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Aznative
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posted March 01, 2018 07:33 AM
It looks like Trump will sign a comprehensive gun control bill that would include an assault weapons ban and probably a high cap mag ban. In one of his meetings he told the members of congress do not stick national concealed carry reciprocity onto the comprehensive gun bill because it wont get through congress. He isn't 100 percent behind the NRA so lied to us. This is where his deal making skills will screw us. We are lucky Obama was so divisive he couldn't swing such a deal.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article202729549.html
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posted March 01, 2018 08:17 AM
Yeah, I'm really starting to wonder now ?
Trump was a obvious choice vs Clinton.
Are we screwed ? perhaps it is a one party system after all ?
Trump cannot budge an inch on gun control in my opinion or he has already failed us.
I hope & pray this is some kind of head game he's playing.
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Paul Melching
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posted March 01, 2018 08:55 AM
If he does this we are fucked and in turn he is fucked because of us ! We hired him !
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Paul Melching
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posted March 01, 2018 08:56 AM
They cannot and will not take my guns until they are all empty and I have and endless supply !
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Leonard
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posted March 01, 2018 10:12 AM
Let's not get too excited.
Appreciate the jamb he's in. Don't worry, his kids are keeping him informed about the slippery slope.
I'm not exactly sticking up for him but I'm damned grateful he's not Hillary. That one Supreme Court appointment alone gives him some juice with me.
The age limit on long guns is a huge mistake. It's not about buying a damned AR so a kid can hose down the classroom. It's about a 14 years old kid getting a rifle or shotgun for ducks and a deer. See, that's where the whole AR black gun question is blowing up in our face. That's all they see and it's stupid! I've been telling you guys for years that politically, the AR platform is a anchor around our neck. The left has framed the whole argument as a question of scary black machine guns. How the hell do we fight back that we need 30 round magazines and bump stocks, suppressers and pistol grips? That concept scares the dogshit out of Loonie Lefties.
So, the question isn't about buying a Ruger 22 auto, it's about arming kids with weapons of war. We've been swimming upstream for years on this issue. Politically, I don't see where Trump has a hell of a lot of wiggle room?
But, as far as the age limit, I think that opens up a whole can of worms. Might not even be constitutional? As I said before, first you have "kids" on their parent's health insurance until they are 26! WTF? Then, you have the age of enfranchisement at 18, these wet behind the ears "kids" can vote, and the things they think are important are nowhere the same as yours or mine.
Item on the news yesterday. Chevy Chase gets into an argument with some kid, 21 years old about a traffic incident. Chevy says; don't you know who I am? So, what would you do? I'd ask him, so who ARE you? Instead, the kid googles Chevy Chase, and still doesn't know who he is? There is such a gap in knowledge and life experience between me and 18 year olds, gap, I mean gulf! But, if we start to narrow the question to arming kids with machine guns rather than a Mossberg pump shotgun, you know; a sporting implement? That's our freedom going down the tubes! The whole thing, in a nutshell; an assault rifle only has one purpose, to kill as many people as possible in the shortest time possible. This is Holy Writ to Liberals, never mind that they don't register with the expression; Holy Writ.
But, how the hell do we counter bullshit statements like that? They totally believe in the validity of the statement and don't waste a minute concerning themselves with our freedom. No, this is selfish Narcissists looking out for their own interests, fuck you and your rights! "I want it and I want it now"!
As I've said MANY times, every time we negotiate, whether it's a hunting issue or a Second Amendment issue, THEY CAN'T LOSE. So, why not talk about it? in the spirit of camaraderie, we want them to like us and we want to be reasonable. We can't stand in the way of COMMON SENSE SOLUTIONS.
I think Trump knows we can't slogan the same "from my cold dead hands". I believe it, but I also think Lefties have too many dead kids on their side to listen to rational arguments. To them, it's utterly reasonable; nobody needs an AR to put 20 bullet holes in a fucking deer. They actually believe this, that if we HAVE twenty rounds, we will USE twenty rounds. And that's how stupid they are, and why we can't talk sense to them.
I don't want to sound negative. But, there are just so many slaughters before they are going to come after our guns to stop the crazies. Disarm reasonable, sane, law abiding citizens so that insane people don't slaughter the public. Never mind they can rent a truck and kill 50 people walking down the street. So, they haven't solved anything except infringe on my freedom. <sigh>
Think positive.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Paul Melching
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posted March 01, 2018 10:37 AM
I have a do support him fully however don't fuck with the constitution or you lose my loyalty now !
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posted March 01, 2018 11:32 AM
Paul, don't worry about Trump screwing with your Constitution. He can't do it. All he can do is write Executive Orders and Walmart will do the same, (store policy), they won't sell long guns, (assault rifles) to anyone under 21. Hello, Dick's, same thing, anything to help out. Where do they get off? The next thing you know, Walmart won't sell batteries to people because they might install them in their truck and mow down 50 people walking down the street! We are far past sane, reasonable conversation on the issue.
No, I can see and understand that Trump is in a bad spot. Okay, look. I had a conversation yesterday with a girlfriend. She had just heard that Health and Human services was catching all sorts of hell because the black guy spent $33,000 on dining room furniture. Where did she get that idea? From watching NBC.
So, I said, wait a minute, Hillary bribed governments and corporations to the tune of 150 million dollars. Michelle spent close to a billion dollars entertaining her mother in China, $25,000 a night suites! Besides vacations in Spain with her family, but only $400,000. Obamas spent a few days at Martha's Vineyard. He flew up separately, she flew up separately and the dog flew up separately. Did you ever hear anything about this on the news, I asked?
How about this, Nancy Pelosi traveled coast to coast every weekend on a huge AirForce jet, when every speaker before and since has traveled commercial air. I forget the actual cost, but it was in the millions of dollars? Did you Media jump all over these abuses by the Democrats? NO
So, what did she say after I ranted? "Yes, but all that taxpayer's money on wasteful furniture"! I offer examples of Media hypocrisy in Billions and Millions of dollars that the Media doesn't care about, but they jump all over spending $33,000 on a table and chairs. And, that's all Patti hears and she is indignant over wasteful spending! I point out the difference and she says, but it was TAXPAYERS money! What the hell kind of money was spent on those private jets to China and Spain and Martha's Vineyard? This is the low information voter that the media has in their hip pocket.
So, I also said, think about this Patti. Trump is donating his $400,000 annual salary to charity like the Veteran's Administration. That's 3 million, 2 hundred thousand dollars in donated salary. Ever hear a word about that in the media? No, but when his administration WASTES $33,000 on a dining table and chairs, we need to get to the bottom of this excessive expenditure. Democrats and the Media are so fucking dishonest! And, Patti falls for it hook line and sinker!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 01, 2018 01:09 PM
Now, I just read that Trump is reputed to have said something on the order of: "take the guns first then go to court."
I agree that that sounds slippery slope dangerous and he might need to walk that one back?
That's all I know? LB
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posted March 01, 2018 01:52 PM
"...........reputed to have said something on the order of........"
Sounds like something from CNN.
The hard fact is that we are going to lose something from all of this. It will be meaningless feel-good bullshit but we will lose something.
The important thing is that we don't end up losing in the mid-terms and the next presidential election. Regardless of what happens in the short term, it will be far and away worse if the looney left gets back in power. I believe that it's the middle moderates that Trump is courting for the upcoming elections.
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posted March 01, 2018 03:01 PM
In agreement not to 'jump the gun' against our President. Don't lose sight of all the pro 2A ideas he's suggested...
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posted March 01, 2018 03:18 PM
we gotta remember that the Dems. really don't want ANY gun control measures to pass right now because if THEY can't do it, they sure as hell don't want the Repubs. to do it and get credit for it. It would look really bad for Dems. at this point. And honestly I don't think the Dems want gun control to pass until they get full responsibility for it.
My fingers are crossed that out of all this talk that we don't lose any more than bump stocks, but who knows, I'm not so sure that the "21" to buy a long gun might also make it into law.
I hope Trump can get more traction on the "arming of faculty and staff". That makes the most sense to me when it comes to stopping the school shootings.
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posted March 01, 2018 03:57 PM
Well, along the same lines as TR mentions, for the life of me, I can't see why the Left wets their pants if a few brave teachers want to carry? What's the rationale? just wait for the door to be pushed open and the whole room sprayed? How is that sane reasoning?
In the first place, we have Air Marshals on board and nobody is getting the vapors over that? Why is it such a bad idea to give a teacher the option for self defense? They have an unreasonable fear of guns, an irrational fear, and we should resist the urge to accommodate them. It's "crazy" to give in to insanity.
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posted March 01, 2018 06:42 PM
Not to get off track, but the Walmart change of "policy" on selling long guns troubles me. If the law states you must be 18 to purchase a shotgun or rifle, are they not breaking the law by stating you must now be 21?
If the corner pub hangs a sign stating they are not going to sell liquor, beer or wine to anyone not age 25 or older, but the legal age is 21, people would be screaming, no?
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posted March 02, 2018 05:01 AM
Exactly, TR!
BTW, raising the legal age of sale to 21 is no big deal. Some 'big box' retailers already had that policy for years, and it's their right to do so!
The MSM is hoping that conservatives will turn and eat their own on this gun issue.
Don't fall for it, POTUS is on our side!
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posted March 02, 2018 06:58 AM
I wonder how they would try to regulate or confiscate AR’s? There are so many of them, no one really knows how many.
Parts, 80% lowers etc. .Trying to organize them would be a confusing mess- might be a good thing. Confiscation? Unlikely in the US. Stop sales of new? Maybe.
It would probably be easier to give up the bump stocks and 21age limit rather than use up too much valuable political capital on them.
I agree that AR’s and large cap mags are a liability.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want any further regulation.
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posted March 02, 2018 07:23 AM
I guess maybe Walmart has the right to their knee-jerk reaction? I can tell you this much, they quit selling firearms in California a long time ago. Same with Dick's, they look like a Big 5 because it's all athletic, tennis rackets and fashionable sports togs.
I can still blame them for the arbitrary decision, and I do.
Now, as far as Trump, I probably misspoke? I didn't know the whole thing, and he is definitely wrong. He should shut up and quit kissing Finestein's ass.
Anyway, it's one thing to decide not to sell AR type platforms, and another not to sell to anyone under the age of 21. The way I see it, it's a big mistake to let them get away with not selling any firearms to someone under 21. Lots of kids are going to be long past interest in anything but smartphones and pussy by that age and if we can't put a 22 in their hands when they are 14, we and they miss out. Since there is no straw man provisions, even a dad can't buy that gun for his kid, technically.
As has been said, we always lose something. The assholes never lose. As I recall, in California, I can't even buy ANYTHING in 50 caliber except black powder. It must be too dangerous? But we have bureaucratic blockheads deciding things for us and that's where they draw the arbitrary line. And, don't forget, this is a bellwether state. Whatever starts here will be coming your way, next year. Actually, a state that elects somebody like Jeff Flake is already down the rabbit hole, liberally wise and That's exactly what I'm thinking, if I move here, and pondering a reason not to....
I have never fathomed the reasons for America's Rifle? It actually has a Star Wars look about it. Nothing fine quality craftsmanship, black plastic, etc. I have been saying for years that it's a POS, but can't quite bring myself to agree that it has only one purpose, to kill as many people in the shortest time possible. When hunting with someone that is using an AR, secretly, it annoys me, (a little bit) the entire time. I can't fucking help it!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 02, 2018 09:17 AM
I know for a damn fact that nothing will stop the mayhem that the political left wants. They can take away every gun in the country. They can build the wall on both borders and inspect every shipping container coming in for guns and the mayhem will continue. If it isn't a gun it will be a bomb, a truck, a molentov cocktail, deadly toxins or biological agents. I'm sure there are recipes on the internet. For example London is facing acid attacks almost daily.
What must change is our culture. As Leonard has said many times in the past, do not show the person's picture and name in the news media. Just report a 21 year white male was a rage shooter at... We are simply giving the person what he wants: mass attention. Regulating video games and the movies we watch would be a nice start. I've been reading about our past presidents lately. I've recently read a book about Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Monroe and 2/3rds done with Madison right now. I'v also read a book about Truman, T. Roosevelt and Grant. Grant was the most interesting President IMHO.
The reason why I bring this up is, unlike Obama, all of the above Presidents were God fearing men. God is something this country has lost and with it the American family. The American family is full of step kids, single moms , dead beat dads, and drug addicted parents. In the ghettos, daddy is the man that is shacking up with mom this week. Young males lack a role model of what is needed to be a man. With the left emasculating men, many 2 parent households are still lacking good male role models. The big issue with my solutions are many cannot be legislated by our government. What is needed are additional tax breaks that would allow one parent to not work. We should control the violence in media. The media needs to get on board with not giving rage shooters their 15 minutes of fame. These are real solutions that will help. Any other ideas?
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posted March 02, 2018 09:40 AM
Here's the thing, "policy" is not law. It was a "policy" of a bakery not to make wedding cakes for homosexual unions, and look where that got them.
It could be ones "policy" not to do business with blacks too, but I'm sure that would end in a nasty end too.
Wish I was 19, and needed a shotgun from Walmart, think I'd tote along a phone and record the whole fiasco and trot down to a good lawyers office, might end up having enough loot to buy a lot of good shotguns?
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posted March 03, 2018 09:22 AM
As has been mentioned, I think the breakdown of the family structure and the many social/mental problems this leads to is the obvious stage for many of these shootings. The question is, what can be done about it? Not suggesting something can't be done about it, simply asking what can be done about it?
The breakdown of the family structure leads to hopelessness and despair for these kids. The lines between wrong and right become oblivious. Unfortunately, I don't see that situation getting any better. In fact, I fully expect it to get worse. So again, what can we do about it?
I don't think there is any single approach that will help this situation. I think it has to be a combination of things.
First, I would like to see a collection of some of the best minds available come up with better ways of dealing with mentally unstable kids inside the school system. This is going to take some mentors of extreme determination to help these kids gain more respect for others by feeling better about themselves.
I don't want to pretend to know how to approach this situation but I think there are people out there, like Billy Graham, that can give hope to these hopeless kids. School may just have to become a place for parenting that is not being taught at home.
Second, I think there needs to be a national campaign against bullying and segregation of certain students by other students. There has to be an element of inclusion for everyone so there is less of a chance for these kids to become outcasts with disdain towards those doing the bullying. Once again, there is nothing easy about this and I don't have many answers, only thoughts.
Third, I don't think we have any option at this point but to tighten security in our school systems. This may require metal detectors and armed guards like the airports. I think it has reached that point.
I also believe that we need to take a hard look at the current background check situation to purchase a gun. I do not believe in giving up any guns of any types but I do believe we need to take a harder look at who can and cannot obtain one.
As far as giving up assault weapons, the best defense against a bad person with an AR is to have one or more highly trained good persons with an AR, period!! They should be readily available for highly trained people in high risk areas just like a fire extinguisher that will open upon a finger print scan by said highly trained person.
Why the hell is the public so afraid of arming good people in our schools when that is exactly what the military does while protecting our country from enemies both foreign and domestic?? Why can't people see the obvious solution is arming good people to protect good people from bad people?
That's why every cop in this country carries a weapon. You don't see someone going into a police station and getting many rounds off.
You don't see many military personnel going postal and shooting other military personnel because it is a sure way to getting your own ticket punched.
Gun free zones without tight security are killing fields.
In summary, I think it is going to take a three pronged approach. Dealing with mental health issues in the school system with mentoring programs. It's going to take tightened security systems and it's going to take armed good people.
As the family structure in this country continues to break down and leaves more hopeless children in it's path, taking weapons from good people will certainly lead to the deaths of more good people by illegally obtained arms in the hands of bad people.
These gun grabbing liberals will cause more deaths with their ignorance. We can't risk letting that happen.
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posted March 03, 2018 06:04 PM
Let me wade in here and critique Huber for a minute.
First off, I think he's spot on about the break down of the nuclear family. Nobody has time anymore. What is it 70+% of black males grow up without a father figure with mom as head of household. Not to pick on blacks but the rest of the usual suspects aren't spending much time actually raising kids.
Mentally unstable? The thing is everybody is afraid to do anything. Why? Lawyers, that's why. We are the most litigious
Society in history. How can you make 37 visits to this clowns home without putting the fear of God into him. He told them what he was going to do! So, why the visits, for coffee and donuts? But I'm fine with reopening the mental hospitals. That was a huge mistake to turn these riff raff lose to shit in our doorways. It's a Liberal thing, these people have rights! They don't deserve to walk the streets, period.
Bullying? This is a Mean Girls problem. In my day, it was just kick the guys ass after school, now they gang up on a certain type that just can't handle it, but if you ever watched a flock of chickens attack a sick bird, it's ruthless, they kill it. So, it's more than a one on one bully thing, the whole friggin' school is relentless, the kid doesn't even want to go to school and at some point, give this creep a gun, and look out!
Okay, background checks. Here it's a slippery slope. Do we want Diane Feinstein deciding who gets guns? That's the problem. There's a certain element out there that would turn down a firearm application from the Pope. There needs to be safeguards.
Speaking of slippery slopes we have his next item, AR's. The black rifle gets no sympathy from me buy next thing you know these idiots that equate "Full Semi-auto" in an assault rifle with every damned semi auto on the planet; a technology that has been in common usage for well over 100 years. And, to explain the concept to these people is like talking Greek.
Gun Free Zones. I think we know the complete brain dead concept in play here. Enough said.
Arming teachers. Another suggestion that causes people to get the vapors. As was mentioned, we hired Air Marshall's and everybody actually feels a bit safer. The big hangup here is the buzzword; "TRAINING" because the Left thinks that ordinary gun owners are particularly not to be trusted. But as Wayne La Pierre said so eloquently, the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. I mean, that's a no brainer, every day, a cop answers the call, armed robbery at the liquor store. Hello?
I don't know if the population can withstand another attack on individual freedom or not. If these disturbed people keep killing innocent strangers, there are two slogans that particularly drive me batty.
1) We need to do something!
2) Common sense solutions
Both are a mouthful of nothing.
Good hunting. El Bee
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