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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 20, 2014, 12:59 PM:
You really have to wonder where we are headed when police can enter a home where they SUSPECT underage drinking is occurring. Read on~
New Jersey town: “How can we protect you if we don’t take away your Constitutional rights?”
A proposed ordinance in Montville, New Jersey could give police officers broad powers – including entering private property – if underage drinking is even suspected.
Residents value their privacy in the upscale community of Montville in Morris County. But the proposed ordinance could change all of that.
Police officers under the ordinance could search homes with probable cause, and without a warrant, if they suspect underage drinking.
“I am not in favor of them just coming into the homes, because there – other people have said – there are children that do make mistakes on various occasions, and that’s more of a parent responsibility rather than a police responsibility,” said Anna Marie Cecire of Montville.
“Just coming in our houses searching – eventually, it’s going to turn into hunches and all that, and once you base it on a hunch, then it’s all downhill from there,” said high school senior Stephen McManus.
The mayor, committee members and the police chief do not appear to want to talk about the proposal, Sloan reported. None of them returned CBS 2’s calls.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on September 21, 2014, 07:18 AM:
Big Brother's nose is under the tent in New Jersey. Why don't they save valuable Policeman man hours and simply make it a part of the building codes to have full audio and video CCTV cameras installed in every room in every building in the city. I can all ready hear the city fathers saying: if you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. Think about how safe we would be if they did that everywhere and think of all the terrorist we could stop.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 21, 2014, 07:49 AM:
Who was it that said that if you give up freedom for security, you will have neither ???
Walt Disney ?
No.
Howard Cosell ?
No.
Bill Shakespeare ?
No............Don't tell me, I'll bet you a nickel that I'll think of it eventually.
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on September 21, 2014, 12:26 PM:
That will never hold up for constitutionality when it is challenged in court.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 21, 2014, 01:50 PM:
Yes, I agree with you, 49.
But, the nagging thought is with the "Liberal State of New Jersey", and specifically, this township that (somehow?) doesn't understand this vulgar display. Total Control Freaks.
I can't even figure out if it's Left, Right or something else that would cause them to enact something so Draconian?
As far as the question posed by ko ko. I can't come up with an answer, at the moment, but it smacks of something uttered during the Revolutionary period?
Good hunting.El Bee
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on September 21, 2014, 02:05 PM:
Some guy named Jeff. Interesting differences between fly over states and the supposedly more enlightened fringe, er,... coast states. I don't know that this applies, but in Kansas, an underage minor, regardless of age, can drink alcohol on his own property with the consent of and under the supervision of his or her parents. Off the family ranch, you're fair game, but at home? Nobody's business but your own. But, we're kinda backwards here. Kansas - a very red state - was the first state to outlaw marrying your first cousin, according to a documentary I saw on PBS this week. Coincidence? Only 23 others states followed suit. That means that there is a lot of borderline inbreeding happening in 26 states. I don't know which ones those are, but I do know it isn't mine. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 21, 2014, 03:41 PM:
Always some busybody wants to spoil the fun!
In this case, we find it's the State of Kansas. Why stop at cousins, you mean I can't marry my mother or my sister?
No, really, are you saying the quote is attributed to Jefferson?
Back to the original question. I am confident one day all cops, every jurisdiction will be allowed no knock entry, without the hassle of court orders, kinda the Brave New World in Hi Def. surveillance.
Bet me.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on September 21, 2014, 05:18 PM:
quote:
Some guy named Jeff. Interesting differences between fly over states and the supposedly more enlightened fringe, er,... coast states. I don't know that this applies, but in Kansas, an underage minor, regardless of age, can drink alcohol on his own property with the consent of and under the supervision of his or her parents. Off the family ranch, you're fair game, but at home? Nobody's business but your own. But, we're kinda backwards here. Kansas - a very red state - was the first state to outlaw marrying your first cousin, according to a documentary I saw on PBS this week. Coincidence? Only 23 others states followed suit. That means that there is a lot of borderline inbreeding happening in 26 states. I don't know which ones those are, but I do know it isn't mine. [Wink]
It is the same here.
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on September 21, 2014, 06:13 PM:
Just goes to show how backwards AZ is. I'm pretty sure if the cops are called to a disorderly house party, all bets are off. If adults are present, they are subject to "contributing to the delinquency" charges.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 21, 2014, 06:44 PM:
From recent posts commenting on news events, there are some pretty good absolutes that can be formulated;
(1) Don't give the police and / or the media reason to show up on your property.
(2) Try to avoid giving the police reason to point guns at you.
(3) Never give the police reason to pull the trigger if they do have guns pointed at you.
I'm sure that others could add a few more, but the above three should get most people thru from day to day.
CDude; I think that it was Jeff or his son that made that quote. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on September 22, 2014, 02:38 AM:
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.Benjamin Franklin
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 22, 2014, 05:26 AM:
Ok............We were close.
Ben Franklin is someone that our school system should devote an entire semester of study to.
Twisted old pervert that he was, he had a brilliant mind and accomplished things unheard of in his time.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on September 22, 2014, 06:34 AM:
Why did they just go after under age drinking. I don't agree with giving the police the power to do this without probable cause and a warrant. So why did they go after under age drinking when there a much more serious crimes like drug dealing, assault, murder and such. I guess I just don't get the liberal mindset.
As far as marring you first cousin, I saw a news show were they said there is no scientific reason to ban it. I believe it was John Stossel but don't hold me to it.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 22, 2014, 06:52 AM:
I think Jerry Lee Lewis started the trend. It hurt his career but damn, I always liked his music!
Speaking of trends, I'm glad that Revolutionary silk stocking craze died out.
Good hunting. El Bee
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