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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 25, 2016, 04:48 AM:
Weapon-mounted laser rangefinder:
SWR RADIUS rangefinder
It works by collimating (zeroing) your scope's x-hair to that of the laser. With that accomplished, your scope's x-hairs now become the aiming point for the rangefinder. With the unit on 'SCAN' mode, you get instant feedback on target distance...
Useta be, you'd spot target with binos, range with LRF, then acquire target in scope & engage. PITA, if you're shooting/hunting solo!
OR... spot & range target with LRF binos, then get on the rifle, acquire & engage. Still a mild PITA to go between LRF binos & rifle, especially from prone position...
With the SWR, you're on the rifle & can acquire target, get an accurate range & engage all at once! If you've got a mil/moa subtended reticle, you can holdover for correction and never even touch the turrets...
Crazy shit, got one on the way to try ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 25, 2016, 05:34 AM:
What's the price on one of these things, Fred? Looks expensive?
You know, I was just thinking, very recently. That in most of my coyote hunting, I never dial in the scope. There is never time! Sure, when sniping rockchucks, go ahead, but a coyote will seldom just stand around while you twist dials.
First of all, you have to start with something a lot better than a 308. I prefer to hold on fur, when possible and a flat shooting rifle takes some of the guesswork out of the holdover. I never had a lot of interest in gongs placed 1,000 yards off on the side of a hill. I'm sure there might be something gained by making hits reliably at those distances but I seldom shoot at animals beyond 400, maybe 500 yards out. Once they are down, it's not easy finding them. Many times, you need a guide with a radio. And, I do a lot of this at night, with not many clues, as far as distance to the target. You just have to have a knack for judging distance and wind.
Anyway, I'm not really a potential customer, unless I were to consider the competitive aspects.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 25, 2016, 06:30 AM:
They retail for just under a grand, Leonard.
Doubt I'll be using it for coyote calling, just keeping the HM membership up to speed on new gadgets! Shooting a .22-243AI basically negates range guesstimation issues for the vast majority of called coyotes.
Gonna clamp it onto my big Norma Mag and see how it works, this weekend. Thinking it'll be fun for targets, and would likely be a pisser on a hot p-dog field! Range, holdover & shoot til the barrel melts!
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 25, 2016, 06:31 AM:
Cool !!!!
One suggestion, though;
If intended for hunting .............. check the Regs VERY carefully. Some states have language that covers electronic devices attached to your weapon. One over-zealous Warden could ruin your day. If the Regs aren't clear, send a letter to the Game Dept. and get an answer in writing.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 25, 2016, 07:57 AM:
Be careful throwing around the "weapon" noun, koko. Typically, firearms are used in the pursuit of game. I like the non technical, (and less threatening) "gun", but to each his own. Or, go ahead, it don't matter much, does it?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 25, 2016, 09:11 AM:
Probably true. I used weapon because Regs usually include archery equipment & such with firearms when it comes to micro-managing the bells & whistles on your gizmos.
(I was once told by a Range Officer at a gun club that the laser on my sling-shot was illegal.) ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 26, 2016, 02:21 PM:
I do notice a lot of guys going around the net nowdays talking up their "weapon" and "weapon system" aka huntin' rifle.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 27, 2016, 04:15 AM:
Maybe it's just me, but I have always shied away from the "weapon" label. It's a tool, just like the time my son was assaulted up in the mountains by a guy who's weapon consisted of a grapefruit size rock in a tube sock. Now, that's a weapon!
A lot of our military types use "weapon" lingo, sounds menacing, I guess? Hey, I'm a military type, myself; it's no excuse. But, they can't help it, most of them are carrying a bad ass, black, semi-auto "assault weapon" so I get the connection.
One day, I will be proved right on this issue. We are only digging our own grave.
(end of rant)
Good hunting. El Bee
[ April 27, 2016, 04:17 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 27, 2016, 05:14 AM:
SWR is acronym for:
SilencerCo Weapons Research
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 27, 2016, 06:05 AM:
^ completely understandable, Fred.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 03, 2016, 04:35 AM:
Well, this fucker is badazz!
SWR encloses a target & reflective tape & dots to collimate the Radius to the scope. The measured distance from center of laser to scope center is 3", so I put a reflective dot 3" above target center. Thru the scope pic @ 50yds, you can see the Gen2XR reticle is centered on target, and visible laser is right on the dot....
With the Radius 'zeroed' to my x-hairs, I put the unit in constant 'scan' mode. Getting a range was near instantaneous when the x-hair settled on a fixed target. I confirmed ranges with my Leica 1600-b and they were identical, to the yard...
Buck Rogers, eat your heart out!
The weather turned shitty and we had turkeys to kill, so didn't shoot with the Radius a heckuvalot. Will be goofin' around with it more in the near future...
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on May 03, 2016, 08:52 AM:
If I was still a colony varmint shooter, I think I'd prolly have to have one of those ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 03, 2016, 05:18 PM:
Who you kidding? You'll get one!
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on May 03, 2016, 06:14 PM:
Im fairly sure Ive seen some sophisticated cradle that holds your rifle, operated via servo drives. One could be sitting at home in your skivvies, scratchin' your nuts eatin' popcorn, and shoot right from your living room chair with the aid of a go-pro mounted atop that laser range finder!
The possibilities are endless with the advent of all this technology.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 03, 2016, 07:50 PM:
Vic;
If I'm not mistaken, a few years back there was a you kill 'em game ranch in Texas doing pretty much that exact thing. Remote rifles, blinds & feeders. The `guide` would handle your trophy and ship the meat to you.
It's a brave new world out there.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 04, 2016, 07:10 AM:
Like I said; I do not twist turrets. If I can't figure out the drop stuff, I would probably miss. Hasn't happened, but it could, in theory.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on May 04, 2016, 07:59 PM:
quote:
Who you kidding? You'll get one!
Naw... I already spent all my money on suppressors .
- DAA
Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on May 11, 2016, 12:10 PM:
Leonard,
For the longest time I didn't twist turrets either. Hunted typical coyote calling ranges and was mostly point and shoot. Once in a great while hold on the top of the back. Time and situations change and now can see were there is a time and place to twist turrets. Another reason I prefer a FFP so when thing are happening quick I can hold over at longer distance and know were I am going to hit.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 11, 2016, 05:32 PM:
I agree with Brent. I never thought I would want to twist turrets either. Until I started shooting my .22-250AI with the Leupold VX3 4.5x14 CDS turrets. Though not the quality, and accuracy of the high end stuff, I really like this setup. Have a custom turret for my specific load (60 grain Bergers at 3800 fps). I have my gun sighted in for 200 yards, so my turret is set at 2. If I see a coyote at 300 yards I click to 3. 400 yards click to 4. All the way up to 8 for 800 yards. Very simple and very fast. And surprisingly accurate.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on May 11, 2016, 07:32 PM:
I went the CDS custom turret route on my 3.5-10 several years ago.
I know from reading around the internet, many people are cussing the Leupold system, if you do much twisting.
I know the true long-range shooters hate the custom turret, but like Chad said, it is fast for me and so far it has worked fine. But I really don't twist it that much. Mostly some playing around on steel out to about 550, some varmint shooting, and the occasional coyote that would require a hold on air.
This past winter it came in really handy several times on coyotes that refused to come further or simply ignored the call.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 11, 2016, 07:55 PM:
Lonny I agree I very rarely turn my turrets past 4, 400 yards is about my max on Coyotes.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 12, 2016, 04:49 AM:
Long as you got exposed turrets, anyone can make 'custom ballstic turret' in < 5 minutes for < $5...
All ya need it this:
And this:
1. Wrap your elevation turret with the masking tape
2. Shoot at each desired distance to prove your 'click' correction
3. Mark the tape with the corresponding yardage
If ya wanna get real crazy, you can make your custom turret more permanent by running clear packing tape over top to 'lock in' your custom settings... ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on May 12, 2016, 04:50 AM:
Or, you can just use the numbers that are already marked on the turret...
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on May 12, 2016, 07:44 AM:
I use the tape deal on my main squeeze 'chuck rifle. Been doing it that way for decades. Real easy to change the dope if the load changes or the scope gets moved to a different rifle.
I don't do much of that kind of shooting anymore. But, the main thing about scopes I learned in regards to that stuff, is scopes are SNAKES and NOT to be trusted! The reason Leopold's warranty department was so good back in the day, was because they got so much practice, from all the scopes I had to send in because the clicks didn't work worth a fuck.
It's why I bought a the NIghtforce scopes that I have on my fancy colony varmint rigs. Just got sick and tired of dicking with Leopold's.
That said.. I weeded through enough crappy ones, that I did eventually end up with a nice assortment of good ones that have proven themselves reliable in the click department. Just took more tries to get there than it should have. That .22-250AI which is my favorite 'chuck rifle has a Leupold on it, in fact. Going to try and see if I can find a few 'chucks to launch with it this weekend, too .
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 12, 2016, 08:07 AM:
Damn, Dave! I thought you said some time back that you were a confirmed Leupold man? What's this shit about Nightforce?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on May 12, 2016, 08:16 AM:
You must be thinking of someone else Leonard.
I do own more Leopold, JFC, spell check on this Mac just pisses me off. Changes the correct spelling of Leopold to the wrong one every time no matter how many times I retype it. I do know how it's spelled and how to pronounce it...
Anyway... I DO own more Leu-pold than all others combined. And over all, consider them an good compromise of weight, durability, optics and mechanicals. Most of my rifles do wear them. But, it's kind of a love hate thing and I'd never count myself a "Leu-pold guy".
But hell, I've had Nightforce scopes for 20 years? Taint nothing new.
B- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 12, 2016, 08:56 AM:
Hmm? I use a MacBook Pro, and I never noticed the spellchecker insubordinately changing Leupold? Yes, it claims it is mispelled, but I think you need to change something in your edit feature and change the "correct spelling and grammar automatic", uncheck the last box.
Anyway, Never had much to do with Nightforce, always considered them, heavy, long and overpriced, but good quality. for sure.
But, how's the customer service? That's where Leupold excells, or if it has degraded, I have no recent knowledge? I sent in a scope maybe 3-4 years ago, returned like always. Dropped it, and it was my sling that failed, the scope just took the fall.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on May 12, 2016, 10:11 AM:
Not a clue on NF service. Never had any reason to find out.
- DAA
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on May 12, 2016, 10:14 AM:
While on the subject... Had to send one Nikon back. When after four months of zero communication it finally arrived back, it was fine. But, that one experience, with my first Nikon, was enough to assure I'd never own another one.
Had good service with Burris, as good as Leopold. That was many years ago though.
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 12, 2016, 10:33 AM:
As you know, customer service is a big deal. Never owned a Nikon, but my uncle, the camera buff thinks they are way better than Canon. I disagree.
I own one Burris, it's a 6X24 that I thought would be great for chucks and squirrels. It has sat on a shelf, unmounted for probably ten years?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: same with Kahles service: never had reason to find out?
[ May 12, 2016, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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