!!.
after the last go-round with Dan (the man), why even bring this thread up??.
are YOU trying to gain more exceptance?? seem's 1 by 1, you're pissing off more and more people by the week.
as for posting pictures with dead coyotes, personally, i LOVE EM. this is a fucking hunting site right?? i don't see someone posting pictures of dead shit as bragging at all. can't believe you do?.
you are quick to dwell on the past when there were few pred. hunters and they we're seamingly easy to kill. what about now. you struggeling?.
do you even hunt anymore?. when is the last time YOU have posted about a recent hunting adventure?.
i've posted pic's of coyotes several times here over the years with nary a responces, yet Troy will post pics of a fish or a deer and you damn near hump his leg??. (no harm intended Troy).
over the years, i really came to appreciate this site. good bunch of fellas that gave good advice., but YOU seem to always come back and post something about how YOU did it way back when.
you still with the tall blonde??. you were quite hot n heavy posting about that awhile back.
as for Chris S. thats purdy lame shit to threaten him about naming Gary's name. as if life can't go on without HM's.
bottom line Leonard, you have quite an ego. you are just to narcisist to see it!.
killed # 53 today. Denise and I went for a 2 dayer into ND. had a fun time. took some pics but have a new computer and can't seem to figger out how to do pics yet. here's a thripple (grin) from a while back. just so you fellas know i DID (and can) kill an occasonal one. no road kills
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
now with that, let the long arm of LB strike me dead....... ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
[ January 11, 2015, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: the bearhunter ]
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 11, 2015, 06:39 PM:
Bear,
Do you call and shoot prone more often than not in country liked you posted?
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on January 11, 2015, 07:19 PM:
Lots of truth slipped out in bears post.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on January 11, 2015, 07:52 PM:
Nice looking coyotes. Triples are noteworthy. If you call and shoot prone, I salute you. That's how Q does a lot of calling. My neck doesn't take that sharp an upturn for long before I'm hurting bad. And a belly full of cactus needles doesn't help. either. End up looking like you have fleas with all the little red "bites" on you. There isn't a single damned man-sized area that's cacti-free in western Nebraska to lay prone and that just sucks.
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 12, 2015, 08:00 AM:
Lonny/Lance. i've always shot prone. try to find spots where its possible ai'nt always possible though LOL.
i made a resolution earlier this year to practice shooting while sitting using sticks/tall bipod. never followed through with it and its cost me dearly this fall/winter. have been mostly using a 27" bipod this year and have missed/wounded more coyotes than the last 5 years combined.
hurts watching a 50-100.00$ bill run away.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on January 12, 2015, 09:36 AM:
It all has to do with your area. I'm in tall- and mixed-grass prairie where you usually have to sit up to be able to see over the ground cover. There are a few spots I can lie prone, but two bad disks in my neck make that a very short-term option, especially if I'm blowing a mouth call. In those instances, I usually try to use the ecaller and end up tilting my head to port or starboard just to be almost pain free. Been using sticks exclusively for over a decade now. Always surprised how many guys who want to hunt with me shun the idea of sticks at first, but very quickly become dependent upon them. Once you learn the mechanics of using them, they become second nature and an extension of your body connecting you to the rifle. I got the double yesterday over sticks and after years of practice, I can look back now and barely recall shooting, then picking up the entire collection of sticks and rifle, rotating about 80-degrees to the right, resetting the sticks, shouldering and firing again. Muscle memory and automatic for me anymore. All but used up a set of snap caps teaching myself that. LOL Same with resetting the safety. Had another double early last week that I shot the first, and when the second popped out and I went to shoot, the safety was on. Don't remember putting it back on, but I've practiced to always shoot, reset safety and re-index my trigger finger alongside the rifle, outside the trigger guard and move the sticks and rifle using my right hand with the butt of the rifle stock pulled into my shoulder (left-handed shooter, shooting an AR15).
[ January 12, 2015, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2015, 10:34 AM:
Bear hunter, you can stay or whatever. I am sorry and apologize if I offended you about (he who shall not be named) You got me wrong, Amigo. That's ok, I never attempted to please everybody, because I found out, try as I might, some asshole would take offense. I don't know what it is about a free speech forum that some people don't understand? Some places, your post wouldn't last five minutes.
And, if you don't like hearing about the good old days, you can kiss my ass. Back in the day, I was nobody to mess with. But I am so much more mellow now!
Anyway, thanks for sharing. (humping leg)
Good hunting. El Bee
PS which reminds me; yes on that six foot blonde! She was just down for the weekend. Damn, should have been there!
edit: I noticed that Huber always shot prone, on a stand. That works fine, in South Dakota. You won't want to be without a stool and shooting sticks in Arizona. And, many other places.
[ January 12, 2015, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2015, 10:40 AM:
Rifleshooter, your permissions are open. Sorry about the misunderstanding. LB
quote:
Hey moe, how's the air up there where your head is? Firmly planted up LB's ass? I've noticed since you came here you hate everyone LB dislikes. There is always two sides to every story.
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edit: For what it's worth, I would point out that this same situation exists on other boards.
[ January 12, 2015, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 12, 2015, 04:20 PM:
Lance. its not that i'm not comfortable shooting of sticks/tall pod. for a fat guy, i can still move quite quick.
its just that even at 200 yards, i'm just not super steady. laying prone, a 300 yard shot is mostly a chip shot but i've missed several at 100 yards shooting off sticks.
a while back, i went to MT for a few days. calling was excellent but i missed or poorly hit more than i care to admit. my brother was pissed he ai'nt used to me missing them shots.
one thing for sure i need to do is build up the top of the rubber shoe on the tall pod. its got a flat area where it meets the rod and that snags on grass real bad when ya gotta lift and turn.
i'll get around to practicing more this summer but from here on out, i'm going prone for this fur season.
Leonard. i surley don't mind hearing about the "good old days". enjoy it actually.
but you seem stuck on it. so seriously, when is the last time you actually went out and called/killed coyotes??. its apparent here, most guys don't post pics (is it because of you?) but at least they post about recent hunts.
i started building/remodeling 30 years ago but equiptment/materials/codes have changed in that time so i've had to also.
to a degree, so has calling coyotes. when i started calling, it was not uncommom to call in and kill a pair of older coyotes. now, YOY are BY FAR the norm. they are getting educated for sure.
so fess up. there is no dought you were a good coyote hunter in years past but lets go back 5 years and give us a bit of history on how its been for you.
maybe post a few pics also. i don't think anyone here will consider it bragging?. i won't.
and i'll pass on kissing your ass. not very good at doing such things.
edited too add: that "Amigo" shit gets old
[ January 12, 2015, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: the bearhunter ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2015, 05:06 PM:
quote:
Leonard. i surley don't mind hearing about the "good old days". enjoy it actually.
but you seem stuck on it. so seriously, when is the last time you actually went out and called/killed coyotes??. its apparent here, most guys don't post pics (is it because of you?) but at least they post about recent hunts.
I talked about it and just recently returned from a five day trip to extreme northern Nevada. Weather did not cooperate the last two days. In all I put 1,400 miles on my truck.
Sorry, didn't take a single photo, oh yeah I did take one to send to the blonde Amazon. Let me see if I can find it.
Good hunting. El Bee
edited to add. As long as we are being honest, you have a damned short fuse, Amigo.
edit: Look, you might live in the wilderness but I live in the city. We have to drive at least 75 miles past Barstow, just to shoot cans. Every trip for me is a big deal, I can't go out on an afternoon after work and kill a double like some of these guys. It's always been that way. People around here are not hunters, I am a rarity, yet I do it and have for 50 years. I never have and sure as hell do not have to prove anything to you. If you think I'm not current enough for your taste, why don't you go somewhere else where there are more "pros" like you?
edit: I spent almost 30 minutes trying to upload a video. No dead animals in it so of very little interest for our Amigo.
edit: Look, Amigo I never asked anybody to kiss my ass, much less such a short fuse as you appear to be. Now, if you consider this to be poking at you, you may finally be correct. Previously, I had no clue I was getting under your skin, and I regretted being responsible. Seriously. But, right now, if you want to quarrel about my bonafides, I owe you not even the fucking time of day, so why don't you just kiss my ass, and get lost?
[ January 12, 2015, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on January 12, 2015, 06:08 PM:
Tomorrow I turn 45!!! Wooo hooo!! Man o man o man the years are flying by. I am already feeling old. I know there are lots of old farts here. I am just curious...Is there anyone younger than me here?!?!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2015, 06:16 PM:
Congratulations. You still working on a baseball team?
You have emailed me a request for your password several times in the past year or so, and then, never post....except on PP.
Anyway, nice to hear from you.
Good hunting. El Bee
No we have new younger members than you. Hello, Fur?
[ January 12, 2015, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on January 12, 2015, 06:17 PM:
I am always being accused of being juvenile....does that count?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2015, 06:30 PM:
For Bearhunter. The video was actually kind of funny. There we were in a friggin' blizzard and my passenger window got stuck down. Drove to Elko and called AAA but they didn't know what to do; but sign here.
So, we found a video on YouTube that explained how to take the door apart. Believe me this was really a lot funnier than it sounds at night afraid to even leave the truck to get a bite to eat. So we managed to take it apart and force it up and kept the door locked on the drivers side.
Like I said, you wouldn't find it very interesting anyway, no dead stuff. But the Blonde Amazon did find it amusing. I was able to send it to her iPhone, but that's the limit of my expertise as far as the tech side.
Good hunting. El Bee
[ January 12, 2015, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 12, 2015, 06:32 PM:
edit: Look, Amigo I never asked anybody to kiss my ass,
And, if you don't like hearing about the good old days, you can kiss my ass.
i quess i need to go back to school. reading better be my major.
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i'll be old and senile someday too
Leonard. i've got 4 p.m's today on 2 different sites from fellas i did'nt know even visited your site.
ya wanno know what they all said??
i ai'nt got a short fuse.just getting better at calling people out that are wrong.
leave this shit between you and your pals from the past GO..... AI'NT NOTHING GOOD BECOMING OF IT!!.
[ January 12, 2015, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: the bearhunter ]
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on January 12, 2015, 06:44 PM:
Hi Leonard, Hi CrossJ - Nope doesn't count. I am that too. My mom was in the hospital for about a month recently. We were there often to visit. Almost every doctor nurse and anyone on staff is a kid. I thought you had to be a full blast adult to work there.
Anyway, a few years ago, I got really broke. I am almost un-broke now - Praise God!! I had to pour any free time I had into work. I do still read the boards fairly frequently, just not as religiously as before. I still take my boys hunting as often as possible though.
One summer a few years back when everybody was bored it seems every other thread just turned into Tim bashing and Gossip. It got kind of boring for me. I did start spending a lot of time reading Arrowhead and artifact collecting forums. That is one of our main family hobbies during the summer. It goes hand in hand with hunting around for snakes, lizards, toads frogs, whatever. Anyway, my internet inerests be a me divided. But as already stated, I lurk often! It is great being able to come here and read posts by people I've gotten to know so well by their posts. Seriously, although I haven't posted much lately, I still have hundreds, who knows, maybe thousands of hours reading over posts here at HM!
It's a nice barrio!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2015, 06:46 PM:
There is proof you are out of your element. Those two statements mean completely different things. You can kiss my ass is the same as "fuck you"
"kissing my ass" is something when you are trying to get on the good side of the boss, like bringing him coffee, etc.
So, great. I'm tired of fucking around with a dilettante that has such a poor command of the English language. Bye to you, too.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: quote:
between you and your pals from the past GO..... AI'NT NOTHING GOOD BECOMING OF IT!!.
PS something about the weather up in the north woods? Geez, what a bunch of loonies!
Here we have a bunch of anonymous chickenshits giving me advice. Unbelievable. What they don't understand is: YOU FUCKING MORONS, I DIDN'T START IT, THEY DID! And, pick a fight with me and you have my attention. Okay, Amigo?
[ January 12, 2015, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 12, 2015, 07:53 PM:
My soul purpose here is to bring down the age average..
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 12, 2015, 08:02 PM:
Im 28...ish
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on January 12, 2015, 09:08 PM:
Loco, I hear you on the 'board war' stuff. I have drifted away from the other sites....but I still come here. Know and have met alot of these ol' geezers personally, which tends to put a different light on things.
I was wondering though, on your other forums, did you find similar grumbelings? I know for me, some of the welding forums I frequented, it was the same old bitchin'.....kinda comical actually.
Something I do think interesting that BH mentioned...there does seem to be a lot of lurkers here.
Good to hear from you Loco, hope your critters are all doing well.
Posted by 92soggy (Member # 4362) on January 12, 2015, 09:22 PM:
I'm just a kid at 28, do i win the prize???
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 12, 2015, 10:04 PM:
I used to say, I have shoes older than 28. Probably more than a dozen pair, if I bothered to count them?
But, I have guns I haven't fired in 28 years. Some of my gear is that old, for sure I have thousands of dollars worth of tools that are older than 28 years.
I don't even remember being 28, but I know I bought my first house when I was 25 and it cost less than a new pick up, today. My first pickup believe it or not, cost exactly $1,830, new. It was one of the first Datsuns, 1969, and I drove that thing everywhere. It wouldn't do over 75 or get really great mileage, but it could go anywhere.
Oh well, just going down memory lane for Amigo and the lurkers. Lurkers, by the way, have an inferiority complex, they know they have nothing worthwhile to add; just like chickenshits everywhere; all they can do is whisper and stab you in the back.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on January 12, 2015, 10:16 PM:
Alright, I was fibbing...Im 46.
Mark
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 13, 2015, 03:56 AM:
Hey Loco,
Good to see that you're back.
Funny about needing to be an adult to work the hospital. I used to suspect that they let my Dr. out of High School early afternoons to see patients and `practice`.
Heads up; Age 45 is when the Exit Only sign on your ass begins to fade. At age 50 they have this garden hose with a video camera duct taped to the end ................
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 13, 2015, 04:25 AM:
Hey Danny, post up more often!
I visit a couple offroad and hiking forums daily. Am a regular poster on them. Have never seen anything along the lines of a board war in that realm. Guys with certain vehicles or that do certain types of wheeling tend to gather on certain boards, but the boards seem mostly pretty friendly with each other. No drama.
Predator hunters tend to be more solitary by nature, and secretive and competitive and egotistical. We, as a group, generally speaking, fight with each other a lot. Alphas trying to piss on each other. One of the reasons I've always said that any effort to "organize" coyote hunters for a purpose is doomed to fail.
- DAA
Posted by KaBloomR (Member # 4252) on January 13, 2015, 05:04 AM:
Well, I have to admit that I'm a lurker here. And I can't say I contribute anything of worth to those that know it all. But I have to take offense of being accused of having an inferiority complex. And chickenshit? I'd gladly tell someone what I think of them face to face.
Edited due to inappropriate content.
[ January 13, 2015, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: KaBloomR ]
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 13, 2015, 05:22 AM:
Interesting observation, Dave.
One thing to add, regarding forum drama & whatnot. This place is unlike most any other board, in that Leonard alone pays the bills and he does't take any advertising dollars.
Considering that, I try to conduct myself as though I'm literally sitting in Leonard's living room when posting here. To a one, I don't think ANY of us would tolerate much in the way of being shit on in our own house. Justified, or not...
And by pointing that out, I'm not wanting to shit on anyone else for having a bone to pick. There is some BS that I ain't crazy about, either. Rabble rousing "emails" from a proven shithead, being one in particular. But in the end, I'm the fuckin' idiot if I take the bait. And.........
This place ain't my house.
I'm a guest, know where the door is, and realize I'm free to leave at any time. Just sayin'...
Gotta take da good wit da bad, sometimes. And when the bad part is taken in context as being petty drivel, then why even pay it any mind???
For the record, I just turned 41.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on January 13, 2015, 07:22 AM:
I'm an ass in person same as on the net. Some get me some don't.
I just turned 50
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 13, 2015, 08:14 AM:
quote:
Well, I have to admit that I'm a lurker here. And I can't say I contribute anything of worth to those that know it all. But I have to take offense of being accused of having an inferiority complex. And chickenshit? I'd gladly tell someone what I think of them face to face.
p.s. You can kiss my ass or fuck off. Interpret that however you'd like..... [Eek!]
Kabloomer
That's an unfortunate interpretation. Apparently, we have different understanding of what a lurker is? Especially someone participating on a different board and sniping among themselves via PM.
I disabled the PM feature here because it was always used for backstabbing every place I ever have been.
Second of all, you are registered and you have 297 posts. That's not a lurker, by my above definition. We have long time members, maybe ten years, that tell me they read every day and seldom contribute. Some may call themselves "lurkers" but that was not what I meant, and specifically I was referring to bear hunters friends on another forum communicating via PM.
Besides all that I know you, you attended the friggin' campout, your tent was next to mine, and you still want to feel offended over your definition of a word? It's really shit like this that actually does make me want to fold the fucking tent. Sometimes I think you people aren't worth the effort.
Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on January 13, 2015, 06:00 PM:
I'll have to go along with Fred, Its Leonards site he pays the bills. Mans got the right to talk about any thing wants. There's some good people here and there's some that are pretty high on themselves. I take the good with the bad and go on. Never did see any good come of fighting on the internet. If you can't look a man in the eye and tell him what you think. What good is it going to do you to type a bunch of crap about him.
The way I was raised if you got a problem with some one you meet head up and work it out.
But I'm just and old boy (58) that likes to be out in the woods calling critters. Never claimed to any thing but that right there.
Posted by KaBloomR (Member # 4252) on January 13, 2015, 07:36 PM:
Fred,
Your points made above have merit. As I've stated in past posts, I appreciate what this site offers, and have gained considerable knowledge (both positive and negative) from the contributions made from the members here.
LB,
I took offense to your "lurker" comments because in all honesty, I can't bring to the table anything that these guys haven't already accomplished a hundred times over when it comes to predator hunting. Maybe I do have an inferiority complex after all? And for what it's worth, I'll say it again - Thanks for providing a place where we can come to learn, bitch, share, and laugh..
43 going on 86
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 13, 2015, 07:47 PM:
Man you guys are old ?
41-43-45-46 ? I always thought you guys were young whipper-snappers ?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 14, 2015, 08:25 AM:
I'll give you one, Dave Allen. Every morning when I get up, I feel at least ten years older than my chronological age of 72.5.
Occasionally talking about women, some like the young ones and some think they have so much to learn, that the body don't count, that much. I have known beautiful women. What is really interesting is an older female still in prime shape.
If I can't ask a woman where she was when Kennedy was shot, she's not my equal, intellectually. For the 25 year olds, I might as well be talking about when Lincoln was shot, they don't have a clue. The whole world does not revolve around subject matter like that, but it's just for illustration.
You build on your years. I never thought I could ever imagine my age. In some respects, I still think I'm 21, which is a major flaw. My father died at exactly the age I am now, and he was much too young, of an infection contracted in a friggin' hospital while being administered a transfusion, so there is some truth to the saying that a hospital is where you go to die.
I had quite a series of procedures, not long ago and it was, I was in a large complex for one of those procedures. Talking to the nurses, and here they were, in surgery, within spitting distance of the actual "hospital" on the fourth floor, next door, and she said, she didn't like working in the hospital; those people are so sick.
So, stay out of the hospital as long as you can. Of course, you would never know this one year old building wasn't an actual hospital; Kaiser is a big operation. And, I have been in Fontana and Baldwin Park and Ontario as well as the Upland facility lately...and frozen nuts up in the north woods wants to know what's my body count this season!
Let's just say, not like it was, in years past and somewhere along the line, I don't give a shit about that anymore. I didn't kill my first coyote until I was around 25? It was like suddenly my eyes were open, that was all it took, one time and I, maybe like riding a bicycle, I just knew the answers! Some people never get it.
Ok, back to work! Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on January 14, 2015, 01:11 PM:
Anyone 70+ years old that is still even casually killing a few coyotes has my up most respect. My Dad is a little older than you LB and I have seen his health slipping the last few years where it is very difficult for him to come along anymore. Very difficult for me to see that. So if you're still killing Coyotes my hats off to you and I only pray that I have the health to still kill a few at that age. For anyone to say otherwise is a fool.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on January 14, 2015, 07:43 PM:
I remember you had some stuff going on Leonard, been wondering how those procedures went ? and was hoping all is good.
You're words on women is sound. Nothing like a mature lady in pretty good shape. I'm blessed the wife has held together pretty well IMO.
I figure my shelf life is about 15 more years, not sure why ? That would put me about 65. Sounds like your still killing coyotes when ya can.
That's a good thing.
Chad, I here ya. Moms only Leonard's age, but has had breast cancer, three back surgeries and on and on. It's starting to take a toll.
Another trip to Oregon weekend after next, to show her some stuff and hopefully get her moved closer to my brother and me of course for the time being.
It's odd as were becoming older, were slowly becoming parents to Mom.
Ok, enough sappy stuff !!
[ January 14, 2015, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 15, 2015, 08:38 AM:
Yeah right. With the Depends and the Parkinson's, I may be forced into an AR platform. No, I don't have that, and my kids hardly check on me weekly, much less daily. I could really stink up the house, if not found right away!
It's been said before and true; Getting old ain't for sissies!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on January 18, 2015, 06:53 AM:
"It's been said before and true; Getting old ain't for sissies!"
No truer words have been spoken.
It's a good thing I think I'm a kid still.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 18, 2015, 10:07 AM:
As for me, I have to think I'm doing passably well, at this stage. I think I have the situation under control, as far as my "condition". At least the most critical condition.
You know you must be getting old when you wonder if there is a good hospital near where you want to move. My cousin's ex husband retired steelworker and lived in a cabin up at Mormon Lake. Neighbor found him sprawled on the front porch. Eventually, they helicoptered him down to Phoenix, but he never regained consciousness. Stroke.
Sometimes you don't have to wonder why someone would step in front of an eighteen wheeler; although it's against all the principles I possess. On the other hand, I did witness the neglect and abuse my mother-in-law suffered in a "home", when she wasn't beat up by the combative patients. Yeah, that's a jim dandy way to live out the golden years!
Obama has a "No soup for you" solution. Ration health care for anybody over 70. Better spent on all those "undocumented" people. Is this a great country, or what?
WELL, it USED TO BE! HOW DID THAT ASSHOLE EVER GET ELECTED?
Good hunting. El Bee
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