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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 09, 2014, 05:42 PM:
Started some heavy duty steroids last week, made the pain bearable this weekend. Finally able to get out and do something.
I'm glad.
- DAA
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on November 09, 2014, 05:57 PM:
Looks like fun, and a good payday.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on November 09, 2014, 06:01 PM:
Who would have thought you could get a shot with all those coyotes lined up and shoot through all of them. Then actually have them fall down in order. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on November 09, 2014, 06:05 PM:
Dave, serious question
Are you using a Leupold one piece base and rings on your setup or picatinny and weaver style rings.
Hard to tell from the pi.
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on November 09, 2014, 06:34 PM:
Performance enhancement 'roids!?!? LOL
Posted by 92soggy (Member # 4362) on November 09, 2014, 06:43 PM:
I see a lot of blood, must not have been using the .17?
I sure hope to have one of those weekends someday
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 09, 2014, 07:25 PM:
Dan, these new Nagel 30 gr. bullets are amazing? If you can get the coyotes to line up, they'll tip 'em over ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Scope mount is a Burris one piece base with Burris Signature rings. I prefer two piece bases, but for the Model Seven it's pretty much a one piece situation.
Soggy, I was using my .17P, but, I only shot 9 of them. My partner Tim shot the rest with his .243. He had to shoot one twice, pretty far from the truck, it was so shot to pieces we just left it laying there.
On the way home today, we pulled off the interstate to make sandwiches and decided to make a quick stand right off the rest area and Tim killed one more, a big old boss dog male. Didn't weigh him, but I'd estimate 37 pounds. Tattered ears and scars and the whole nine yards. A real old warrior. Here's his teeth.
You can see a couple porcupine quills stuck in his nose in that picture too. That made 15 for the weekend. Ten yesterday and five this morning. Tim's little brother has been bothering us for a coyote pelt to make a rug out of, we dropped off that old timer's hide with him on the way home.
- DAA
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on November 09, 2014, 07:35 PM:
Awsome Dave!
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on November 09, 2014, 07:57 PM:
So, what did you do AFTER lunch?
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 09, 2014, 08:03 PM:
Went home and did honey-do's .
Couple more pics. This is another old male, I killed this one.
And this was the biggest one, I killed it too, a ginormous male. Tim killed the female, same stand.
That female is not a small coyote. The male is just freaking huge. Did not weigh him (should have, had a scale with me...), but has to be in the top 20 biggest coyotes I've ever killed. If he's not close to 40 lbs, I'm a crack head.
- DAA
Posted by KaBloomR (Member # 4252) on November 09, 2014, 08:14 PM:
Nice haul, man! Hopefully things will continue to improve with your back ailments. Love to read your hunt stories and see your pics!
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on November 09, 2014, 09:54 PM:
Dang...thats a serious coyote right there!
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on November 10, 2014, 06:54 AM:
way to go Dave. That Josh guy will be looking for you soon, so he can follow you around for a day. All he wants are some pointers, he won't move in and start huntin' your ground, promise ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 10, 2014, 07:08 AM:
Well hell, did you think of leaving a few for us old duffers that were planning on driving up that way before Thanksgiving?
I'm just kidding. You did fine. Good pictures, thanks for posting.
Regarding the Picatinny trend. I am also a two piece mount sort of guy, traditional. Leaves more space for dinking around with the loading port. I never had much trouble with stability, but like to verify zero before serious work. However, I do have a couple rigs with the Picatinny setup. They are decidedly pricey. Whereas a stable Leupold bases and rings can set you back fifty bucks, the "tactical" gear can easily be past $250.
Sure looks cool though. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Juices flowing, haven't been up there this year yet.
Big dogs, old dogs. You really got lucky on two old dogs out of fifteen. I would expect about a third to be YOY and the rest more or less average, 23-28 pounds and an occasional 33 pounder. I have never seen a 40 pounder up that way? 39, yes; maybe a few 36-37 pounders here and there, but that is definitely an animal that you remark on, after dragging it back to the truck. Short answer, you don't expect more than a couple lunkers a season, usually. I'll tell you right now, that last one is really awesome! Reminds me of the heavy pales we would run in to, up in the Owens Valley.
I'd mount that dude.
Good hunting. El Bee
[ November 10, 2014, 07:11 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on November 10, 2014, 07:10 AM:
Looks like you had a great couple of days. Glad to hear that the meds are helping you out some.
Someday I'd like to hunt out there in Utah, maybe Nevada. I think I am going to focus a little on somewhere 500 miles closer for now. Maybe eastern New Mexico, never hunted in NM either. Hard enough getting a few days off work for such trips.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on November 10, 2014, 07:14 AM:
That trip was certainly worth the price of admission. Way to go and good luck with the steroids. Be careful with them.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on November 10, 2014, 07:20 AM:
LB, my brother and I got two really big rascals (well big for out there) not to far west of the campout in Wilcox. They were in the high 30's at least. Thinking they had a lot of carcasses to eat off of. Both were taken the same day, different stands.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 10, 2014, 08:10 AM:
Leonard, the two biggest out there I personally am aware of, actual weighed, not guessed, is a 44 pounder that I killed about ten years ago (with a .17 Mach IV and a 25 gr. Berger), and a 51 pound monster that Blaine's son Ian killed probably more like 15 years ago now (with a .17 Rem. and a 25 gr. Berger).
Like you said, get a few around 35 each year, but getting closer to 40 is pretty uncommon. And for me at least, over 40 is almost, but not quite mythical. My 44 pounder was almost cheating - his face was still soaked in wet blood from feeding on something big, his belly was just packed full of fresh meat. A big coyote, but, the weight, though actual, is a little misleading.
Have never seen or even heard a reliable account of another one in the same class as that 51 pounder though. I've seen pictures of it, actually have some video of the weigh in and the skinning of it. Just an unbelievable coyote for this area!
TR - LOL! So much truth in that, it's almost not funny! He does seem like a good enough kid though, I like him. Doesn't listen to even good advice, let alone any advice I could offer - so I don't bother trying anymore. But he tries hard and I kinda get a kick out of how stubborn he is. He really just won't listen though. If he learns, it's going to be the long, hard, slow way, LOL!
- DAA
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on November 10, 2014, 10:45 AM:
Great stuff, Dave!
Love that big, open country setting and glad to see the .17 back in action. Congrats on a great couple days, bet that will keep ya smilin' for a while...
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 10, 2014, 08:13 PM:
I have to say I'm very impressed! What state were you in?
Posted by KaBloomR (Member # 4252) on November 10, 2014, 08:42 PM:
"Euphoria"
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on November 10, 2014, 09:02 PM:
Nice job and pictures. I've always enjoyed your posts.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 11, 2014, 05:10 AM:
You do not have to answer that question,Dave.
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 11, 2014, 06:27 AM:
I don't care whether he answers or not, but mentioning a state is a long way from giving away one's secret spot. Y'all know I hunt Montana but good luck even coming close to where I hunt. Montana is 145,545.80 square miles. So your odds are about 145,545.80 to 1 that you'll end up in the same place I'm hunting. Good luck with that. The only reason I even asked is that it didn't look a lot like Utah and I was a little surprised.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 11, 2014, 06:35 AM:
Looks just like Utah, to me? The best parts of Utah, anyway.
But as a general rule, I won't divulge even as general a clue as the state, not even to my own Mother.
<shrug>
- DAA
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 11, 2014, 06:38 AM:
Dave I don't mind. It's not like I go wanting where I live. Just ran across this video this morning. Perhaps it will give others a perspective as to why I'm pretty content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_x-pZw-NCo
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 11, 2014, 09:26 AM:
Takitezy, tak it e zy.
All in good humor, and I'm sure Dave gets it. I do more blabbing than he does.
All I know is, I'm trying to organize an expedition, shortly.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 11, 2014, 10:36 AM:
Hopefully you all realize I'm not real serious about any of this and completely understand why Dave is withholding info. I do the same thing for most critters I hunt. I may not take it to the extreme about what "state", but that is about as specific as I get.
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on November 11, 2014, 10:53 AM:
Very nice!
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on November 11, 2014, 11:09 AM:
A little story for illustration purposes. When Tim Behle and I began to know one another, we were shooting the shit one day about "honey holes".Neither he nor I took much stock in "secret places", so we were both discussing the locations of some of our favorite spots. I was describing one out of the way location, where I almost always had multiples come in. Halfway thru my directions, Tim began to finish the story, describing to a "T", which two track got there and where to tuck the truck. He grinned after, and said he knew my exact spot, to the cluster of mesquite I sit in, for he found two .19 Calhoon casings where he placed his stool.
Never take yourself more serious than the subject; for every "secret" spot you have, there are a handful of guys that have the same feeling......about the SAME spot.
Most likely, any place we hunt, many were there before us, and many will walk those places after we are gone. Decent coyote hunters know the country and places that hold coyotes, the same gut feelings and understanding we have when we locate good calling country....that's what we do. There may be remote places we know of and hunt, but you can bet your bottom dollar someone else feels the same way about the same place.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 11, 2014, 11:42 AM:
Troy, no worries here, at all.
Vic, I hunt only public land. There are no secrets. Like you said, all the serious guys know all the same spots. Hell, we ran into three other outfits calling the same area on Saturday. But! There are a lot of guys around me, that aren't willing to do the work to find the good places. They do not know them yet. And I'm not going to give them any clues if I can help it.
If I had $20 for every email or PM I've got asking me exactly what TR mentioned, "not looking for your honey holes, just would really help if you could give me a general area". Or, my favorite "I've been taking my son out and I'd really like for him to get a coyote, do you think you could point us towards a place we could get a few?". Anyway... If I had twenty bucks for every one of those, I could buy a new rifle.
After all the gas money and worn out vehicles and years and miles and effort I've put into finding those places for myself, I got zero sympathy for those guys.
Not to mention, that's what this game is about, in this country. If they don't actually ENJOY just getting out there and seeing what they can see and finding this stuff out for themselves, they aren't really going to like coyote hunting in Utah very much.
Anyway... It's all good. No problem here. Just a little explanation of why I am the way I am on this issue.
- DAA
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 11, 2014, 12:08 PM:
The main reason I asked was if Dave is in Utah is because that is $650-700.00 worth county bounty laying there on the ground. Pretty decent money for not having to break out a skinning knife. If it's out of Utah he's got a lot of skinning work to do to make anything off of them...if he bothers to at all.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 11, 2014, 12:43 PM:
Vic, I believe I have sat in that same spot? Is there not a broken stool tossed in the bushes?
Anyway, the time I was there, and I couldn't find it again without help, we had a couple that just wouldn't expose themselves for a shot, unfortunately. Another 85%er?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Z (Member # 303) on November 11, 2014, 03:15 PM:
Ursus, don't mean to hijack Dave's thread, but I know one of the areas you hunt and can describe it to a "T". Saw 10 coyotes there a couple of weeks ago while elk hunting and shot one.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on November 11, 2014, 04:10 PM:
Hijacking is highly encouraged here Z .
It's where all the most interesting stuff gets talked about. When threads go off in their own direction and conversation flows naturally.
- DAA
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on November 11, 2014, 05:09 PM:
Wow, Dave really great trip and some heavy duty coyotes. Thanks for sharing the pics.
Glad to hear your feeling better. I hate to hear of anybody being laid up.
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on November 11, 2014, 05:25 PM:
quote:
If they don't actually ENJOY just getting out there and seeing what they can see and finding this stuff out for themselves, they aren't really going to like coyote hunting in
...anywhere very much.
+1
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 11, 2014, 06:58 PM:
Kool..Mighty impressive Dave and Tim !!
Hell, I was layin' around feeling like crap, last weekend and watched one of your guys' videos. I enjoy you dudes..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 11, 2014, 08:47 PM:
I took a guy from work out, once. He was an occasional bird hunter. We killed ten coyotes and I thought he might be impressed; but I didn't prompt him and he didn't offer. In fact, he didn't have anything to say, and I saw him virtually every day.
A lot of people talk about taking the new guy out, etc. To tell the truth, I'm not a big fan of taking a new guy out. Either they don't give a shit or they drill your area into the ground, then want/demand more spots, because your spots aren't producing anymore.
The other thing is, they are either lazy or they can't keep their mouths shut, even on stand, or you can't tell them anything; they already know because they read all about it, on Predator Masters!
And, some of them think they are on an all expense paid, guided hunt. Sometimes I feel like it's not worthwhile, especially if you have to watch them on gun safety, etc.
Oh well.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: on the other hand, it is very obvious when you have a candidate with "the fever". These guys really stand out. I imagine knockdown Fred exhibited that kind of "glow" upon introduction. Right, Kelly?
edit: then there was the big shot executive with ABC. We were cooking dinner in an abandoned horse stable and this guy was totally grossed out because we were standing in horse shit.
[ November 11, 2014, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 12, 2014, 06:16 AM:
Leonard you are turning into an old curmudgeon. There are still some good people out there that appreciate being introduced to a new type of hunting.
Z, ha, sure you don't.
Posted by Z (Member # 303) on November 12, 2014, 07:02 AM:
Ursus, how about Willow Creek Cemetery?
Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on November 12, 2014, 07:17 AM:
I know where that is, but I've never hunted it. I'm not even sure who owns the land around it. I'm not sure where you got your information, but your are off by quite a few miles as to where I actually hunt coyotes. Sounds to me like you are basing your knowledge on hearsay. My guess is from some teenage kid that "thinks" they know where I hunt.
Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on November 12, 2014, 08:33 AM:
That's a nice pile of coyotes, good work. Great pictures as always.
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