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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 15, 2015 06:57 AM
So, we've been experimenting with ladders to fill a void. We have lots of flat dense terrain in southern AZ. If you squat down , you can't see shit, but if your elevated, the world opens to you.. Hopefully, this will bring a few more bobcats at the end of the season.
My buddy built this 6 foot aluminum ladder. We worked with it yesterday and we concluded it's too tall and too loud. My version will be a fiberglass 5 foot which may be the cats meow. Just may use for the competition on the 24th..
For those that have done it all, did you like ladders?
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DAA
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posted January 15, 2015 07:15 AM
I have never messed with one at all. Have thought about it - there are some places I think I could make it work, but never too seriously.
Only posting to say there used to be a guy on the boards years ago from AZ, Michael J. McCasland. He was a ladder guy. Wrote a lot of posts about it. As I recall, he was sold on wood, over fiberglass or aluminum?
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Leonard
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posted January 15, 2015 08:27 AM
Yes, and don't call him, Mike. His partner, Bill Rice is actually the ladder Guru. But, anyway.
My ladder is wood and painted black. I Gorilla glued ALL the joints and pivots and it is as solid as possible, without outriggers.
The problem is hauling it in and out, and of course, carrying it. Those are minor problems, once you open it up in sandy soil. Just make sure it's solid before climbing.
Two schools of thought. One is to sit on the top with feet supported on the next lower step.
The other is to just go up a couple steps and rest your arms and lean over the top, which will maybe limit visibility, but it's a hell of a lot steadier, (for shooting) and safer, (for falling)
I can say this much. A ladder is great for special applications, like endless Creosote Forest. The rest of the time, it's really a pain in the ass finding room in the truck. Maybe not, if you have an open bed?
Now, my old buddy, Rob Krause built a rig on the back bumper and tailgate of a Forerunner and traveled with it in the upright position, (not open, of course) and that way, it was the first thing set aside, while dragging the rest of the gear out of the back.
I'm sure an inventive person can come up with things to make it more better, as they say in the southwest. Now, two ladders are just stupid difficult.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Kokopelli
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posted January 15, 2015 08:54 AM
Don't use 'em myself, but somewhere I've seen a camoed up aluminum ladder that had been filled in with Great Stuff foam filler to deaden the sound.
Not sure how well it worked, but it shouldn't add much weight.
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Leonard
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posted January 15, 2015 09:06 AM
Now, I'm starting to worry about you! That's YOUR ladder, and it's right where you left it, on stand, last month!
Good hunting. El Bee
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 15, 2015 09:54 AM
I'm surprised no commented on the Lazy Susan!
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Leonard
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posted January 15, 2015 11:24 AM
Oh, I saw it. But, you didn't either, so?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Lone Howl
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posted January 15, 2015 11:36 AM
Some guys have built tripods and lug those around. Ive used a ladder and it does help (a lot) in those certain areas, but man...what a pain to carry in if your going very far. So much so for me that I probly wont bother anymore. I saw a guy last year over by the 395/178 area that had a wood ladder with a wheel attachment on the bottom, and some sort of rope/harness that he pulled it with while walking in. Dont know how well that would work, but looked viable.
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DAA
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posted January 15, 2015 11:47 AM
Say the turn table too but thought that's SOP for a ladder and not unusual?
Leonard, 10-4 on "Mike"! Called him that once, meant no harm, acted like I'd gone out of my way to personally insult not only him, but his mother!
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Kokopelli
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posted January 15, 2015 02:08 PM
For what it's worth..........Like I said, I don't use 'em;
`If` you're using a ladder on established stand locations, why not use cheap ladders & leave them in place? Maybe use a couple of cable stakes (trapper lingo) to keep them from blowing away.
Check with your local recycling lot for serviceable ladders for the price of scrap metal. The lot that I worked at had them coming in regularly.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 15, 2015 03:03 PM
DAA, thanks for the feedback on wood..good call.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 15, 2015 03:05 PM
Just for the record, I shot that coyote.. The lazy Susan worked quite well.. Came from extreme left
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Leonard
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posted January 15, 2015 04:03 PM
I'll say this; that photo shows a great spot for a ladder stand.
But, swivel chairs are probably not necessary, and they could be a little risky. Just sitting on the top, you know where every ladder sold in the last thirty years prints in large letters, NOT A STEP. And, for sure not a seat. I'm for standing half way up and leaning against the top step.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS that dog charging from the extreme left. I assume a shotgun? That's how Higgins fell off, twisted to point a shotgun at a coyote. Lucky he didn't break a leg, but he did get hurt.
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jimanaz
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posted January 15, 2015 05:20 PM
This is how I rolled.
They make a lot of uncallable spots callable.
I killed a bunch of coyotes from a ladder, but mostly I used a rifle.
Here's one way I used to carry mine.
They work. It's a good tool in flat, thick country. Be careful. Falling over is no fun.
These day, I carry one of these instead. Much easier to pack, and I'm gonna say just about as effective for coyotes. Cats, foxes, and such, not so much.
That should cover my hero pictures for a while.
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Prune Picker
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posted January 15, 2015 06:07 PM
Not trying to be toooooo "Kleaver" but is using a ladder legal to hunt on in Az or in a coyote contest?
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jimanaz
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posted January 15, 2015 06:13 PM
If it wasn't, I sure as hell wouldn't have hung myself out to dry here. I dunno, maybe the laws have changed since I gave the elevated game up.
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posted January 15, 2015 06:28 PM
Jim, to me it's a great idea, but I would be inclined to look towards one of the newish "gorilla" humped or upside down U shaped ladders that the infomercials run over and over on late nite cable. They are claimed to be more stable.
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jimanaz
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posted January 15, 2015 06:31 PM
If you carry it, Mike, I'll be glad to give it a field test.
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posted January 15, 2015 07:11 PM
Oh yeah, kinda like my lightweight 16' aluminum tree stand that came with a pack harness.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 15, 2015 07:57 PM
The thread pulled out pics from Jimanaz, very nice!
Yeah, my buddy and I bought two wood ladders which we'll customize.. First, it'll be 5 foot which I feel will still be effective and not as dangerous.. No way I'm falling into cholla!
We'll add primos hunting monopods to help a little.
So many projects, so little time..
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Leonard
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posted January 16, 2015 08:22 AM
Do my old eyes deceive me or did I just see a photo of Dan (the man) in one of the previous?
In any case, wow. First of all that little scooter changes the whole situation, as far as packing a ladder, in the first place. Second, leave it to our boy to take it to extremes - an EIGHT FOOTER?
Third, he claims to hunt alone, but every morning, on the campout, I saw him and Paul driving off and who knows what they were up to?
Fourth, my partner also wears one of those suits and I can't break him of it. Any suggestions?
Thanks for sharing, that really was some effort. Appreciate it.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: made me ill to read somebody question whether ladders were LEGAL, or not!
edit: students, make note of that support stick he is demonstrating in the first pic
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Paul Melching
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posted January 16, 2015 09:00 AM
We were going out to some known productive locations to be skunked like everybody else.
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 16, 2015 09:32 AM
Paul, you need those new secret sounds that I keep hearing about.. If you get them, send them to me! ;-)
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Fur_n_Dirt
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posted January 16, 2015 09:34 AM
In terms of the support stick, we are going to use a trigger activated primos monopod.. they have a support for the monopod they use in tree stands.. thinking of adding it to the ladder..
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