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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted July 23, 2023 12:01 PM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
I get a few actual published gun magazines.

I get annoyed by the ones featuring the various new handguns, mostly by knowing that I will likely never see any of them in The People's Republik. One day, our process of testing the safety of new handguns will be thrown out by the Supreme Court. However, I'm not holding my breath while I wait for justice.

In the meantime, I will have to make due with what I got, can't hardly incapacitate, let alone kill an assailant.

But, what really frosts my ass this morning, (rather late morning, I notice) is how inadequate are /is my long guns. Exactly none of them are threaded on the barrel for one of those over priced status symbols. I can hardly show my face, in public!

Not only do I not own a single silencer, or more correctly, a "suppresser". but I don't even own a chassis bedded rifle, mine are all accurized with the old fashioned stuff, do they even sell such primitive do it yourself kits any more?

And I'm ashamed to admit that I don't own a single Creedmore or 7.62NATO; but I do have something chambered in 5.56mm, stacked way in the back. I'm pretty sure that it's still there, haven't checked since I retired?

I don't even own a single "carbon fiber wrapped barrel". All my barrels are embarrassingly heavy and hardly any of them have a Picatinny thing mounted on the receiver or anywhere else and that again is shameful to admit.

I probably can't hit what I'm aiming at with my collection of obsolete, and previously expensive optics; although nowadays, I could hardly give them away. The situation is worse than owning an obsolete and illegal gas stove. These previously accurate, but now laughable, long guns are suspected that they couldn't hit a 1,000 yard gong, so they are all practically worthless!

I'd set the whole mess out on the curb, after dark, (to avoid embarrassment), you know, on trash day. But then again, I can't afford what's for sale these days. every damned one of them costs at least $3500!

Oh and I'm NOT saving up for a Korth, an ugly fucking revolver I just read about that costs something like $5500 and change. But, the thing is, they are made by just one gunsmith, which runs contrary to assembly line theory invented by Henry Ford, with some success. Or, for that matter, I should pound flat my Springfield Arsenal .45 and get a supercool Wilson for only 2.5 times more. Or Nighthawk?

I'm a fossil, out of step with the modern world. I can't even install a fucking APP! Excuse me ko ko, I know that you are in the same boat, figuratively speaking.

But, let's face it. Affording firearms these days is beyond the reach of ordinary working folk.

And, have you noticed that nobody handloads anymore? That's for hayseeds. Instead, by ultra premium super accurate factory ammunition with lofty names like Summit, or Terminal Ascent. Rolling your own is for chumps, these days. Handloading has gone out of style. Sadly. Raise your hand; who out there still reloads?

Prolly best, 'cause you might likely blow up a $3500 minute of angle rifle.

(yawn) end of rant!

Good hunting. El Bee

To sum it up, quit reading publications delivered to your mail box! As they keep telling me about saving the clutter-go paperless!

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EL BEE Knows It All and Done It All.
Don't piss me off!

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Kokopelli
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Icon 1 posted July 24, 2023 03:20 AM      Profile for Kokopelli   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
What the publications, gun or bow, don't and never will mention is that after a bit of fine tuning any decent gun or bow is likely capable of better accuracy than the average shooter.
Unless a person has dreams of competing on a National level, at what point does a rifle become nothing more than an overpriced status symbol ?? 1/2 m.o.a. ?? 1/4 m.o.a. ?? cloverleafs ??
Personally, I think that the extra time & treasure would be better spent on the shooting line with a good coach working on perfecting basic form.

End of rant responding to rant.

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted July 24, 2023 05:13 PM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
Well, anybody can learn the mechanics, breath control, watching the wind, knowing where to hold a rifle and where not to. But after that, knowing what makes a good trigger and how to make it better.

We will not mention the skills in accuracy handloading, how to prep and or process and grade your brass, all those things can be incremental, but they do add up. Choosing the correct components is another skill, consistently uniform cases and grading them for volume or just by weighing them and assuming the interior capacity is as close to identical as your grading can make it.

After all of this attention to detail, it comes down to an accurate barrel. Barrels are not equal, buy the best you can afford and it still requires a spot of luck. Some barrels are just accurate, and some you can get a little more velocity and some, while staying within your pressures, they just aren't as fast as another that seems identical.

What this all means, for me, is that I faithfully watch my primers. Slightly flattened and maybe a little cratering is okay. This all depends on your grading, whatever method you depend on, so that the internal volume is as close as you can estimate and all things being equal, all your primers are consistent. After that you should expect your velocities to be as close as possible, when shooting through screens. That part is up to you, the individual shooter, but much of it is within your ability to control the variables.

When I go on a hunt, my cartridges will perform as expected. It's due to the diligence and effort I put into my loading technique. I always like a sighter, just to satisfy me, no matter the temperature and elevation. All my bench and range work is done about 2000 foot elevation and a good part of my hunting is around 4,000/4,500 ft elevation. So the zero needs to be corrected.

All I can say is that it builds confidence in your ability to make the shot when you take care of the details, sorta like doing your homework.

Good hunting. El Bee

PS I will never understand how a man can buy a couple boxes of super accurate ammo, or premium ammo or "match" ammo and now you don't know a damned thing about what to expect, or maybe after blowing off half of your box. You know the lot numbers will never be seen again.

Man, I just don't know about using any damned factory ammo! And they get a friggin' ARM AND A LEG FOR IT! That's just me, I've always loaded my own, almost all of my rifles have never seen a factory round. That's where I'm at. I think everybody that hunts should be handloading.

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Az-Hunter
Hi, I'm Vic WELCOME TO THE U.S. Free baloney sandwiches here
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Icon 1 posted July 24, 2023 08:04 PM      Profile for Az-Hunter           Edit/Delete Post 
Interesting the detail or lack of it, that different shooters have when it comes to shooting/hunting.
Ive never been in the obsessive category, my methods would no doubt seem haphazard to you Leonard. I stick with just a few time tested powders, W748, AA1680 and H414 for all my rifle needs. Handgun powder is VV320, and WST.Federal primers to make everything go bang.
About the only thing I worry over concerning brass is keeping it trimmed to length. Never have cleaned primer pockets, weighed brass, check volume with water, actually nothing more than trim.
All my keeper rifles, when I had a safe full, all seemed to be consistent 1/2" to 3/4" shooters, which seemed pretty fair to me? Some had exceptional accuracy, believe it or not, the most accurate 100 yard grouper was a CZ 527 .22 Hornet.
Handgun ammunition Im even less concerned about, look it over after shooting for crack, and run it thru the tumbler to clean it up. They all use Federal primers and only my competition revolver uses one brand of brass, Starline, which is consistent in fit to the moon clips I use for a S&W M627 8 shot revolver.

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted July 25, 2023 08:33 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
Okay, Victor! As it happens, I use quite a bit of H414 myself. Try finding it, these days. I also use W760 which I've been told, is the same thing? IDK?

I also use a lot of H4831 and 4350. I use a lot of Unique in 357. 1680? I only had one use for it but gave away that Chinese military rifle, SKS? forget what it's called?

I also use Federal primers virtually exclusively except for 300Mag and I use Winchester LR primers in that gun.

The weighing and other assorted "sorting" is an attempt to estimate the internal capacity as best I can and that shit derives from dabbling in Bench Rest. But, quite a bit of the bench techniques can be applied to predators and ground squirrels which are similar, except the case capacities are a lot higher and so is the velocities. But the lessons are valid.

I almost never worry about split necks but I am very careful about trimming to length. With 40 degree shoulders, you have very little of that. The worst I have are 220Swift and 270W which both need neck trimming.

I admit to being anal about first uniforming the primer pockets and thereafter, cleaning. Of course, I always debur the interior flash holes for consistent ignition.

As far as Starline brass, I am a recent convert. I used to avoid it like the plague until I bought some in desperation. I agree, it's excellent, but I have only used it in 44Special and 44Magnum....so far.

Rifle brass, I like Lapua when I can get it. I (not long ago) bought some Nosler 300WM brass and it is fabulous, every bit as good and near as I can tell, it's better than Lapua. I do not like Federal brass and am lukewarm on Remington so I usually prefer WW.

As far as primers, I admit to scarfing up CCI in other than Federal 210Match. I also have 5000 Remington 9 1/2 that will gather dust unless I can't get the Federals. There's nothing wrong with Remington primers, I just prefer the Federal Match 210's when I can get them. Frankly, I'm set for life.

Good hunting. El Bee

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Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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Icon 1 posted July 28, 2023 06:10 PM      Profile for TA17Rem   Email TA17Rem         Edit/Delete Post 
Primers I have a little bit of everything for rifle. Not so much with large rifle primers and loads but the smaller cases like say 17 rem. for example, a different brand of primer or type can shrink or increase a group size so I try them all see what works with the type of powder I use and I weigh my charges in smaller cases. The big case like 22-250 you can be off a grain of powder and it don't make much difference so I just use a powder dipper.

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