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Topic: What can be done to curb gun violence?
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Leonard
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posted August 08, 2019 10:04 AM
We always have a certain element that is right on the brink. But, would a red flag law lead to abuse by a disgruntled ex wife, or a rude neighbor? But for those people that appear to be one brick short of a load, I personally would not mind restricting their access to dangerous weapons.
But all this clamor about background checks? WTF? Don't we already have background checks? What more can they check? What is checked? Do they check to see if the applicant is a criminal? What is the exact purpose of a background check and is it more extensive than when buying a new car? Will they and can they go back to the 3rd grade when I was drawing pictures of Cowboys and Indians, and what else can they background check anyway?
My point is, they already check my background, so why is the subject always brought up? Are they digging into the "PRIVACY" issues like do i take anti depressants? Or do I order stuff to make my dick hard? How deep do you go with a background check? Do they know about that missed payment?
Anyway, expect to lose more freedom because of the crazies among us. It's only common sense, right?
But, what's the real reason? is it because of the Liberals beating every issue to death? Is it because they are determined to convince everybody that white people are racists? I'm so damned sick of being accused of racism I could spit!
Good hunting. El Bee
[ August 08, 2019, 10:16 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Kokopelli
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posted August 08, 2019 12:41 PM
It started when Personal Responsibility was replaced with the concept that everybody's a victim.
The Red Flag Laws ???? The road to Hell is paved with good intentions...…. Where do we draw the line ??
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Paul Melching
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posted August 09, 2019 04:28 AM
Shall not be infringed , what part is hard to understand ? Our founding fathers were very smart men . All this hand wringing and gun law crap is just that crap ! Planned parenthood (clever name)
killed 800 children today , and who gives a shit ?
I do !
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Semp
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posted August 09, 2019 07:14 AM
The so called Red Flag laws are ripe for abuse. Someone doesn't like me, they drop a dime to the local cops and they come for my coyote rifle (AR15).
The ultimate goal of the left is to confiscate everything that goes bang. They keep chipping away and then, like Mao, Hitler, Stalin, etc. they get all the guns from the citizens. We know what happens then. Cattle cars and death squads.
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Leonard
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posted August 09, 2019 11:19 AM
Yeah, and Venezuela is the most recent, socialist example. The guy before Madero, Hugo something? And, as far as I know, not much, of course, but I think they went the "gold standard" "registration" so they would have the list on which doors to knock on. It wouldn't go over too well to just go door to door and search every house. So, they have a road map on who owns guns and what they own, 2 shotguns, one 9mm, check and check and thank you for being a loyal citizen!
As they say, and it's no bullshit: first they just want to know what you have and they know exactly which doors to knock on. It's amazing that people have been falling for this line forever. Then, Mao murders 50 million citizens, and Stalin apparently murders at least 20 million. Pol pot was a piker, less than 2 million but however they do it, they collect the guns and then you go to the Gulag from which you are executed OR starved to death. All these guys were Liberals, by the way.
So, they think, (the Media) that conservative crackpots are exaggerating in the extreme. Golly, this is America, they couldn't confiscate everybody's deer rifle! Wanna bet? They will confiscate grandpa's pellet gun, the one he uses on the rats in the cellar. can't be too careful, get those replicas too!
The Left won't be happy until they round up every last gun and make it a crime to draw a picture of a gun or chew a cookie into the shape of a gun; that's how fucking stupid they are. Let's face it, if they are Liberal, they have to be stupid and dictatorial, goes with the territory. No dissent allowed!
And, all you racists out there had better watch your step! If you own a gun, you are just a short step away from mass murder! It's common knowledge these days that "conservatives" are white suprematists and racists! It's the BIG LIE. Say it often enough and the riff raff believes it as truth....."oh yeah, I've heard that! Everybody knows it, it has to be true."
Liberals are brain dead! It's a mental illness!"They lie just as effortlessly as Muslims; remember, they don't want Uncle Fred's deer rife. The hell they don't!
Think I'm kidding? just give those cocksuckers an inch! by next week, they will own you left arm! Fight them ruthlessly, or you will lose everything!
Good hunting. El Bee
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TRnCO
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posted August 09, 2019 12:15 PM
Society is breaking down all around us. People losing the ability to communicate face to face. People losing respect for each other and the law of the land. Families not even sitting down and eating a meal together any more so family structure is breaking down. Kids walking around with their noses stuck in the 4" screen in front of their faces and not even aware of their surroundings. Etc, etc. I can tell you it ain't going to get any better.
And God has been removed from just about every where.
One more gun law ain't going to stop any mass shootings. If a killer breaks one law to kill, he sure as hell ain't going to stop because he/she might break 2, or 3, or 4 more gun laws.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 09, 2019 01:06 PM
Hey, while we're passing a gun law to make us safe from mass murderers, let's outlaw drugs and make our children safe from drug pushers !!!!!! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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posted August 09, 2019 05:30 PM
Easy answer. Enforce the existing gun laws.
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Cdog911
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posted August 11, 2019 10:15 AM
I am reminded that many states have already passed laws stating that they will not comply with federal mandates about guns. Many sheriffs have taken that position as well. Fact is, I don't believe that democrats are as willing to take guns as they try to appear. That's like suddenly announcing that we've cured cancer in all its forms. Democrats live another day because of their emotional issues. Without guns, they have little to cry over, little with which to make false promises to their gullible base, and no stomach for what would invariably happen if they were actually stupid enough to try.
MSNBC poll today shows that 75% of respondents are opposed to further gun control laws, despite what the liberals try to tell us about republicans supporting expanded background checks.
Red flag laws are a failure by design. Violates due process. Violates both the second and fourth amendments. If they want to effectively suspend the Constitution, I invite them to try. They will think they're suspending only those parts that serve their agenda. In reality, they'll be suspending the rule of law which means everything is on the table. Purge time. They might want to consider that the ones making the most noise will be the ones at the top of the list when patriots start rooting out the source of the problem.
In the early 80's, farmers took to the highways driving tractors to Washington DC to protest ag policies. Imagine that convoy being 100X bigger, pissed as hell, and heavily armed.
Just what will they use to support a red flag action? I have no diagnosed mental illnesses (yet), but I take an anti-anxiety med every day because it helps with my blood pressure medicine to keep the numbers where they need to be. Red flag laws appear to be the next "my neighbor is dealing drugs". Retribution and vengeance are just a phone call away.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 11, 2019 10:49 AM
Anybody remember how the 1968 Gun Control Act was going to solve all of the problems with firearms ????
Mayhap the problem is not guns but society itself that's to blame ??? What was it Pogo said ????
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Cdog911
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posted August 11, 2019 02:47 PM
I'm speechless at the number of people who attribute the dissension today to Trump and his tweets. This dissension is what is leading to the problems we're now seeing. People of lesser means feel empowered and are now demanding that we listen to them as they pursue the tyranny of the minority. People sure do have short memories.
When Bush 43 was in office, we had some issues, and we had some mass shootings, as well. Not a new concept. People think the first one was Columbine. I'm sure there were many before, but the earliest I recall was when I was in (maybe) 6th or 7th grade. My cousins went to Montezuma High School in Cortez, Colorado, and a student walked into their school with a long gun and began shooting. Not new at all. Had my aunt not showed us the newspaper from Cortez, we would never have known anything about it, because it never made headlines.
Then, along came Obama. First black president. Biggest mistake this country ever made, excluding slavery. This is a man who deliberately stoked dissent and racial discord by fomenting anger in minority groups. He further split the country by constantly working to "community organize" us into small sects based upon why we are different, rather than what brings us together. He willfully and with intent forced tribalism into being - the very thing that keeps shit hole countries in the Third World. He knew that tribalism would carry his philosophical ideologies well beyond the limit of his 8 years as president, and it has. His was the "final solution" to decades of liberal indoctrination of minorities like blacks, following in logical order behind destroying the black family structure and forcing blacks into complete dependence upon the government for every existential need.
Trump is on outlier. Trump is the antithesis to what the "system" has been putting in place since the Civil War. At least, Civil War 1.0.
As long as , "We, the People" are at one another's throats, we won't be at theirs. The worst case scenario for the Washington elite is for all of "We, the People" to unify and come together as one voice. The Second Amendment is the single greatest threat to their power structure, and they know it. Dems want us without guns. Conservatives are acting like our friends in hopes that we will come after them last and, that by then, we will have satiated our blood lust.
We're all being played.
One thing is certain... important decisions should never be made in an environment of high emotion. Feelings have no place or role in making critical decisions. In the wake of these shootings, the LAST thing we should be doing is making decisions about Constitutional rights because the nation's feelings are far too raw, due in large part to deliberate liberal media manipulation. It's when the dust clears that we need to sit down and hold rational, fact- and evidence-based dialogues, and start acting like responsible adults once again. But, for some strange reason, just about the time we get to that point in time, the SHTF again and we're right back where we are now.
As to the original question, "What should we do to curb gun violence?", nothing. Not right now. The data clearly shows that gun violence is down by more than half what it was just a few decades ago, with many more guns in civilian hands, black guns included. The problem isn't the gun, and never has been.
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