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Frank
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posted August 18, 2013 06:22 PM
My female German Shepherd was attacked by a female pit bull on my front porch today. When the wife made it outside to stop the whole affair the pit bull was bleeding profusely from one of her legs. Our Shepherd didn't seem any worse for the wear. I looked her over good and didn't see any wounds. Funny, I didn't think female's of any breed would fight. I always thought it was males that did the fighting.
Got me to thinking.... how would this fight have turned out if the wife hadn't stopped it?
The wife's feet were covered in the pit bulls blood so I was thinking that despite the bred in pit bull behavior of clamping down and not letting go the Shepherd might have won this fight?
Any thoughts?
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posted August 19, 2013 06:19 AM
My only thought is I hope it was a major artery that got bit on the pit bull, and that it bled to death.
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posted August 19, 2013 08:10 AM
Where did the dog come from, Frank?
Ever see it around before?
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posted August 19, 2013 08:42 AM
He has not confided in me, but since I know he is involved in black stuff probably close to Edwards AFB, I'd say he either lives in Lancaster or Palmdale, maybe Pearblossom? Antelope Valley.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 19, 2013 09:03 AM
Now, as regarding "pit-bulls", as we know, putting them in a pit, one will lose the fight. So, they are not invincible. I also think, (don't know why) that females tend to be more docile? Something about a lack of testosterone?
Also, the breed is not raised for their killing skills any more, so they probably have dropped a notch in that category. Instinctually. Plus, your dog was defending it's home territory, with is kinda a big deal. Besides that, German Shepards are sufficiently vicious by reputation and she probably had a size advantage? Sounds like a 50/50 proposition?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 19, 2013 12:06 PM
Leonard, most hunters know a female hunting dog will hunt just as hard as a male of the same breed. Sometimes harder, since they are more focused on their job than with wanting to do normal 'doggie stuff'...
Same goes for a pit bulldog, they are (historically) bred for battle. Females of the breed possess the same drive as the males do...
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posted August 19, 2013 01:27 PM
I'm no expert, Fred. Relating the question to humans, at my age, I feel that I can hold my own with a good percentage of girls, trained or not.
I remember a long time ago when ABC used to have a midnight sports show on weekends. There was a match between two karate black belts. One was a man, and the other was a cute blonde. At the bell, the cute blonde came out swinging like a dervish, she was all over the guy. He seemed fairly calm, blocked most of her blows and then suddenly reached out and cold cocked her, laying her out with one punch. End of fight.
I have seen several documentaries about African lions. You know, the females do all the hunting, etc. Until they get their ass in a jamb. Then the pride male(s) start kicking ass and taking names. For sure the lionesses do not mess with the King of the Jungle, with good reason.
Anyway, I'm not so sure I'm buying this, as the norm:
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Females of the breed possess the same drive as the males do...
But, we all have a right to our opinions.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Frank
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posted August 19, 2013 05:31 PM
Leonard
I'm long gone from the black stuff. No more for me. With em letting muslims in to even go so far as to be security officers I give up. People are so politically correct nowadays it's gonna get people killed (ohhh? its happened already? Well no surprise here). Fuck em'.
I'm in the high desert near Palmdale. The pit bull was from a neighbor about 10 houses down and around the corner. She got out and the homeowner apologized profusely after my wife went over there and raised the dead.
She told her that if that pit bull would have hurt my daughter that I wasn't going to go after the pit bull until I did the same kind of damage her and THEN I would go after the pit bull.
This is one breed I can't stand. I've shot a few when varmint hunting when I would see them in with a pack of other dogs. Always took a little bit of pleasure in doing that.
Edit to add: There was a woman jogger a couple miles from where I live that was attacked by three or four pit bulls (just a few months back). She was out in the middle of the desert jogging. They killed her.
The owner is now in jail on murder charges ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ....as it should be!
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posted August 19, 2013 05:53 PM
Yeah, I've seen feral packs, mostly on reservations but I don't (usually) waste a bullet. I have killed a couple black cats, at night, mistaken identity. Believe me, that's easy to do. But that's in over 40 years, plus one coyote looking German Shepard that was running wild, nowhere near any civilization.
They used to complain about wild packs of dogs up in the high desert but I have not seen any in years? Navajo Res is terrible, a couple years ago we called in Indian dogs on virtually every stand. Seems like every hogan has 25 sheep and three dogs?
Nah, I wouldn't shoot a pitbull and potentially blow a stand. Counter productive. I have called in a few hounds though, they always want a ride. If they have ID, I will call but otherwise I just wish them GOOD LUCK.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 19, 2013 06:07 PM
Here's news coverage of the event. Lots of Mexicans round this area that own them thinking their cool to own such a vicious breed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjvXfceMHA
And training gots hardly nothing to do with it like these people always say. It's inbred into these dogs.
Here's more:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/31/california-pit-bull-owner-charged-with-murder-in-fatal-mauling/
What got me is this event was within walking distance from where I live.
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posted August 19, 2013 07:38 PM
training has a lot to do with it, are they more likely to fight then a weenier dog, probably, but I been bit by a lot more little dogs then pits. I have a pits off and on since I was a kid, none raised, all given to me after they were grown. I have shot some that didn't act the way they needed to but I have had some good ones, got one right now that's as well behaved and mannered as any dog here, will back down from a 3 month old pup at the food bowl, but will catch any hog I turn him out on, afterwards he will walk beside you back to the truck, yea training has a lot to do with it
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Frank
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posted August 19, 2013 08:32 PM
OOOPPPS
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posted August 19, 2013 09:44 PM
OK, I got his Bengal tiger, see. I trained him real good...whips and everything. He's now so docile I can put him in a cage all alone with my 2 year old and don't have to worry.
Training is everything!
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posted August 20, 2013 08:37 AM
You forgot to add that to save money, you feed him a Tofu based cat food, to keep his weight down. What could go wrong?
But, there are folks out there that love pits and defend them vigorously.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 20, 2013 08:52 AM
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And training gots hardly nothing to do with it like these people always say. It's inbred into these dogs
LOL, here we go again!
The gentleman who has a GSD for a pet, a breed historically bred to be a man biting attack/war/protection dog, doesn't trust or like "pitbulls".
You simply cannot make this shit up...
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posted August 20, 2013 08:58 AM
We get the irony, Fred.
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posted August 20, 2013 03:07 PM
I didn't say training is everything, I said it was a lot of it
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posted August 20, 2013 03:12 PM
Frank has been reading too much Mein Kampf, lately.
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posted August 20, 2013 05:56 PM
I agree with trapper, training has a lot to do with it as well as mis-traing...
As for male or female being aggressive it can go either way. A female can be just as protective or terr. as the male and a female will also mark its terr. and do other things males do. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Frank
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posted August 20, 2013 07:06 PM
If I thought for a moment my Shepard was a threat similar to a pit bull I wouldn't have her.
As far as dog breeds go, the number one killer of people are pit bulls.
Here's another important fact. I haven't trained my Shepard to kill...yet. The demeanor of the Shepard is completely different from the pit which is unpredictable. Did I mention they're also dumber than a rock?
You don't have to train a pit bull for killing...`it just comes outta them naturally at the worst times. Like when your grandparents are visiting, or your sister shows up with her newborn.
By-the-way, you should read Mein Kampf. It will give you insight into the mind of a madman genius. You may even come away with the distinct impression he was a crypto jew. It's the only way to describe his bizarre behavior and the decisions he made.
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posted August 20, 2013 07:32 PM
how many pits you owned and been around everyday frank? and I say bs to the dumber then rocks deal, everyone I have had for any amount of time has been trained to have good manners and do what I want it to same as any other dog here. but I am done talking about it with you cause I have figured out you are like some people I know, you got your mind made up and it would matter what someone told you or was able to sho you, you would change your mind, I can see it in all your posts.
I think roade's little saying applies here
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posted August 20, 2013 07:59 PM
I don't like trappers and that's where this probly comes from.
If you have to know, I've had plenty of dealings with pit bulls...all of them negative. Like the time one got affection for my leg and wouldn't stop. I walked over there to get away, I walked over here to get away...nothing worked. I finally kicked is ass so fuckin hard he flew ass over elbows across the room with a decided thump when he hit the opposite wall of the room maybe 15 foot away.
Or another time when one came into my garage while I was doing some woodworking. The pit just stood there looking at me...no tail wagging, no friendly gestures, just the cold look of a killer. I tried being friendly but there was nothing...just a cold dark stare. I had a hammer in my hands waiting for it to pounce. I'm here to tell you the breed is dumber than a fuckin rock and I've seen them eat their own shit, literally. A reflection on their owners I think
Like Leonard said, If I saw a dog out in the desert all friendly and everything I'd give it a ride to the owner. If it were a pit bull it would get a bullet. End of story.
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posted August 20, 2013 08:14 PM
I'm bewildered. I'm not taking sides, but I just can't see why the world wouldn't be better off without pitbulls? What are they good for that some other dog couldn't provide?
There is so much negative news and information concerning unprovoked attacks by pitbulls that I can't understand why people jump to their defense? What redeeming value do they possess that is unknown in any other breed?
The "training" angle lacks a bit of honesty, in my opinion.
Look, it's like culling goldfish. It requires aggressive culling of the "sports" or in a couple of generations you have carp. All the dog behavior people will tell you that a dog that shows aggression and/or bites should be put down, period. A policy like that, rather than excuses would go a long way.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 20, 2013 08:41 PM
Could the world be better off without Bosinskis or Farnsworths too. I'd say quite possibly.
Natural born killer, alright. Fucking stupid people piss me off!
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posted August 20, 2013 08:47 PM
Okay, fuck you, and your stupid opinion, asshole.
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