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Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 16, 2014, 09:27 PM:
Most of you are aware of the new law in our state (I-594)that prohibits private handgun sales anymore among other things. Do any of you guys know about Idaho? Can a guy purchase a handgun without doing all the paperwork like we used to be able to in our state? How about Oregon?
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on December 17, 2014, 08:05 AM:
Oregon so far has resisted the gun grabbers. None f the proposed gun laws made it to the floor the last two sessions.
I sent an email to the state senate majority leader who happens to be a Democrat. He sent me a personal email, not a form letter thing, saying that he and his entire family were hunters and gun owners and as long as he was in that position no bills would make the floor for a vote. So far he's kept his promise. There are a few screwballs in the Democrat party here that want a full Communist agenda passed.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 17, 2014, 11:53 AM:
Sounds more like a lease, than ownership? I note that the State of New York has taken the next logical step and unabashedly will confiscate any firearms of recently deceased persons...."so they don't fall into the wrong hands".
Is this a great country, or what?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 17, 2014, 12:16 PM:
Aaron, nothing has changed in Idaho.
I was cruising Z-Idaho, that's a online classified site, the other day looking @ handguns. I noticed @ least a few guys will only sell to those who have concealed carry permits.
Interesting.
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on December 17, 2014, 12:38 PM:
"If" I actually recall the original Calif law banning the private transfer of handguns in the 1990's required individuals to use a gun shop to lawfully transfer, complete with waiting period/background check and pay a transfer fee before the change of ownership was declared legal, assuming the buyer was ok'd to actually own a handgun. WOW! I actually typed that without puking!!!
Aaron, is that an accurate description of Washington states new law? If it is, you need to remember the chickenshit democraps when voting in all future elections because the total ban of "your" ownership of firearms is in your future. As LB & others say, vote like your 2nd Amendment rights depend on it in every election, because they do!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 17, 2014, 03:25 PM:
Yes, Mike. That's my understanding of how transfers are supposed to work, in The People's Republik. All firearms, not just handguns.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 17, 2014, 05:23 PM:
I'm wondering if I (as a Washington resident) can travel to Idaho and buy a handgun privately without filling out paperwork, legally. Basically, if I wanted to buy a gun in the past I could meet the guy wherever, exchange money for the handgun, and head home and all was legal. Now I cannot, everything requires a transfer and on handguns, a separate form goes to the sheriffs office which shows up on your drivers license all handguns you own and what they are.
Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 17, 2014, 05:29 PM:
PP, here is the actual text. I don't follow the legal talk all that well but I think I have the gist of it. http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_483.pdf
Seattle votes for our whole state, even with a low voter turnout they can control our state. Also with bill gates, paul allen and that other idiot contributing big$$$$, we didn't have a chance.
[ December 17, 2014, 05:31 PM: Message edited by: Aaron Rhoades ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 17, 2014, 05:57 PM:
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shows up on your drivers license all handguns you own and what they are.
Is that the truth? Man, those Liberals just don't quit! Total control freaks!
I'm just wondering, if they say you got three and you only have two, what are they going to do? I suppose they would arrest you for transferring a firearm without going through the process?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on December 17, 2014, 06:13 PM:
What about those handguns you owned prior to the newly passed law? I presume the only firearms that show up on your DL, are those which are recent and logged thru the SO.
Looks to me like the loophole is, any private purchase with you and a buddy or other consenting seller who also chooses not to abide by a new requirement, is you now have a firearm that you've owned for many years, well before the new law?
Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 17, 2014, 06:35 PM:
I do not know the answer to that, far as I know, it is the requirement from Dec. 4th onward.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 17, 2014, 06:36 PM:
Well yeah. I think the State of Kalifornia has me down with about four firearms when in actuality, I have this XXX many. When I move to AZ, then what? Are they going to stop me at the river?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: the one's I had to suffer a waiting period on. However, I have custom stuff and gun show stuff that they have no record of. I mean, I USED to have some other stuff; it was all lost in the flood.
[ December 17, 2014, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on December 17, 2014, 11:00 PM:
Aaron, after skimming thru the first couple of pages of the link you posted I saw this,
All firearm sale or transfer, in whole or part IN THIS STATE INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION A SALE OR TRANSFER WHEN EITHER THE PURCHASER OR SELLER OR TRANSFEREE OR TRANSFEROR 'IS IN WASHINGTON', SHALL BE SUBJECT TO BACKGROUND CHECKS UNLESS SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.
It sounds to me like any out of state transaction/transfer of a firearm is lawful. But I'm not a lawyer and my opinion is only an opinion.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 18, 2014, 04:13 AM:
Federal law probibits any person other than a licensed Firearms dealer, from buying a handgun in a state other than their state of residence.
[ December 18, 2014, 04:15 AM: Message edited by: TOM64 ]
Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 18, 2014, 07:08 AM:
PP, I'm wondering from Idaho's side, if they allow it.
Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 18, 2014, 07:09 AM:
Tom, isn't that referring to new guns?
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 18, 2014, 08:31 AM:
Not from what I was told, something about interstate commerce and trafficking gets the Feds all wound up.
I would imagine that if you're caught with a pistol not on the list, the swat team would have a word with you.
But I have been wrong before.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2014, 09:06 AM:
So, theoretically, moving from Washington state to Idaho requires that you leave your arsenal behind? Just asking.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 18, 2014, 10:23 AM:
I would think moving and transferring (or selling) are totally different things. As long as your gun is legal in your new state, why couldn't you take it with you?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2014, 10:25 AM:
Yes, seems reasonable to you and me......
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on December 18, 2014, 10:28 AM:
Quote: "Federal law prohibits any person other than a licensed firearms dealer, from buying a handgun in a state other than their state of residence".
That 'Federal Law' includes any new or previously owned handgun(s) that are owned/possessed by a federally licensed firearm dealers business that are offered for sale or trade thru it's business. But it excludes a federally licensed firearm dealer's personal collection offered for private sale or trade.
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on December 18, 2014, 10:48 AM:
If I was at a gun show and offered my private collection of firearms for sale I wouldn't want to know that a potential buyer lived in another state that might not like any firearm that I was offering for sale. I am a simple person and can not remember how to spel my name because I am a pour reeder 2
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 18, 2014, 02:16 PM:
I don't know about Oklahoma, but it was refreshing to visit a gunshop in Texas a while back. I offered that I lived in The People's Republik, and the guy said: "I didn't hear that" or words to that effect? It didn't matter because my girlfriend lived in El Paso, at the time, and she was making the purchase.
I remember the good old days. I bought my first 25'06AI from P.O. Ackley in Utah. Mail order. When you look back, it's amazing the amount of freedom we have lost.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on December 18, 2014, 05:36 PM:
Not only that Leonard; but many of our own are making it harder on us. I can't tell you the number of firearms that I have had to pass on, for the simple reason the seller wants the buyer to show ID, driver license, CCW and bills of sale....pure paranoia to my mind.
The last few Ive sold, the buyer was digging in his wallet, letting me know they had all the necessary documentation, but I quicky wave them off. My pat response when they trip over their pecker to get ID is," I am not a law enforcement officer, I have neither the authority, nor the desire to see ID, license and CCWs....I just want to see cash"
My problem arises when I am the prospective buyer, usually I get it ironed out before making a long trip, but have been caught at the point of sale, wallmart parking lot etc. The guy will want to see ID, and I have to tell them my philosophy, it has cost me a good buy or two.
Im not sure how the average citizen gun guy, has come to believe they have to see ID, but it is getting epidemic in Az?
Posted by Aaron Rhoades (Member # 4234) on December 18, 2014, 09:06 PM:
Now someone tells me today that handguns have been registered in our state for some time so this may be nothing new, I dunno.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on December 20, 2014, 07:43 AM:
There is a provision in the federal gun control act that allows gun dealers to sell long guns to residents of neighboring states. That law is sometimes pushed to the limit. I had a gun dealer offer to sell me a rifle or shotgun in utah.
It is a violation of a federal law to go out of state and make a private party purchase without the 4473 and back ground check bs. I know it applies to pistols, but long guns??????
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on December 20, 2014, 09:50 AM:
AZ, the federal law you mention has been in effect for several years concerning "long arms"(both rifles & shotguns) purchased by out of state people. I know of a guy who would vacation in Alaska and purchase a 870 Rem. 12 ga. express, he would cut the barrel down to a useable length and either throw away the barrel and give the receiver to the host or sell it at the end of the vacation. As far as I know the only issue is some of the blue states might have a state law forbidding an out of stater from any firearm purchases.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 21, 2014, 11:56 AM:
Interesting.
Washington Officials Will Not ‘Trap’ Citizens Into Obeying New Gun Control Law
Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/washington-state-officials-will-not-trap-citizens-obeying-new-gun-control-law/#TfeKID2X1eFRsOFP.99
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