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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 16, 2024, 08:13 AM:
Or anybody else .........
If I set two callers out side by side playing at 100 decibels each, is the total volume a combined 200 decibels or does it remain at 100 ??????
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 16, 2024, 08:50 AM:
Sure, and by the same math, if a machine gun has a cyclic rate of 650 per minute, times the decibels, 160 lemme see, cumulative, that's 104,000 decibels. Sounds about right.
(if that were the case)
But, no. I don't know what the theoretical maximum decibels are, or is.
Who know what is the loudest a sound can be or get to a maximum? If an explosion like a gunshot is less than 200, what is the sound value of a bomb?
For instance, what is the temperature of a glass of ice water. All I know is we used to calibrate our thermometers in ice water, meaning a glass full of water and ice cubes and the answer is 32 degrees. Hmm, not a perfet example, I'm sure but some things are not linear.
Take your time, think it over. It's not one of the mysteries of the universe, or anything almost as important.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2024, 01:05 PM:
Shame on you Koko I hate tests.
It remains 100 decibels if both callers are playing the exact same sound but also the same brand of caller with same speaker. and also if both callers are set the same for high end of that sound as recorded sound goes up and down depending on what it is.
Did you know that F-P no longer puts sound output in its spec.s sheet on x24?
I used two callers on a stand this winter Lucky duck and my WT. I started with WT to get the sound out there for all to hear and then when they came, I played both callers off and on, or both on to confuse the coyotes and keep them out of my scent. Both was set at full volume. Wasn't concerned about which was louder, just wanted to keep them there and out of scent till I could get a shot. It payed off and I got a nice male at 100 yards.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2024, 01:21 PM:
Years back I borrowed a sound meter from company I work for its used to check sound levels around equipment for MSHA/OSHA. It came with a handbook that had a list of varis sounds like gunshot or a bomb blast going off and so on as a guide to what to expect. Same sound meter is used to also test suppressors of different brands to see who's does what as far as sound and how loud but you just splitting hairs there. If anyone still uses Gold wave for downloading or recording sounds, they also have a graph that tells you the ups and downs of that sound spectrum. Also if you go to WT site they will show you a sample of two different callers playing same sound just to show which brand was the loudest.
F-P has a caller out there with two speakers both the same as far as volume goes but allows them to get sound out there in a wider sound cone but does nothing else. does not make the caller any louder.
[ February 16, 2024, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2024, 01:35 PM:
If you do a google on gun blast for loudness, they use a 308 or 30-06 I believe for the example. I went so far as to test 17 mach4, 221 F.B. 22-250 imp. and few others. Bigger the case louder the bang and inside dia. of barrel maybe part of this as well and perhaps through in the burn rate of powder used. I didn't take it that far.
I do know when I used my 17 Pred. on coyotes or switched over to the 22-250imp the 17 Pred. was quiet enough to allow me more shots on multiple coyotes or do a call back, not so much when I used the 22-250 imp.. Shooting in the drainages the imp. had a hell of a echo to it.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 16, 2024, 02:00 PM:
Okay, so just for the heck of it, let's say you have two speakers from one machine. The output is 130Db from each speaker. Seems like the only advantage is to point them in a spread, because apparently it's still 130Db. Right? In any event, there is no multiplying effect, right?
But then, you see, at a football stadium, they will have a whole bank of speakers. What are they getting out of it? It must increase the volume in some manor? You have seen them bundled and they are flared at an angle proportional to the shape of the speaker. The wattage must amplify sound and that's why they need amplifiers.
Fuck, I just don't know the end product? What's going on?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: that's an interesting question: Is a 30'06 louder than a 308? Then, is a 300WinMag louder than a 30'06? Polish logic says higher case volume equals more decibels. What is deciding factor? Is a 25'06 not as loud as a 30'06? Is the difference the bullet weight? Is a 270 half way between a 25'05 and a 30'06 in decibels?
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2024, 02:29 PM:
Both should be same with no increase. Multiple speakers like football field pointed in other directions just getting the sound out there in other directions far as I can tell. The sound is loudest or strongest at center of the sound cone so they just overlapping the sound broadcast so it's the same for everyone kind of like a blanket effect. But then again, I don't know if those speakers are all tied in together or some separate. Depending on their size they are only so loud and I'm sure OSHA has some ruling on how loud they can be so just add more so everyone can hear whatever it is they saying.
Now in my case when I'm calling and don't know exactly where the coyotes are bedded for the day or how far, I have to rotate my caller so I can reach out to them so they can hear enough of it to want to come in. Just sitting it on the ground and pointed in one direction only goes so far. I have some areas I know where the coyotes are so no need to rotate caller unless I get a howl back from another direction farther off then I will turn the caller to that coyote if wind in my favor. Also, louder the caller the closer the coyote thinks the other is or the prey is, so they just keep coming on a string. If it's just a faint sound they may not want to come in or just hearing parts of a sound and not enough of it to get them excited.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2024, 02:37 PM:
When I hunted with Roede only time he would pick up the caller and turn it was when we were out at night locating, needed to cover the whole area to get responses and then make note of direction, where and how many. Come back during day and just walk into them and set up as we knew where they were roughly. fewer empty stands this way but one don't always have the time to locate so next best thing is rotate caller and get sound out there.
Edit to add; In town we have a siren (toa speaker) on the water tower for bad weather alert. This speaker rotates as well 360. if pointed directly at the house its loud as hell but as it turns the sound goes down to where I can just barley hear it. Just another example.
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 16, 2024, 03:58 PM:
Since I bought my Suppressor all the guns I shoot are quiet:
17 Ackley hornet
17 Tactical
204 Ruger
22-250 Ackley improved
I think I will thread my 6mm Remington next. The one that is the quietest is the 17 Ackley hornet sounds like a pellet gun. All the others sound a little less than a 22long rifle.😁
Good Hunting Chad
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2024, 04:47 PM:
shooting the flat lands I don't worry about it, sound disperses rather quickly. Maybe someday get one just to say hey I got one and when prices drop along with wait time. Kind of got my eye on a truck thermal though.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 16, 2024, 05:27 PM:
Really has nothing to do with that. Although I have seen a steep increase in multiples going down on a stand since going suppressed. It just makes it nicer to shoot. No ringing ears and I’m all about saving the remaining hearing I have left. Drops felt recoil too. Win win win….
Good Hunting Chad
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2024, 06:13 PM:
If it works for you great. On same note I taken multiples by just using 17 rem. or 17 Pred. not much there for recoil. Saving hearing is debatable.
My hearing loss is due to running heavy equipment even with hearing protection due to exposing oneself for longer hours than supposed to. Sitting at a shooting bench or sitting next to someone else shooting gun can be a issue though. If just me behind the trigger and taking few shots here and there not much of a issue. Come winter though when out of the heavy equipment some of my hearing comes back from being away from the machines and can even hear coyotes howl when on stand. But yeah its something to think about I guess.
Edit to add: Due to my job I have to take a OSHA/MSHA safety course every year and hearing safety is part of that class. Most damage one causes to their hearing is from long term effects. Being on a tractor every day or some machine that has a high dsb rating or shooting a gun in a enclosed or semi enclosed area like bed of a pickup or under a roof can be big issue though so I wear ear muffs.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 17, 2024, 08:59 AM:
Suppressors.
I have a problem. First, when I was in Africa, the impression I got, was that they were used mainly for control work, thinning the herd, culling. And, they were as available as flashlights or any other common tools.
Therefore, the whole idea, concept that we need to make application to the ATF and they fuck around for 8-10 months and charge me two hundred bucks for the privilege just rugs me the wrong way.
Then, the manufacturers want (I think) about $1,000 to $1,200 for something not very complicated to screw on to a $600 pistol or a thousand dollar rifle. and the proportion seems way out of wack, value wise. A pistol seems a lot more sophisticated, than a tube with baffles in it? They use Inconel and Titanium; big fucking deal!
Then, there is the same attitude as buying a Tesla. Envy. It's a status thing. I feel insignificant because I haven't the money, or am too cheap to buy that muffler, while I am wearing ear plugs or head phones.
I think it's a bit of a con game like being the first on the block to own some fad thing like a hula hoop or any other Rubic's cube that is the latest fad.
So, you spend the $200 tax stamp, plus $1,000 for the suppresser plus whatever is the charge to have your barrel threaded? What is that, maybe $50? That's a lot of money just to be associated with the cool kids.
I realize you can transfer them to several different rifles and it's not necessary to buy 15, if you happen to own 15 rifles and I think I own at least that many.
Anyway, that's just a few random thoughts that bother me about the whole deal and I could be totally off base?
Comments?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: Besides: my hearing has been shot since my early 20's. I sure as hell could have and should have made a claim to the US Army but didn't.
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Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 17, 2024, 11:32 AM:
I have no argument with anything you said. Are they overpriced yes I think so. Is the tax stamp total BS. Absolutely. But after having one now for several years I would not go back for anything. It is just amazing the difference. I have been on stand with guys that still don’t shoot suppressed and there gun regardless the caliber sounds like a cannon compared to any of my suppressed rifles. And like you said I only had to do it once. I will probably never buy another one but I’m glad I have this one.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 17, 2024, 12:18 PM:
UT what bullet you using in Ackley and what brand suppressor?
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 17, 2024, 12:39 PM:
I’m shooting 60 grain Bergers from a 22” barrel at right around 3700 fps. With a 7” Thunderbeast suppressor.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 17, 2024, 06:11 PM:
And what's your load? H414?
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 17, 2024, 06:22 PM:
38.5 grains of RL15. Before I cut and threaded the barrel it was 26” and was running 3850 fps. But cutting it to 22” dropped the velocity to 3700 fps….
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 17, 2024, 08:38 PM:
I'm using H-380 for right now and may switch back over to the N-140 or N-540 shooting 52 gr. A-Max, think I'm getting about 3900 fps.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on February 17, 2024, 08:48 PM:
Im long out of the big boomers, but when I was running my 22-250 Ackley, H 414 was the ticket, but hey, everyone has their favorite?
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 17, 2024, 08:56 PM:
I’ve got a bunch of 52, and 55 grain Berger match bullets to try after I run out of the 60’s I have on hand. Figure I can get around 3800 fps with the 55’s and close to 3900 fps with the 52’s.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 17, 2024, 09:00 PM:
I know what you’re saying though Vic, I really like shooting my 17 Ackley Hornet, and 17 Tactical..My .204 Ruger gets a lot of my attention with 35 grain Bergers running around 3800 fps with a nice 20” barrel in a CZ527…
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Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on February 17, 2024, 09:54 PM:
Always thought I had messed with them all, but the 204 never made it into my hands. That 35 grain Berger at 3800 must be a hell of a wacker?
Closest I had was the .19 Badger, 32 grain Calhoon bullet nudging 3,500 and change, man I loved that little rifle/cartridge. Yet another one that flew the coop!
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 17, 2024, 10:21 PM:
I seriously considered a .19-223 years ago but for some reason it never happened.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 18, 2024, 04:46 AM:
Years ago when I settled on just 3-4 rifles for fox and coyotes I tried to stick with one powder or two if I could. Just so happens the 22-250 imp. not real fussy about what powder you use and with a 52 gr. bullet it tends to favor little faster burning powder. N-540 is a higher energy powder and can give you a little more vel. and still have safe load. Same powder works in my 17 rem.,17 Predator and 20x47 Lapua and 22-250.
New barrel on the ackley with new brass so I just used what was available or what I had extra of and that was H-380 for fire-form loads. Tried it in a fire-formed case as well and it works dam good so I'm going to burn up what I have before I switch.
I ran out of RL for the 22-250 so I just used h-380 also. Was shooting some berger 40 gr. in 22-250 but running out so I tested the 52 gr. A-max in the Bagira and found out the H-380 gave tighter groups than the RL did.
Ram-shot big game is another good powder but you can't find it anymore on the shelves which was a favorite high vel. powder for the 20x47, 40-45 gr. bullet going along at 4200 fps. Also for awhile Vitavory was only powders i could get so I have plenty of that now.
Berger bullets have dried up as well.
I bought a 204 this winter hoping to shoot the bergers in it. But had to settle on 40 gr. sierras. My gunsmith has some of the 39 gr. bullets I want to try next. 204 is a tack driver but the action sucks.
For me shooting coyotes at night with a thermal I like fast and flat for distance I'm shooting, less room for error as distance can be off a little when shooting in dark.
If I remember correctly, I did try H-414 years ago in 22-250 and it worked best with 55 and 60 gr. bullets and most likely why I don't use it because I don't shoot those heavy bullets.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 18, 2024, 08:48 AM:
I believe this, with all my little pea pickin' heart!
Everybody has a dream rifle, and this dream persists through concept and birth and so the newness wears off and since everybody is a bit delusional about dream rifles, the balloon bursts, your attention span reaches it's limit and you focus on the next concept. Right now, a certain type gets their rocks off with heavy bullets and hitting steel at amazing distances. It's a hobbyhorse, and a waste of time, you might just as well be dicking around with your playstation....where barrel life is limitless.
Anyway, as fads come and go, the 22-250 Ackley is the real deal, but that attention span stuff kicks in and there must be new worlds to conquer. I just had to give credit where credit is due. Never mind.
I don't drink and drive but I saw a tight little Model 700 at a chain gun store and had to have it. It's light compact and handy and before I even had a round fired, sent it off to be Ackley Improved because it was chambered in the plain vanilla 223Remington. Rechambering and installing a Sako extractor set me back another $500. And the barrel will still last forever and the fact that I only gained around 50 fps over factory numbers since I stubbornly stick with 55 grain coyote bullets. And it works fine but isn't perfect. But what is? Otherwise the Dream would wither and die. Yet, the vision of the "Dream Rifle" is persistent and bleeds money. There are always distant worlds to conquer!
Now, where were we? Anyway, my current confidence builder is my 22-243. Very adequate, at this stage of my career. More than adequate, realistically.
Good hunting. El Bee
[ February 18, 2024, 08:50 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 18, 2024, 10:12 AM:
One of my Kyudo instructors has stated that pure perfection is impossible to achieve, rather it is the pursuit of perfection that feeds the soul.
Heavy stuff.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on February 18, 2024, 10:30 AM:
Never was the dreamer when it came to rifles, just had interest in what different caliber/cartridge combinations had to offer. That interest led me to mow thru dozens of different rifles/calibers; that interest diminished a dozen years ago when I reached a point I just wasn't getting after hunting like I had in the past.
Im 70 now, I get out after predators far less often than I did in the past. If I kill 25 in a winter now, thats doing pretty good for me. Love to hunt, enjoy just getting out with the dog, call a coyote or two and just savor the day.
I liked the 22-250 Ackley, but in the end, it was just to much gun for what I do. Used lots of different .223s' and think over all, for the day in day out average predator hunter it is probably the nut.
Had some favorites, .19 Calhoon, .19 Badger, .17 Ackley hornet was a great one, .17 remington, and the rifle Ive finally settled on for the rest of my limited time here a little short barreled CZ 527 in .17 mach4. It does everything I need and covers nicely every predator I might want to put a hole in, from little gray fox to a big coyote.
This topic makes me dig in the memory banks and recall many of the rifle combinations Ive tinkered with, was a fun ride, wish I could do it all over again.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 18, 2024, 12:30 PM:
My brother is getting ready to rebarrel a little .223 Remington model 7 he has to 17 fireball. It definitely had me wondering about doing one too but I just don’t have the number of 25 grain bullets I think I would need to make it worth while. I’ve always wanted one but probably won’t ever happen.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 18, 2024, 12:35 PM:
I think the 17 mach4/ 17 fireball fits perfectly between the 17 Ackley Hornet and 17 Remington.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 18, 2024, 02:01 PM:
I started with Rem. 788 in 22-250 and just had fox here at the time and was new to centerfire rifles. I like the 22-250 but just thought there had to be something better that wouldn't tear up the fox so bad. Talked it over with local gun dealer and he said a 17 Rem. would be a better choice, fast, flat and didn't tear up the fox as bad. I took all my fox hides in to be sold and bought one of the first 17 rem. 700 and had enough coin left for bullets, dies, and powder. Think I owned 4-5 17 Rem. at one time, loved what they did on the fox.
Went to gun shows some years later and there was a gunsmith there that specialized in 17 cal. rifles and I bought a Mini Interarms chambered in 17 Mach4.
Then the coyotes moved into the area and had some age and size to them and shot many with 17 rem.
Off to another gun show and a XP-100 caught my eye and then year later another XP-100 both in 221 f.b.
Later on took one XP-100 and had it made into a rifle chambered in 17 rem. shooting 30 gr. Golds.
At the time no one made a rifle chambered in 221 F.B. so I had one built which looked like a Rem. 700 Sendero also with fluted barrel. the 221 cartridge was accurate and not fussy with bullets.
Started going out to the Dakotas after coyotes and just needed something with little more punch to it and that's when the 22-250 ackly was born. But I didn't always need it for called coyotes but come in handy when I had a few spots where coyotes would just sit off at 3-400 yards and just howl at you. The ackly took care of those.
I still liked the 17 cal. and then one day someone came out with 17 Predator so I did little research on it and then had one built. aaaaw I liked how it performed and how hard it would hit a coyote with a 30 gr. bullet that would just fold them right up.
I tried few other odd ball cartridges over the years like the 223. 223 at times was just too much on Redfox and worked so so on coyotes but couldn't do what the 17 cal. was doing on both so it got dropped. Did load work on a 243 ackley for a buddy but hated the recoil compared to a 17-center fire and at times it was just too much on coyotes, so I never moved up.
Been looking at some of that new stuff that's out there but like Leonard mentioned its all about shooting those god-awful heavy bullets and at the moment you can't find any lighter bullets for the new cartridges. Bullets too heavy, drop like a rock and IMO you don't need a 80-100 gr. bullet for 200 yard coyote. Think I'd rather go to a 25-06 if I went that route.
Maybe take one of those new cartridges and neck it down to something more up to the job.
I didn't mention my 20x47 much but if I wanted to reach out to 800 yards on a coyote its up to the job. Its just there not much of a selection for bullets and what I have tried just blows the crap out of a coyote. Sometimes speed is just too much of a good thing atleast in this applacation.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 18, 2024, 02:13 PM:
Well, see, that just means that we all have a different mission.
My defense of the 22-250Ackley comes after 15 years of night shooting predators with a 220 Swift, which was fine but comes with certain chores that the 22-250 Ackley solves, pretty much. And bear in mind, fur recovery was always secondary. the kill and recovery always far more important. Also very important that it is so flat shooting at night hunting distances, (around 400yards, max) that range estimation is a lot easier.
Also, my 22-243Middlested is a very adequate performer although I can't get much past 3850 in a 24" barrel whereas my bench gun (night gun) 22-250Ackley easily gets 100 fps better because of it's 28" barrel.
Everybody has a slightly different mission, and happily, there are endless combinations. I had a partner that his latest "solution" was a very nice 280Ackley, but holding the light for him was flinch inducing. I can also say that the various Ackleys are superb performers, in almost any caliber below 30.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 18, 2024, 02:28 PM:
Same mission just minus the big holes.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 18, 2024, 06:34 PM:
My decision to rebarrel to .22-250 Ackley Improved was really based on Leonard’s recommendation. I was thinking of rebarreling to .22-250 as was the original barrel or 220 Swift. But with Leonard’s advice I chose the 22-250AI. Best decision I ever made. That has been a wonderful cartridge. I’ve killed hundreds of Coyotes with it and it just flat whacks the Coyotes.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 18, 2024, 10:12 PM:
Wow, I'm flattered, my friend!
Performance wise,
the 22-250Ackley simply can not be beat!
And, if you can't get a dozen reloads from a case,
you are being foolish, and unnecessarily flattening primers!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 19, 2024, 12:17 PM:
Facts is Facts. You are spot on Leonard I’m on my 7th reload on the first 100 Lapua brass I fireformed. Should get another 7-10 more out of them. And when it’s time I will rebarrel to .22-250AI 1/12 twist again.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 19, 2024, 02:08 PM:
Yes, good plan! One thing not stressed enough, is that you seldom or never have to trim to length with that cartridge. I don't mean to knock the 220 Swift, I loved it, and still have a factory Ruger chambered in Swift. But trimming to length is part of the procedure and an occasional split neck. This is because of the body taper and the shoulder angle. It's just part of doing business when reloading the Swift.
This issue just does not happen with the 22-250Ackley. I think I can say, or at least I don't ever remember a split neck or trimming a case neck to length? You will not be tossing cases because of a deformity or you 100 or 200 cases will only deplete because you might lose one or two in the heat of battle, but not due to any defect in cartridge brass.
There have been two high performance cartridges that were a bit hard on brass life, at least in rifles that I reload for and that's 220Swift and 270Winchester. It's just a fact of life.
I do not stress my cartridges, I use performance cartridges and never load to max pressures. Some people push performance. I know guys that are tossing brass after 3 or 4 loadings because they are loading to very high pressure and piercing primers and split necks, etc. If somebody is trying to squeeze the highest velocity from a cartridge, they would be better off just rebarreling to a high performance cartridge, and loading at less than max I just don't believe in shooting any rifle at very high pressures. It's hard on everything, components and barrel life and accuracy.
I can shoot a reasonably sane load in a 22-250Ackley that will far out perform a factory 22-250Remington, when they use compressed loads and all component life is shortened. It's a no brainer!
I hunted briefly, (one season) with a man that would smoke a carton of Kools on a three day weekend. He shot a 270, and it was such a hot load that he would keep a ball pein hammer up in the hatch to pound his bolt open! As I recall, he had a new model 70 Winchester, not a "pre 64" and they were, at least, built like a Mack Truck and apparently could take the punishment? I never was too impressed with that gun, but they really seemed strong, at least in appearance. They used a long action even for short cartridges by using a spacer in the magazine, but I only knew a couple guys that had one, one was a 25'06 and the other was that 270W.
Okay, I'm starting to ramble, excuse please!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 19, 2024, 02:43 PM:
All great comments and advice for sure. I really love my whole .22-250 Ackley setup.After trying a few different scope brands over the years for it I settled on and absolutely love my current scope it’s a little compact Nightforce SHV 3x10-42mm. Holds zero very well, tracks perfectly and seems to be damn near indestructible. I’ve Loved it so much I bought a couple more for my 204 Ruger and 17 Tactical……
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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 19, 2024, 04:24 PM:
I don't load hot but choose the powder that gives me highest vel. for the bullet used and still under safe pressures. Thats kind of where the Vitovory comes in, you have N-140 and then you have N-540 for higher performance but still safe load. Just little more vel./ energy.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 19, 2024, 05:20 PM:
I've never used the vituviori powders. Never had a reason. i think it's made in Finland or maybe Sweden?
AND, IT USED TO BE ONLY AVAILABLE IN 2 POUND BOTTLES. oops!
anyway, why?
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 19, 2024, 05:58 PM:
The only vituviori powder I’ve used is N-120 in my 17 Ackley Hornet it is pretty amazing stuff, don’t think you can get it anymore though. 12 grains of powder gives me 3800 fps with the 20 grain VMax. With no signs of pressure at all.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 19, 2024, 06:19 PM:
Its a good powder Leonard. bonus is when all other companies dried up Vitovory was still on the shelf at selected stores.
I used N-140 and N-540 in my 17 rem, 17 Pred.,22-250, 22-250 ackley and 20x47 and got top vel. and accuracy in all of them so what's not to like about it. I think it comes in one pound, 5 pounds and keg if you need that much. Suppose to also burn cleaner but I never bothered to find out just use it and be done with it. The stuff meters pretty good also.
Reloader has a few good powders, ram shot, Hodgen and so on so same as handguns just pick what you like.
Vitovory has an assortment of high energy powder which can give you extra boost but in some cartridges you may lose little on accuracy, I got lucky and good all the way around.
Thing is I sort of picked out what bullet I wanted to use and just tailored the load around it and got results I was looking for.
always wanted to try same brand of powder in my 221 f.b. and 17 Mach 4 but H-335 tuff to beat so no need to switch.
Edit to add you have to watch what burn rate you use when shooting at night with a thermal or you get a muzzle flash that ruins the vid. LOL H-380, H-414 are good for that, maybe mag. primer would fix it as well but have not bothered to check.
Edit to add: I really like that Brux barrel I got on the ackley and the Bargara pretty nice as well.
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