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Leonard
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Icon 4 posted November 13, 2015 09:39 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
Well, first of all, I do not need one, it just intrigues me, a lot.

I have not been on a quest, just casually asking around at various gunshops, and getting, (I might add) conflicting information.

Everybody so far has been telling me that model isn't approved in The People's Republik. Everybody except the place I checked last night. He said availability was eight and he could have it by Tuesday, with half down?

The price was (I think) about $1205 and tax exc. came to about $1325? I don't remember exact?

So, help me out here. Talk me out of it! That's a serious chunk of dough for a pocket size revolver, no matter how "cutting edge" it may be? It's time to put up or shut up.

I want to hear from anybody with an opinion, including the Okie boys, Tom and Mike plus Victor. Anybody, but, those guys for sure.

I was caught off guard by the barrel length question, I said 2 inch but there is a 5" model available that I didn't know existed. Seems to me, for my purpose the 2" would do nicely, but offer me reasons for choosing the 5 " version.

Okay, thanks, folks.

Good hunting. El Bee

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Icon 1 posted November 13, 2015 10:43 AM      Profile for TOM64           Edit/Delete Post 
I'm pretty sure that is the model Mikey has been contemplating, probably with a 2" barrel. I think the 5" makes more sense due to the huge cylinder. It's too big to conceal so why not go for performance?

One thing, those light weights are tough to shoot with most real loads. But as long as you're interested, go for it.

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Icon 1 posted November 13, 2015 12:29 PM      Profile for Az-Hunter           Edit/Delete Post 
Not my place to "talk you out" of a handgun purchase your contemplating. There is something about it you must be attracted to, or you wouldn't have the urge?
If you ask my casual opinion about it, I can do that. Number one, it is far from what I would call a "pocket revolver", it's a large frame, eight shot revolver with a stubby little barrel, and to my eye, not attractive at all.
It is also a new generation S&W, has no firing pin fixed on the nose of the hammer, they utilize an internal firing pin, which requires more moving parts. This, to my mind begins to null the benefits and simplicity of what I like about revolvers. Ive not found the new generation of S&W revolvers to have DA trigger pulls as smooth and nice as the older generation, important to me, but maybe a non issue to others.
As mentioned, the light weight will have it's draw backs; that revolver, even having the large frame, will be a handful of gun with heavy 357 loads, all of which is maybe of no consequence to you if recoil is no biggie?
What grabbed you about the 327, I thought you picked up a little S&W auto to pack around for a pocket pistol, did you fall out of love with it?

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Icon 1 posted November 13, 2015 01:53 PM      Profile for TOM64           Edit/Delete Post 
I've bought a couple of 642's with no lock and no external hammer in 38+p that are more what I call pocket pistols.

Also seen a few 640-1's that are SS 357 magnums with no lock or hammer. Seems a few police trade ins can be found if that interests you but they are heavy.

If you want a light pocket pistol in 357, check out the 340pd but it is a handful to shoot.

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted November 13, 2015 04:12 PM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it. Remember, once a few years ago I said I was thinking of a Beretta 92. You kinda stopped me cold with a one word reply: WHY?

Anyway, I have not seen anything more that an illustration, and it's hard to tell how big it is?

Truthfully, the part that I find interesting is the eight shot cylinder. Other than that, it doesn't look "all that" attractive, has kind of a ray gun look to it. Oh, another thing is being the first kid on the block, and I suspect it would attract attention at the range?

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: as far as the hammer/firing pin arrangement, Ruger figured that out a long time ago, of which I have a couple and I don't wish I had the S&W hammer instead.

I'm already several degrees cooled off based on the above comments.

[ November 13, 2015, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

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Icon 1 posted November 13, 2015 08:33 PM      Profile for Kokopelli   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
What's the critter good for ????
You can't carry concealed in `that place` where you live and it doesn't sound like something you would use for hunting.
That leaves home defense.
To me, home defense means a shotgun and /or a BIG handgun.
$0.02 Worth;
Save your money & spend it on ammo.

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Icon 1 posted November 13, 2015 10:56 PM      Profile for Prune Picker   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
Ever since S&W discontinued the K frame revolvers I have been looking for a suitable replacement for everyday carry or at least every time I choose to carry a handgun. I decided a 20oz 8 shot 38spl/357 M327 would work, I'd rather it had a 3" bl. without the stupid lock but I could live with it as offered. The suggested list price is insane! But it is a Performance Center custom revolver, allegedly hand made or at least assembled buy a gunsmith vs mass produced by a common laborer. I haven't handled or even seen one yet but looked at the 5" barreled M&P R-8 same gun different barrel length & model number ( i didn't buy it ). Regardless, everyone's reason not to buy one is solid advise, it isn't a classic S&W, but it is a 8 shot 357 magnum that weighs 20 oz. & will fit into my back pocket. Maybe, hopefully, smith will dump the worthless lock but the frame mounted firing pin is here to stay according to customer
service ( less time & skill required to fit the hammer ).

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted November 14, 2015 10:23 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
Okay, didn't know about the "stupid" lock. That is points against.

Suggested list price insane! More points against.

Frame mounted firing pin? At best, neutral.

Seems like the couple things that attracted my attention in the first place, Scandia light weight frame, and EIGHT shots are the only points in favor, at this point.

It's looking less interesting than before, when I thought they were banned in The Land Of The Fruits And The Nuts. Now, where the rubber meets the road and I have to pony up $650 just to see that they look like, (an amount that would buy a spanking new Sig., I'm coming down with a severe case of common sense.

Maybe the price will adjust, if they can't sell them?

Good hunting. El Bee

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Icon 1 posted November 14, 2015 11:17 AM      Profile for TOM64           Edit/Delete Post 
I just walked out of the big Tulsa gun show and if you think retail prices are insane, you should see what they want for used collectible junk. That place is insane!
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Icon 1 posted November 14, 2015 12:16 PM      Profile for 4949shooter   Email 4949shooter         Edit/Delete Post 
My 629 has the lock.

I have never touched it, and have completely forgotten about it until it gets mentioned on internet forums.

My 629 has had a fair amount of full power 44 magnum ammo through it. Never a problem.

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Icon 1 posted November 14, 2015 01:14 PM      Profile for Prune Picker   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
Out west in California the gun laws would be laughable IF the rat bastard law makers weren't serious about an outright ban of all firearms. I remember the moment I became aware that S&W (and other manufacturers) were "offering" an optional internal lock, it was more of a dry heaves sick feeling vs an ooops wet fart incident but none the less I was left with a less than fresh feeling that the enemy was making progress. Moving forward, I have no use for a lock of any kind on any and all firearms period, & I can enforce my personal embargo on all guns equipped with a lock , not because I'm royalty but where I live allows me to. The way I see it LB, Mark & others are forced to play cards with a stacked deck, toss in the newest great total lead ban & ya'll are basically Fukked because of your desire to own a firearm & gawd forbid ... Like to hunt. Excuse me, dry heaves again . Options are limited but a nice handgun that is legal to possess requires a bit of give and take. I recently saw ( online ) a pile of police trade in S&W M-10's ( 38 spl 6 shot blued 3" & 4" bl ) for ~ 375$ , problem is " no sales to Calif ". Makes me want to scream, holler & throw a foaming from the mouth fit OR play their shitty game & have a kilifornie legal gun !!!! Which will still piss em off

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Icon 1 posted November 14, 2015 01:34 PM      Profile for Prune Picker   Author's Homepage           Edit/Delete Post 
49, the lock is what it is, a concession. we all know it & like it or not it allows you to legally possess it or them & use it for whatever reason you desire. I'm glad it's not a deal breaker for you.

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Icon 1 posted November 14, 2015 02:56 PM      Profile for 4949shooter   Email 4949shooter         Edit/Delete Post 
PP, yeah, I just ordered a 629 from my FFL without ever having given the lock a second thought. I guess I could have tried to find one used without the lock, but I was looking for a new gun and not a used one.

I wish it didn't have the lock. That was Smith and Wesson's concession and not mine. However, it doesn't bother me in the least and like I said I don't even think about it until these conversations come up.

My 629 is still a kick azz piece if hardware though, lock and all.

But I get your point and agree the lock is an unnecessary concession.

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Icon 1 posted November 15, 2015 07:04 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
You know, I always thought a revolver, 100+ years old technology, was sort of a clean design. Why would some ignorant, limp dicked Liberal decide a Model #629 needed a damned safety?

So, my question is, is the safety passive? Can you ignore it and choose not to engage, or is it automatic and you must take the time to release it? Is next step a "smart 629"? Oh boy the anti's have a spontaneous ejackulation just thinking about it!

My little Seecamp is the Kalifornia compliant model with a safety. I actually like it, to tell the truth. I like it for carrying it in a pocket. I don't like it if I would need to employ it quickly.

Good hunting. El Bee

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Icon 1 posted November 15, 2015 10:19 AM      Profile for TOM64           Edit/Delete Post 
The lock is really not a safety just a keyed lock to render it useless. Several years ago S&W was bought out by a company who tried to sell the lock technology, no one was buying so they bought S&W.

The lock can be ignored but there have been several reports of it self engaging due to recoil. One of the most credible was a gun writer who defended the lock and S&W, bought a 329, a scandium 44 mag and while raving about his new ultimate back country bear protection, it locked on him.

Very few reports of it engaging on steel guns but it can be swapped out for a "plug" or the little tit inside can be filed off so it doesn't work at all.

My little 44 on the right a 629 mountain gun, the 640-1 357 next to it, then the 642 38 +p, the black one is a 43c in 22lr that I carry when I run.
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Icon 1 posted November 15, 2015 10:38 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
There's another thing I didn't know? The 327 is chambered in 44Mag? I have been considering a 357.

Oh well, I don't think I'm getting it, regardless.

Good hunting. El Bee

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No a 329 is what I wrote about, it's a scandium 44 mag.
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just caught on. I thought you were considering 327 mag.

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Icon 1 posted November 15, 2015 05:43 PM      Profile for 4949shooter   Email 4949shooter         Edit/Delete Post 
I am not surprised the lock engaged inadvertently on a scandium 44 magnum handgun (329) and full power magnum ammo. Which gun writer Tom?

No issues with the 629.

Leonard, S&W supplies a wrench with the gun to activate / deactivate the lock. Not that you would need it. I think I still have the wrench that came with mine.

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Nice mt. gun Tom...brought back memories. I bought one when they first came out. Had a ball and detent crane lock installed, soft bead blasted the whole revolver, had the action tuned by a guy that really knew how to do it, and bobbed the hammer. That was the most accurate, easy to pack and shoot .44 I ever had....there's that ugly word "had", sucks to be a gun whore sometimes?
If guy shops around on forums, you can still pick up real nice S&Ws, without locks, frame mounted firing pins, bad finishes and horrible actions; all for about half the price of that thing Leonard was looking at.

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El Bee;
Since you're a man of wealth, distinction and position,............ Why not just get a Colt Python if you want a wheel gun ???

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Icon 1 posted November 16, 2015 03:56 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
A man of wealth? That's a foul joke, Sir!

There are many to choose from; a Python is hardly affordable.

On my budget, it's not surprising that I have Ruger's, instead. 357 and 44.

So, it's a "thing" now? I am suitably shamed.

Good hunting. El Bee

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Ive never understood the Python allure? When it comes to trigger pull and action, the Python won't make a pimple on a nice S&Ws ass? Much slower and cumbersome to reload with the ass backwards cylinder release latch, even the cylinder turns the wrong way....don't know what Colt was thinking?

Although I wish I had a half dozen tucked away, I could make a tidy fortune.

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Icon 1 posted November 16, 2015 11:54 AM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
Vic, that's exactly what I think of Colts, in general. Including the backward stuff. Including how overpriced they have always been. I have never pined over Colts, except the 45's, I am quite fond of my Combat Commander.

Anyway, I agree completely. You are smarter than you look!
(just kidding)

Good hunting. El Bee

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