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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 18, 2014, 07:29 PM:
Looking to replace the trigger on a 700 ADL. This is a calling rifle, a regular sporter weight gun, and doing sort of a budget build type of thing, nothing high end on the gun at all, but I want a decent trigger.
Ive heard good and bad about them all, Jewell, Timney and Rifle Basix. I know theres others out there but I guess those are the big three?
Id like opinions from anybody.
Mark
Edit: I am using factory trigger... adjusted, pretty good but just want a new one.
[ August 18, 2014, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on August 18, 2014, 10:41 PM:
Mark, does your rifle have the "J"lock on it? If so I recommend you get the conversion assy. installed before you change out your trigger. If there's no J lock then look hard at the Jewell R H HVR W/safety, pricey but safely adjustable from ounces to appx 3lbs. All of my Remington rifles have the stock (but adjustable) triggers that suits my needs, and I have Timney's on my Mausers that aren't fancy but work great when adjusted properly and would only change out if something broke.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on August 19, 2014, 04:20 AM:
Yep, if ya have a j-lock bolt, you'll wanna get a new shroud, from Gre-Tan rifles, and maybe upgrade the pin & spring while you're at it?
I'm a Rifle Basix guy, got em on every bolt gun. Like the wide trigger shoe of their LV series. Last one I got, came adjusted tooooooo light (unsafe) from the factory and needed tuned by 'smith.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 19, 2014, 06:41 AM:
Thanks fellows : ) Yes this one has a J lock, didnt consider that so will take your advice.
Mark
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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on August 19, 2014, 07:51 AM:
Jewell R H HVR W/safety
then again I am a trigger whore.
Posted by Duckdog (Member # 3842) on August 19, 2014, 07:54 AM:
I really like my RB too, and it's a good thing since they're the more affordable of the ones you mention!
It's funny though, Fred,...My last one showed up "unsafe" too. I don't remember who I ordered it from, but I called RB about it and the owner answered the phone.
When I told him the situation, he wanted that trigger back ASAP!
Personally tuned me a trigger to my specified weight, and overnighted it to me along with a prepaid label to send back the other one.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 19, 2014, 08:17 AM:
Ya gotta love customer service that doesn't involve `Press 1 for English`
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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 19, 2014, 10:21 AM:
On the next episode of "This Old Rifle"...
GreTan fluted firing pin assembly (I think)
Holland trigger guard (already had that)
HS Precision stock
Rifle Basix trigger
Talley 1 piece lightweight rings
Hodgepodge list of parts to slap on factory rifle. May or may not be worth it? Guess it cant hurt.
At some point will have accurized/rebarrelled...someday.
Mark
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 19, 2014, 10:23 AM:
I only have one Jlock Remington. The factory trigger seems adequate, to me? Of course I fine tuned it, and I had one accidental discharge that I can't explain? I like a light trigger, partial explanation, I suppose?
But, in general, I see no advantage in replacing Model 700 triggers with aftermarket versions. That is, if you know how to work on them. I'm not a gunsmith but I know enough to safely adjust a Remington trigger and a Winchester trigger when necessary, although I don't really like them, they are a bit more tricky, simple but complicated.
I only have one Jewel, it's decent, about 8 ounce or so, but for the money, I would work with a factory trigger before buying a Jewel, unless you want that light of a trigger pull. I like to run with about a 1 1/4 lb. trigger and it is possible, with a Remington. Any less and all bets are off.
Actually, a Ruger can be made satisfactory, too. Not as simple as a Remington, but dueable. In short, I'm not very much in favor of aftermarket triggers for bolt action rifles. That's if a man understands what he is doing. If not, then it's better to take it to a gunsmith or just buy a plug in trigger of your choice. And, I have heard negative comments on Rifle Basics and Jewel in a hunting application, interestingly, have never heard a bad comment on a Timney?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on August 19, 2014, 11:00 AM:
I will go along with Lb. I have had and do still have Timney, jewel, rifle basix and factory Remington. All feel good when adjusted to desireable weight. The factory remingtons when dirty will continue to function(although may be heavy) unlike the jewels.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 19, 2014, 11:03 AM:
I do agree,I have worked on Rem triggers, and this particular one is pretty good...nothing wrong with it, I guess I just wanted a project.
A Jewell is overkill I think for this rifle, and Im not after a real light pull anyways per se. Considered it but it's eliminated from the competition. Something like a RB makes more sense for this garage build.
Mark
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 19, 2014, 11:05 AM:
CrossJ, I have heard Jewells get a bit of dirt in them and may quit working. Some guys have no problems though I guess? Maybe just more maintainence?
Mark
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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on August 19, 2014, 11:54 AM:
Yes, they just quit! Ask Shaw. I have heard of some issues with the new Timneys also, but not experienced them. Remmy triggers when dirty can get heavy, but will continue to function. My two most used rifles have jewels, but I also have a factory Remington that was reworked by a smith for $50. It stays in an empty bullet box and has a place in my back back with my other 'needed' stuff. If I have a problem, it can be changed out in minutes.
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on August 19, 2014, 03:40 PM:
I just spoke to a friend who bought a M700 W/ the J lock appx 5+ yrs ago. I first tried adjusting the trigger like I have done for years prior, weight of pull, over travel, and sear engagement (depth of contact) but the sear engagement seamed to refuse to change regardless of adjustment so he ordered a new firing pin&spring and new shroud. I installed the new parts and adjusted the trigger, with the new parts his rifle acted like the old (non J lock) 700'S did. He claims that rifle now has the best trigger of all his M700 hunting rifles. Point being maybe you won't have to change out your existing trigger if your get rid of the J lock thingy, unless the trigger is one of the newer ones that everyone gripes about that lacks adjustment features. One other thing, can you legally disable/remove the J lock in the PRC ?
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 19, 2014, 04:57 PM:
Lol you never know here anymore.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on August 19, 2014, 05:32 PM:
Whatcha' got with this old rifle..Lol Mark ?
What caliber, bullet, powder. You know all the juicy stuff.. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 20, 2014, 08:25 AM:
Dave, nothing exciting or exotic...just a run of the mill 22-250. A "meat gun" so to speak. I have 4 or 5 Remingtons sitting around, this one I sort of have an attachment to just because it's been on a shit ton of hunts with me and taken a lot of coyotes.
Last few years, I have been doing the non-lead thing, and since this rifle has 1/14 twist I had to drop bullet weight to get it to shoot. Usually I shoot a 52 gr bullet, but settled on a 35 gr. non lead Nosler BT. Hate that I have to use a 35 grainer, but it does shoot pretty good (for non lead). I dont know exactly how fast it's pumping those bullets out there....but its way faster than my normal 3650 ish. Thats with 36 grains of Varget, a not so hot load.
Of course, they kill real good...but not with the authority and consistency as my old 52 grainers. I know people think Im nuts, but I can sure tell the difference...and I dont like it.
I just need to have it rebarreled, but Im to lazy to send it to anyone.
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on August 20, 2014, 09:24 AM:
Interesting information on triggers…guess I am not sure what a J-Lock Remington is, but I must have two of them as I have gotten those M-700’s in the last 7 years.
My first rifle I bought after my dad passed was a 700 in .270. That was in the late summer of 1977—my uncle had to sign for me as I was only 16. I have come to realize that gun has one of the best triggers I have seen in a production gun. I am not uber-worldly when it comes to guns, but out of the box, that trigger remains the best of all in my gun safe.
I have even refused to send that gun in so Remington could modify the gun so the bolt could be worked when the gun was on safe, just because I heard they would put a new one one in or had to change out the old trigger.
Posted by Duckdog (Member # 3842) on August 20, 2014, 09:52 AM:
Tim, the J-lock was a (probably lawyer induced) safety feature where you could actually lock the bolt open. It was pretty short lived and I've never even owned one.
A J-lock is easy to identify though. On the shroud of the bolt, there is a little "wart" as it's called that accepts a key. It almost looks like an allen screw to me.
When you engage it, it keeps the bolt from closing. If you do a quick image search you should be able to tell if you have one.
Just as an "aside" to all of the factory vs. aftermarket trigger talk...
As previously mentioned, I really like my RB triggers, but I also have rifles with factory Rem triggers that I wouldn't even think about switching.
But, a lot of the newer Remington triggers just won't adjust well. And, from what I've heard and experienced it's really hit and miss on what you'll get nowadays...
In other words, Rem factory triggers aren't all created equal anymore.
Especially now, with this giant recall going on. They've pulled all of their rifles off of the shelves to work on or replace the triggers.
And, if you own one that fall into the recall dates, would you rather send it to them, wait for who knows how long, and then still end up with a crappy trigger?...Or, just buy a RB, plug it in yourself and remove the doubt about a faulty trigger? I THINK the recall is for the X-Mark pro, but I'm not sure if it's all of them or just a "lot" of them,...
To be honest, I've never even checked to see if I have any that fall within this recall, but I think I might have one,...either way, I'm not worried about it.
The way I understand it, they noticed an "excess of adhesive" in their trigger mechanisms, and that's what prompted the recall. I ASSUME this adhesive is the glue they use to "hold" the adjustment screws.
And if I do have one, I probably cleaned off all of that glue to monkey with the trigger anyway.
I could be wrong about this whole recall thing though. If so, please correct me...
Whatever the reason may be, I can't even imagine what this cost Remington. I've been to a few stores in the last few weeks, and there still isn't a Rem 700 on the shelves.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 20, 2014, 10:03 AM:
In their ad, they describe it as a trigger with grooves, if you have a smooth trigger, it does not apply. That's all I got out of it?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on August 20, 2014, 02:51 PM:
Booger just keep that old trigger clean and freshly oiled.
My dad has a 25-06 like that, that did go boom when he took it off safety. Only wounded his truck but it could've been worse. The oil had combined with all the dust and on a particularly cold morning, stuck the sear and when he took it off safe, kaboom.
I cleaned it out real good and cut the safety arm that prevents the bolt from moving on safe. An easy 2 minute job.
Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on August 20, 2014, 05:44 PM:
I put a Shilen trigger in my 700 build and couldn't be happier. The rifle came with the X Mark trigger and it was a POS that couldn't be adjusted to my liking.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 20, 2014, 05:53 PM:
I looked at a Shilen. .looks like a nice unit.
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