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Leonard
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posted February 24, 2011 12:07 AM
Somebody sent me an email concerning the latest issue of Outdoor Life. Said that Steve Craig wrote an article on lions but wouldn't tell me who wrote the article about bobcat. Said I'd get the vapors. I looked around and we don't have Outdoor Life on the racks out here and I'm not paying $3.95 to read the online version.
Can anybody provide me with the answer? Thank you.
Good hunting. LB
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posted February 24, 2011 02:21 AM
I'll check today and let you know.
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Steve Craig
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posted February 24, 2011 05:06 AM
Leonard,
I did not write the article. It was an interview article. Probably the worst article I ever saw. The guy spent several hours in the interview and couldnt even get on to paper what I told him! Horrible article and I am truely dissappointed in it.
Wish I had never done it. If you want to get things right, I guess you just have to do them yourself!
I was so angry when I saw it, I through it away and ddint read any other article. I just figured if mine was bad, so were the others!
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jimanaz
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posted February 24, 2011 07:44 AM
I haven't seen it, but if that article starts on page 54, vapors may be an understatement.
Too bad about your experience, Steve. Doesn't seem like it would be that tough to copy stuff from a recorder to the written page. Oh yeah, they call that artistic license. You ought to send a letter to the editors expressing your opinion of the guy who did it so they think twice about using his material again.
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Leonard
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posted February 24, 2011 11:03 AM
I am waiting patiently........
Who was the consultant expert on bobcats?
Damn, Steve. That's a shame. You know, I have done a couple things with Lance and he was very careful to show me what he was writing and allowing, (seeking might be a better term?) my input and clarifications right up to publication. As far as I'm concerned, that's the only responsible way to do any kind of technical interview for publication. There should be no excuse for editorializing and brainstorming by the author when he has no experience with the subject matter.
I'm thinking maybe Outdoor Life should change their name to, OUTDOOR LIFE EXTREME? At least then, it would warn the reader that the content is 90% bullshit.
Good hunting. LB
[ February 24, 2011, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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R.Shaw
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posted February 24, 2011 12:04 PM
You know him.
You love him.
He took the internet by storm and managed to get banned from practically every forum.
His experience exceeds Tim's.
I give you Scott Francom.
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Leonard
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posted February 24, 2011 01:57 PM
I should have guessed! Did it seem like he knew the subject matter? I mean, as much as any other Fruit Loops with a couple years under their belt, and a couple photos.
I feel the vapors coming on! Dizzy. I need to lay down.
edit: Thanks, Peanut Butter Man, da da da da duh! (like WATERMELON MAN)
[ February 24, 2011, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Cdog911
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posted February 24, 2011 02:04 PM
I saw the article while casing mail one day, gave it a quick look as I do with most material I see published at this time of the year to see if I know the author, but didn't have time to read it. I was glad to see Steve's input, and saw Scott on the cat section and Bryan Downs' part for coyotes. Didn't recognize the guy they spoke with about foxes, as I recall.
Sorry to hear about your experience with this, Steve. I enjoy using contributors because it allows me to step beyond the same old first-person angle, plus it brings context to the piece beyond my own experiences. At times, I've included input that was vastly different than my own, if only to illustrate to the reader that there are no set-in-stone rules. But, as Leonard pointed out (and thank you Lenord), I consider it of paramount importance to do everything within my power to ensure that my contributor is accurately represented and depicted, including getting his or her full approval of how I represent their words in the final piece. If they take exeption to anything I've written, or find something to be even the slightest bit inaccurate, we rewrite and do it all over again until we're in full agreement. There are at least two reasons for this.
First, words that are spoken are lost forever once the echoes of your voice fade away. Written words, in comparison, are a permament record and they read just as inaccurate and false the tenth time they're read as they did the first time you saw them.
Second, if I use you as a contributor, it is because I consider you to be an expert on the subject and your words - all of them - are critical to the accuracy of the piece, and if I can't be 100% accurate, why even write the article?
Third, making sure your input is spot on accurate ensures the accuracy and validity of what I am writing. That is the basis for my credibility, and credibility is VERY important to me since I plan to be doing this for a while, yet.
I didn't read the article. Nor do I know the author or am I familiar with any of his other work. So, what I say here should be taken with the understanding that I don't want to unfairly chastise the guy when I don't know him, don't know how he represented (or misrepresented) Steve's input, and that my comments are generalities rather than being specific to any one individual, but if you are really concerned with how the material was represented, yes, you need to let the editor know. Reader input is a sort of peer review process when it comes to this type of writing. You can't BS your way through predator hunters very long without them calling you out. And, if you deserve to be called out, so be it. In over 15 years writing, I've only had one, maybe two, instances where I was called out, and one of them was by phone call from a reader who didn't argue the method I offered to the reader. Instead, he was truly pissed that I'd written about what he thought was his exclusiove super secret technique and he was cussing me out ten ways to Sunday for telling the entire world. The other guy sent me an e-mail through T&PC and I contacted him directly to thank him for his input. I've learned to accept that at least fifty percent of my readers will disagree, to some extent, with what I write. I just don't think one of those in disagreement should be the guy I interviewed for the piece.
Sorry to hear that being part of an article was less than totally positive. When I use someone else's input, I want the experience to be nothing but positive and for the article to be something exciting that they share with their friends.
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Paul Melching
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posted February 24, 2011 02:55 PM
When I first saw this post I was going out to get a copy Thanks for saving me 3 bucks. Thats to bad Steve, they lost an opporrunity for a good article and screwed it up. I had gussed the author of the other article, now sit quietly for a while Leonard and this feeling wiil pass. I just started trapping this week so be expecting my aticle by oh maybe next week. I should know everything by then.after all I have caught one whole bobcat so far.
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4949shooter
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posted February 24, 2011 03:12 PM
So...should I ask what the background between Leonard and the author is?
Hyperwyx?
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Leonard
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posted February 24, 2011 05:42 PM
It's a long story, but it involves some chickenshit stuff he wrote about me on Predator Monsters and let Tom Turner take the blame. Then, my best friend, Rich Higgins stuck up for the little twit. and we aren't friends any more. Long time ago, but it went something like that. He and Nasa are the only two members banned on Huntmasters, twice.
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Jay Nistetter
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posted February 24, 2011 05:54 PM
No doubt HT is an expert. Just ask him.
He got after me because I'm an "oldtimer" and too lazy to get off the couch and go kill shit. Seemed to think that since I hadn't killed anything in the last couple weeks, then I should keep my mouth shut. Seemed real odd coming from the mouth of an educator mentored by the Great One.
Yep... HT is a piece of work. I'll give him that much. I think HT is also the guy that claims 90 yards is not too far to shoot coyotes with a shotgun. The one video he took of that feat never showed the guy jumping off the ladder and running like a jackrabbit to pump a second round into the victim.
Anyway... Now he's an expert on bobcats. My, my, my. I'm LMAO.
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Leonard
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posted February 25, 2011 09:07 AM
So Jay, "The Great One" that mentored Fruit Loops; is that who I think it is? Are you talking about Higgy? And, who coined that title? Not that I have a problem with it, of course.
The problem I have, is more of a smirk, I won't lose any sleep, but there is a few heros involved in predator hunting on the Internet, and now, in national publications.
Partial list of the usual suspects.
Byron South
Glenn Guess
Tony Tebbe
Scott Francom (also known as Fruit Loops)
Unknown
and Merry Berry
And, by the way. I would be included in Scott's advice to you, since I have not killed anything in weeks. Something is fucked up in this current millennium. I don't know about you, Jay? You "look" mature? I suppose you have been killing stuff for a decade or two, opposed to Fruit Loops' few months, possibly few seasons, right?
Well, sit your ass down, Mr graybeard. That don't mean shit, anymore! So, shut the fuck up! Move aside and let the current wave of 'net authorities take charge. Like Scott, who invented ladders. Quick, who comes to mind when you say, "Scott"? Not Huber, it's Fruit Loops! And, that's the problem.
So, where else could he go, if it is true that he has been banned from all the message boards? Actual print periodicals, right? Can you Google him, does he have a page on Wikipedia?
I can't keep up with this. I'm getting the Vapors! El Bee
Wait, he can't mouth off on Higgy's board either? That's weird?
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posted February 25, 2011 10:28 AM
"Quick, who comes to mind when you say, "Scott"? Not Huber, it's Fruit Loops! And, that's the problem."
I guess I run in the wrong circles, ya I know who he is but Scott Huber is the guy that makes you think and is the first "Scott" I think of when talk turns to coyote hunting.
You know I've heard a few of these "heros" during seminars or giving advice on the net and the one thing they're missing is knowledge. Oh they know how to kill coyotes but they're good for the "newbie" crowd, not the guy who's interested in the next level. They preach distress, numbers and _____ product, everyone of them. Cause that's where the money is.
Don't let him get to you ElBee, it's just the internet.
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Leonard
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posted February 25, 2011 11:08 AM
He won't get to me, once the vapors subside. Hey! !'d like to see THE BATTLE OF THE INTERNET SCOTTS! In the octagon, for all the marbles. Just to see who knows more shit.
Good hunting. El Bee
Also, sorry for not including you above.
edit: Jay, what the hell does HT mean?
[ February 25, 2011, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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posted February 25, 2011 11:13 AM
quote:
edit: Jay, what the hell does HT mean?
Lol I was wondering that myself.
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posted February 25, 2011 11:30 AM
Hot Tits, Higgins Tutor, Holy Teacher????
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posted February 25, 2011 12:02 PM
I have no idea who HT is, but I know C.U. quite well. C. U. stands for coyote ugly. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted February 25, 2011 02:00 PM
Just too much code. HT? Maybe it means HigginTaught? Half Taught? Hollygirly Tatersalad? Some play on Hyperworks with a T?
Damn it Jay! Whatever it is, it better be good. What's so wrong with Fruit Loops, anyway?
JAY!
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Jay Nistetter
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posted February 27, 2011 07:34 AM
Leonard,
Been out of town not shooting shit.
I thought everyone knew who HT was, but then fruitloops is a new one on me.
HT is none other than HyperTwat. One of
Rich's Bitches. That moniker stuck quite some time ago. Thought everyone knew that.
I'm hurt that I didn't make the Internet Hero List.
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2011 08:33 AM
HyperTwat? Well, it fits, I'll say that. But this guy is big enough for more than one nick. Feel free to use Fruit Loops if you want and I will work HyperTwat into my vocabulary.
Glad you showed up. Where were you that there wasn't Internet, not hunting? 0BTW, did I mention that it cost me $17.95 per day to get online in Hawaii? That's criminal, only peeps like Jay can afford those prices.
Good hunting. LB
edit: we can put it to a vote, see if they think you deserve to be on the Hero List? I'd say you have a fair chance. But, I don't want to queer your chances.
edit: Hey, did everybody know that Jay is a damned "CONGLOMERATE"? He makes and markets all kinds of neat stuff that callers want.
edit: and did I say thank you? Okay, Thank You. He's a clever boy, has some slick merchandise. Buy his stuff.
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posted February 27, 2011 01:39 PM
I hear you on the internet charges. Too pricey for me to just check email and delete crap.
I wasn't in Hawaii this time but close if you like freezing to death north of KC. Was attending a BD party.
The last 2 trips didn't involve any hunting but the one in 3 weeks requires a hunting license. Hopefully I'll manage more than one hero shot to share in order to appease Fruit Loops. I think I'm getting the hang of this.
Thanks for the plug. I'll send some neat squeaky things your way. Or did I do that already? Hmmm.
I figure it'll take selling between 3 and 4 thousand of those things to pay for a trip back to the Islands and afford Internet while basking in the sun. I'm cured of snorkeling. Last time had a 7-9 foot Tiger Shark swim 20 feet below us. Out swam the wife on that one. She wasn't happy after I told her I just needed to swim faster the her. I thought it was funny at the time... You know how it goes.
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posted February 27, 2011 01:40 PM
BTW, the moniker you put under my name makes me laugh every time.
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2011 02:33 PM
Yeah, well it just made me laugh because it made you laugh.
(what makes you think I did it?)
I feel the same about tiger sharks in Hawaii. And, then I recall treading water a half mile from shore, body surfing. You need fins or you will never get a ride. In retrospect, it was extremely stupid, but what a fucking ride! I was out there all day. Way better than our CA surf that drops your nose right in the sand.
But, you're right. Good advice. Swim with a friend that you know you can out swim.
Good hunting. LB
edit: PS, when you go, forget free WiFi at Starbucks.
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posted March 02, 2011 08:42 PM
Leonard,
I've got a copy of the rag in question, do you want me to forward it, as per usual?
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