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Topic: "Sweet spot" for different cartridges..
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UTcaller
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posted May 10, 2016 10:25 AM
I definitely don't have the experience with a .223 that Vic has that's for sure. Gave up on it a very long time ago. Guess I just didn't have the patience. Way to many runners for me. And to damn slowwwwww.....lol
Good Hunting Chad
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Az-Hunter
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posted May 10, 2016 10:52 AM
Addendum to my post; for many, many years, a .223 was all I had, a wonderfully accurate Ruger #3 carbine, wish I still had it. When my kids got bigger and my wife began working, money was not so tight and that's when I began my gun trading and caliber experimenting.
The last 20 years, all my predator hunting calibers have been sub .223 calibers. Ive had a couple .19 calibers and half a dozen .17s and .22 hornets, the .223 is just to much gun for the way I hunt, to loud, and messy blow ups. I haven't used a .223 for anything in many years now.
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UTcaller
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posted May 10, 2016 02:58 PM
I will say though the .223 does have it's uses. They make a great donor for making .17,.19, and .20 Caliber wildcats. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Good Hunting Chad
edit: And I did kind of like my .223AI when I had it......
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Leonard
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posted May 10, 2016 04:59 PM
See, they can't be convinced because they keep saying, "Hey, I killed X # of coyotes with a 223. These guys gravitating to subcalibers, it's a certain segment, some kind of left brain stuff I don't understand.
I know that a 22-250 Ackley kills much better under all circumstances and conditions. Case closed.
Good hunting. El Bee
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R.Shaw
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posted May 10, 2016 08:38 PM
Late February, I met a friend I hunt with a lot northwest of Gillette for a hunt and he had brought along a friend of his named Dan. That night while we were just sitting around, I asked Dan what he was shooting and he replied 223. He was not happy and a little pissed when I told him to be prepared for spinners and runners.
Mid afternoon the next day a coyote comes in and stops about 225 yards away. I tell Dan to shoot it and the coyote drops. He turns to me with a confident,shit-eating grin and cockily says...that ain't no spinner. Having not taken my eyes off the coyote, I see it jump up and take off running like a bastard. I turn to him and say...nope, this one's a runner. They finally get it killed going down a gully and it was still going.
BTW...Those Wyoming coyotes are some of the toughest I have ever had to call.
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Lone Howl
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posted May 10, 2016 08:50 PM
.223 should not be used for coyote hunting...ever.
Im locking this thread!
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Lone Howl
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posted May 10, 2016 08:52 PM
Ok, ok...this thread is unlocked..carry on.
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Leonard
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posted May 10, 2016 09:18 PM
That's funny.
My experience with 223 was short and kinda shocking. I couldn't believe well hit coyotes would do so much fussing, none were over 100 yards. Of course, it wasn't exactly fair. I was using (actually recycling) bullets that my Swift didn't like. And, this was in my trusty AR15, I don't even know the twist but it's an original Colt A1, now a safe queen, way in the back.
I had no desire to work it out, I had seen enough. It sure as hell didn't kill like my Swift. So, why would somebody use a cartridge that won't kill like a Swift? CASE CLOSED
I'm locking this!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted May 11, 2016 09:08 AM
Randy, when I read your post, I could hear you in my head, delivering that "nope, you've got a runner" line...
Thanks for the belly laugh!!!
P.S.
I agree with Chad.
.223Rem is GREAT. Just neck it down (or UP), and you'll have something fun to mess with. Just picked up another 1K surplus, prepped LC brass for dirt cheap. Can't beat .223 based cartridges for economy & convenience...
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TOM64
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posted May 11, 2016 09:14 AM
I guess they are a little dangerous with those bullets bouncing off of everything...
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Leonard
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posted May 11, 2016 10:13 AM
So Tom. Your position is, what? 223 is "good enough"? Kills every bit as good as those 22-250 Ackley's? And, doesn't ruin fur? Is just right for the size of the game we hunt? Excellent economy, save on powder, lots of surplus brass! You are a minimalist, why use overkill? All of the above?
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TOM64
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posted May 11, 2016 11:55 AM
While my 22-250AI is the bomb if I want to reach way across yonder to kill a coyote, a call gives me the option of getting my shots under 100 yards and most under 50. So the 223 is adequate for my uses.
I hate contests and don't do animal control. Heck I think I only went out 3 times this year and killed a half a dozen. Started my marathon training in January instead of hunting so my opinion doesn't really make much difference. I just don't think the average caller needs more but you know, everyone's gotta kill em at 300 yards... Like Cronk said, learn to call and you won't need a cannon.
I did sell the 243 AI due to overkill.
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Lone Howl
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posted May 11, 2016 12:06 PM
Huh? Marathon? Im interested, please explain.
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TOM64
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posted May 11, 2016 01:32 PM
Daughter wanted to run a full marathon while she was still young enough to do it and wanted me to train with her. We started training in January for the April 24th OKC memorial and frankly it scared me a little. Once we made our 20 mile training run I was confident we could do it and we did.
But it consumed our lives and I'm glad to be done but she's looking for a fall marathon so we can try for a better time... I never learn.
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TOM64
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posted May 11, 2016 03:21 PM
Before
After and yes she's crying.
I just got my CS24 caller ugraded and back yesterday. My plan is to play catch up on the coyotes ASAP!
I was also gonna say, the last runner I witnessed was from a 17 Rem back around the first of the year. The one before that was with my 22-250AI last year so go figure.
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Lone Howl
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posted May 11, 2016 04:05 PM
My hats off to you 2! Awsome.
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DAA
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posted May 11, 2016 04:26 PM
Hell... I'm a pretty decent walker. I consider walking 26 miles non-stop a shit sandwich.
I'm in awe...
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Az-Hunter
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posted May 11, 2016 04:32 PM
Long ago; I spent a short weekend hunting with a gent toting a 6mm Remington. If I based my opinion of the 6mm killing coyotes, within the constraints of that short time frame, I would proclaim to the world, that the 6mm was a very poor performer on coyotes, maybe fine deer medicine, but just not the ticket for our desert coyotes, to many runners and blow ups for my taste.
Of course, the 6mm is fine for coyotes. If I tagged along with the guy using it for a dozen different weekends, and witnessed several dozen coyotes shot, Im sure I'd be a believer in the 6mm for coyotes, but based on what I saw, in that short time span, I would swear it sucked for coyotes.
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posted May 11, 2016 04:33 PM
So Shaw posts he was hunting near Gillette. Funny, I live near Gillette and take care of the north end of the county. You would think he'd call a guy for a beer or something. And by the way, I took Dave north of Gillette and we called coyotes with great ease! Seriously, you'd think a guy might call, or e-mail. Or maybe he heard about the grouchy old county trapper?
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UTcaller
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posted May 11, 2016 05:20 PM
I am just basing my experience with the .223 from one full season using one. I know that's not alot of time vested in using it. But What I saw I did not like. That's all... No scientific evidence based on the Cartridge. Just saw time and time again, spinners, runners, flipping and flopping, more than I care to deal with. Never seem to have that problem with my .204 Rugers, .17 Tactical, .22-250 or my .22-250 Ackley.
Then I start hearing the same results by some here too.
But for the guys that swear by them I will keep my eye out for any good deals on them I can pass on to you.
Good Hunting Chad
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Frank
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posted May 11, 2016 06:54 PM
AZ-Hunter, my guess is you don't hunt at night and you are probly a good shot. You know dammed well a .22 in the head is lethal but you get some range going along with a bad shot and it's not hard to imagine runners....especially with newbies. No doubt I've seen bang-flops with a .223 but not so often at the longer ranges....I'll say often enough to notice.
Look, not everyone is a good shot like you might be. All things equal, velocity gives you more range and room for error........... physics don't lie.
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R.Shaw
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posted May 11, 2016 07:53 PM
Cal....I was pretty close to you but to the southeast. Got a little confused with my directions. Moorecroft is near where we were hunting.
I am not one to impose or force myself into a situation, but if you are serious send me your contact email or something. I will come for a visit with notepad and pencil in hand. Seriously. arshaw@actcom.net
We hunted from Riverton to Rawlins and to Rock Springs. Private, public, and reservation. October thru most of December it was business as usual, but January thru February it was tough as hell. At least for us.
Oh...and 2 days after returning home, Dan made the contacts to have a custom 22/243 ai built. Quick learner.
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posted May 12, 2016 03:21 AM
I will send you my contact stuff Shaw. And I was just razzing you about the calling. By January in this country it's done. Too many callers, too many contests, just like every where else. I do all my calling this time of year with dogs. Winter time is for hot coffee and trapping. It's cold out.
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Leonard
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posted May 12, 2016 08:21 AM
First of all, Vic is turning the screws on me. That was my 6mm that failed for some unknown reason, but I will not judge by a single event. That's that same gun with which I killed everything I saw, one shot, in South Africa, including the elk size Kudu and a few jackals.
Anyway, if Shaw is meeting my Wyoming hero I want in, as he stills owes me one; shaw does. Forget the January stuff though, I've been there, done that! But, the cats are nice
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted May 12, 2016 04:02 PM
Back in the mid eighties I spent a summer in Greenland doing a seismic survey. During my stint as a dynamite shooter (50# per shot hole)I had a helper from the local village that was a hunter for the village. He used a Sako in .222 Remington for everything ie. musk-ox,fox,bears,hares, seals.During my travels in arctic Alaska it was unusual to see any rifles larger than a .243.
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