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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on October 27, 2014, 10:56 AM:
I read somewhere that wells are dry in east Porterville. Tulare county.
Whats up Lonehowl ?
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on October 27, 2014, 12:19 PM:
Yep, roughly 500 wells across town from me. It is the old part of town, and they are trucking in water for residents. They are drilling some new wells over there, but there's confusion on who pays.
As soon as those wells went dry, the county made an announcement that they were going to go door to door and take all of the children out of the homes and place them into "state care". They quickly backed off after learning that the children's owners, aka parents, would probably resist with violence. Ya think?
Typical Kalifornia bullshit. They always know better than you.
understand though that most of those people are low income, Hispanics, but theyre not all stupid. It's just assumed they are by the state.
It's pretty bad here in the Central Valley, real bad. Well drillers from all over the US are here drilling their asses off. Charging triple the going rate. So busy they will not answer the phone their getting bugged so much.
Kalifornia water is a very complex issue, but we are very close to being doomed.
Mark
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 27, 2014, 12:32 PM:
You don't want those delta smelt to suffer, do you?
The whole central valley is drying up because some biologist is sure these little minnows would become extinct otherwise.
It's the same snail darter bullshit all over again. Somebody has to completely reorder our priorities regarding the "Endangered Species Act". From shrimp to toads to mice to butterflies and spotted owls, they are putting way too much effort into "saving" these little critters that are far more adaptable than they admit.
I read recently something about rationing water to 50 gallons a day. Compare that with how much fresh water that is going out to sea under the Golden Gate Bridge. Required, to save the smelt, you know? They say, fuck the swimming pools, these minnows need protection! During the summer, I lose 600 gallons a day to evaporation. Priorities. And, let the grass die; they do without it in Phoenix, don't they? Not on the friggin' golf courses, they don't.
Good hunting. El Bee
[ October 27, 2014, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on October 27, 2014, 03:56 PM:
Driving home from work at Sun City Grand I went thru Sun City West and the Original Sun City,thought about you the whole time Lenbo. we have exactly enough room for one more resident.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on October 27, 2014, 04:59 PM:
None of that sounds good, Mark.
In particular the STATE trying to get involved.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 27, 2014, 05:03 PM:
I can dig the blue plate special at Denny's for early bird seniors @4:30 every day. haha All I know is, the price is right! My angle is to establish residency so I can save that friggin' $160 non-res license! And, carry.
My biggest expense would be for the twin Sahuaro's in the front yard.
But seriously, do you know a good place where I can buy an Ironwood tree in a crate? I have the perfect place for one.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on October 27, 2014, 11:34 PM:
I was in Northern Cal a month or so ago and it was VERY dry for sure. Just got back from a week and a half Coyote hunt in Northwestern Nevada, and it is about as dry as i can remember it being in the last 20+ years.
Good Hunting Chad
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 28, 2014, 05:48 AM:
I'm thinking coyotes are down everywhere? Everywhere I go, anyway? Places I expect good action are noticeably slow and no doubt, the critters need water.
You know, the situation is the same in Nevada. Lake Mead is out of allocations and them asshole keep blowing up casinos and building more luxurious and expensive ones. The problem is, growth.
So, just like the Ogalaga (sp) aquifer under the Rocky Mountains which they are draining the groundwater from, they are sinking wells in northern Nevada and piping the water to Las Vegas. Same thing, the water table goes down and wildlife suffers.
Drought is a fact of life out west, I'm kinda tired of hearing about it. If you are a Liberal, it's exciting to think about the mandatory rationing they can impose! CONTROL FREAKS !
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on October 28, 2014, 07:04 AM:
Calif. isn't the only state with water issues. I recently moved into a new house, BUT about 1 year before moving out of the old house, we had to drop our well pump because we ran out of water. Lucky we had room to drop the pump another 140', and now the pump is at the bottom of that well.
Problem around here is that so many houses are on wells. People move out of the city and all of a sudden are on their own wells, and they think that since they no longer have a water bill, they can just water like there's no tomorrow. Not even thinking that the aquifer is limited in supply.
I work for a water/wastewater Dist., and we are constantly drilling deep wells to keep up with water demand of the growing community. And we got 3 lush green golf courses that we serve as well. I've been told that the golf courses use less water than if that same area were to be built in housing. BUT, I look at it that the golf courses are using water that should be going to people, BUT apparently golf is important to some people, more so than drinking water apparently.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on October 28, 2014, 07:35 AM:
Yeah the Coyote numbers were definitley down.Still managed to call and kill quite a few but had to hunt harder than usual. Very few rivers/streams had any water in them.
Good Hunting Chad
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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on October 31, 2014, 06:37 AM:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/30/california-diverts-water-from-farmers-to-wildlife-refuges/?intcmp=latestnews
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on October 31, 2014, 08:21 AM:
Lone Howl....I wonder if the state is giving any tax breaks to the farmers who won't be able to make any revenue on their land. I seriously doubt it.
A story.....Up in North Central Washington where I lived for a while the Okanogan River overflowed its banks. The water covered a portion of a farmer's field where he made a living growing alfalfa. When the water finally receded he began replanting but the county put a halt to it. They said that the amount of time the portion of his farm was under water classified it as wetlands so he was forbidden from using it to provide him income. He took the issue to court. The county took his land and he wanted to be compensated. They said no, he still owned the land and had to pay taxes on it even though he couldn't use it in any way.
He tried selling the land but no one wanted it since there's no longer enough of it to be able to produce any real income.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 31, 2014, 09:25 AM:
Moe, I recall a similar situation up in the central valley, but closer to Bakersfield. Some asian guy bought a big pice of agricultural land for the logical purpose. He had it disced and some (Federal?) wildlife inspector managed to find a couple of dead rats. Same old story, when they say these rats are endangered, it's a block wall, you can't fight it and he was left with kind of a sanctuary for these poor little rats, at no compensation and at considerable legal expense.
This is when you start questioning freedom and liberty and the rights of property owners. I'm not a slaughter everything in sight person, but there could be some sanity in endangered species laws.
Umm? The protected status of lions in California comes to mind. There is no logical justification. I don't want to sound arbitrary, but in one case, the Initiative process was used to convince the public that orphaned lion cubs need total protection in The People's Republik. Against the advice of professional wildlife management people.
On the other hand, Biologists can have political agendas and make a case for protecting Polar Bears without a shrewd of evidence other than opinion.
My point is, sometimes I feel that these environmental laws and specific regulations are used to further political goals and consequently, become sacred cows; untouchable. Like banning DDT. Yeah, sure. The raptors deserve consideration and it would be rather easy to make accommodation in areas where nesting birds congregate.
But, it is also true that in the case of Africa, Ebola is a problem and so is AIDS, but a hundred times more people die from malaria about a million a year, and all we do is give them a bug net. We could spray DDT in specific areas and cut the death rate substantially, but NO, we are commanded by an advocacy book;
THE SILENT SPRING and have been for (what?) 60 years now?
People get stupider all the time. Vote straight Republican Tuesday!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on October 31, 2014, 10:15 AM:
And this nurse in Maine that is defying quarantine..she keeps crying that she wishes that "things were decided on scientific facts, not emotion". No shit...that should apply to a lot of things, including managing fish and game. I bet she is the anti hunting type, and would completley flip flop on that sentence...just cause it would suit here goal.
This chick is pissing me off...Im a pretty defy-ant type person, but she just rubs me the wrong way with her attitude.
Mark
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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on October 31, 2014, 11:35 AM:
I agree with that lady 100%.
If I was in her shoes I'd probably have been killed trying to escape by now.
- DAA
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on October 31, 2014, 12:11 PM:
lol
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 31, 2014, 12:19 PM:
And, in a sane and reasonable world, you would be, Dave. As Krauthammer said last night; civilizations have been protecting themselves for several thousand years. Think of that zero AIDS patient, had he been kept in Africa. Think of the (pandemic?) with a Spanish flu in 1918-19. There has to be an authority that protects the public at the expense of the individual. As Krauthammer further stated; she doesn't KNOW she doesn't have Ebama. Even the doctor in NYC lied and tripped all over the city, potentially spreading a virus that is 70% lethal.
I couldn't agree more, freedom is a priority and government oppression rubs me wrong. But shit, at some point, they probably need to shoot infected people that obsess on their freedom. As they say, one man's freedom to swing his arm ends at another man's nose.
While I am very careful not to overreact, I disagree with you. This woman needs a friggin' net thrown over her and hogtied, if she won't cooperate. The issue is bigger than she is.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on October 31, 2014, 12:25 PM:
Yeah, the lions in CA would go extinct if they were allowed to be hunted, too.
- DAA
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on October 31, 2014, 12:33 PM:
P.S...
I think the judge ruled sensibly. And what she is saying also sounds sensible.
The gov't Nazi control freaks with their hysteria are the ones that need to have a net thrown over them.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 31, 2014, 02:39 PM:
quote:
he gov't Nazi control freaks with their hysteria are the ones that need to have a net thrown over them.
Can't argue with that.
Obama is fucking up the Ebama protocol just like everything else. Mindboggling that stupid, low information citizens have elected that asshole TWICE !
If a judge has issued a ruling about this nurse, I haven't heard about it?
I'm really sorry to inconvenience this lady but should she infect anybody else, I'm confident she would be arrested and "perp walked" before the cameras for the Media's well justified pound of flesh.
...and as for you, it might be time to break out your survival shit and head for the rendezvous location, while you still can! Last guy set a record, seven weeks! How's your back, Jack?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on October 31, 2014, 03:09 PM:
No improvement on the back, but, thanks for asking. Seeing a surgeon next week. Far from clear that surgery is even an option, but, I'm pursuing it. If the surgeon passes the basic sniff test and thinks he can fix this, I'm going to let him try.
I suspect you have noticed, but, I'm about a grouchy SOB these days. It has been pointed out to me numerous times by family members and associates...
- DAA
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on October 31, 2014, 05:24 PM:
Dave, hang in there dude !!
I feel your pain. Gonna' go out this weekend and look for the insoles discussed in the boot thread.
If'n things don't improve this winter-spring, will have to (gulp) start the process of going to doctors.. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on October 31, 2014, 06:02 PM:
Yep, I hope you guys get the back pain worked out. I know it's miserable.
My wife had back surgery about 9 years ago or so and she recovered extremely well. Finding the right doctor was key for sure. Rehab is also extremely important. Most docs would have you working pretty hard at rehab a couple weeks after surgery, as in lifting weights and crap like that,but that ain't right. Super light workouts , in a swimming pool, is what worked for the wife. Also light exercise at home.
Also, healing time...
I had 3 friends have the same surgery and they all tried to go back to work to soon, and jacked themselves back up again. 2 have had more surgeries. They tell you 6 weeks and you can go back to work but that is not near enough time imo. My wife stayed out for close to a year. We suffered monetarily, but it turned out for the better.
Mark
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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on November 01, 2014, 07:36 AM:
Welp, got about 1"-1.5" of rain last night. Pretty good, but need much more.
Mark
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 01, 2014, 08:25 AM:
Weird my back feels great today !!
Back to the water issue, yeah it sucks talking about it all the time. They were talking layoffs last winter because it was so dry.
Then WHAM here came Feb-March and it snowed like hell in the high country and the reservoirs got filled @ the last minute.
Meanwhile our friends in nearby E-Oregon weren't so fortunate. Many had to file crop insurance claims this year. A lot of them get there water from Owyhee reservoir it didn't come even close to filling.
That fills from the Owyhee river, it's headwaters are in northern Nevada. If that region doesn't get weather this winter, a bunch of guys and the local economy are probably screwed.
Lets all hope and pray for a wet winter !!
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on November 01, 2014, 09:58 AM:
Funny, Dave. The desert was pretty dry in eastern Oregon, no doubt, but there was also a lot of standing water where I went hunting over there last month. A lot of that country relies on snowfall rather than rain, tho.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 01, 2014, 10:34 AM:
Yeah, Moe the snowpack is crucial for spring runoff to fill those reservoirs in those arid area's.
It's been about two month's since, I've checked. But, Owyhee-Bully Creek-Malhuer and Warm Springs reservoirs were basically dry.
The hardest impacted area's I'm aware of is the country hugging the Idaho border. Vale-Nyssa-Ontario-Adrian for example.
I'm not 100% sure, but, I think those guys around Burns and such, all irrigate off of wells ?
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 12, 2014, 08:22 PM:
Hey Mark, we were talking about this @ work the other day & wondering, what the situation was.
Any updates on the dry wells & such ?
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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 13, 2014, 02:34 PM:
Same Dave, lot of wells will be dry for sometime. Not sure what the solution will be for those households.
We need mucho rain and snow to get where we need to be. This weeks rain caused a lot of havoc but we needed it. Looks like were going to get a bit more next week.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 13, 2014, 03:15 PM:
Thanks Mark, was kinda wondering if drilling deeper was even an option ? if not that sounds like a huge problem.
Kinda funny about a week after starting this thread, a farmer from northern Nevada came up to get some parts. Oravada to be exact. I made mention of this to him and he'd heard about the situation down there.
He mentioned they'd had to drill some of their wells deeper and he has concerns about the Aquifer there.
Well hope you guys keep gettin' weather even if it is a pain for some.
We got that Arctic blast a month ago, close to a foot of snow and a few night's below zero. Lasted about 9-10 days and it's warmed up with rain every so often. It was 57 degrees yesterday @ 8am..Huh ??? That was basically the high.
Weird...
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