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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 05, 2019, 05:25 PM:
How do you prefer to carry extra ammo while calling...if at all? Do you simply load up the rifle/shotgun to capacity and call it good? Shell holders on the rifle/shotgun? A bag of some kind? What?
Im talking about a daytime walk out and sit stand. I personally cant get away from stock mounted ammo carriers. Its just second nature for me, and I can reload pretty fast, which is important to me. I have ran low or out to many times not to carry extra. Sometimes I get pulled far away from the truck following up multiples, bad shots or other opportunities.
Just curious what others do on a consistent basis.
Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on April 05, 2019, 06:24 PM:
I've always used a shell holder on my rifle stock. Rifle holds 5 and my shell holder holds 9 and I have yet to run out before getting back to the truck after some long walk-a-bouts.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 06, 2019, 03:12 AM:
This thread outs me as OCD, I ALWAYS have three in the rifle, that is one chambered and two down in the magazine, and always five in my right front pants pocket. With out this ritual, I just KNOW I'll have bad luck.
Posted by tedo (Member # 4320) on April 06, 2019, 04:22 AM:
I tried one of those stock shell holders on the shotgun but it moved the balance point too far back and just didn't point point or swing right for me. Anyone is welcome to it if I can find it. For the centerfire rifles I use the previous mentioned technique of the right front pocket although exact number is not important, I grab a handful and stuff them in my pocket. I found that the Riggs carpenter jeans have stout pockets and are a rip stop material so barb wire holes tend to stay small. I carry a 3'-4' piece of parachute cord to lift the bottom wire up on fences so I can crawl under where there is no gate or shaky fence posts.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on April 06, 2019, 05:19 AM:
Four or five in the rifle another four or five in right front pants pocket.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 06, 2019, 06:22 AM:
Rifle has DBM, I run a 5rd AICS magazine. Could run a 10, but I don't see the need (for me) But, I do carry a 2nd full 5rd mag a kydex mag holder, on my belt...
Not that sending more than 5 rounds happens even at all (for me) on stand, mind you! Rather, I carry spare mag, same as when shooting a precision rifle match, where timed stages & mag changes are a matter of course. Some stages work mag changes in as requirements of completion.
If I do happen to send more than 3rds on stand, I'll just do a quick mag change and know I've got anther 5 rds ready to send, instead of the two remaining. Again, a rare occurance, just making best use of available tools.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2019, 06:28 AM:
A variation, I usually load the magazine, whatever it will take, at least starting out. If it holds 4 or 5 and I fire one, next stand, I may not replace it. But, my MoJo ritual is 3 rounds in my back pocket, if I have one. I know, it might seem uncomfortable sitting on them, but I don't seem to notice, for some reason? This is in direct counter to my attitude about a wallet. I always carry it in the right rear pocket but take it out as soon as I climb in the truck and it's because I think sitting on a damned wallet is pure torture!
Personally, I CANNOT STAND THOSE FRIGGIN' AMMO HOLDERS on the stock! Never had one, never used one and never will. As far as I'm concerned, that's Rambo stuff. I apologize to those that think they are great, and useful, etc. But, I don't want that shit hanging on my rifle. Period.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 06, 2019, 10:14 AM:
Good input guys thanks.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 06, 2019, 11:39 AM:
Yeah I’ve got the “Rambo” ammo holders on my stocks. Holds 9 and zips closed. Then I usually have 4 in the clip 1 in the Barrel with my CZ, and 3 in the Magazine 1 in the Barrel with my 700...... seems to work for me.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 06, 2019, 12:48 PM:
OMG! Chad! Chad!
Why not go Full Pancho Villa, with crossed ammo belts?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 06, 2019, 02:02 PM:
Lately, I just use a bow quiver. Holds 10. Six hunting, two rabbit & two stumpers.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 06, 2019, 02:28 PM:
Well I happened to watch an episode of foxpro furtakers and they had Cal on there and he had one on his rifle looked like a nice little setup, so I bought one. Haven’t regretted it a bit nice cheek pad on the opposite side too...
Besides I hate putting shit in my pockets....
Good Hunting Chad
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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 06, 2019, 02:50 PM:
Same here...I dont like carrying a bunch of stuff in my pockets...even though thats what they are for.
Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on April 06, 2019, 05:04 PM:
I just carry an extra magazine for my AR 15 in my pocket or in my backpack.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 06, 2019, 05:38 PM:
Years of working on fire trucks and ambulances got me in an unbreakable habit of always stowing gear in the same place, every time. I don't even own a 10-round or smaller mag for my AR so I have a 20-round in the gun, and a 20-round in my right breast pocket. Cell phone in left breast pocket. Drags in right lower leg pocket. stow my wallet in the truck as soon as I get out of the house because I belly crawled once to drop a female that had been stalking newborn calves and my shooter came along behind me fifteen minutes later with my wallet in his hand having found it where it had fallen from my rear pocket. I fill magazine(s) before I leave the shop and it's very rare that I go through a full mag in a week let alone a day. With that said, I have a gearbag with my e-caller shit where I carry 10-15 10-round stripper clips and a charger for refilling. A place for everything, and everything in its place.
Edit: AR's are built for the purpose of hanging shit on your gun. I have an angled forearm handgrip on my handguard because the damned things are so awkward to hold otherwise. Used to have a Harris on there, Even have a laser and light for it. All kinds of toys to "accessorize" with.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2019, 07:00 AM:
Lance, I can't imagine a 20 round magazine in my right breast pocket! I can't imagine the purpose? Okay, Okay, I guess it's harmless. If you want to call hunting coyotes with an AR, harmless?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 07, 2019, 07:53 AM:
I thought that the 20 round AR magazines were supposed to be taped together, one up, one down. ????
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 07, 2019, 08:21 AM:
edit: Actually, I vastly prefer 20 round mags to 30 round. I don't own any that are shorter but have a couple that have a plug to restrict the number of rounds they will hold.
about taping the magazines together. What drives me nuts about that one is how a bump can dislodge a couple or the main thing is all the dirt and crud that would lodge in the exposed cartridges and then you try to quickly switch and jamb your gun. But, it's cool!
You know, I'm not sure about Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Viet Nam, those troops just off the plane, when issued a firearm, had no means of sighting it in and it didn't even occur to most of them, they assumed it would shoot where they aimed, in the unlikely event that they felt like aiming.
I never hunt big game or coyotes without assuring myself that I'm zeroed. We used to talk about a battlefield setting, something we would commit to memory, so many clicks up and right or left. I guess when in a war situation, there's little time for stuff like that?
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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 07, 2019, 11:57 AM:
Sitting on a wallet over a prolonged period can actually lead to lower back problems. Plus, you're more susceptible to gettin' a pocket picked. Just sayin...
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 07, 2019, 12:12 PM:
A George Costanza wallet will fuck u up for sure. Mines real thin...cause theres no money in it.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on April 07, 2019, 06:57 PM:
LB, I actually carry that 20r magazine and a red plastic M&Ms tube full of .22LR for the 6-shooter on my hip in that pocket. Bear in mind, I broke myself of "spray and pray" a long time ago. My AR is pretty much a well-appointed single shot as far as hunting goes. As I said, the ammo I have on my person is enough to last me a weekend or two and that's with killing several coyotes.
Case in point. End of this season, got a call from one of my landowners that I didn't even call this year. Had a calf killed in his calf lot and had bumped the coyote out of there two mornings in a row. Could I help a fella out? Hell yeah.
Now, this was a high-pressure situation for me because these guys graduated from the same high school as me six years before and smack dab between us is a guy who has been Wildlife Services for quite a few years. Used to be in Oregon, did some time in Idaho and got assigned to the Aleutian Islands in Alaska once to kill foxes. He has a couple of my PREDATR Calls and loves them. Anyway, that guy is in Nebraska now and he's always been good for a beer or ten with these landowners when back in the area. I kinda felt I'd better produce results because, good or bad, Mike was gonna hear about how I did.
First evening out, I'm setting up where I bet the coyotes are staying and I call in a nice big tom bobcat. Send pics to Mike because I called it on his old home place. Turns out he'd been aerial gunning in NE Colorado that afternoon and had gotten 49 coyotes in 4 hours. He's wins the bragging rights.
Go back out the next morning and call that same pasture. 15 minutes in, a large pale male comes in at my 3 oclock. Just as I drop the trigger on my AR, aiming right at the center of his throat, he turns toward the caller and I catch him on the point of the left shoulder. Down he goes. Up he comes, leg spinning like a broken second hand. Autoloader comes in handy as he beats feet right to left at about 60 yards. Shoot four more times. Hit him again with 1, 2 is a miss, 3 is a hit and 4 anchors him. Tough bastard. The load I'm using is a routine 1-shot, 1-kill round so wow.
Move across I-70 to the same drainage, just 1/2 mile north as the crow flies. Hadn't been calling much more than 30 seconds and a pair come out of the cedars. Front one is tracking to my left toward the caller while number 2 is straight out. I swing left and smoke #1 at about 40 yards. 2 bugs out first running to the left. Shoot and miss. Turns him to the right. Shoot and miss. Turns to go straight away. Thanks, buddy. One thru the back of its head. Both males.
That's been 6 weeks ago. Those guys calved another 48 babies without so much as seeing or hearing a coyote anywhere near their two calving lots. Last I heard, they texted me and told me I'd done "a hell of a job" and "thanks!!!". Hope they told Mike the same. Still didn't need that backup magazine.
Earlier in the season, got three coyotes out of four that showed. In four shots. In less than five seconds. I can't do that with a bolt gun.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 08, 2019, 07:44 AM:
Boy, did I get an email from, He Who Shall Not Be Named, this morning! I didn't know what the hell he was talking about exactly, but figured out Lance must be involved when I got to the last line that mentioned something about a 20 round mag in his front pocket. And now Lance thinks I AM stirring shit! With this pair to draw to, they don't need any help from me.
Yeah, those quick followup shots. That's what I was thinking when I bought that AR 20 years ago. Except, I was using match bullets that my 220Swift didn't like and at 223 velocities, they didn't kill for shit, and right away, I saw the value of those quick followup shots. When a coyote starts fussing, it takes a lot to cool his jets. Keep up the good work, Lance!
(just kidding, Buddy)
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Brent Parker (Member # 4354) on April 08, 2019, 12:17 PM:
Bolt rifle is a Tikka so I carry a spare magazine in my chest pouch, same when I carry the AR except the spare mag is in the pack. The shotgun has a mag tube extension and I just load it till its full. 8 rounds has never failed me on a single stand so far. I can always hope it does!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 08, 2019, 01:10 PM:
Yeah, that's like my wish on every hunt. I hope I run out of ammo! Has never happened, but I came close one time when I decided to crimp a box, for some unknown reason, and found out later, they wouldn't chamber. Still managed to not run out.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 08, 2019, 05:41 PM:
I tend to carry more ammo than I'll likely make go bang; BUT ……………….. I can always bring unfired rounds to the next stand. If I don't carry enough though, I can only sit and look stupid holding an empty gun with a coyote standing out in front of me.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on April 08, 2019, 07:03 PM:
Only one time have I ever ran out of ammunition on a day hunt, had 15 rounds in the ammo box, and under usual circumstances, that's enough for two days of hunting, handcuffed myself that day.
What has fucked me up more times that not, is not having extra batteries with me. When your 30 miles from home, and nestle into your first stand of a golden morning, and three minutes into the first stand, the absolute worst sound in the world.....is no sound, now that, Ive done several times. All ws not lost, just spent the rest of the day wandering around with my dog looking for Indian artifacts and such.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on April 08, 2019, 08:49 PM:
Yeah I’ve had that happen more than a few times. I always have a Critr call or Weems call around my neck for those times.
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 09, 2019, 04:15 AM:
Kinda been thinking along the same lines as Brent & Mr. Vic. That being, if you're actually needing a 10rd magazine on stand, you're either doing something very right...or, very wrong!
On a "good" stand, you get the coyotes coming like they're on a conveyor belt...one or two, then another one pops up, etc. It's like rifle 'whack-a-mole', the greatest fun ever! Just sayin', ya have ample time in between whackin' to drop & swap a 5rd mag, if necessary...
Conversely, on a "bad" stand gone awry, the proverbial shit hits the fan with multiples charging in, then scattering when the shootin' starts. When that happens, how often do you get the chance to break 5 clean shots at viable targets? Sure, maybe ya knock #1 down, then bark #2 to a stop & smoke it. But, after that stragglers tend to head for Dodge city! Then, its air ball time @ 300+ on Wiley with his ears pinned back. Good luck on those!!!
I've hunted enough 'out west' to know that, even on the most open areas like a Nebraska Sandhills, you pretty much have 3-5 cracks at flaring/ running coyotes before the reality sets in that ya just milked that stand for it's worth...
Now, if you're wanting to hike & hunt for miles from the truck, I can see wanting a large capacity mag, for sheer storage capacity. But, reckon if I'm doing that, I'll have some sort of mini backpack on to tote caller, sticks, water, etc. Given that, you could keep a softy ammo wallet in the pack that protects your precious hand loads.
. Like this one
Still, a Ziplock freezer bag lined with a paper towel will hold looseys well enough in a pack..
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 09, 2019, 09:00 AM:
A pet peeve of mine, Fred. They take us for a bunch of Rubes, so they camouflage stuff for the eye appeal, regardless of the utility. I always think, if I drop my knife or my call or my flashlight, why make it hard to find? So why use a camo pattern on the inside of that swell ammo pouch? I give up?
My buddy gave me an expensive looking leather wallet for holding 5 extra cartridges. It's rather handsome, but I have never actually packed it anywhere. Should last a long time?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 09, 2019, 01:14 PM:
I do have an ammo pouch like those for my gear bag, and I just ordered a 10 rounder from the site Fred posted above.
Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on April 10, 2019, 10:53 AM:
For me I got one in the gun and nine in a holder on the stock. I hunt a lot from a four wheeler so I always got some more in my box on the back of the four wheeler. I do a lot of cat and coon hunting with a single shot 22 hornet, on it I got a pouch that slides over the stock that I can put 15 in it easy.
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 13, 2019, 09:25 AM:
Here in the People's Republik we can only hunt with three rounds in the gun. If I have an AR I usually have a five rounder loaded with three in the gun and another loaded with three in my pocket.
Meanwhile my issue Colt is locked in a gun rack in the Explorer with three 30 rounders. Great state we have here, and it's only getting worse under the new governor.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 13, 2019, 03:37 PM:
A pic for Leonard..a little ammo card that rides on the stock. I know you want one...copier!
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 13, 2019, 05:58 PM:
Gee thanks! That looks like just the thing for my stock. No dice. I’m pretty fussy about gear hanging on my rifle. Wouldn’t even want to try it to see if I’d like it. I won’t like it.
Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 13, 2019, 08:11 PM:
I like to grab a rifle and go hunting. So I have one of the stock ammo carriers on all my bolt guns and grab 5 to load the gun with. That will usually last me all morning but I tend to park at the gate and walk a mile or 5 before getting back to the truck.
AR's, I'm good with one 20 round mag.
But my EDC is a 15 round 9mm in an IWB holster and an extra 15 round mag on my belt, a folding knife and a flashlight. I carry all my basic hunting gear in a HPG kit bag. You just never know...
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 14, 2019, 02:07 PM:
Tom, I always feel better having an extra gun on me in the woods. Like you said, you never know...
Aside from that, one time I had to track a wounded coyote through some low growing rhododendron. It was so thick I had to crawl on my hands and knees to get through it. I ended up dragging the shottie behind me and held a pistol out in front of me as I was crawling. I didn't want to bump into a nasty wounded coyote right in my face..
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2019, 03:45 PM:
Well, I don't have any thing against a spare rifle, in fact, I always have at least one extra. Granted, they are usually configured differently, like the night gun is heavy, with a higher powered scope. And usually have what Fred calls a "shottie".
The thing is, Virtually all my hunting has been long weekend trips, not just grabbing a handy rifle and out the door for a couple quick stands before supper. I'm gone from Friday until dark Sunday then sit in front of the TV until I fall asleep.
Anybody that puts on 1000-1500 miles will probably have a spare rifle with him. We just do things differently out here. Actually, you have to. I can't even legally shoot until I get past Barstow and that's 75 miles away. So, if I want to get to desert wilderness, and get away from people along the coast, I have to head for the border. Been doing it that way since 1968. Lots of rubber, lots of gas but beats watching ESPN on weekends.
Close encounters with cats and dogs? Yup, been there, defended myself, too. Not so much an animal that is hurt and you can walk up on. No, it's the ones that are desperately trying to escape that will turn on you. Again, we don't crawl through the flower beds out here. Too much cactus and thorns, scorpions, rattlesnakes and sharp rocks like lava.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on April 14, 2019, 07:57 PM:
The last couple of years we've started to have a bad hog problem around my part of the country. I have had two different boars charge in on me while calling. Frist one came in while I was trying to call coons, took three shots in the head from my 22 hornet to put it down. The last one came in from behind me was just able to jump out of the way before it hit me. Had the 22-250 that time just took one behind the ear to put it down. After that I started carrying my 40sw on my side things can get alittle wild some times. I've shoot some that have had 3" tusk, if they every hit you with them they could tear a body up. I use to make fun of my hunting buddy for carrying a side arm on a evening hunt but now I carry mind all the time and he just looks at me and grins.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 15, 2019, 06:08 AM:
You bring up a damned good point, Eddie. Hogs are big and at least as fast as a coyote. We have some north of here on private land but that's why I hardly ever go that way.
In fact, 49 was talking about crawling after a wounded coyote through brush and it reminded me of the tunnels that the hogs have through the manzanita, and it's not too smart to crawl after them. besides, just as soon as you would start, they would be out the other side and galloping away up a hill.
But, I'm not anywhere near to packing iron on my hip, that's a little too melodramatic for this kid. After I get mauled maybe I will change my mind?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 15, 2019, 07:18 AM:
The one and only stand I made this year was to kill a bobcat that a lady wanted removed from her property. I called a big cat up late in the evening and shot it but it jumped and hauled tail to the brush. It was getting dark and I was more comfortable searching for it with my 9mm pistol in my hand than with my machine gun.
Hogs are thick here but so far they've ran away from me instead of towards me thankfully.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 15, 2019, 10:36 AM:
Yeah, wow! Those 223 machineguns are usually very deadly on cats? (just kidding)
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 15, 2019, 02:17 PM:
I figured you'd get a kick out of that.