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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 29, 2020, 08:05 PM:

Just to keep this place a coyote hunting site, I recently got three shots at a coyote at about 125 yards. Called them in with a Crit-r-Call, rabbit & howls.
All three shots missed but at least I found all of my arrows in a nice group.

[Smile]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 30, 2020, 08:30 AM:

Must have been somebody's pet? But, you are sounding like a true Benchrester, more satisfied in your group rather than actually hitting anything. Now tell us it was a field point, anyway.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 30, 2020, 10:16 AM:

Nope .............. Zwickey 2 blade broadheads.

[Cool]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 30, 2020, 10:43 AM:

Isn't that the one called, "Sailors"?

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 30, 2020, 10:46 AM:

I want you to get me all knowed up on that stuff. I have a moderate amount of hidden talent since I won a "gold medal" at Club Med in archery. It's impressive, I think.

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 30, 2020, 01:08 PM:

No, the Zwickeys that I use are the Eskimo model. (and no, I have no idea why they call them Eskimos )

If you want to check out Traditional Archery, there are a couple of good magazines. Traditional Bowhunter, should be on the magazine rack now at your local Wally World. TradArcher's World is another good read.
As far as books, Traditional Archery by Sam Fadala has a lot of good info and one of the best hunting books I've ever read, Now, Ramblings From The Old Derelict Bowhunter by Dr. Ed Ashby.
Go to eBay & type in Archery Book.

Also if you're serious, there should be an Archery Club somewhere near you.
And, ...... Plan on coming up to the Conejo Valley Archers Traditional Challenge in early May, Tapo Cyn. Park, Simi Valley.

Edit 4 speling

[ January 30, 2020, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: Kokopelli ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 31, 2020, 07:56 AM:

On thing that I should have mentioned & cannot stress enough;
If you do decide to get into shooting pointed sticks, GET INSTRUCTION BY SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING !!!
People that teach themselves tend to teach themselves bad habits that are hard to unlearn.

Ok ............. Off to Historic Globe Arizona Apache Bowhunters Hunter Challenge.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 31, 2020, 11:03 AM:

Well, good luck!

Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on February 10, 2020, 02:16 PM:

The last couple years have been disappointing in Nevada for Coyote numbers. At least in the areas we normally hunt. Haven’t really hunted it very hard because of it.

But have had some great luck re-focusing on some areas here in Utah. No huge numbers days but just nice and consistent...

Hopefully Nevada bounces back soon....

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2020, 02:36 PM:

Well, it's always been moderately dependent on the jackrabbit cycle. Nevada, probably more so than other places. At least I always felt that the abundance of prey has a bearing. I have felt the bobcat population was slightly more vulnerable. But, some people think the fires and denuding of the sage is pretty significant.

Just take that area northwest of Winnmucca. They had a big fire up there (what) 20 years ago and has it ever really snapped back.

Gotta have hope!
Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on February 29, 2020, 08:35 AM:

So Koko, were you shooting high or low? And just how much hold over is there at 125 yards?

On my compound my single pin adjustable sight allows me to shoot out to about 80 yards before I run out of adjustment, at which point I'd be simply guessing on hold over.

I've never practiced any further then 70 yards and I've never shot at any game animal past 55 yards. Only reason I shot that far was because I had put an arrow through an elk and called him back in and got a 2nd shot, and since he was still on his feet, I wanted to hit him again. Kind of amazing to me that my 2nd arrow completely passed through at that range and thankfully it was better shot placement then the first and was lethal.

Shot a few coyotes with my bow years ago. Most memorable was one that I hit almost directly between the eyes as he was coming to the call.

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 01, 2020, 10:08 AM:

Haven't forgotten about ya, TR.
Rebaling my range. .......... Will try to post a proper response thip p.m. [Cool]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 01, 2020, 06:31 PM:

I, for one, cannot wait!

edit: actually, I don't have the time right now, and I'm a plunger, if you know what I mean? Once I decide to get into strings and pointed sticks, I'd go hog wild.

Good hunting. El Bee

[ March 01, 2020, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on March 01, 2020, 07:06 PM:

Productive day !!! ...... I now have the coolest 3D bear target ever. Old bales for a backstop with a cardboard facing & a rattlecan camo job. Target is a couple of yards in front. I 'just happened' to have a leg bone off of a smallish cow. Put an old tennis shoe on it and positioned it by the bear target. Yeah, I've got a weird sense of humor.

Ok ............. The shots were downhill into a sand wash. Couldn't follow the flight all of the way & fell a bit short.
Can't imagine hunting with a single adjustable pin. Back in the day when I shot a compound w/pins I ran three pins, 20-40-60 and a dot on the pin guard was 80. Simple & worked for me.
On long clout shots we would 'walk the pins'. Basically, if you're looking at, say, 120 yards you would put your 80 pin on the target and go up 40 yards to the 40 yard pin and note what that pin is on. Tree, rock, whatever. Move the 80 yard pin up to where the 40 yard pin was, give it just a wee bit more and cut 'er loose. With practice you may not hit the jackrabbit but you may come close enough to make him jump.
With a recurve, the hold-over is quite a bit above point on at those kinds of distances.
Now, a couple of things;
(1) I believe that as long as it can be done safely, that there is no such thing as an un-ethical practice / roving shot.
(2) I also believe that extremely long shots should not be taken at game animals.
However, as far as maximum distances go, I think that it depends on a lot of things. Taking a shot from a stand after four hours of sitting in the snow is not the same as an early season still-hunt with a roving practice shot now and then.
(3) What I do believe strongly is that more than limiting distance is how long is one willing to spend tracking in the event of a poor hit, long or close range. Poo-poo occurs and unless the shooter is willing to spend the time to see it thru to the end no mater how long it takes, he shouldn't drop the string or the hammer.

End of rant [Big Grin]

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 01, 2020, 08:55 PM:

Yes, and you know all those news stories featuring a duck with an arrow that managed to stick out the far side and perfectly centered and the duck none the worse for wear. Makes great propaganda! You get it.

I think most ethical hunters at least weigh diminishing returns, as far as recovering a cripple. Evaluating an initial shot, I personally need several things to be in place before I will fling lead "Out Yonder." People don't realize how an animal literally disappears when it falls. Maybe sometimes you might be standing on a hill and have barren ground between you and the game. Dream on!

I could go on, it's almost dark, the wind is blowing sideways, the animal is running and quartering away. Lots of variables and the responsible hunter needs to be realistic, whether it's archery tackle, a handgun, primitive, or some kind of trapdoor 45-70. But the worst offenders will probably have a "Ray Gun" and supreme confidence. lol

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: what I mean by initial shot does not mean that you can't take a low percentage shot at wounded game.

[ March 01, 2020, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on April 19, 2020, 05:34 AM:

When I was able to hunt never pointed a stick at anything past 45 yards!
killed dead many a critter !

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 19, 2020, 11:21 AM:

Long downhill shots in the direction I was going anyway at a hung up critter.
Nothing ventured ..........................

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2020, 09:47 AM:

I think I'm familiar with that expression! Does it end with:
"nothing gained" ?

Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 20, 2020, 03:33 PM:

Yup.

I have a sign in my workshop;

"The guaranteed way to fail is to not try in the first place".

Unless you're bench pressing without a spotter. Bad idea. Really really bad idea.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 20, 2020, 05:22 PM:

Used to do it all the time, and I survived. Somehow? Is there an expiration? I mean, they won't take me alive, believe that!

I mean. I'm just thinking about the people that are getting in trouble for objecting to rules. Somebody was recently actually arrested for voicing objections to some governors rules. The Consolidated Left is totally on board with suppression of basic civil rights!

The fucking Democrats are nudging closer and closer to full blown Fascists!

I swear, it's true. We are only one election away from losing ALL of our basic civil rights! Lefties really like CONTROL! That is getting more obvious every day!

Good hunting. El Bee

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on May 03, 2020, 12:54 PM:

I usually leave em alone this time of year but when I spotted this handsome gal about 1/2 mile out behind my house the other day, I just had to try to put her out of her misery. Was kind of a fire drill since I had pulled batteries out of my call and remote. Had sweats on, but grabbed a camo jacket and hat. Through the suppressor on my .22 creede because I hadn't drawn blood with it yet. She came running to rabbit on a string. Had to bark stop her at 35 yards.
Ain't she a beaut Clark!

KIMG0497 by Tim Richard, on Flickr

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 03, 2020, 06:03 PM:

You are my hero! I know the feeling, some of them are just asking for it!

Good hunting. El Bee

PS what is that camo pattern on the stock?

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on May 05, 2020, 05:51 PM:

Leonard, I bought the rifle used and the stock matched the barrel, all cerekote green. I didn't care for it so I gave the stock a rattle can digital spray job. Ain't the best but as far as I'm concerned, better than all green.

Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on May 05, 2020, 06:50 PM:

Last stand I made was three weeks ago. Every thing was paired up and every morning I went out I was sucking in pairs.The last morning I made sure and took camera on each stand for photos to keep on phone. Called in a pair on first stand, got both of them, but second stand had me missing the female of the pair.
Third stand was to be my last of the day, was getting warm and wife and I had some shit to do in town. Walking out I felt in my pocket, no camera, figured I'd just drag whatever I shot back to truck for photo session.
Five minutes into the stand, in comes a big mature lion, sat down at 40 yards and glared at my dog for ten minutes. I had no intentions of shooting it, so got ready to leave. Every time the dog sees me drop magazine and pull bolt back to unload, he comes back to me and when I lower my rifle, he's up in my lap looking and scanning.
Lion sat there watching the ritual, when I stood up to retrieve the call,and the dog jumped from my lap, that's when it decided to stand, turn and walk briskly away.
The whole time, my dog never had never spotted it, only when I'd raise my rifle to get a close up, man he would focus on where the rifle was pointed, but without movement he never laid eyes on it. Of course when it left, he caught that movement and damned if he didn't haul ass after it. Fortunately, he is reasonably obedient and pays attention to commands. I hollered, he was 20 yards on its tail, but he checked up, and came right back.
That's the third lion Ive ever called in, but among the 9 Ive been fortunate to see while out hunting and poking around in southern Arizona.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 06, 2020, 08:26 AM:

Good story.

Except for one, every lion I've seen was at night. No! two come to think of it. One thing for sure, you always remember a lion.

You know what they say? Hunt the mountains where the deer are and you have a much better chance of calling a lion. That's pretty well true, but those transients sometimes move from one range to another. Hard to say but I've heard that a Tom might have a territory of 100 miles. I'm not sure if that's from boundary to boundary or square miles, or what but they might have 4-6 females within that territory?

Good hunting. El Bee

My pup would not have stopped! Talk about a free spirit! And, I have a certificate that says she graduated from Obedience School!

Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on May 06, 2020, 09:50 AM:

This is the second lion Ive called right down in the mesquite and creosote brush, the rest have been in slightly higher elevations,cedar,oaks and pinion pine country, where our Coues deer live.

Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 06, 2020, 01:00 PM:

Yeah, the two I saw daytime, one was in greasewood and a lava flow, and the other was in flats, stunted Nevada sage.

Ya just never know? But they could be anywhere. Remember that guy that killed a lion with a shotgun and you jacked him up about it? Then he couldn't deal with it and offed himself. As I recall, the terrain he showed in his photo was standard AZ desert.

I'll tell you one thing, and it's one of those best kept secrets. Bobcats love to hunt those high desert washes far from the foothills. And, you know my contention is that it's very difficult to cat a cat uphill, but they are very easy to coax downhill. Many cat traits are pretty much universal.

Anyway, what kind of dog are you talking about? Has he ever seen a lion before, or any cat? I have this bitch and she will turn one year old on the 16th of this month. Green as they come but she's beauty! One of her litter mates already won a puppy class show, but Tillie was the pick of the litter. She's gorgeous and I get many people asking what she is? They seem to know she's something, but you don't see many Blueticks around this town.

Really, that's what bugs me. Lots of French Bulldogs and Pugs and German shorthair and Labrador Retrievers, even English Bulldogs and German Shepards and French Poodles, Australian Shepards, but damned few born and bred American breeds, maybe a few Jack Russels. But people around here don't have any idea what a coonhound looks like.

Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on May 16, 2020, 05:44 AM:

Man that would be cool to call a lion, especially if a guy was targeting a lion. A wolf would be high on my list too.
Hell, for me, I'm dang lucky to ever call in a bobcat around here. I finally called another one in just a couple of years ago. Wouldn't ya know it, bobcat season didn't open for another week, after I called this one in. I got lucky and had my camera in my pocket this time.

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