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Dave Allen
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posted April 07, 2013 08:36 AM
I'm pretty sure, I'm not alone in saying. I hate trimming brass !
I admit that, I'm not good at it, and never can get my trimmer adjustments set correctly. I don't worry about it too much, and wonder if it's really necessary.
Might have to get a few of those plug inserts and take some measurements. Although, because of my OCD nature, it would be kinda nice to have everything measure the same. I think ?
[ April 07, 2013, 08:37 AM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
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the bearhunter
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posted April 07, 2013 09:45 AM
worst part of reloading. when its time to trim, i'll sit in front of the tv with a small table and spend a couple hours at a crack.
than all the chamfering/deburring
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TA17Rem
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posted April 07, 2013 09:56 AM
Don't like doing it much either but IMO its got to be done. Its not to bad as long as the cutter is sharp and the shaft is lubed.. One of the nice things about have a ackley cartridge or cartridges that are simular, a whole lot less trimming required...
Just trim some to speck and leave some long and then go out and shoot them and see what the target says...
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Dave Allen
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posted April 07, 2013 10:14 AM
Yeah, I've always just got 'em good enough and never had issues. So I guess, I just answered my own question.
Oh' well, just bored on a rainy/windy day.
Yawn...
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TA17Rem
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posted April 07, 2013 11:09 AM
What you useing for a trimmer Dave? Hand crank or power tool on the handle?
Usually when I have a down day or nothing to do I will grab a box of brass or two and get them trimmed ahead of time, does'nt seem like its much of a hassle vrs. waiting to do it at the last minute..
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Dave Allen
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posted April 07, 2013 11:16 AM
Tim,
I have a Redding not sure of the model ? hand-crank type. Bought about 9-10 years ago ?
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Leonard
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posted April 07, 2013 11:16 AM
Product of a dull mind, I consider working brass good therapy. Repetitive, time for reflective thought, maybe once in a while sit in front of the boob tube and process a hundred cases.
TA is correct, an Ackley design just about eliminates trimming to length, just a little chamfering and get to charging and seating.
Contrary to some folks, I like a clean primer pocket. I don't give a shit about all those guys that GO TO THE TROUBLE to prove that cleaning pockets does no good. Who the fuck are they trying to convince? Ugly residue in primer pockets helps accuracy, maybe? Waste of time arguing against it, for us anal types, it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU SHOOT 25'06, 270W, OR MAYBE 220SWIFT, YOU BETTER PAY ATTENTION TO OVERALL LENGTH. If you have a 223; who the fuck cares anyway?
Let's see what it costs to get into 17 caliber? dies? special funnels, maybe a K&M chamfering tool, bore brushes and tiny tinney patches and especially dedicated cleaning rods. I could buy a Shamrock Shake every day for a month for what that shit costs.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: oh, another thing. How do they justify charging MORE for 17 jags and rods? Those seventeen guys are hooked, will pay anything, go to any length just to be undergunned on coyotes. Oh yeah forgot/you never lose a cripple with a 17, impossible, against the law of physics.
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TA17Rem
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posted April 07, 2013 11:30 AM
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Let's see what it costs to get into 17 caliber? dies? special funnels, maybe a K&M chamfering tool, bore brushes and tiny tinney patches and especially dedicated cleaning rods. I could buy a Shamrock Shake every day for a month for what that shit costs.
Its not that spendy or anymore than going with a new gun with a different cal.. Should of gotten into them before all the prices jumped..LOL
I use the same chamfering tool for my 17 cal.s as what I use for the others. (VLD chamfering tool), I have two sizes of patches and use both sizes in both cal. I shoot (17,20, and .224).. I also use the same bore guide on my Remmy actions.
About the only thing extra would be the cleaning rod,jags,and brushes...
By the way what did you get at the gun show you attended????????????
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posted April 07, 2013 11:40 AM
handguns
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TA17Rem
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posted April 07, 2013 11:40 AM
17 cal. jags 3.99
nylon brush 2.99
The jag will last a long time, depending on how much you shoot and what you clean with you need to stock up on brushes, most cases they only last one cleaning session but have been useing a 20 cal brush in the bore when its worn down to much for the 20 cal... I look at it this way, instead of spending 1400.00 on a scope I just buy one in the 500-800.00 range and apply what I just saved for cleaning or reloading products. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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TA17Rem
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posted April 07, 2013 11:42 AM
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handguns
Really! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
You need help..JK
Any XP-100's???
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posted April 07, 2013 12:11 PM
I just fire formed a hundred rounds of Lapua 243ai and a hundred rounds of Lapua 22-250ai brass. Got the 243 brass primed and ready but haven't started on the 250 yet. I have to work brass when I'm in the mood but I hate trimming, probably the biggest reason for AI-ing for me.
I clean primer pockets too, can't see how anyone can leave em dirty.
Anyway, I try to prep and prime all my cases after I shoot them. Doing 10-15 rounds isn't as big a burden and when I get ready to load, it's all done.
Of course coming home from the range with several hundred machine gun cases, all bets are off.
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posted April 07, 2013 12:15 PM
Do you clean primer pockets? uuuhhhh, do you wipe your butt?
Until the price of brass went thru the roof I usually let my fired 9mm brass lay because it was so cheap to replace. Now I pick up what I see w/o getting down on my hands & knees to find it.
As for my revolver brass, I pay more attention because of the OAL & crimping and the fact it doesn't fly everywhere when fired.
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posted April 07, 2013 12:47 PM
Im new at this thing they call reloading my self. and not so good at it my self. I have the lyman trimer and had such a hard time with it. Well I got it set and it took a bit not that it was that hard.But it was hard to pull it out of the brass. I got to the point where I was about to throw the thing in the creek.I had to adjust it over and over. I got to the point I was thinking about giving it to some one I hated.I was working on 500 brass.I got it done but had no fun doing it.
I took that pilot and buffed it up real good with with the dremal tool.So now it does not hang up in the case mouth.
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TOM64
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posted April 07, 2013 12:55 PM
If I was rich, a Giraud would come in handy.
http://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm
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posted April 07, 2013 01:15 PM
CT, you might try mounting your trimmer on a board. I use a 2x8 & use a couple of "C" clamps to secure it to my bench while trimming. Another thing i do is remove the cranking handle & mount a cordless drill, using it at slow speeds to trim a pile of brass, it will speed up the process.
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posted April 07, 2013 02:55 PM
good idea on the drill PP. will have to try that.
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posted April 07, 2013 04:45 PM
Unless I'm forming cases that absolutely require trimming as part of the forming operation, I usually trim once after the first firing. Then never again after that.
I measure all my chambers so I know what I have to work with. Have never in my entire shooting career had cases for a factory chamber grow long enough to worry about. Depending on you own loading habits, YMMV greatly though...
Some rifles, like my .17P, never trimmed any of them at all, not even once, and don't ever intend to.
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posted April 07, 2013 05:39 PM
"Depending on your own loading habits"
DAA, that about tells the story. Along with the fact that AI'ing a factory barrel usually results in a tight headspace, if done correctly. And let's not forget that neck sizing is almost as common these days as reloading itself is.
The majority of my case trimming goes to straight wall handgun cases that require a good roll crimp for consistent ignition & prevention of bullet walk due to recoil.
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posted April 07, 2013 06:44 PM
No man my lyman case trimmers not on a block of wood yet but will be. I have seen guys use a drill on You Tube.Not so sure my handle will come off my lathe not so sure I want to try and take it off.I think lyman sales the shaft for the drill as an extra.
I have the Lyman deburing tool and the 2500 tumbler and use the crushed wallnuts from the pet store. And its not so much that Im a lyman guy its just what they had on the shelf. I do find that deburring to be handy. The tumbler not so bad I mean atleast it dont bouce all over the floor.
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posted April 07, 2013 07:12 PM
Dave I cant seam to cut the brass as well as I would like.But my lathe is cutting better now. I have been triming 223 and looking for 1.750 was geting 1.749 1.751 to 1.750. I now get 1.749 to 1.750 most of the time. I have blown the after noon adjusting the lathe just a hair at a time trying to get it perfect. Not so sure I got that OCD thing or not but i do face the products at wall part from time to time and hell I dont even work there.
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TA17Rem
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posted April 07, 2013 07:27 PM
Can't speak for all case trimmers but some of them have the collet which holds the case head when you tighten it down (screws in). I've found that not all brass is exactly the same dia. around the head of the case so when you screw the tightener in for the collet to grab a case that is a little smaller in dia. will seat out farther, thus get trimmed shorter and a case on the fatter side will get trimmed less than the avr. size case. This maybe the reason for the var. in lengths when you trim... Don't worry about it if you are just shooting coyotes.
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posted April 07, 2013 07:29 PM
Not so sure what I want for overall length.I will be loading 223 Rem savage 12 varmint.I get the OAL is 2.260.
I took one brass and cut two slits in it put in a bullet and put it in the chamber. I did all this nice and eazy. And not just three times but nine times.I came up with something like 2.271.
Seams a bit long but I have some factory that is 2.262 2.263 2.264.
so how do you guys figure out how to get close to the rifleing or mesure.
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posted April 07, 2013 07:31 PM
TA I get what your saying.
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TA17Rem
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posted April 07, 2013 08:12 PM
For finding or measureing O.A.L. some guys use a steel rod and take abunch of measurements. I just use a Stoney point guage and dummy case. You can get it from Cabala's...
A reloading manual will also talk you through the steps on how to do it by just makeing up a dummy round and smokeing the bullet or covering it with machinest blue.
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